Ultimate Tremolo Upgrade? | Tremmory | Guitar Tech Tips | Ep. 52 | Thomann
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- Опубліковано 23 лип 2024
- Floating tremolos are a lot of fun. They will cause problems with double bendings or with a fast drop tuning though. You can block the tremolo with something like the Tremol-No but what if you didn't want to do that. The Tremmory should give us the stability of fixed bridges WHILST using a floating trem. Is that really possible? Check out the video for answers. Enjoy Guitar Tech Tips!
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Interesting bits and pieces:
0:00 Introduction
0:22 What is the Tremmory?
0:58 Will it fit in my guitar?
1:33 Let's install it
2:10 Time for a test ride
2:53 Drop tuning with the Tremmory
3:35 All the strings stay in tune when bending?
3:55 Pros
4:12 Cons
5:23 Outtakes
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I love that he spends time to tell the cons unlike other vids
Thanks a lot! This was very important to me, since these are not sales videos. We make these to help you set up and fix your instrument and get the right tool, in case you're looking for something like this. If you know the pros and cons, you'll not be disappointed when you get one. You'll know exactly what's doable with it and what's not. Cheers //Kris
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses I guess the best compromise to do those subtle whammy tricks is to choose only one side, bend up or down, then block the other side, favoring over-tension on the blocked side (if favored on the bend up side, incomplete strings like missing big E should still be enough tension to keep the bridge at the fixed position).
Would love to see you do a comparison of all the tremolo stabilizers - Tremory, BlackBox, Tremol-No, and probably a few I can't remember.
This needs to be done asap
Since this device uses a compression spring to add to overall string tension, it may be worth removing one of the original springs then resetting the other two accordingly. Also the thing most guitar players would want to know is what happens to tuning, not just with a drop D tuning, but when you break a string
I would say dropping a whole note on a string equals breaking it, as there is suddenly less tension on that side of the bridge
@@maxmustardman298 Are you sure about that? Since all strings apply nearly the same tension for most tunings, a broken 1st string is basically a bigger drop in tension as compared to the tension reduction from a drop tuned 6th string.
I bought the smallest one and I measured 69mm from my setup so yes, I'm going to have to lengthen the springs and adjust the claw by going with 2 springs. The springs came with the guitar so I'm assuming their medium to high tension. Nothing custom from fu tone or anything which I might try later on. *I didnt care to change anything after measuring I went ahead and dropped the tremmory in anyway, what I got was my tuning went about 20 cents sharper and the bridge was no longer at zero point but tilting back. The device still works as intended so maybe I can just loosen the claw for the 20 cents back and have it at 0 point again.
thats what i thought too
just replace the middle spring on a 3 spring set up and add tension accordingly. would help to make it feel less stiff
Neat product! Basically this is an ESP arming adjust type of mechanism without having to fasten it to the body. Have to try one out!
Very interesting and useful! Thanks for sharing.
Normally I really don't care for any company's success, but that little unit is REALLY amazing. I'm using this in three of my guitars since several years now and will buy it as soon as I have a new trem-guitar to be on stage. I´ve tried ALL other systems and this is the only one which fits perfect to me. If I need to play floating them for really fine vibrato or even flutter-effect, simply loosen the screw a quarter turn and you just don't feel or hear that it is there. Tighten the screw and you can use the trem in all direction, but with more amount of power. Therefore you are free to tune down to drop-d or safe if a string breaks.......perfect!!
Where can I buy one? Having a hard time finding one online.
Greetings!
Thanks Kriss for the wonderful sharing!
🤘🏻🙏🏻🤘🏻
Great vid! I requested this ages ago on the tremol-no video (if I recall). Good that you've shown also the downsides too.
Yes you did, your comment is one of the reasons we made this episode. :) Thanks for the support man, much appreciated! //Kris
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses hi Chris, can you clarify something. Does this allow easy downtune for all the strings ? Or is it only stable if you downtune the low E?
I want to be able to downtune my Floyd rose to drop c or lower easily and still have the option to pull up some.
@@allboutthemojo Hey, I'm pretty sure it can't keep up with all the strings if you downtune them. Only the E string is already the limit it can handle. As told, that works fine for live situations if you want to drop tune that one string but not more. Cheers //Kris
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses thank you Chris. Appreciate the reply!
