Chevy 454 Vs. Ford 460 Throwdown - Horsepower S13, E13
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- Опубліковано 19 сер 2019
- On this episode of Horsepower, it's Chevy vs. Ford in a horsepower battle of the big blocks!
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Cometic Gasket, Inc.: Head gaskets, Intake gaskets, Valve cover gaskets, Timing cover gasket, Water outlet, Water pump, Oil Pan gasket.
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Comp Cams: Valve spring set, Titanium retainers, Spring seats.
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Eagle Specialty Products: Forged steel crankshaft and connecting rods.
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Holley: 750 cfm Mechanical Secondary four barrel carburetor.
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Lunati: 3/8" Pushrods (8) 8.60, (8) 9.70
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Lunati: Street Strip Solid Roller Cam - Chevrolet Big Block Advertised Duration (Int/Exh): 287/295Duration @ .050 (Int/Exh): 256/264Gross Valve Lift (Int/Exh): .660/.660LSA/ICL: 110/104Valve Lash (Int/Exh): .022/.024RPM Range: 3000-7000., Vertical Bar Roller Lifters - BBC +0.300 Qty 16. Full Roller Timing Set w/Torrington - Chevrolet 396-454 9 keyway. Roller Thrust Button.
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Racing Head Service: Pro Action 24" Big Block Chevy Cylinder Head; Cast Iron Or Aluminum; Bare Or Fully Assembled; Hydraulic Roller & Mechanical Roller Assemblies Available; Angle Plug.
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Summit Racing: Melling high volume oil pump
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Trans-Dapt: Street Performance Oil Pan for Big Block Chevy includes oil pump pickup.
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World Products: MERLIN manifold, 4150 flange, 9.800" deck.
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Bar's Products Inc.: Bar's Leaks Head Gasket Repair.
Design Engineering, Inc. (DEI): Titanium Wrap with LR Technology, Stainless Steel Locking Ties, HT Silicone Coating.
Huntsville Engine and Performance: align hone block and install new bearings and rings
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PowerNation that’s a totally a in fair comparison. You used two totally different cams and you used a better crank, rod, and piston setup on the Chevy. I think you should use the same exact heads on both same valves same piston and so forth.
Love the channel. Chevy LS guy all the way but I love anything that makes good power!
My dream is to turbo and 4L80 swap my 2003 Envoy 5.3, while keeping it a sleeper.
I've got an 83 gmc c1500 that is getting either a Ford 289 or a 340 mopar. Got nothing against chevy motors, but I want something different, plus those are the two engines I have laying around.
@@JadXtreme Same. I don't discriminate. Too much good stuff to be stuck on a single platform.
LMAO, whenever I watch Joe install a cam I anticipate the cam bearing being smashed to bits and he never disappoints.
Watching the guy hamfist jam that cam into the bearings made me wince.
5:05 Made me want to cry... I’d be sweatier than the head of the Bomb Squad, treating those bearings as careful as a nuke.. lmao!
I’m a Chevy guy with a big block Chevelle in the garage but feel they didn’t massage the 460 like they did the 454. The Ford had more they could’ve gotten out of it.
sokodad Totally agree! I’m a car guy. I love both but they did show Chevy a little more love. That 460 has more but they didn’t really push it
I’ve been a 429/460 guy for years and that made me cringe when he said they basically did the same to both. However, the whole reason I switched to the 460 was those big canted valves and large ports. I told my Chevy guy friends, “it’s the only bb Ford that comes close in design to that killer bb Chevy that you guys got!” Lunati also has a great 6000+ cam for the Ford, but still it was good to see them both built (except for the cam install... yikes).
Diesel And Dust lol I know right beat it to death
Nice car sokodad, personally I like the 400 small block in a chevelle. Just because I like the lighter front end weight. What can I say, I put a 300ci six banger in my 82 mustang, mainly because I was too cheap to buy a complete new front end. It came from the factory with a 200ci six banger, sticking with a six banger was way easier than changing to a 5.0L. ahahaha
They didn't even try with the Ford. You can get 780hp out of the Ford stroked to 532 for $9k total, including the cost of the junkyard engine.
I’m a Mopar guy but I feel the 454 got a little more love than the 460.
OK, MOPAR guy---You know what MOPAR stands for? I'll bet NOT.
Don Johnson It did though. 320 com heads compared to 290s? Also race spec pistons rods, cam, pushrods, lifters, springs? THe 460 got street heads and a polished crank 😬😂
Gm always wins out of favoritism
@@donjohnson8627 MOtor PARts. Dunno why, my slant six is at 400k miles without ever being taken apart and runs just fine
@@fordmanx3 until you hook it to one of their transmissions
I like how the Ford's "high performance build" is heads, intake and a cam while the Chevy's "high performance build" is a complete top to bottom build from a bare block with aftermarket parts.
Don’t forget ford had more torque 👍🏽💪🏽
The bottom end doesnt matter.
@@poncoolride friction/parasitic loss, balancing, ability to withstand power. Yes, the bottom end matters.
@Alpha Wërks The Ford is TOO expensive... you may want to reconsider using the term "dumbass" the next time you make a comment.
@@alejandroflores-samaniego9320 don't forget Ford has more cubic inches.
Come on you guys!!! You gave the Chevy 454 much more love with those parts! We know where your loyalty ls.
@@bigboreracing356 Then please tell me all about the trick flow top end kit, minus the racing heads, KV raised doom pistons, Eagle Rods, ESP balanced crank, HP valve train & top end kit. What did the 460 get? We don't know, do we.
@@bigboreracing356 WOW you really know your stuff Stretch. Now I know what your first comment means. Good observation sir. You must have known some peeps that used that junk huh? Thanks for the comment, I am impressed with you knowledge sir. Cheers from Motown! Oh, where do you race out of Stretch?
