The Problem With Bushcrafters
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- Опубліковано 23 лис 2024
- The problem with bush crafters like Corporals Corner, Grey Bearded Green Beret, Coalcracker Bushcraft, and others may not be what you think it is.
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I am a subscriber of Corporal Corner, Coalcracker Bushcraft, and Grey Bearded Green Beret and I enjoy their videos.
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Same here
I am from the Philippines. I may not need to learn how to do an overnight camping or making a shelter on a winter seasin, but i enjoy how Corporal Kelly does it, and i learn a lot of things from tying knots, putting up tarps and even cooking. No BS by putting someone's work down. My first time to see your video and what i see is this.
I am tooo I love tgen
It’s because they are actually legit and know what they are doing.
I don't know what others think but to me bushcraft is about finding peace and gaining sanity in a world that has neither.
i thought it was about crafting in the bushes
Amen
I think the Bushcrafters he mentions are phenomenal. Sean Kelly promotes practicing these skills all of the time. He is not unrealistic and speaks on perseverance. You cannot get much more real than these guys. They've honed their skills and speak on your go to stuff realistically and really well. Bow drill demonstrations are great and no one ever said it was going to be easy. If you have a lazy mindset and you are expecting instant gratification then Bushcrafting at their level or any level is not for you.
I am sorry, but this is just bullshit for me. Sure I have a lazy mindset. I am not in their level and you know what? I am not even trying be like them. Bow drilling? I will never do that shit. I will just carry 3 or more combustion items with me and I will be just fine...
1.)Disinfecting water, not purifying.
2.) Shawn Kelly @Corporals Corner, is arguably, one of the best in the field, along with Dave Canterbury, Dan Wowak, & Josh Enyart. Yes, Shawn Kelly really does live videos of making a bow drill set, and does it live at the Pathfinder School, and creating an ember. No cut scenes. Shawn has stated numerous times, practice makes better. He’s never mislead his viewers into thinking that rubbing (2) sticks together will guarantee an ember. He’s authentic as it gets & also a senior instructor at the Pathfinder School, former Marine, and a sincere guy, bringing content to UA-cam every friggin’ week.
3.) Bic Lighter should always be ones choice, 1st time, every time. Other methods are learned to exhaust options when necessary.
4.) The men you mentioned, often refer to the term “woodcraft”, rather than bushcraft. They have always expressed a sincere desire to educate those willing to learn. I could submit a list a mile long with “Bushcrafters”, that don’t know Di@k $hit about fundamentals or 10 C’s of survivability. A boat load of followers in the industry. All they do is attempt to re-create what is trending, dog in the woods, B roll nonsense and frankly don’t have a clue.
@Peter Barker Don’t repeat that to anybody. Learn the process before commenting, Champ. 😉
Just because I own every wrench , socket , and screwdriver known to man does not make me a mechanic. Its up to us to use the tools we have and practice , practice, practice.
They are all extraordinary teachers and well respected but its still falls on us to use what we learn effectively.
Great show
Makes total sense. Sean always says “Bic lighter. First time, every time.” These guys aren’t lost on the fact that in a SHTF situation, they won’t be making a bow drill. They keep 3 lighters on ‘em all the time. They simply enjoy the field and the craft. However, I don’t recall any of them explicitly saying “don’t go out un-practiced and put yourself in dangerous situations thinking you can do these things first try”. I’m sure they think it goes without saying and that their audience is intelligent enough to know better. That being said kids these days have unrealistic expectations when it comes to learning anything new.
Through the process of learning new things, I’m sure many of us have become quite intimate with the important of practice and setting too high of expectations. My sons will watch me do something (sometimes something for the first time). When I make it look easy, they think they can do it on the first try and become frustrated when they fail. They’re witnessing someone at level 50 try something for the first time but weren’t around to witness me fail miserably a thousand times when I was practicing at level 1.
Something else I’ve had to teach my boys is how skills translate to other skills. If you’ve gas welded (with filler rods) a lot, it won’t take much to learn to MIG or TIG weld. If you’ve built small engines a lot, it won’t take much to work on a car. If you write code for a living, it’s not hard to write viruses, design a game, or build a simple robot. The more skills you learn, the more rapid you can gain other skills because of how they overlap.
Dig the interrelated skills thoughts.
I think what Shawn Kelly is trying to say when he mentions the lighter is if you got it to use use it. Wasting energy is the enemy to the human body if you are in a several day survival situation. Shawn is also an instructor for survival hands on school.
Hey skits Corpus corner has made many a bow fire starters
Unless the car engine has multiple computers.
Bravo! Exactly my thoughts. Same as Dave Canterbury, he can build and use a bow drill and board, but is no stranger to a chainsaw or scoped rifle. I’d bet he can use a GPS as well as he does a map and compass.
Buschcraft is meant to be fun, relaxing and a comfortable way to improve one’s skill set.
Survival is another animal and all the people you mentioned understand and teach both very well.
Try the Pathfinder Advanced survival class, you’ll see..
I’m sure it’s a good course.
Hey, Jeff Rdnck, what an awesome idea👍
some of them are too high strung and take themselves too seriously. never underestimate the educational potential of humor. reallybigmonkey is a much better instructor. not to mention he doesn't edit anything out. he shows exactly how he does it.
@@cagneybillingsley2165 i love monkey, he seems like the kind of guy I'd hang out with for sure. I like his different hodgepodge ideas and whatnot; he shows you many different ways to do things and to not be afraid to make up your own solutions. It's the mindset to solve problems and have fun that I like.
😂. They teach you to pack 3 knives, a freakin trash bag and 10 ways to make a fire😂.
I remember when we just called it camping 😉
I made my first flint and steel fire in 1967, when I was 8 years old. Now, 55 years later, it’s still my preferred method.
I know there are folks who think, when the time comes, they’ll just bug out to the mountains and live off the land…. But I tell you, if you aren’t already living “Aux Aliments du Pays”, you will probably not last two months.
There is a difference between bushcraft and survival. And I think there are people who think one will substitute for the other….which it won’t.