I'm in canada and bought the device for 170ish after customs clearance and more taxes. I heeded all the warnings of subtle tremolo use and flutters but I'll happily trade it for a more stable floyd rose. I had more fun with a jeff beck strat and his floating setup for that subtle style of playing so looking forward for that guitar again.
Thank you for the useful information. I think I will buy one.
great video and very honest talking about the "cons"...i'm thinking about a bridge with ZPS3fe, i tried it today and the effect on the bridge is similar..it's a compromise and you decide what is more important for you.
Very great video. Exactly all I had to know.
This is great for lap steel licks on a folating bridge guitar! Tanx for this vid!
well, 111€... Damn!
Great video as always Chris!
If you change the small spring in the tremmory device, you can alter the strenght of the effect. I can't tune do drop d with my settings, but you get the effect of clean unison bends + a butter smooth vibrato.
Worth trying! :)
That's some great info there, thanks Max! It's a give-and-take, isn't it: with a smaller spring inside it you can do the subtle things, but loose the stability you need for drop tuning or when you break a string. It's great, that you can tweak it to fit your liking though, I like that a lot. Cheers //Kris
Good video. Interesting product
Great tool !!! Great video !!! Thanks for this
Great Vid!! - Looks like an updated version of the TremSetter. Easier installation but has the same drawbacks.
Great Video.
God Bless You & Yourn!!
Jimmy in NC....
Hey Jimmy, thanks a lot! Take care! //Kris
That guitar looks awesome!
Than,you very much for your review
Great channel..! Thanks a lot
When i got the tremmory it annoyed me that the smooth vibrato isnt possible anymore so now i just use it to make my strat temporarily a hardtail if i need drop tunings
Nice vídeo, I was wondering how it’d be with floating floyd system with a DTuna
Wondering if there's a remedy for the knocking that happens when you dive down (about 2 whole steps)? Putting felt in between the springs helps to keep down their resonance, but curious if there's a way to smooth this out a bit. Thanks!
@Thomann's Guitars & Basses What is the difference between the Tremol-No and the Tremmory? Any advantages or disadvantages to either?
Interesting device that I was not aware of. I am wonder how it works on the reverse of drop tuning. I run my guitars in a drop tuning and occasional go to standard. Would this help in the same manner? Meaning I take my Dropped D string and tun back up to E for standard tuning and maintain tuning across strings?
To adjust the stiffness, you have to remove the middle spring and and set the tremmory in the middle I guess.
@Kris - do you (or does anyone here) know by chance if the required Tremmory size would need to be altered (upsized or downsized) if I upgrade from a 32mm sustain block to a 42mm sustain block? Wasn’t sure if the holes where the springs attach to the sustain block change any, or if they remain centered (as I would imagine). Thanks for your review/time.
Pretty cool gadget.
Nice!! I just saw your other video on the Tremmory. Which of the two did you like better for a floating bridge? Torn between the two and would sincerely deeply appreciate a reply on the pros, cons to those two. Keep up the good work, just recently stumbled onto your channel.
Cool Kris! 😊👍
He is cool, so is the crew.
Nice!!
I've found I can Drop D no problem, but a string break ruins the tuning and pulls the tremolo back to body. I'm trying to remove springs to find the sweet spot where the rest of the strings would stay in tune if one snapped but I think it's actually impossible as you're always fighting against the tension. - This is one thing not mentioned about the Tremmory.
Very interested in this system for Floyds... but I love my stutter effect.... decisions decisions! lol
I'm 99% sure this was Ola Englunds guitar that he used in his demo of the tremmory
Considering it's a solar guitar chances are you're right.
Does this improve sustain? And is it possible to change the tuning to E flat as well, not just drop D?
Satriani uses his had pressure on the bridge to keep the other strings from going flat , when he's bending . Pure Genius!
Correct. It's called "palming" and the guy who invented it was I think Jeff Beck.
Great video. Is tremmory can fit Ibanez zero point system?
I think you would have less stiffness in the bar if you remove the centre spring and replace it with the tremmory. You way you have it set up is like having 4 springs which will make the motion of the bar stiffer.
I'm jonesin' for this - how do I determine which model to purchase - S, M, L?