I'm not a Ford or a Chevy guy, but I can tell which way these guys are biased. One side got a lot more attention than the other.
No s--t!
@@JT-yz4rj you sound confused. Ford didn't make the IROC-Z Camaro, tell your mullet wearing cousin he ain't impressing your sister with those leaky T-Tops.
@@JT-yz4rj the IROC-Z, C4 corvette, 90s camaros/trans-ams, none of that junk was first in anything other than signaling the king of the trailer park lmao.
@@JT-yz4rj let me guess...is it the one that took that Government bailout in the early 00s? Tell me...what was the only American car manufacturer that didn't take your tax payer dollars to stay afloat?
I'll give you a hint...they didn't make the IROC-Z Camaro lmao.
JT 5150 - ThE sIlvEraDo iS thE saMe garbage As tHe sIErRa. You gotta love when these garbage motors loving hicks have to combine sales from two trucks to BARELY edge out ONE F-150! Truth is best selling trucks for over 40 years are the F-series boomer!
The thing I can immediately see is that the Chevy has a cylinder head advantage. They didn't mention camshaft profiles, so I don't know about that. This is anything but an apples to apples comparison. John Kasse did a comparison build and the Ford came out well ahead of the Chevy.
Yes he did and he proved when its apples for apples the Ford has more HP and Torque.
Your choice in cylinder heads automatically favored the Chevrolet
Those were shit heads for BBC, AFR 265 or 300cc would outperform them all around and get the torque advantage back
No it didn't. The heads for the Chevy were really too big for what they were doing with it. It would have been better off with similar heads to what the Ford had.
No one wants to talk about the ford head choice and how those hamstringed the ford combo to keep it close
THey were too big for the chevy..the fords 290 was more correct
PowerNation, we'll take this 200,000 mile 1.9 out of a 88 escort and put it against a blown 454 to see who’s the king on the Dyno.
LOL
AWESOME !!! That's about right ….LOL
Bahahahaha
Woah dont do that that might fair you better pull two plugs out of that 1.9 would hate to have an upset.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
That's the show exactly LOL.
The 454 definitely got some extra love over the 460. The Ford carried more torque, even with the smaller heads.
I have 225 value in my 460 scj heads
Lmao, All things considered that 460 whipped that 454s ass.
In a demolition derby the Ford will lose
The same way it has in my derby car
That's why I use Chevy engine in
My Ford crown Victoria
Is there anything more painful than watching these guys bang a cam around as they put it into the block?
pdbnc shut the fuck up lmao thats how it is when you don’t use a tool to hold the cam
Looked dry af,too
Am I the only engine builder who puts the cam in before the crank so I can guide it in through the bearings without damaging them?
Logan Shuler he did use a cam tool to beat the bearings out of the block. Why are you so butthurt?
I know man, that sound made my butt clench.
I was gonna mention all the extra parts and upgraded parts that the 460 didn’t get but I see the comments already cover that! As long as it’s American I’m cool with either but make it fair, the ford should have gotten everything the Chevy did
Powernation: no comment.
Casey West yeah, they can't do that, then the Ford might win, and god knows we can't have that. They did a "budget build-off" between an ls3 and a coyote- got all kinds of aftermarket parts for the ls- bigger cam, higher compression pistons, etc, when for the coyote they took out the mustang's forged crank and replaced it with a cast crank from a truck block, swapped out the mustang cams and swapped them for the truck cams and then called the ls the winner. They literally built the coyote to make less hp than it did stock out of the mustang it originally came out of. Wtf kind of joke is that, you call that an equal comparison? Give me a fkn break. Build a 454 and a 460 with evenly matched parts and do the same with an ls3 and a coyote and see what happens (btw I'm not a Ford guy, but if you're going to do a comparison between built motors, build them similarly so we can see what is actually capable of what).
@@TheMattc999 Same, It's a shame. I love to watch these guys too.
Casey West the parts either don’t exist or are to expensive for the budget is why. Because not enough ford people spend money on speed parts supply and demand has made it so a lot of companies don’t even sell ford speed parts or if they do they are way more expensive.
Amen
For this budget 460 we used the cheapest parts and pistons we could find. This 454 we used aluminum pistons lol😂
So Ford gets a set of Heads and a Cam, turning 600 hp.
Chevy, a whole set of upgrades, Heads, Cam, Crank, Pistons............who's sponsoring this Video?
CHEVY!
not even close, i was hoping for a even comparison, you guys stacked the deck, i do not care which won, i was looking forward to a even playing field, didn't come close. Engine Masters did this with very close results and they did it with the same parts on each engine.
Just once I would like a 100% even build...
At a local car show, years ago, there was a GM guy running his mouth about how the "tree fitty" chevy engine was the best thing ever created by man, and how the 302 Ford sucked. I happened to have my little Mustang II there, with a temperary 302 in it, that I had thrown together using some mix matched parts I'd had laying around. I cut the valve reliefs in some shitty badger pistons using an old valve that I'd cut a slot in, and brazed a cutting edge into, then used a hand drill with it to "machine" the reliefs. lol I didn't balance anything, I just threw it together with some new bearings, polished the journals with cloth, etc. CC solid lifter cam, 351W ported heads, performer intake, 600 holley, done. I lovingly referred to it as my grenade engine, and I would frequently tach it to 7500 rpm on a daily basis.