This is a good discussion and it needs to keep going.
Great points all around!
Just to add to the general conversation - I remember when it was chopping or splitting wood versus 'processing'. Batoning? Please. I have to laugh at some guys who act as if it's an invention of modern bushcraft. The same goes with wild game. It must be called 'harvesting' now to ease delicate sensibilities. Much of the modern lexicon is social class based. Those with expendable incomes daring to venture out into the wilderness or back 9 of the family farm came up with terms to make them appear more noble for the gentleman adventurer.
What grinds my gears the most is the false sense of security some try to sell with have-or-die junk tools..to be updated 30 min later. Must have 'Survival' Altoid tins for those risky business conventions that are notorious for harboring interdimensional portals to vast uncharted wildernesses. *roll eyes* The survival card? C'mon, man.
Get to know every nuance of YOUR knife and you'll be better off than buying the next 'forged in the fires of Mt Doom by 1000 year old wizard elves' survival blade that will surely be left on it's sacred shrine if ever a truly forced survival event happened. And those odds are about 0.0005. The biggest aspect of survival should be avoiding such situations.
Bushcrafting, woodscrafting, woodsmanship, scoutcrafting, whatever, is obviously more a business here for UA-cam presenters. Rare are any discussions on mental and physical fitness for long term ventures or dealing with extended solitude. How many luxuries from home can one do without for an extended time? How many discuss plans for activities after dark? Eventually there's going to be a need beyond a flickering bush TV. Wild edibles by seasons?
Enjoy the hobby, but please dispense with the BS of "Overnight SURVIVAL challenge". Teach skills. They are what will save if EVER actually needed, not junk tools. Experiment safely. The more you know the less gear you need.
And most of the nonsense words, phrases, etc come from America. The irony.
@@Steakfrie Good post. Thank you.
I don't know Shawn Kelly personally but I've been a subscriber to his channel since the beginning alot of his recent videos are shorter then before because he use to show every single detail and explain everything. And he's pretty good at interacting with his subscribers. He responds back every time I messege him and he's even taken some of my suggestions/ideas and applied them to his videos the following week which was really cool of him. He's the real deal!
I completely agree about Corp. I've talked to him a few times through Facebook and he has always responded and given his honest opinion. Which is exactly why I follow
I follow both Dan and Shawn for years. They stress practice practice practice, have multiple backups of the 10Cs and make it enjoyable. People try to goad them into weird survivalist crap but they are family oriented. I have had very nice backyard fires with my daughters thanks to these gents
the real deal knows which way the bill on the cap goes, fire starter or not, don't impress the older set.
Hey Stoker…really respect you and appreciate all you do…I can tell you Shawn Kelly is the real deal….I was blessed to be able to attend the Self Reliance Outfitter Basic Training class and it was awesome…nothing glamorous about it at all, in fact it was just the opposite…I learned to push myself way beyond my comfort zone…learned to live and navigate in the woods for 72 hrs. Was wet most of the time. I took a lot of the skills I learned from Shawn to that experience and it helped me a ton….! HE is the real deal!!! Promise!
Awesome stuff!
I went through the same class last October. Hell of a class for just a few days. I couldn't believe 40 percent of the people who started, tapped out before the end. My daughter and I patched.
@@latigomorgan patched as well…👍🏼
Shawn Kelly is a freaking legend hands down. Watching his shows has put me and my sons out in the woods learning incredible things.
And did you have to pay for all that "Awesome Stuff" that he showed you?
One bushcraft skill I would recommend learning for SHTF is flint and steel. The reason is that you never have to resupply in town (unlike butane lighters, matches, etc). I can char material in the woods. I can find sparking rocks. And a thick piece of carbon steel will last my lifetime. I also recommend the old school tinder box over modern firestarters. It works better IMO, and again I can resupply in nature.
Honestly I'd be happy to find any of those guys you mentioned out in the woods. They'd keep me alive, safe, warm, fed, and out of harm's way. Their survival skills will always be helpful regardless if they're out in the woods or not, as are yours. Knowledge is power as we know. Learn from everyone and keep what works for you. 👍
Bushcrafting is not done miles into the woods....coalcracker says it in a few videos "bushcrafters are not backpackers, We go maybe 100 to 200 yards into the woods." Similar to camping. Now the survival skill aspect, these are skills you can utilize IF you find yourself in a LIFE OR DEATH situation...... it also makes camping trips with the family tons more fun. For exampl, My 6 year old daughter knows how to use a ferro rod to start a fire, make feather sticks and setup a tarp shelter.
I don't know Sean or Josh, but I know Dan. I've been to his school. In fact, I'll be there this weekend. One of the things I like about Dan is that he's not married to just the traditional way to do things. I took his Modern Bushcraft course last year, and not only did he and his team do some traditional stuff, but they also did modern things like teach Dyneema rope splicing, etc. The way I look at bushcraft is that it's just another tool for my toolbox. It gives me options should the need arise. A bow drill will never be my primary method for starting a fire, but it sure is nice to know that I can do it if push comes to shove.
Outstanding!
I’m with ya brother!! 😁👍👍🇺🇸
Sean is the shit
Same goes for Shawn really, he teaches a blend of traditional techniques and more modern techniques. Uses a blend of more traditional gear and more modern gear. Shawn is also lead instructor at the Pathfinder school, and as far as I know Dan's school and the Pathfinder school are the two best in the US.
Maybe not the drill since that's the most inefficient way to start one it's a good way but definitely most unsuccessful
Trained and a trainer with Shawn and Dan. The both know their craft. They both have there own style and have earned their place.👊
Those who can,
Do.
Those who cannot,
Troll.
I know what I'm doing when I'm out and about, but I am always pleased and grateful to be taught something I didn't know how to do, or to be shown a better way to do something I can do.
Watching this, I didn't learn a thing that would be even moderately useful anywhere (except for a sewing circle, or ladies lunch club).
Nice larp
Hilarious!
