*EDIT: MInor error in my video script. What I meant to say is that for BDK: the MORE bone shield stacks, the LESS at risk the BDK is at dropping to 0 stacks - at which the BDK will get chunked. As some of you have pointed out, there is no armor gains beyond 1 stack of bone shield.* | Separate note: TWW Class WeakAuras and Plater are being updated. Don't worry you will have it in time for pre-patch and expansion launch respectively.
@johnconti2262 yeah - i realized this a while back - tracked my armor with stacks and things didnt alter. The stacks just essentially act as uptime for the armor buff
You have been making my life in mythic+ dungeons so much easier for over a year, seen tons of your videos and I just wanted to say THANK YOU. And thanks to all your patreons for making your content posible as it is today.
just know that they should never die.. extremely important to top off /renew bone shield on the last mob in between pulls. being that they control the pack size as well no reason to die as blood dk.
Blood DK have a talent "Will of the necropolis" that reduces dmg taken by 35% when they are below 30%. This talent alone is maddening for a healer. Because from a blood dk pov, if your cheat death is still ready, you kinda want to dip below 30% as the 35% damage mitigation is super strong. So the tank may rather press a runic power generator at 30% health if he knows he'll survive it, as the followup deathstrike will bring you back to full anyway. But from the healer pov it looks like your tank is on the brink of death :/
@@Raynhardx i dont get why healers are stressed so much out about BDKs. Everytime i got one in M+ its like a huge relief, because i can focus more on the DPS. Just watch at their runic power. If they have a lot of it, they are good. If they drop low and dont have enough runic power to cast - heal them asap worked all the time so far
This should also be required viewing for tanks, you explain the inner workings so clearly! This video was a lovely brush-up/ memory jogger for me on the tanks I havent played recently! Thank you!
when it comes to Quality content Quazi is with no doubts Number 1 . Clean content in every aspect . how he explain talks and edit videos is super pro . TY sir for putting this much effort into ur work
Great video. As a new player the only note I would have for Blood DK, is for healers to watch for any dot stacks draining health with no enemies in the vicinity of the blood dk to heal off of. I'd say a good chunk of my deaths are dodging a mechanic that also deals AOE/pulsing group damage (like Blazehoof in Ruby), but I have no enemies in range to heal off of. Usually when I'm asking for a heal it's because of this scenario or my defensives are on CD.
Excellent video as always; unique video from healer to tank PoV. One thing tho-- prot pallies can pre-load their holy power before pull, so they should have righteous shield up before first pull.
A couple notes about bdk 1)Bone shield does no directly reduce damage beyond the first stack, a talent(that isn't always taken, but usually) increases your max health for each stack you have, which is good, but not a damage reduction. The important thing for a bdk is to be at or above 5 stacks, where they get a benefit that lowers the cost of deathstrike 2)I might have missed this, but lichborne wasn't mentioned. You can(and as far as I'm aware SHOULD) always talent into the damage reduction on lichborne, it's only a 15% DR, but 15% is better than 0% and sometimes, all the tank needs is a 15% dr 3)Tombstone isn't used for the absorb shield, it's used for the the other benefits, some runic power, but mainly 2 talents, shattering bone and insatiable blade. The former makes you do AoE damage for each bone shield stack you lose(and its not a small amount, especially when you lose 5 with tombstone). The latter giving cooldown reduction on dancing rune weapon for each bone shield stack you lose(which we are losing 5 on the press, giving us 25 seconds off of dancing rune weapon). Tombstone is an offensive button to be used the moment it comes off cd and can reduce rune weapons cooldown by more than 10 seconds usually. otherwise, good video, I play a mistweaver so it's nice to hear what to do for some of the other tanks I don't play
Quazii, just hearing your breakdowns has been getting me more and more excited for my return to wow in TWW. Thank you so much for your previous Ui breakdowns as well. Question for you, My plan is to run DK, prot warrior, and DH as my tanks, any advice on maintaining multiple tank classes? How best to delineate time & resources? I know this is a subjective circumstance, but knowing you have experience with the topic, I wanted to run it by you. Keep at it, mate. 💯
As a Blood DK, my healer friend I often ran with got sick of wasting healing on me, so he ended up finding an addon or Weakaura or something that showed my him RP and also let him know about how many Death Strikes I could do. It might have also estimated about how much of my hp a Death Strike would heal, but I'm not sure about that. It definitely helped.
as a BDK Main i thank you to spread awareness on runicpower, boneshield and especially at pulls. A BDK is fine with dancing runeweapon or vampiric blood up and with 6+ Boneshield stacks.