So I told the guy at the show, let's get in our cars, put it in neutral, and hold the tach at 7500 for 2 mins and see if they hold together. He said no fuckin way would I do that. So I got in my car and did it anyway, smiling at him the whole time. After 2 mins, I let it idle again, the motor was fine, still had 60 psi oil pressure, no issues. The Chevy guy had nothing to say, he just turned and walked off. Stock rods, crank, shitty hand cut pistons, etc, lol and it worked great. I ended up running that grenade 302 for 3 years until I got around to building the new race engine for it. I would challenge anyone with a stock 2-bolt 350 shortblock to give it a shot and see how it holds together at 7500 in neutral for 2 minutes. lol
@@AmericanThunder my guy!
CHEVY KICKS FORD ASS AGAIN***** LMAO U FORD LOVER!
@@AmericanThunder - - To be fair you'd need the 302 Chevy with its 3 inch stroke and rods made back in the '60's when America had pride, and top it off with 350 "truck" heads from the '70's with their large 76CC chambers and small valves. . . THAT would hold up at 7,500 and be limited just by valve float.
@@peterdarr383 I was using a 302 block that was a 1983 that had a one-piece rear seal and no provision for an oil Slinger on the back of the crank so I used the hand grinder and removed the oil Slinger that was on the 1978 cast crankshaft, stock Rods, stock bolts shit Pistons.. a 302 Chevy I would imagine would have forged internals because it was a Performance Engine. Plus the guy at the car show was bragging about 350s and how they'll never come apart at high RPM and how much better they are than a 302 Ford. I'm running a 332 stroker in the car now and I shift at 8800, while the internals are certainly forged the block is still stock 1975 2 bolt Main holding up with 530 horsepower they're a good little engine
These guys are clear chevy guys, they did more for the 454
Yeah but it only made 11 more up than the mild 460 build.
For it to be equal, install a eagle rotating kit in the Ford also with the same specs as the Chevy had installed, then see what happens
What will happen?
I'd take the Ford over the Chevy based on that dyno curve. Low end HP and torque are way better than the Chevy
The only thing that's remotely close as far as an even build with these engines, is the fact they used that same Holley 1000cfm.
That was the ruse. To make it seem they were being ultra fair. This comparison is a joke.
@@LanceisLawson I'm with you, a joke!
And banged up cam bearings of course
You guys Don't know anything about engine building do you? The bigger combustion chamber on the heads for the Chevy lowers compression ratio which lowers horse power. That's the reason Mopar guys would put 318 heads on their 360.
@@geauxtigers2911 Domed pistons in the chevy to make up the difference
Funny how he installs the cam all crazy like, but cleans the pushrods. Hahaha
This comparison is ridiculous, you built a Chevy mild race engine, compared to a street Ford engine... Give me a break
Because a crankshaft adds power 🤦🏼♂️ idiot
@@glastornjet73 Not the crank... but the bigger ports will make a huuuge difference.
dre04mach the rpm they are turning it no they wont
@@glastornjet73 if they stopped the pull 400-500 rpm sooner, they would have made the same or less with the chevy... With a better flowing head.
@@bigboreracing356 it's not the idea of these being only 20hp more or less, it's what they used on the Ford vs. the Chevy and try to say it was a fair comparison, how about make it fair with the parts then show how much more powerful the big Ford is compared to their charming little Chevy
I understand the reasoning behind swapping pistons in the 454 to get the compression to match the 460. Seems the Ford has already won since everyone claims they're so expensive to build yet will hold more power on stock components. I like both engines but clearly the Ford was cheaper and only behind by 21hp.
They used a cylinder head on the 454 that had 320cc intake runners. The 460 had 290cc intake runners. Had they been equal the Ford would have made more hp. They used the stock ultra heavy crank for the Ford. They bought a high dollar lighter weight crank for the Chevrolet.
Got to restrict a Ford motor to keep the Chevrolets competitive.
Been drag racing or either had a street car for almost 30 years. Got to spend more money on a Chevrolet to get the same power as a Ford. The Chevrolet LS has drsstically improved on that problem, but older sbc vs. sbf, or bbc vs. bbf, Ford makes more power per dollar in a big way.
Ive always found the opposite....Chevys were cheap power. but part for part the Ford put out more.....Ford parts always cost more than the same for a Chevy
@@BamaShinesDistillery Chevrolet parts are generally cheaper, but Chevrolets require far more parts. This is especially true when it comes to comparing sbf vs. sbc. The sbf cylinder heads have far more efficient designs. 20 degree valve angle vs. 23 degree for the sbc. The sbf combustion chambers have better quench design vs. the sbc. The sbf 351 cleveland head is FAR superior to the sbc with 10 degree valve angles. My 351 cleveland 4 barrel heads flowed almost 300 cfm through the intake at .500 lift. A refurbished pair would cost around $1200 complete with quality valves and other hardward. There is no stock sbc head that even comes close, and the aftermarket sbc equivalent would cost well over $2000, and at least another $500 for the intake since a conventional most likely would not work.
@@dukelps9132 that's funny, I am right in the middle of rebuilding a Cleveland Cobra jet. But the Cleveland was a one-off, you would have to compare a small block Chevy to a 351 Windsor. Cleveland are not all that common today and Windsor's are everywhere
@@BamaShinesDistillery even the windsor cylinder heads are better than the lower end aftermarket sbc heads. The 20 degree valve angle is a decent advantage over the typical 23 degree sbc heads.
The only slight problem with production windsor heads is the exhaust port. However, any amateur with a Harbor Freight die grinder can watch a couple of UA-cam videos and fix that problem in a couple of hours. Or, just buy a cheap pair of aluminum heads and install good hardware. You might have a few hundred more than the equivalent sbc heads but the sbf heads will be far more efficient at making power. The sbc guy would have to buy a $2000+ pair of heads to be better.