But yet you watched it
IMO Sean and Josh and Canterbury know their stuff beyond the Bushcraft scene and I also have regards for Coalcracker..They do what they can as this is a business also however they show us for free to the point I can go out and do allot of the techniques they show for free here on UA-cam and I couldn't afford.. so I love them all honestly and respect what they teach us.. but I know there is more to it and Josh is showing it in his channel by giving you theory which is great when accompanied by hands on. May the force be with them all lol.. UA-cam gives them what they need and they do the same for us..
Sean is a meme...
I stopped watching Corporals Corner months ago because instead of just providing content, he was complaining about how many views he was or wasn't getting and basically demeaned his audience
Same here. All he did was whine like a baby.
Same, boring wanker
Sean has a great channel it's not all about bushcraft or survival he has skills and passes them on I watch his videos every Sunday alot of what I have learned from his channel is use your brain to think outside the box when it comes to shelter building you could learn alot from watching these guys if you watch with an open mind
Or by accident if you take the time to watch and learn. Then we are happy to hear your EDUCATED comments...
I’ve started a fire with 3 strikes of the ferro rod and totally failed a few times starting the fire an hour later with a lighter. I’ve spent about 10 hours to date trying a Dow drill and came very close but not yet started a fire. I can build a shelter but I have 32 years of experience in the building trades and recognize the experience that Shawn has in his craftsmanship. If you do something for 1000 hours you’ll be decent at it. 8000 hours and you should be good at it. Time invested in a skill multiplied by your focus and ability determines the quality of your skill at anything. On another note I don’t care if they’re demonstrating their skills in their backyard. They all have skills I want and will earn eventually.
You're missing the point of those specific bushcraft channels. They are teaching techniques to fall back upon when other methods fail or are not available. And as for the process being "fast or easy", they condense the footage down because no one wants to watch a video of a guy working a bow drill for 45 minutes straight to get that ember. Most people are smart enough to get that and aren't fooled by the jump cut from start to finish.
These channels are about making money. You have inexperienced people creating channels and just going out there because they wanna make money from youtube and sponsors
Spot-on. Very few videos show the failures and the calluses you will get on your hands when attempting a hand drill fire.
This is my take on it. It's good to see different options and lost skills. But at the end of the day, survival comes down to one thing. Calories in versus calories out. It's nice to see all the different shelters but the easiest one to throw up is the best. The mountain men and Trappers used to take mules with supplies on them in the woods. Not a backpack. You can not live long-term out of a pack. I see what is good and fast. Your main goal is to better your circumstances. Whether that is self rescue or find a group. Most people think they can survive the apocalypse by heading out in the woods. I live in West Georgia. During the Depression the whitetail deer and turkeys were hunted to Extinction here. They had to reintroduce them back into the wild. And that's when we had Farms. So you do the math.
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Most of the stuff they post are for “over night” survival shelters with a bug out bag to survive a couple of days if need be. Never do they mention making it a lifetime out of a pack. They also mention several times in videos how exhausting bow drills can be and you need to know different types of wood, how to make it, and how to use it properly. They have specific videos on JUST BOW DRILLS. Try watching some of their “specific” videos before throwing shade on it just being for our entertainment. Could get you out of a sticky situation one day. If it does make a video about that instead.
@@bareknucklebushcraft8552 I'm just guessing here, but the guy in this video probably was looking to get new subs by mentioning the guys who get more views on theirs. But that's just a guess. I could totally be wrong. I only clicked because I saw Shawn Kelley lol
The only way you're going to survive the apocalypse is if you're heading to Antarctica or Greenland, and who says you can't survive out of a back back?
All that to basically say, "Hey people you have to practice, it's not as easy as they make it look."
☝️pretty much it!
I know all of these men and I don’t think any of them think this way. And most viewers I think don’t either. Most people know rubbing two sticks together isn’t an option, this sine entertainment. That’s why all of them constantly post classes and encourage training.
As far as SHTF, I don’t think they or most of us think Bushcraft is the answer haha.
Enjoyed the discussion for sure but I think I this was just more of an assumption and a great title/video to generate views.
The problem I have with most is there is not enough in the high desert. I don't live in the woods where there is a large amount of wood, trees and water. I live with cactus, sage brush, and rattlesnakes. You run into a mountain lion, you shoot it, and eat the meat, no question. I like the desert because fewer people. Every body is heading to the hills.
Junkyard Fox does desert survival
I know Shawn. Outstanding skills.
Tremendous thought out into this videos. I can’t tell from your rent is your problem with them or is it with UA-cam ? These dudes are straight up the real deal.
They do a great job.
I heard at some point that Bushcraft is being in the wood’s because you want to be while survival is being in the woods because you have to be. Because you can’t get out. Bushcraft is a hobby to me and I love it🙂
Well said. I trained with Shawn he is a good dude. He will be one of the first to tell you use a lighter first time ever time. Which I'm sure anyone of us would do. I can't agree more if we are in a SHTF situation we won't be carving spoons but wondering if the radiation is going to get us. I like your straight up approach to your channel, thanks for that. Keep up the outstanding work!
Right on man - good stuff!!
I'm pretty sure in most of his videos I've seen, he uses a lighter or a ferro rod. His most recent video is the first one I've seen him use bow drill or any kind of primitive fire method. Honestly, I think he did just for his own shits and giggles. I think he even has a video showing you how to dry out your lighter after he dropped it in a puddle.
Might be starting his own school soon.
I don't think any of those guys are training us for shtf. Instead they are teaching us how to challenge ourselves in the woods. Big difference.
A piece of outdoors advice once literally saved my life. It related to a compass and it was this: "Trust your compass rather than your instincts, because it is a precision piece of engineering, and you are a ****ing idiot." Truthful facts right there. Things like compasses, maps, tarps, firesteels are simple but have a bunch of technology put into them and do need skill to use. But I would trust them over the two sticks method or whatever any day of the week.
Great advice!
Im a very good navigator it used to be my job, I dont always know where i am but im never lost. and I still always carry a compass . because as you say a compass does not lie but your mind might if dehydrated of exhausted etc. having a few simple tools and more importantly knowing how to use them is the most important thing.