As others have commented, if a blood DK is good the only time you interact with them is when using an exteral, preferably at pull when they are weakest or during a tankbuster. Adding to the video that if the dk is not in range of the mobs and is dying to debuff or casts he cant heal so that is the only situation when you would direct heal them. Tracking shield/runic power will tell you if he manages ressources well.
I might be being an idiot right now - but regarding bdk bone shield - the extra charges give you a sort of resistance to losing the buff (i.e. you can take more melee hits before the buff is consumed/reduced) + you get reduced RP cost of death strike above 5 stacks of bone shield... but I think the armour value of Bone Shield remains constant no matter how many stacks you have, right? (Just to clarify as you mentioned that from a healing perspective the more stacks they have, the less damage they will take)
Well unless they're using foul bulwark which increases total health per boneshield charge so the damage taken by comparison to their total health will fluctuate but they're gonna be spiking all the time anyway
Yeah, I was about to comment the same thing. As a healer, knowing if the DK has Bone Shield up at all can be useful, but in reality, a good DK should never take hits without any Bone Shield stacks up. It can be sort of useful to know if the DK has to build BS stacks by using Marrowrend, which generates less Runic Power, but that not really worth obsessing about.
Stack count also only helps with things like Tombstone and Bonestorm as well. 100% right as the armor and haste value is the same at 1 stack to 10 (12 in TWW if talented).
Brewmasters have good self healing now but it is hard to knwo for sure as they have the orbs that they can use to self heal and can get big self chunks of healing. They also have some active mitigation with stagger called shuffel that means that the percent of damage they stagger increases, but can be 100%
Blood DK can also get stacks of boneshield by popping slappy hands right before the keystone is activated. Use it again to round up the first pull and you’ve got full stacks of boneshield and only have to worry about getting enough runic power to death strike.
Least favorite tank to heal is blood dk. The health bar ping pong often is crazy, especialy at the start of pulls. And you just can't ignore it in pugs, so you end up overhealing/wasting mana/cds/gcd a lot.
Absolutely fantastic video. I might have missed it, or it wasn't in scope, but what's the addon/tracking beneath the target bar around 2:54? I'm interested in a better want to see what's coming up :3
Thanks a lot, myself having several tanks and close to a 3k rio. My current favorits are the DH and the Pala, because esp. in PUGs you don't have to rely so much on the gameplay of the others, esp. interrupts. Also to mentioned, I allways prefer the build with better survibilty rather doing a bit more dmg. Why? You can pull bigger and/or your healer can do more dmg because he must heal you less. Esp. when you have such things such as a cheap death. Don't understand why some players don't use this, maybe with exception you are in a well coordinated group and using verbal communication (Except top level, where they trained hours over overs to perform their pulls perfectly). And yes, there is a trinket, but overall I prefer a decent good dmg trinket or even a 2nd deff trinket. Currently using a combination from Fyrak.
is it true where if a healer heals the BDK it takes away from what the deathstrike would have healed? meaing the game acts like you took less dmg the you did cuz you were healed in turn causing the ds to heal less? i was told this a few years ago idk if it was true but i assmed it was true
You missed a few points on VDH. They also give out a stacking debuff (frailty) on enemies which reduces damage they take. They also can talent (Fel Flame Fortification) into their immo aura reducing damage by 10%. Additionally, another talent (Calcified Spikes) provides falling off damage reduction when deamon spikes wears off. Aside from Metamorphosis, no single defensive is strong. What VDH does to tank is overlap all of these defenses in addition to constant self healing. This means that your point of tanks being weakest on a pull is especially true of VDH. If their demon spikes, immo aura, and sigil of flame are on cooldown while pulling the next pack they are very squishy! Good VDH will hold off using those spells at the end of a mob pack so that they can use them in the next pull.