@@dukelps9132 as I said, the Ford parts cost more. But cubic inch for cubic inch, the Ford is typically better. Take the Coyote vs the 5.3. That 5.0 kills is but cost alot to build
I'll be 70 in August, and only went through auto shop in high school. I did end up overhauling my high school car, a 54' Chevy with a 235 six cylinder after I had graduated. Added a home, butchered up, split exhaust with an Offenhauser, which changed it to a 2 carburetor setup. Eventually bought a used 70', 428 Cobra Jet, Mustang, that broke an intake valve, which totally destroyed the motor. I had to swap that out with a used 390, which allowed me to save money by reusing some of the 428 parts. I eventually got a 76' Pinto which needed an overhaul, the cam was wore out. That engine was the most fun to work on, and turned out great. The last was my 79' F150 with an automatic. What I liked about all of those engines, they had carburetors and distributors. They were just more fun to work with and easier for me. Thanks for keeping that type of engine alive.
Thank you ALL for saving me 18 min of my time !!!
the 460 had dished pistons and the 454 had pop ups like the Chevy had way better parts. i have a built 460 with flat tops and trick flow heads and it has just a few better parts than the 454 and it makes 700.
And there was a near 40cc difference in combustion chamber volume. Your point?
Yup. This channel is all about advertising oil. They literally do not give a flying fuck about us, they don't understand us, they just make a video that we will hate and give it a title we can't resist and KACHING!!! It's all about views. I dunno about you but I'm NEVER coming back. They aren't just arseholes, they aren't just deceitful arseholes, they're INCOMPETENT deceitful arseholes. That's the trifecta. Peace out.
@@Not_Sure_81 differences in the pistons between the two mean that they had the same compression ratio though. The chevy heads flowed way better in this comparison though.
#chevycheaters
Errrr, a dish top piston is possible higher comp than a flat top which will be further down the hole+ less comp. That is the case on many engines. It is the whole package. And those lumpy pistons may well put the fire out! A smaller chamber with a tall flat top is better, even with the valve reliefs, on one side only.
Had to give the 454 better heads better cam and a full rotating Assembly to make 30 more horsepower 😆
Kenneth Brown, the dyno results were Ford: 609 and Chevy: 622.5 which is actually only 13.5hp difference 😉
Seeing your comments a year later lol
I just want to thank for the great editing, i hate these YT channels with poor audio leveling, thanks!
The 454 got a Soild roller cam while the 460 got a Hydraulic roller cam that's why the 454 made more Horsepower.
While the test is definitely biased, you're wrong in saying the Ford got a hydraulic roller cam. Listen at 0:37
Solid roller vs hydraulic roller is irrelevant at this level. If one had a .750 lift solid and the other had a .600 lift hydraulic, you'd have a point, but solid vs hydraulic at this level makes no difference. It just means the guy with the hydraulic has less to work on.
@@bigboreracing356 yeah, and they whine about the domed pistons on the BBC and the crank and rods. Like they made any more power. The compression ratio was the same. Ford had a smaller chamber, didn't need the dome.
And the BBC didn't need the crank or rods at that power level. The stock stuff would have held up just fine.
This entire program has turned into the equivalent of an infomercial.
Did you sell enough product?
How can you call this a fair comparison when the heads that you used on the Chevy were MUCH better than the heads you installed on the Ford plus all the other stuff you did to the Chevy that the Ford didn't get
Because the parts are insanely expensive or don’t exist for a 460.
@Chris J is that all you know how to say? Grow the fuck up.
@@nealedmondson3191 lol mad much?
@shekels steinbergmancohenski No they weren't. The Ford 460 was used in all three divisions of Ford where the 454 was only used at Chevrolet. Most people that bought BB GM engines got them in olds, Pontiac, and Buick which was the 455. Almost every Lincoln had a 460 all thru the 70s and every Grand Marquis as well as big trucks. Now the 455 sold very well but most people that bought Chevies bought the small block 350. Now when GM bought Mercruiser, that's when the sale of the 502 BB took off in sales but this was in the 80s and 90s.
I own 21 classic cars and I have NO Favorite Brand......I am car Lover and mostly Muscle cars from my T birds to Corvette, Lincolns to Chevelle , Barracuda to Pontiac Catalina... But the Bias in the Engine Build was SO Blatant I am confused was this a TRUE test of Fairness or Some one who THINKS it was TRUE but has a Chevrolet Tatoo on their arm Because I am confused,
From the Heads alone (wow really Fair???) to the Intake, the Pistons where NO where NEAR EVEN if those who dont know about engine Building and why you Build a certain way for different applications & I dont mean TV show Builds.... "I mean REAL World & Drag Or Track ......I have built and hold a few records for Motors ON land and Water and I was Confused at why the Favoritism leaned so hard in one direction when you are claiming this is an even Comparison?!?!
This misleading & confusing narrative right here is why you get Fanatical Owners of 1 Brand or Another Screaming or Hating on others Because you are skewing the Facts in 1 Brand or the others Favor & Sadly it hurts All True Purist Car Guys Like Myself!! IF YOU CANT DO IT 100% FAIRLY, THEN PLEASE DO NOT DO IT AT ALL !!!!!! Cow}:-o)
This is why I quit watching their TV show a long time ago.
Elmore has bowties tattooed on the inside of hi eyelids…
All those mods fully built big block and only beat the ford by 20HP 😂😂
Chevy lost the moment the crank was changed. Another note. The chevy head had more flow. . I dont think this comparison was entirely fair!
Yep. Larger runners, bigger valves, solid roller cam vs hydraulic roller. Even with that, the 460 still made more torque.
Better flowing heads make more power? What a revelation.