"Just because you're lost doesn't mean your compass is broken." ^.~
Seems to me a lot of bush crafters dont really have any instincts hunting fishing and trapping.
Yeah... Bad idea... You don't tug on superman's cape,
You don't spit into the wind,
You don't pull the mask off that old lone ranger
And you don't mess around with CC....
How was he “messed” with?
Watch again, and see if you don’t hear that the point is - we are the ones with the problem, and we need to get out and master our craft.
@@STOKERMATIC well you did laugh and say he was was whining about yt throttling his views.. Im not not gonna watch yours again.. But this dude goes out every week and does something original.. he's not trying to prep anyone for when the SHTF.. he is sharing a very rare skill set with content that is easy to learn from, while trying to make a living doing so.. I would be pissed to if I thought I was getting ripped off....
@@roundtracker guilty on commenting about his comments about YT - BUT I would submit that if anyone was truly upset about that, we have some SERIOUS issues in our community.
All the best to you.
I think we have the opposite problem. I think there are too many people teaching "survival skills" and selling "survival gear" which is mostly last ditch clutch gear. This gear and these techniques are not sustainable and will get a lot of people killed if SHTF. Bushcraft is about learning to be comfortable in the wilderness so it doesn't become a survival situation, even over an extended period of time.
I agree with your statement very much.
Sounds like you are jealous you don’t have the skills they have?
Good video! And truthful. I watch all of the ones you mentioned and think they are great. BUT, if we put to much time into learning how to hunt with a flintlock, mzzle loader, or single shot shotgun, we've missed some steps. We should be putting in the time with a carbine of your choice and modern tactics of how to stay alive in the possible coming struggle.
As a millennial that just found out about Bushcraft in the last couple of years I don't relate to the experiences you're concerned about. I don't recall any of these members of the bushcraft community ever misleading what the outdoors is like. If anything they've stressed how important knowledge and skills are for your safety. I don't equate bushcraft to strictly an act of emergency survival. From my experience it's been about taking the learning seriously so you can enjoy nature, appreciate history, and stay safe doing it.
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I agree. I’m a 70’s baby and still learning.
Being able to build a fire without a lighter or matches has to be one of the most difficult tasks .
Imagine you find yourself lost in the woods and all you have is a pocket knife. It's cold and damp and you need to keep warm.
What are the chances of starting a fire in that situation ?
Love the Pathfinder School/instructors, have been to that school a few times.
I wouldn't even consider them Bushcrafters really, they're true outdoorsman who can do it all (survival, navigation, Bushcraft, hunting, trapping, fishing etc.)
And that's what Dave Canterbury wants to make out of people through that school, people who can do it all.
New fan of the channel, good stuff!
Thanks, Stoker, for putting this out there. Nothing you said was a lie, just a little criticism. Grown men should be able to take it, with a grain of salt.
What you teach is just as important, if not more so, because what you're teaching are valuable skills to stay alive from the top predators...man.
Cpl Kelly told me I should focus on my goals. I'm still alive. Goal achieved. I don't think we could ever be friends but I can sift through the bs and learn a thing or 2. And it is amusing to hear the traffic in the background.
On the other hand, I was putting up shelters and surviving in the woods before he was born. Same as most of the other guys. But, I don't know everything and am still capable of learning. Or, it can just be entertaining. Lol
However, never forget that they're making a living at this. Or at least supplemental income. And that blind faith will get you dead.
I got to meet Donnie last October. Him and his buddy, took me back in the woods and showed me it is possible to do a bow drill fire . In ohios high humidity. He showed me the trick to do it. I still haven't found that yuca plant, That he used . It's not native here, not even in gmas flower bed.
I asked someone when that class was going to be taught. He yelled over to Donnie and said teach him. I'm nobody. He took 30 minutes and showed me. He is a ok guy
Some of the other guys you see. Where they are at doesn't even look like the rest of the state. 88 counties and they found the 1 state Park. Where some of the things. They can pull off. It might be 10 degrees there. But most of the rest of the state is minus 20 in January
Yucca is like cheat code for bow drills lol
Awesome!
when SHTF 90% of affected people do not live near or will have transportation to remote forrests and any small patch of 'woods' will have resources depleted instantly. Seems most of bushcrafters already live in fairly or relatively remote areas
I think one of the bigger problems is that the people watching these videos aren’t practicing walking for 6-8 hours straight wearing a 50lb pack. That’s a reality that people try to escape
I'm lucky that's basically my job, lol. God help everyone who sits at home all day.
@@xionix4 we can only help ourselves you can lead a horse to water…
@@calebholmes6053 ...but it can't stay in a glass kitchen. I know exactly what you mean. :P
GB2 (Josh) did an entire feature length video training series on bugging out. You should watch it
Finding decent bushcraft videos is getting more difficult lately. When you search the term "bushcraft," most of the videos that pop up in your feed aren't even bushcraft videos. The videos that pop up are from those east asians channels who build elaborate houses with pools and use half naked women for the thumbnails. Because they tag it as "bushcraft," that crap gets promoted by UA-cam.
I agree, in that if it takes you away from being tactical, practical, and risk survivability from 2 legged predators in an SHTF situation, then yes absolutly we must be careful to not get to extreme in this area of study and entertainment. It is fun and nothing wrong with learning how to be more comfortable on the land with less weight in your bag.
I have been watching those you mentioned and others and yourself. Many of them have made similar statements as you have said in their earlier videos. I have been watching them for years now and all of them said that "you have to get out and practice this craft. It is not going to happen over night" etc. I watch David West, who does a lot of fire starting videos in his back yard. I even watch south Asian bush craft videos for enjoyment. Of course if you are new to these "bushcrafters" and new to this content, yes I totally understand what you are saying. I guess the only way to address some of this is to have a disclaimer at the beginning of each video? But then you are taking up precious time away from the craft they are sharing for free in most cases. It is up to us viewers to educate and understand what we are watching and ask those questions and learn to question.