Does it require more force when utilizing the whammy bar?
Have you used any of the other vibrato stabilizers, such as Hipshot's Tremsetter, etc?
Does this also stabilize the trem in general? Is tuning a floyd rose easier? Im playing a Ibanez Edge lowpro trem with 9er strings and tuning this thing is a nightmare. Even with the fine-tuners at the bridge its nearly impossible to get the guitar into proper tuning. If you minimally adjust the low E or A String, you pretty much have to adjust all other strings as well... such a pain in the a**
I have my springs in V shape. Do i remove the middle spring for the tremmory or shoukd i put them straight? Thank you
Hi! Thank you very much for this video, it was really interesting. I still have a question, is it possible to combine the Tremmory with a D-Tuna on the same guitar? Is it still stable? Thank you very much again.
Hey, I've never seen anyone combining them, but in theory it should work. The Tremmory seems to stabilise the tremolo enough to allow you a drop tuning without tuning problems. As told, I wouldn't use it to drop tune in a studio but for live, sure. Why not. :) Cheers //Kris
Thank you very much!
Super-Vee Mag-Lok works great too.
how about comparing it with other trem-stabilizers like tremol-no and göldo back box. pros and cons, which one to get for one application compared to another. which one is good for floyd, for strat. which one is good for a floating setup, etc. i have now seen videos on all of these i believe, but still not sure which one to get for my guitars. maybe get one for the strat and another for the floyd? get none? i am confused. help.
What did you manage to figure out? I am also confused lol.
So is this basically the ESP Arming Adjuster, but without the need to drill holes?
Hi Kris. Still wating for the nut replace video. Best regards
We didn't forget about that, don't worry. :) Coming up soon! //Kris
I have a ~500€ old Cort with a cr*ppy Cort floyd rose. It never kept in tune... So people told to completely change the bridge with a true Floyd rose or a schaller, but it's pretty expensive. So I bought this tremmory thing, to see if it's good or not. I heard good thing about it and the video with Ola sold me. Now my Cort is always in tune, even if i play a lot with the whammy bar. But it's very stiff, you can't do flutter for example. Overall I'm very satisfied with my purchase !
but it's worth it
and tell me how it feels, it's harder, to pull the lever forward or back
@@fernandopadilla6514 both ways, it's harder to pull and to push.
@@fernandopadilla6514 both ways, it's harder to pull and to push.
I just bought this on Thomman since I could not make things work with a Tremol-No on my guitar. Everything was top notch, floyd is going back home after every whammy play, but when I add the Tremol-No, it goes out of tune. I hope the Tremmory will solve my problem (it's because I got a D-Tuna in there). Does Thomman accept returns if the product doesn't change a thing for my situation?
Cheers from Canada!
Is there a tremelo stabilizer that allows for subtle vibrato?
Can I use this to lock my bridge to return in tune after breaking a string in fully floating mode?
Hallo Thomann-Team, ragt die Feststellschraube doll raus bzw. ist es nach der Installation noch möglich, die Abdeckung raufzuschrauben?
Danke
Liebe Grüße
The entire point of keeping a floating bridge, as opposed to increasing spring tension and decking it for stability, is light and responsive bar action for subtle vibrato. It seems like any stabilizing device you can purchase will more or less deprive you of that, so might was well safe your money and deck the trem.
The Tremmory is not easy to find for sale in the U.S. - I have the Esp Arming Adjustable and it works just as good for 30 bucks- same concept though- you have to push a lot harder to pull up or dive down but it keeps it in tune much better
So what is the actual function of this tool? Does it just make the floyd stiffer like adding more springs?
Is this is a newer form of the Tremsetter?
can you use the dtuna?
Ibanez Edge ZERO trem already has similar device installed
Tremedic solves all of them and adds sustain resonance overall tonal quality and the tuning stability is unreal…once my strings are stretched I don’t unlock the nut use the machine heads OR the fine tuners until I do a string change…
Does it improve tuning stability?
Hey ! It's works on 7 strings ?
hi where to you buy the Tremmory???
So if I’m correct here, with the tremmory installed you can’t pull up on the whammy bar?