The 460 got brand new crank, pistons. cam, heads, 1000 cmf carb, intake. ect new on the rebuild. Yes Chevy parts are shinier. Lol. Not sure what the issue is.
Lost? Put them both in identical cars and the Chevy will win.
@@moxiemus788 how do you know? 🤔 They did not give cam specs, heads ect. Or flow #'s. Take the loss. It is what it is.
@@nvkblankenship 460 had a stock repolished crank. He even stated, that it's good to 700hp - BBC crank is only good to 500hp. 5:25 for larger port runner and valves. Not trying to be combative, but it's a pretty clear advantage. Better sponsor parts maybe?
21 more hp with bigger heads, more aggressive cam, better pistons and rods, and a balanced rotating assembly.
Chevy needs all that to make 21 more hp.
why can't you guys do everything the same.
o yeah and Chevy needs a new crank to hold more hp
@@nickfoy5413 not anymore due to cnc machining if you add in the cost of replacing the stock cast 454 crank ford and dodge might even be cheaper plus they can go WAY bigger with a stroker
you mad lmao ford sucks
Ronald Atwell Chevy made 30+ more stock what’s the excuse there ?
@@hunter23453 Pretty equal budgets for building these two engines, actually. That's why the chevy got more stuff...big block chevy's are way cheaper to build.
@@kyboy5 I disagree, ever see a 454 pull or even stand a chance against a 12v Cummins? Ford 460 has.
that 460 will out torque the 454 all day long... of course, as others stated, this isn't an even build, the Chevy got all sorts of bonus parts that the Ford didn't.
jestucker shouts out to ford guys 👍🏿
454 ls6 makes 500lb of torque i have yet to see a gas ford beat that even by modern standards
@@zerotwo6409 You are as the first word in your username states.
Aidan Morris is that supposed to be an insult
THANKS for the info! I've built a lot of 283,327,350and 427,454 Chevy motors. I've also done 289,302 and 351 Cleveland motors.FUN!
Sounds like your paycheck is paid by chevy
As always.
Jack Cann lmao. Not saying Ford is bad but it's not better than chevy.
Nope. Chevy just makes more power. Always has.
Tywon Allen everyone knows 460s kick the shit out of 454s stock for stock
@@35RSkyline Uhhh no....Ford always pull more power per CI than chevy....just look at the 5.0 and 5.3 today.....The 50 is putting out almost as much as the 6.2
@4:17 Plasti-gauge is supposed to be used across the rod/main journals, not around the journal. Nice job guys. 🤓
i didn't even notice that. at 2:38 you can see they did it right on the mains. wonder why they did not on the rods.
Well, they got it right in one place and wrong in another.....I'm thinking that these guys are NOT even close to being competent mechanics-----just POSERS!
The only way to use plastigauge is in the trash.
I love the good ole 460
I've had both engines before and there both good engines but honestly i know the ford will be more durable in the long run.
Making sure that the chevy does more. Damn, can't anyone be fair????????? NO
chevy made more stock also
Obviously without seeing the dyno run the heads and pistons are going to make more power on the GM engine. Why even make this a vs lol.
Apparently he wasn't paying attention. They said the comp ratio was going to be almost the same. And it's amazing he could tell it was going to make 11 more whole hp. 🙄
@@wadewright3556 No, it didn't. Is English your second language? He gave you the flow of the head. The Ford head chosen flows about 60 cfm less than the Ford. The bottom end was much nicer on the chevy build as well.
Not sure....
@@wadewright3556 thats right ford gives head better LOL
Let's take a MOPAR 440 LA and try this. Guess who'll win everytime? Source: Hughes Engines and my 12 meter Airstream Motor Coach. 510 HP and 580 ft/lbs @ 3500 RPM.
Love your vids. I have a 283, 454, and a 428 on the stands now. Father passed and I am carrying on the tradition of keeping the classics running. Ya'll be good and have fun.
Bars leaks. I remember using that on an '89 GMC pickup that had a cylinder head passing coolant. Worked great at sealing that leak AND plugged my heater core up so I had no heat in the winter. I hope that issue has been addressed in the new formulation.
Its a damper...... NOT a Dampener, unless it makes you wet
Tomato, Tamoto
Um, "dampen" means to reduce vibration, not, "damp", so, even though I would never ever let these guys touch motors or especially install a cam of mine, "dampener" is correct for anything that "dampens" vibrations.
dodge makes me wet,but dont tell the missus.
Gee let's give the ford heads that flow 290 , and the chevy heads that flow 320 and call it a chevy win. Just once the playing field should be even.
The Chevy heads didn't flow 320, the intake ports are 320cc. Pretty common size for those Chineese heads they used.
@@WVXL64 on top of the fact that they both used the same carb.
Ford Man here: All things being equal, the engines should make near identical horsepower. If you factor in cost $$ then the Chevy will win simply because there are more parts available at a cheaper price.
Snow Crest chevy man here, why do i agree with you, i’m not supposed too 😳. oh wait because this build wasn’t fair
This was a street engine vs a race engine and even then all the bowtie could claim was slightly more hp. That was a slightly cheaper build than I would put in my 76f250 and it's just a my work horse to compare side by side is sickening. Chevy has cheaper go fast parts and you get what you pay for . However that 460 has so much left on the table and has limits that the 454 could never dream of touching without being a complete Frankenstein engine. (Talking about bore and bottom end capability)
Good one you got me for about a half a second stick a fork in the bottom I was thinking what LOL
Don't worry ... Mopar is coming up in a future episode. ( heads over to Nick's Garage) 😂😄
Dino Jay nothing to see there either
@@DL-dj9mn 😂😂😂😂😂 ... Cheeky bugger!👍
Didn’t even build them equally and the 460 still almost came out on top
Just a equal cam and the Ford would have stepped out in front! A juice cam will never match a solid!