I pick and choose the things I want to learn. I have a very hard time getting a fire to STAY burning...most of the time I need to pour a little cooking oil in my wood stove to keep it burning...it always burns up my tinder, but it is never hot or big enough to keep burning through the thicker materials until it comes to the quarter logs...
I also look for ideas i can use here at my homestead. I live in 14 acres of woodland, so i have tried out many cooking stoves outside, from home build out of cans, to bricks, to store bought multi fuel cookers...but i even with the twig stoves I have problems keeping the flame going.
Believe me I have tried to follow directions precisely, to no avail. I have learned to feather sticks, I have learned to make birds nests, and using dry grasses to start fire with! Starting a fire...no problem, keeping it going is a different story altogether...😱
I have several geocaches of "non-perishable" foods because I'm not counting on snares and fishing. Bic, ferro rod, and matches in each. I'm no survivalist, just wanna survive.
I feel ya.
I only got a bow drill fire twice in my life and it was bow drill that was prep for me. Doing the bow drill is a very difficult to do. Wood was prone to glazing. It nothing easy about a bow drill fire for lay man like me. It takes real pros to do a bow drill fire.
You're correct 100%. BC is a hobby and for fun. Some of the skills are legit and used all the time and I do as a backpacker. Most of what the BC community pushes is simply not reality but more of a hobby practicing the old methods. Absolutely nothing wrong with it but it's not practical. By the way I know Dan and Josh and they are both awesome with skills and really great guys.
Sorry, but every video from Corporals corner and from Coalcracker they never imply that any of this is instant. Only that it is possible and it takes hard work. They do talk about not absolutely relying on just one method for whatever. Example, for fire, Shawn frequently says his go to is a simple bic lighter. The other stuff he demonstrates in case you lose your bic lighter, because you need backups. two is one and one is none.
One misconception too many people have, is that those intrepid Mountain Men and early explorers of the west, is that they actually had for the time, some of the best gear they could acquire. From steel knives, hawks and axes, to the best firearms they could get. As for fire making, it seems flint and steel was the name of the game for along time. I have read accounts of explorers with Flint lock rifles, pulling the load and using the flintlock itself to start a fire. I was also told once that to use man made fire starters, like the good old cotton ball and Vaseline was a crutch, but to me, its the easy way to start a fire when I need one in a hurry. I used to teach Wilderness Survival back in the 80's. I know things have changed, but the basic's haven't.
people use the technology available to them, and whittle down to refine their personal kit based on personal preferences. Today we have the luxury of ready access to things like ferro rods and carbon fiber reinforced packframes and with the massive exchange of ideas the internet has made possible, I can sit here in appalachia and see how someone makes fire in Cambodia like theyre in the room showing me firsthand. Id bet any amount of money that if 18th century longhunters could go get a jar of vaseline and bag of cotton from the drug store and make months of fire starters for the price of some pocket change, they would. I think its important to learn old methods, and being able to teach kids how to make a fire with a bow drill or flint and steel is a very profound joy. But one of the luxuries we have today is being able to reach for a ferro rod or a lighter and know those will work barring some catastrophe, and having that as a backup.
With that said, I cant stand plastic garbage and a lot of the soulless, skillless junk thats flooded the market and will happily stick to a carved wooden spoon, with a cup burned and burnished with river sand and a handle covered in ivory off a destroyed piano, even if its not perfect, over a soulless stamped titanium one any day of the week.
The channels you mention are also very clear that these skills are for fun, for conserving consumables, and for worst case scenarios.
They all say things like, "in an emergency, just use a lighter. Make sure to carry one and make sure to carry ready-made tinder."
Same thing for all of the other skills they teach.
One other channel you might enjoy was actually recommended by Corporal's Corner, that channel being Ranger Survival and Field Craft.
He is good at blending your school of thought with some bushcraft techniques, and he also make some videos geared specifically to military SERE.
I watch and enjoy watching all of them and many more. I think most of the people watching their videos or reading their books understand that what these bushcrafters are presenting us with are ideas, and their cumulative knowledge. We all understand that skills take someone showing and/or explaining to us the techniques used to eventually master them. Many of the bushcrafters on UA-cam don’t stick to one skill set, or focus on what’s popular with the mainstream. Look at David Canterbury’s channel as an example. He has videos on a staggering collection or skills, covering too many different topics to even mention. I think what most of the people who subscribe to their channels get what they are searching for. Help with their technique on skills they are practicing, different takes, and ideas on how to do skills, and the passing on of knowledge. Their videos are like a collection of books from which we can choose a topic we’d like to learn more about. I take it for what it is, a generous offering of their wisdom
to inspire us to learn, and improve.
I knew all these skills before i was aware it was even called Bushcraft. I went through the Scouts and the Royal Rangers and spent every waking minute in the outdoors as a kid. Camping Hiking fishing hunting trapping boating you name it, i was doing it. i spent the majority of my youth on an island in south Florida called Peanut Island, long before they turned it into a tourist attraction. Survival skills were just part of living in Florida.
Matches and lighters were useless, if you had a lighter in your pack for longer than a couple weeks it corroded so we all carried flint and steel or a ferro rod but we had the skills to make a bow drill or throw together a fire roll if needs be in a pinch. Even today in my fifties i still sit around outside and keep my skills honed...
As for the guys, i am subscribed to all of them, i dont think get a false sense of security watching their material but i understand the work you have to put in to learn these skills and be proficient in them. But i do understand your point...
As a life long outdoorsman, who is constantly learning new skills. The number one thing I have learned from all the men you have mentioned and more.. is to not put yourself into a bad situation, and if something does happen out of your control to adapt to the situation. Having the skills that everyone teaches is invaluable. Having the mindset to utilize those skills in the modern world is a Saftey net. A lot of what is taught these days is knowledge that has been learned long ago, and in our own way, we are honoring our ancestors. I believe in this day and age, many search for that connection, that yearning to explore, enjoy and treasure the outdoors. We all are lucky to share in that journey. Great video and I especially appreciate how you did not bash anyone. Speaks volumes about your character. Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts.
Well..he did bash..dadgum!