You can pull it up too. You can do everything you normally do with your trem, you just need to pull / push harder. And if you want to full "normal" tremolo feel, loosen the screw on the Tremmory and there you go. :) Cheers //Kris
Hey! We're over here! Quit looking over there!!!
I don't understand why the instructions on their website says to replace a spring but this video the opposite, really want to try one of those now
It really comes down to your preference. If you have a tuning paired with string gauge that allows for one less springs, that's awesome. You'll have more space for your fingers to adjust the wheel of the Tremmory if needed. For E standard tuning with 10-46 strings I'd still stick to 3 springs though, it gives me a nicer balance. As told, it's a matter of taste. Cheers //Kris
Where can someone purchase one of these? Maybe I'm not looking in the right places but I haven't found anyplace that sells them. Thanks.
There's some Russian dude who sells them, if you check old englunds video on the tremor in the comment section you can find him
It is the Tremmory M in this case?
A doubt. The difference between the S and L is just 1cm. Does measure S not reach the same point as L? I may be wrong, but. My fear is buying an L, having to use a different tuning on the guitar and not fitting when the claw is closer to the block.
This my Inventory. Patent 2407067 RU.
yo alex :)
I got your back
I bought my tremmory from you best decision i ever made thank you
looking at a new guitar with a floyd so if i buy it you know ill be contacting you fro another tremmory for that guitar also
@@zaited.x.dahlia8788 thanks you very much. Yes l am Alex.
How do I order from you?
Ah, so I guess this is the Tremol-No’s cousin, the Tremol-Kinda.
can you still get flutter ?
this may a bit out-of -topic ,but Is there any difference if we put the springs in parallel or V shape?
You have slightly more tension (spring pull) if you have them in V shape. Nothing you couldn't adjust with the spring claw though, so it's not really relevant in my opinion. Cheers //Kris
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses thanks
What exacy is the difference between this and the tremol-no?
And can you use both together?
tremol-no is a trem blocking device. so you can have it in pull-up-or-down mode or lock it in place similar to a hard tail bridge. pull-up-or-down mode would still have the same issues with bends and drop tuning
as for the tremmory, when the system is unbalanced by string tension (while bending for example) it will add tension to the spring side to compensate. this way the tensions between strings and springs are kept balanced and your bends will be in tune.
I suppose they can be used together (I haven't tried it) but the tremol-no uses it's own claw and takes up one spring lane so you probably could fit both in if you used three springs. Three springs for you guitar, 1 for the tremmory, and 1 for the tremol-no
@@killaken2000 Will it also prevent going out of tune from palm muting and resting picking hand on bridge?
Muito bom
I would prefer a solution that blocks the trem from the bridge side rather than a this. This would be great for those guitar players who leave their backplate off but I don’t want to remove the backplate every time I want to retune the guitar.
Taking off your backplate does small amounts of damage to the threads of the backplate, and if you remove it frequently it accelerates that damage.
Which one is better Tremmory vs all parts tremol-no????
Can I use this on a traditional strat trem ?
absolutely yes! It works on all floating tremolos, not only on Floyds. Cheers //Kris
how does this compare to say like a hipshot tremsetter?
seems a bit shady, that their official Instagram, Facebook and website are not really maintained any longer, what's going on there? With a price point like EUR 110,- your pre- and post sales communiction shoud always be spot on, Tremmory / KSE GmbH !
Geil, brauch ich sofort. Komm gar nicht klar auf meine neue Gitarre ohne ZPS3
Does it make sence on a floyd rose???
If you're happy with how the Floyd on your guitar works, then it of course doesn't make sense. If you want more stability or some additional features though, then something like the Tremmory or the Guitar-Guard Hardtailer are awesome ways to mod that tremolo. Cheers //Kris
How well does it handle a broken string? For example, high E or B.
Depends on your string tension and your whole system, so it's not easy to say. In generel it's more likely that it handels a broken high e String than for example the low E. You can imagine this device as a spring that works against your Floyd rose for very small angles. The higher your string tension, the bigger the risk, that your floyd goes out of the zone, that is controlled by the tremmory device. :) When I change the strings next time, I'll test how jt behaves.
It should be OK for the high B and E strings. That's what the company claims at least. They say it will stay enough in tune to finish up the song. That's not bad already and it would've saved many gigs where I broke a string mid-song. haha! Cheers //Kris
Trem Endus is a fraction of the cost, does it work just as well?