They both got solid cams they even said that.
what was your breakin procedure for these motors before loading them up on the dyno?
That 460 was damn impressive. If they spent more tuning time it would smoke the 454.
Put the identical list of aftermarket RACING PARTS the chevy got in the 460. Balance the crank and increase head flow and the 460 smokes the chevy every time by at least 75 horse. I had a 79 F150 shortbox 4×4 with a 460. Put in a crane 268 cam' forged hi comp pistons ' bored it .030 over and put on a edelbrock performer intake and holley 780 dual feed carb with 3 inch hooker headers and she made 500 horse. The build the chevy got if put into thr ford would push the 460 to at leadt 700 and the ford blocks a lot stouter even with 2 bolt mains.
That's what they were afraid of 🙄
You're bragging about a motor that has more cubic inches????
@@jamesscimone1447 I know.🤣
@@gaddyify so your saying the Chevy got more love because it has 6 cubes less than the Chevy?
Love how the chevy engine had some advantages thrown to it. Then it only beat the ford by 11hp. That's funny.
Rick Reid seems like they always do that
Chevy will always beat ford look at the Ls...fords truck motors are unheard of
@@anthonykoch3410 per cubic inch, the mustang GT makes more power than the Camaro. The 5.0 puts out 460hp. The 6.2L in the Camaro puts out 455hp. The Camaro makes 1.2hp per cubic inch. The mustang makes 1.5hp per cubic inch. Chevy doesn't always win. Do some research
@@anthonykoch3410 moron alert.
@@tynstaci voodoo is even better 525
Should have added the Mopar 440 to the mix
@@Welcometofacsistube you wont be .
Hal 1000 it was wouldn’t at all buddy, keep your cute little names to yourself unless you know actual facts ☺️
@@charlesangell_bulmtl yeah, that is quite a peaky tq curve for a 460, usually they are flat enough to eat off of.
Just realized it also had a single plane intake...
@@justinriley8651 yeah he would
Mopar bb solid roller cam conversion = $$$$$$$$$$
My favorite head gaskets we’re typically solid copper with a groove cut in the block and heads for copper wire to really seal it all!
👍That Barr's fix leak does work. I used on my Honda CRV
I’ve been watching that older fellow on this show for decades and he’s always been a bit partial to GM...not surprising that the 460 came in last. I knew it would the moment I saw the title and what they did to both engines.
the old guy is a`tech wanna be but has no courage to work against other techs. he cant handle someone being better.
Joe has always been a blue oval guy.
busarider1072 fords always come in last just go to the drag strip. Heck there ain’t many ford powered fords at the drag strip most have LS engines in them
Joe is a Ford man.
@@Wanous-hv7zo because ls engine are a dime a dozen in junkyards and on marketplace and cheap af. Those are the budget builders. Ask how many engines they go through
And neither one of you know how to use that torque wrench. Nothing like going gentle on the cam bearings. And your showing people how to build engines
Love it guys....great job! Love watchin. Got a 454 that we're building now. Budget build.
Thanks!
Throw down?? These clowns threw the 460 down quick. I love BB Chevrolet, but come on, be fair.
Having had both a Chevy 454 and a Ford 460, I have to say that my favorite is the Chrysler 440...
Amused. Cute, but I’ve thrown more power out of a naturally aspirated 351 Windsor.
440 is just as good as any. Ive had all three and like them all. Each is powerfull and will take a beating...
@@ronaldfilkins6448 What I liked about the 440 was the intake system, which could be taken off without removing the distributor, I also liked the location of the oil filter, and the rocker arm shafts instead of the BS system used on the Ford and Chevy. I didn't have any issues with the 460 or 454, but they weren't as easy to work on or tear down between runs. Nowadays I play with a BMW S63 V8, which is a DOHC, 4-valve-per-cylinder, twin-turbo, inter-cooled, etc. It pulls hard, but I miss my old 'Cudas and Challengers.
You got it brother: Mopar or no car !!!!
Lets go 427 to 427. They both made one. But, "Cammer" cleaned ass!
They need to match heads for head AND install a balance crank in that FORD like they did with the Chevy.
Yup. This channel is all about advertising oil. They literally do not give a flying fuck about us, they don't understand us, they just make a video that we will hate and give it a title we can't resist and KACHING!!! It's all about views. I dunno about you but I'm NEVER coming back. They aren't just arseholes, they aren't just deceitful arseholes, they're INCOMPETENT deceitful arseholes. That's the trifecta. Peace out.
Ford guy can't stand Chevy builds. The best engine's on the market.
Fuckin ford cry babie. Lmao
No Ford guys only want what's fair that means putting a special crank and rods and building the bottom end like they did the Chevy it's called making it even Steven otherwise whats the point of doing this competition. I believe the shoe is on the other foot as well Chevy guys can't stand Ford Builds and will make up a bunch of BS oh Chevy's make more power per cubic inch, Fords weigh more then a Chevy. Fords cost more then Chevy's. I am not listening to that garbage
What's funny is the Chevy lovers totally gloss over the fact the Ford stock crank handles more power than the Chevy stocker. Tho part of that is Chevy would just use a forged crank and four bolt mains. By the time the Lima engine was made, Semon Bunkie Knudson was at Ford and brought not just his GM buddies, but the Rat's canted valve design. And when's the last time a junkyard 454 went to 557 cid?
www.429-460.com/t121-big-block-ford-horsepower-chart-info-gathered-by-djohagin
But for certain, a Chevy has cheaper, broader aftermarket support
interesting video.. i used to rebuild a lot of Detroit diesels, cumin's, macks etc... i like on how you show the use of the plastic gauge, thats been around since the '50's... getting those rings installed correctly is utmost important, i would always tell the younger guys to take your time doing this & be careful with the ring compressor , you can feel if the the oil expander is overlapped.. other than that, good job guys!