@@figtreeprophecy gotta be able to take a little criticism. Stoker didn't say anything that wasn't true.
Interesting perspective - there are preppers, survivalists, bushcrafters, campers, and hikers - all do outdoor skills. The three you mention grew a large following because they cover a wide range of outdoor skills. But i dont think if you have done one or 30 survivalist/SHTF videos, you are now limited to doing just that type. I would say that doom and gloom preparedness for the end of the world every video probably scares some viewers off. Flip the question around, should only SHTF preppers watch and subscribe to your channel?
Well stoker youve gone and done it now i can see some friendly ribbing coming your way in a solo overnighter in the woods
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I happen to agree. There are many shtf skills left unsaid. That being said. If you want to learn them from UA-cam, you should seek out those niches because of the way the algorithm works. Many of those skills have large followings of their own. Things like canning, celaring, textile crafting, tool making and use, pottery, basket and container making, gardening, land use, water procurement and many more skills. The truth is the responsibility of wisdom falls on each individual. There is a difference between knowledge and wisdom, and that is knowledge is information that is bestowed upon you and wisdom is gained through the application of knowledge.
I think the label Bushcrafter (or survivalist or thru Hiker for that matter) isn't always helpful. Im sure Dave Canterbury said something similar years ago. We have a lot to learn from each other and getting stuck in a mindset isn't great. There's nothing wrong with wanting to lighten your backpack or having a few woodsy skills to make things go smoother on a hike. The only Bushcraft channels I tune out of are the show and tell expensive gear channels. It discourages beginners and having tried and true kit just isn't a thing with these people. You can buy all the expensive gear you want, you will always revert back to the tried and true once you have gotten your boots dirty a few times.
I'm new to these channels, and I follow all three and more. I enjoy learning from them and have begun practicing and crafting my own items and gear. Do I think it will be my saving grace when the SHTF? No, I live where society can implode, and I'll be fine. I'm learning to better enjoy my time in nature. When the fish aren't biting, I can practice my skills in camp. I loved being a scout as a boy and learning bushcraft has helped me to reconnect.
All of the Bushcrafters you mentioned are phenomenal, as well as others in Europe (Shayne of Eagle Ridge Survival among others) and I follow them on social media, but you are correct. We as bushcrafters need to make those changes. To show people the process of gathering materials, drying them out, sharpening a knife/axe……and especially showing failures. No matter how hard we try, sometimes that fire doesn’t start or our tarp tent/lean-to does not look perfect. It’s all part of the process that people need to be shown. And if we need to pull the plug due to safety concerns, that all needs to be seen.
This is why I like Grunt Proof. He doesn't sugarcoat what buggout-out or escape-and-evade would entail. Rather he points out that it's not going to be as straightforward as bushcrafters would have us all believe.
By definition, Bushcraft does NOT equal Survival mode.
Can you use bushcraft skills to help you survive, of course. Are you going to create an elaborate shelter in a life or death survival situation, of course NOT.
Common sense goes a LONG way.
Hello from Oklahoma! Good Video! All true! I'm 63 years young. Several young fellers in our deer camp talk about this "bushcraft" stuff. One evening we were going to grill some hamburgers over our campfire. They mentioned starting the fire with a bow drill. I said have at it. It was around 4p.m. super nice afternoon but windy. We were in a protected spot. They tried, even got close a few times. But at 7p.m. I said I sure am getting hungry. So I pulled my lighter out of my pocket and got the fire going. So, yes it's fun to play with, but be prepared. Those young men learned something, so did I. Thanks for all U do! 👍👍 God Bless!
Oh man, I bet that was a day. I’m sure you have a lot teach anyone who has the desire. 🇺🇸
100% agreed I have mentioned this numerous times ......latest techniques in bushcraft do not mean squat if its an SHTF and I am in the woods w/ my family where I want to be in a shtf is building a like minded community and making sure meds , security( comms , roving patrols , hunting parties , food preps and storage /water storage is in place for my community as well as state of mind ... not playing Jeremiah Johnson ..cheers from a person who .lives in Norther canada for over 50 years
"Grey Bearded Grady" 🤣🤣🤣 Josh - he looks more like a 'Grady' to me as well.🤣🤣🤣 Thank you, to ALL OF YOU content providers for sharing your skills. It's up to the audience to go out and apply the info if they really want to learn the skills. Maybe the problem with Bushcrafters is just their audience.
I couldn’t agree more!!
I remember being in a "tough love" camp somewhere in Utah, as a teenager, and it took me a week to drill a fire, and we didn't even have to make cordage, as they were nice enough to give us a length of nylon. Carving your tools with rocks from a river bed certainly makes things more difficult though. We didn't eat if we didn't make a fire. Not eating for a week is hard. I honestly don't know if I could do all that again.
the entire bushcraft thing kicked off after ray mears did some television shows,and then youtube started paying content creators and social media was a way of income and fame,the industry also attracted product placements and ads for the latest greatest knife or whatever,i think its great that we can share knowledge with each other across time zones and distance,its how we made it out alive from the stone age,and now alot of streamers either quit because youtube doesnt pay small creators and large creators complain more and more because they dont want to get a regular job like the rest of us,to most people being in the forest its just a hobby and it mixes so many genres like hunting fishing trapping hikers bushcrafters preppers etc i think the social media goldrush is over and if you want to create content it should be because you enjoy it and not to earn money.
well said, many people got into all this just to try and earn money, the rush is over so lets see who is still around 5 years from now. , Ray is arguably one of the best there is. he has a true passion for these skills and it shows,
i won't deny the community does suffer from the cursed fate that is greed at times but don't let that detract from the fact that people genuinely love this hobby and if they want to post a video of them enjoying that hobby who are we to judge in the end
@@nikosfilipino it is a great hobby and it is outdoors so that is a win win in my book.
For me I try to take what is taught and use it my real world.
Pace count from the parking lot to the store door. 0:30 0:30 What direction from the door. No loosing the car.
Starting a fire in wet conditions burning a stump and tree that tipped over with methods learned.