I can't tell unfortunately, I don't have experience with that unit. Sorry. Anyone else? There might be someone here who tried it already. Cheers //Kris
Haben Brokkoli Socken denn nicht minder Einfluss auf s Fläddering vom Tremolo?
Hi, lustiges Timing: ich hab meine Brokkoli Socken gestern wegschmeissen müssen... rip. Du hast aber recht, ich empfehle niemanden Brokkoli in den Tremolo Federn zu stecken. Es kann echt messy werden. Alles volle grüne Stückchen, ein Alptraum sauberzumachen. :D Also lieber geeignete Teile benutzen, wie das Tremol-no oder Tremmory. haha! Ciao //Kris
Can you pull up with the device engaged?
yes
Yea alot of details were not covered. The tremmory is ok, yes taking a spring out gives you less tension, but as well the size of the tremmory for every specific guitar cavity is different sizes, let alone when you go down with the bar it clicks because the spring comes off the tremmory then rests back when you let go. At the same time I user a schaller sure claw, it helps but I think the trick would be 2 tremmorys on the bass and treble side only, no added spring, but the tremmory design needs to be innovated to be noiseless. The instructions that come with the unit are quite mediocre. No detail whatsoever is covered. Just an overview, and it is a spring replacement because of the added tension the spring that the unit uses when going down with the bar.
When I go drop D, all the other Strings detune.... I don't know what I'm doing wrong
0:40 i was waiting for fly by night
I’ll keep my flutter and deal with the issues. How about those Ibanez Zero point return springs... do they also “Kill the Flutter” to have have that flutter ya gotta float smooth like butter.
peanut flutter
Flounder flapper
Whammy tapper
Pinch harmonic Divebomb whapper
Subtle vibrato on the clean notes for just the right warble.
I’m a full floater.
No decking, upper or otherwise.
Haha! Yeah, it's similar with the Edge Zero too. Flutter only happens if the trem is free to float without any "handbrakes pulled in". Cheers Poo! //Kris
No breaks it is then !!! Whammy on Full speed flutter floaters flail away!!!
I mean I got 4 heavy springs on mine so it’s a short flutter but I LOVE IT!!!
What is the guitar?
Welche Größe wurde im Video genutzt ? Habe die selbe Gitarre 🤟🏻
Guter Geschmack! :) Ich habe die Tremmory S Variante benutzt für die Solar. Ciao //Kris
would you recommend this or the Tremel-No?
Hey, both but for different things. The Tremmory is more "subtle" out of the two. You always feel that the tremolo is stiffer than without it but you can use the trem in both directions and drop tune the guitar at the same time.
The Tremol-No is a good choice, if you want to go back and forth between it's three modes (stop-tail, dive only, free floating) and you don't want anything in between.
Cheers //Kris
When I got my EVH Wolfgang I realized how problems are solved with a Floyd that goes down only. So I modified my Ibanez by blocking the trem to dive only by adding a piece of hardwood inside the cavity. I will never go back to full floating.
Kris, Tremmory or Tremol-No? Or sg else? What is your opinion (if one still wants to use the tremolo)?
Szia Tomi! I was talking about this Tremmory vs Tremol-No subject in this Q&A video from around 16:00. Chekck it out and let me know, if you still have questions: ua-cam.com/video/sO3nwA-HpQ0/v-deo.html
Üdv! //Kris
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses Szervusz! It's clear! Thanks! Köszönöm! Üdv: T.
@@ThomannsGuitarsBassesWow, nem tudtam, hogy magyar vagy. Cool! 😎
Anyone try it on Gotoh 510...?
It is the same solar guitar that use ola englund
Please, does it increase sustain?
Nope, I don't think so. I didn't hear any increase of sustain. It's only there to stabilise the tremolo. Cheers //Kris
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses Thank you very much!
Thomann sells the tremol no and the Back Box as tremolo stops and dampeners but the normal ass tremolo stop Floyd rose or FU tones sells ain’t there? I made my own out of an very small angle with 2 holes on each side, cut threads in one hole and used a screw with a nut to lock the screw in place after I set the right distance and all for free because I had everything at home.