I just love how they pound the pistons in with a mallet. Or how they installed the cam! I'm sure there were some real nice scratches on the bearings! Or...how they adjust the rockers on a hot motor. Also, just dropping a new piston on a metal table. Then the obvious bias towards the bowtie is hilarious! I wouldn't want anything these guys build!
“ in today’s episode we’re going to build two 1960’s engines in completely differently different ways and goad the old fart Chevy and the 3 Ford guys into a trolling war in the UA-cam comments ! “
Red: Raaaaa!
Blue: Raaaaa!
it worked............. (ford guy, lol)
What the hell is a Chevy?
Daniel J Identity thief!! Lolll!
I love it, I wonder if it's the cost that was the same? As a chevy guy , I know it takes superior quality parts and workmanship to produce Ford parts, and nearly any third world sweatshop can, and do produce chevy parts that work.
A built 460 is a mean ass motor so is a 454 but this isn't a even build.
Agreed. You can tell all they did was throw sponsored parts at both engines. The numbers they got out of the Ford can be got for a lot less money, and get a more driveable engine out of it, too. These guys were too eager to throw aluminum heads and roller cans at these engines in my opinion.
@@RustyCarnahan I have seen many comparisons between Ford V8s and Chevy V8s. Overall you are going to get more HP/Torque out of the Chevy SB and BB engines even when using very comparable parts. Not saying Chevy is better than Ford but that is usually the outcome. I was surprised to hear them say the Ford 460 stock crank was made to handle up to 700 HP and the Chevy 454 stock crank could only handle 500 HP.
@@motorman1873 dude, im sure i probably agree with you but damn you sound like a total fuckin moron! Get your spell check and grammar on bro before you start callin people names lol!
@@tskraj3190 LMAO when u bowtie boys make the power we do in a small block ford let me know . Show me a 305 that can make 500hp stroked out . no problem showing u a small block ford stroked out to 500hp all motor (331 , 347) SBF stroked 302 produces 500hp all day. Dont even get me into the new coyote motor 5.0 . or the 03/04 cobra and what it still does to chevy junk to this day
This wasn’t a apples to apples comparison.. use the same combustion chamber compression valve size cam carb and do this again
The Ford 385 block was a lot of fun for me & my daughter as we took turns doing burn-outs took her awhile to get her first 100+ rubber strips, them were fun days!
Damn I love how every one commenting is a master engine builder that put these guys in there place. GOOD job guys 👍🙄
IM NOT A CHEVY OR FORD FAN, BUT THE CHEVY HAD THE ADVANTAGE IN BETTER PARTS. THIS COMPARISON WAS STUPID, THEY'RE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DESIGNS
YOU TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUTTA MY FACE-HOLE!!!
hipo crank vs stock ....
Lmao and it still only made 11more hp and less torque, haha dumb chevys.
aThey want to make sure the Chevy wins. Didn't do that with the Ford . Assholes.
I agree, wholeheartedly
That gasket sealer will be a powerstroke owners new best friend!😁😄😆
Well done and simple.
They can never and will never show equal love
The ford didn’t get the same mods.
I am pretty much a CHEVY guy and have been for around 5 decades, but a HUGE DISSERVICE was done to the FORD in this "this vs. that" comparo....kinda like comparing apples to bananas the way it was done and when I saw all that, You TOTALLY LOST any shred of believably/credibility you had as far as I am concerned. Oh, yeah..."Cross drilled to reduce rotating wight"? OK...whatever you say, i guess...can't claim that it DIDN'T reduce rotating weight, though that IS NOT why cranks get drill!
If it had the chevy woulda bern toast.
"Equally modified Ford" he says.
Fuurds = 🚽🚽🚽
@@mt1885 not what he means dip shit
@@mewrongway Absolute JUNK Fuuurd properitary horrid electrical, engines made from pot metal (they do have good marketing). As fools keep buying them, GM owns the v8 from old gen to new. Plus, their electrical is so much easier to work with.
You mean that LS engine that is basically a copy of an old Ford?
@@timparry8303 I keep seeing this claim. You DO realize that, even if the LS was a copy of a Ford, that means that it took Chevy to get it right, don't you?
Because it's sure as hell a fact that nobody does with a Ford small block what you can do with an LS.
It's so true that now Ford has copied the LS with their "new" 7.3. LOL
And it's hilarious how you want to talk about Chevy "copying" an old Ford motor, but this very video has a 460 which was copied from the Big Block Chevy.
The 'magnetic finger' is truly ingenious!
That cam install was brutal. Ouch
"there's no graceful way to install these spiral clips"
Me: Looks at spiral clip tool that is quite Graceful
If I ever had these guys build me an engine, I would insist that they let me come in to install the camshaft. They are always so rough with them when they slip them into the block.
yeeaaaaaa, Knick those cam bearings....
yea. I noticed that too. I don't understand why they are so careless...
These guys are not engine builders, they are a couple family members or close friends of the producers that get paid huge money to advertise and get people to watch etc... they Google all the hot shit that everyone else is googling and wanting to know and they're reaping the rewards... I bet they dont even know how to change a fucking jet or power valve... it's all about the mighty dollar... fuck I should make a UA-cam channel on building engines and cars
It’s interesting, because the 454 was designed more towards a performance racing engine, while the 460 was designed to be a hauling, towing, truck engine.
I like all those torque wrench impact gun specs.