I hear ya Top. These guys really put out some really good stuff. I’ve watched em for several years now and have learned a lot. Of course,the skills that they and you demonstrate are very useful AND fun. Making spoons and stuff can be a lot of fun to do around camp with the family. But all the skills that YAL present takes practice. I think most of us know that. Good one Top.
From top to another - I appreciate that. 👊
Corporals Corner with Mr Shawn Kelly is the beat. Theres nobody better.
You have to be willing to learn everything you can on how to survive. Put what you learn in the Military with what you learn from family like I did that grew up during The depression years I grew up learning how to grow food and Canning food hunting harvesting meat and raising meat I learned how to shoot from time I was a little kid and I also learned a lot of things in the military if you think you’re too old to learn anything then you’ve stop living because you never too old to learn something new. You are doing a great job top!
Charles, I’d love to spend some time with ya - I have no doubt your experiences and knowledge are priceless!
Charles you are 100% correct. I am always the student learning as many skills in as many areas I can and it has served me well as I am a old Medicine woman / Shaman exploring the remote Indigenous people of the world learning as much as I can. You never know when some of the knowledge/wisdom what comes in handy. Ware I live you can't go live in the woods as the fire towers will see you with Infrared and hey Campfire /cooking smoke. That's why I want to get back the the jungle and practice making fishing nets before ( not I Watch the video or read a book) Hands on practical skills muscle memory. Gorilla proof equipment. Remember Murphy is always there as your Equipment sinks to the bottom of the river when your dugout Canoe sinks. Been there. Living of the land works best with a tribe / Village, Where each person can do the jobs they are good at and learn the others slowly. Survival is very difficult alone. Be safe and enjoy life its short. Ps Tell you have muscle memory on a skill Keep practicing.
@@STOKERMATIC I still can learn a lot from you Top.
Bush crafting is at its essence learning how to problem solve to potentially save your life one day. I don’t think anyone is under any fallacy that if you’re not putting time in the field you’re probably at best going to be mediocre with these types of skills. However, there are many ways to practice some of these things right in the garage and around the house.
End of the day, those that you mentioned, are teachers, and their skills are their bread and butter. Like you said, they are all VERY good at what they do-but, they are all instructors, and, at least in part, they are there to sell themselves. That doesnt take away from their skillsets in the least. In fact, they demonstrate how well they know their subject matter through their videos. When it comes down to it, HOW you learn the skills though, isnt as important as knowing them. I personally see bushcraft as a sort of chance to practice skills, and hone techniques. Its funny, I used to want to run a school, way back in the 90s, and me and a couple of Army buddies were looking at it-but there was no real interest in "survival schools" back then. I was taught basic stuff in the military, and used to teach cold weather survival stuff in the national guard (I used to be a mountaineer, and, somehow, that translated into me being the cold weather instructor).
End of the day, in a REAL SHTF scenario-you are going to go with the simplest, easiest choice for whatever task is at hand. My army survival training instructor, when we were doing bow drill fires, flat out stated that, if it comes down to you having to make a fire with a bow drill-you are so far fucked, it really doesnt matter if you get a fire going or not, lol. And, reality is, he is right. If its down to me having to make fire with a shoe string and sticks-shit went sideways.
For the record, I did get a successful fire with the bowdrill. However, I have not done one since, and that was in 1989...I always have a lighter AND matches on me though. Rather be prepared myself :)
Good stuff.
To me you are barking up the wrong tree my friend, I believe they all have taken great care to make it clear that it takes practice and patience to perfect the skills for success. This translates to about everything we do to improve ourselves on many levels. Surviving 5,000 years ago many of these would have been life or death skills that had to be learned on in fact shown to someone else. I sincerely hope that none of us find ourselves any situation where we would have to rely on these techniques for survival, but if we do i will be thankful that I can "rub two sticks together to make a fire" for sure. JMHO!
I have been following Shawn for a very long time,and he is the real deal and them some...as far as using Bic lighters to start fires anyone with at least half a brain,should know that in sudden weather changes or the kind of climate you find yourself in,if it's pouring buckets of rain or your in a sudden snow storm,primitive fire building isn't the way to go..who gives a shit if a Bic lighter isn't primitive isn't getting warm and drying your shit out the main goal...if there's one thing I cannot stand is people pissing on other people's content and using what they do in their own to gain views..instead show your own bushcraft skills...
I’ve always been told…… If you don’t have something nice to say, don’t say anything at all.
Sean Kelly complaining about the algorithm in every video is annoying.
I can speak directly about Shawn Kelly as I not only subscribe but have attended his classes on survival. One of his foundation blocks is ensuring you have the 5/10 Cs covered in a survival situation and drills subscribers on how those tools can keep you alive. Which is the goal. It’s simple and effective and builds confidence to anyone who watches, learns, tries and practices.
big fan of all these guys you’ve mentioned. Have been subscribed to them since they have started. I’ll tell you there’s one channel I will not be subscribing to lol.
I really do enjoy their content, relaxing and informative. I’ve also spent a good portion of my life in the bush, (the Canadian Rockies) So it’s great to see different perspectives and different skills in different areas. I’d much prefer a short video and to the point, I’m fine with trial and error on my own.
I’ve also created my own content on UA-cam. I’m not that great at it but I do understand what’s going on. Using their pictures in your thumbnail it’s like riding off their coat tails. and then taking a shot at them with with a couple of your comments shows your true character. good luck with your channel.
People seem to confuse bushcraft with survival. While they do have crossovers they are not the same thing. You can be ether one or both, and some of the ideas you seemed to have talked about here are more survival based ideas. I do agree that some of the skills such as bow drill are overhyped and not practical for everyone.
But the thing about bushcraft is that it is a mix of skills modern and primitive. Take it and make it your own. There are many ways for each and every craft and there are many other channels that do show these other methods.
Yes,you never see them fail and that's how most of us learn ,try and try again Just once or even twice I would like to see how that sweat equity really works.thanks.
I follow some folks in IG who have been doing a great job lately of posting their struggles. I value that a lot.
You really don’t get it. These guys do go out for days at a time. It’s there passion which I don’t think you have.