What's the torque on that main? #Goodntight
How about all same components on both engines. Typical of any comparison the Chevy is given the better parts
Ben Brown
It Isn't the same parts, it's about what parts that make.an engine respond.
In most magazine articles &
Videos the guy doing the testing tend to spend much more time, effort. & money to extract the last available pony on chevys. And just does a basic 'budjet rebuild'
On the other brands, and calls it done
All I know from my experience is that you can nearly double the power outputs of the 460 with headers and exhaust, intake and carb, a cam, and a few hours making the heads breathe.
If you want it to hold, then you go through the bottom end of course.
@@johnjbarnes78 yea id like a 460 budget build w about 378 hp & gobbs of torque. Maybe over 500 lbs. Be great in any truck.
Built a 400b in 1996 for $2500 put out 325 hp and 450 tq. Only non FoMoCo parts were cam, gaskets and seals, and oil pump.
Easily get more out of a 460.
@@johnjbarnes78 yea I like torque. Id take 600 lb tq over 600 hp any day. The expensive part, these big blocks is the aftermarket intake heads. Ive got a 1985 bbF 460. One day I'll turn it into a pulling work horse. I'm a chevy man but the 460 can be a work horse if rebuilt properly. :-)
Even with UA-cam full of channels doing all they can to make the Chevy look better, the real people still know which motor will make more power. I’ll still with my fords.
now run them with out pil or water and see which motor last longer ....FORD
Dominic Sosa that would just be stupid like you. Only a fucking idiot would say something like that
Noah Marsh in your dreams. Is that why they put chevy engines in ford mustangs?
Jeff Dunn and get more power go faster and hold up. Ford engines suck
Jeff Dunn what facts? That fords are good? Ha ha ha ha ha its ok stupid ford boy
We're gonna compare these two competing motors, but one is going to get heads with a 10% larger heads...totally equal comparision
And that, after 400 more RPM, translates to a whole 11hp. lmfao.
I think you guys should have more of those questions to keep us motorheads on the right track and thinking. 🤓
You used bigger heads, intake and cam of course it’s gonna make more power 😂😂😂
No way
*Surprised pikachu face*
It made more power stock either way 🤷🏽♂️
Rodolfo Munoz depending on year and original purpose of the engines, the stock vs stock numbers may not be a fair comparison.
Robert Terhune ok well that’s irrelevant the fact here is that the 454 made more then the 460 period ......obviously they used the more powerful year models of each 🤷🏽♂️
Similar builds? Yet the specs of each piece, for each engine, aren’t even close. So much for a fair and even comparison.
What was the cost per engine to get the results. Keep saying budget build but did not hear what the overall differing costs were 1 verse the other. Also specialty tools and addons.
Best technique when using plastigage is to put the plastic wire 90 degrees from the bearing parting line. The bearings are tapered smaller nearer the parting line so the the clearance will read larger than it actually is at 90 deg to the parting line if you don't place the plastic correctly.
Equally built with the exception of better heads and intake on the 454
A juice Cam in the ford, a solid in the Chevy you can easily see that these guys are from the Chevy Camp!
That’s not a fair comparison in no form or fashion. You guys put better internals in the 454 and stock parts in the Ford. Put the same cam and pistons in the ford with the same valves and port sized heads and same brand cam and grind, then the same intake and so forth, come on guys I would hope your not just a bunch of actors but you’d know if your a real engine builder that this isn’t a fair comparison by no means. I can build a stoke stroke stick bore 460 that will put that Chevy 454 under the table on power. Like I said if you were really a hot rod and engine guy you’d know that the heads you used on the Ford are a restriction from valve placement and that the GREAT JOHN KAASE has redesigned the SCJ heads and cast his own p-51 head that flows some real cfm. So sorry for being blunt but please if your gonna compare power don’t do apples to oranges make it an even build... oh I forgot y’all big bow tie boys😱😱💯💯 Love the channel I just don’t think it’s a fair comparison sorry 💯
Would a four-bolt mains block be a better choice for a high-performance build?
When they installed the rear-main seal, all I could hear was Dulcich saying, "Freiburger, I'm going to go with the aviation."
Your Chevy bias is showing again.
Sure is. The 460 is a bad ass engine. I believe it can dominate that 454.
If they gave the 460 as much love as that 454, the numbers would have been a LOT different.
Let's throw more shit into the Chevy because we can't let a FORD win...what a joke
So both had full rebuilds with cam/heads/intake mani and carb? I mean they didn’t talk about the compression but it’s been know the 454 is easier and cheaper to make power
@@bbdl7042 chevy has bigger heads right off the bat
@SBK Stóre you do realize that the 385 series ford is a big block chevy copy ...... Look at the staggered valves. The FE was doomed. A great engine design doesn't last for 50 plus years because its junk........ Mercury marine still makes the BBC. Never saw a 385 series ford single or in multiples in big water racing. The reason??? Pretty simple, the 385 series ford lacks head bolts== long term reliability== no wins!
@@hilleryclifford2367 B.S if the ford was a chevy copy then why wouldn't it have this great head bolt design that you speak of. Remember the 454ss pickups? They were getting out ran by ford lightings with a 351. In 92 the 460 and 454 were almost identical numbers from the factory. Chevy had 10 more hp but fords torque came in at a lower rpm. This was a build totally in chevys favor just admit it
@@jasonamerica7618 ..you're comparing apples to oranges....when the late 70's rolled around the big blocks were detuned and smogged to death. Any small block lightweight engine could outrun them.
I have a 2 bolt main 454 block I'm ordering a 496 scat rotation assembly like to see you guys put one together 10.5 or more compression I'm thinking 50 more torque and horse power you guys do a great show