A lot of people do this because it’s relaxing for them.
I don’t think you realize that we need both sides and they can be combined.
Good points Stoker!
The only danger I see is inexperienced viewers thinking they can watch some videos and then wander 3 miles in. 🤔 plenty of overconfident people had to be rescued from the state park near my home. Lost on 300 acres. There are some channels I enjoy for the entertainment value. They make a good show. But I haven't found any that have the conversations you have. You do stand apart! Your skills rock too!
Thanks for all you do Sir!
Enjoy the journey and stay STOKED
Doing what I can brother. 🥃👊🇺🇸
I have watched these videos to help me do particular knots. How to make a safe fire. MCQ bushcraft and Paul Kirtley helped me with these things. I have to walk in my water for a mile for a 6 day woodland camp then bring my pack in which is 3 miles in total. because there is no water source there. but I have the while woodland to myself and no one knows I have been there. cotton balls is my tinder because I have no interest in bow drilling. I just want to be in nature. thank you for your realistic views on this . take care buddy.
Man, that’s awesome. There is something about exploring the untamed wilderness. 🥃
You made a whole video of other peoples content. Instead us stealing everyone’s content you should come up with your own. Those guys are awesome so take note
I hope you catch some. If not, we will part ways in agreement that they make awesome content.
I kinda agree with this fella, he is not wrong. He is just a regular dude like he said he was that wants to see the whole experience on building a fire. That is why these bushcrafters give classes, but we all know they are not cheap. So I guess it comes to the individual to start using that little knowledge and applying it in the field.
I am subscribed to many bush-craft channels and enjoy them. To me the purpose of teaching, learning and practising bush-craft skills is so that you have something to fall back on when in a shtf situation and all your favourite survival toys are not available for what ever reason. A bow-drill will never be my goto method for starting a fire but it will be a good thing to be skilled and practised in when your lighter and other means of fire starting are gone. Bushcraft is like an insurance policy. If you want to see someone give a more realistic demonstration of using a bow drill, in a sort of survival situation, taking a dozen attempts or so over around eight hours watch some of Les Stroud's early Survivourman series.
Like many on here, I grew up on a farm and know what hard work is. I'm now in my fifties and a honest days work would kill me. I can't do the things I used to and know that it probably takes all day to shoot a 30 minute video. The thing that I have taken away from the bushcraft videos is inspiration. What I'm talking about is this. I live in the suburbs now . I get out in my yard a tinker with things and after getting into the bushcraft mindset, it inspires me to look at problems with a can do mindset. Like, what is my mower won't start or growing bucket garden. It has helped me to look at problems and play with ideas of how to fix it at the minimal cost or by getting rid of junk that I don't or haven't used in years. I got into backyard cooking. I can remember growing up in the mountains of East Tennessee and we would hit the lake and build a fire and stay out coon hunting all night. Of course I was younger then also. I think this video was long over due and well said.
Well I've listened to you twice. I really don't care if Sean Kelly is 100 meters off a road way.
It's also clear to me you didn't watch to many of his videos.
I also don't appreciate you telling me what I'm thinking. I watch corporals corner, Self reliance outfitters to learn about how to tie knots correctly. How to set up different types of shelters configuration. How to stay warm, build fires using what nature offers me, and yes in what could be an emergency situation. Their videos are instructional how too. But what underlines it all is get out there practice these fundamental skills and have fun with it. Turn off the phone. Challenge yourself. Do it with your friends. Sean Kelly did videos using inexpensive gear from Walmart. He explained that some people may not have a lot of money on top of the line gear. But you can still challenge yourself. If you're interested in spending more time outdoors. You can slowly switch out better gear over time.
So I say this to you. Instead of trying to tell me what they are not. Or trying to tell me what I'm thinking. Why don't you call up selfreliance outfitters and the pathfinder school and find out for yourself just what they are. Then perhaps I would take what you say a bit more seriously. Until then have a nice day and be prepared. Or if you like like the coastguard says. Always ready.
“Simon a bloke in the woods,” from the UK…excellent also,and multifaceted, gosh he sewed his own Bakers tent,….keep up the good work!
Jack of all trades master of none always better than a master of one .
You're right I tried make a fire with bow drill and I failed after many try. It was also hard find the specific type of wood and work it. I am sure that it's possible lit a fire with friction but in a survival situation is much better have a lighter
I watch those dudes when I want to learn how to make a spoon from a twig , but I want to learn to stay alive first or that spoon don't mean shit.
I don’t think everybody understands what he was saying. Is there away to survive that would be more productive. All of bushcraft is time consuming. In a real situation you might have time. You will not be able to get a bow drill built if you do not have the skill already. You will not have access to a bic lighter if you do not have one already. What are we really going to do off grid with no supplies and no knowledge of bushcraft. Bushcraft like anything you have learned in life. Has to be practiced. I can flip a hamburger. I cannot operate a cashier machine or process a cow. A cow is not going to stand there and let you kill it with your hand. What are we going to do????
I bet you’ve never even spent a night in the woods, you are basically Bear Grylls.
I appreciate your time and energy.
@@STOKERMATIC and I appreciate how you are uniting the bushcraft community against you for clicks and views since you can’t do anything yourself. It’s good to understand that there are people like you so jealous of others they feel the need to create clickbait content to desperately try and steal subs.
The funniest thing...the "big 3" in the US he mentioned are all students of Dave Canterbury but he didn't mention Dave lol
I find it amazing that he's complaining about the content of their channels, when they have up to 30 times or more subscribers than him. They also get 10 times more views on the videos up to 100 times. The stuff that he's complaining about doesn't happen in their videos and these people do this for a living or at least teach it for a living. What does he do? Complain and ride their Fame to get more views on videos
Or…there’s more to the story.
I watch a couple of these channels you've mentioned and they talk about the more modern methods. Don't think I've heard them dissing more modern methods rather stating that if/when these fail or you don't have a tool that these are tried and true methods that is good to have in your back pocket. Just like the scouts or military you have to keep your skills sharp.