Outside can help also depends how hard you got hit to be put into purg. I’ve used healing pots and hearthstone to come out of it before while kiting etc
Just a correction for VDH: between demon spikes, fiery brand, and metamorphosis, it is generally not too difficult to maintain 100% uptime on some active mitigation. Baseline demon spikes uptime is ~40%+ (6s duration 15s cd, 2 charges), increasing to ~80% with extended spikes and 1/2 feed the demon. 2/2 ftd alone is enough to have 100% spikes uptime in aoe, which you will have if you run Last Resort. Fiery brand uptime is generally ~30%. More if you run Down in Flames, but most DH run double sigil instead this season almost always (though they will not in TWW). Meta uptime is also ~35%. Worst case scenario you have 35+30+40=105% uptime, assuming no spikes uptime talents. This requires you to be very diligent about not overlapping your mitigation buttons while also pressing everything on cooldown, which is why most VDH run some combination of extended spikes and/or feed the demon. Doing so makes it not too difficult to always have something up.
@@JustinFerguson-k6e prove it. Or really feel free to give any evidence whatsoever besides claiming title (like that matters lol...) Brand with immo extension will generally last 20+ seconds on a 1 minute cooldown. 20/60=33%. Fel dev with dgb gives 7 seconds of meta (2s channel + 5s after the channel) every 28 seconds on average (40s cd with 20-40% cdr from dgb is 30% on average. 30% of 40s is 12s. 40s-12s=28s), which is 25% alone. Plus your 2 minute meta, which is 15s every 2 minutes, and we are well over 30%. Spikes is harder and depends on talents. 6s duration 15s cd is 40% easily. You also get 2 charges and it cycles out of combat, so 40% is a lower bound. Extended spikes makes this 8s/15s which is over 50%. Ftd gives 0.25s cdr per soul consumed per point. DH typically consumes 50+ souls per minute overall, and commonly 70-80 in aoe. This shortens the cooldown to be closer to 10s on average, a bit less even in aoe So where do you take issue?
@@JustinFerguson-k6ebro said it like there isn’t probably 300+ title veng dh. It’s free title lol, i played with some truly horrendous tanks who got title on veng, same as Druid season before, no skill needed. Broken passive tankiness
I really wish tank defensives were tracked by default. I like to play with as few add-ons as possible since inevitably they all break at some point and I hate figuring out what broke and why. Being a healer for so long, I just kind of intuitively know what each tank feels like to heal, but I would like to see their cooldowns and mitigation anyway for moments when someone messes up or the beginning of expansions when damage patterns are still new and unknown.
Couple things you missed that healers have to watch for on prot pala, our mana bar, Word of Glory costs whopping 10% mana to cast, if we're oom, we're fucked and our dispell costs the same amount of mana. Tracking shinning light is equally as important as tracking holy power itself, it's a buff that lets us cast WoG for 0 holy power(still at mana cost tho). Letting us be primary source of kicks in situations with one mob that needs kicks is really strong too as we are granted a holy power per each succesful interrupt with punishment class talent node(including avenger's shield interrupts). We have plenty of damage reduction options but we're limited on healing via our mana and holy power.
You are probably misplaying a fair bit if you are running out of mana just from word of glory. Only time I ever went oom is on atal dazar dispelling on cd pretty much ontop of the heals
@@Dilllll26 I never said how often it happens bro, just if it does that's a thing they need to watch for, you need like 15wogs in a row to oom, but add dispelling on CD and its half that time. My point basically is during week 1 you can possibly oom if you have to either cast wog every 5seconds or wog and dispell every 10s you'll oom in 1min 40seconds, any more frequent you'll oom a bit faster. But it's only ever a case in very undergeared when you actually need to heavily spam wog and it's a poison/disease heavy dungeon.
@@Speedymeele but it happens so rarely that there is no point to track it, if you play properly you rarely wog without shining light unless in wings. It is a misplay, even in high atal Tyra dispelling every round of the disease wasn’t needed and only a bonus
@@Dilllll26 Ye but that's same as situation when bdk doesn't have rp to death strike, once per blue moon and that was mentioned so in justice this should too.
Hey I think this is a good place for it, Now its just the way Bdk works and MW works as well. Bdk is very bad about eating your Mastery of Harmony Vitality in TWW. Just a thing i think Monks need to know.
If you're meaning 16+ keys then I can't comment as I've only done some 15s and blood shield is usually twice as much healing as death strike. At my lvl BDK is less spikey then my brewmaster.
Dunno you definitely need them at times on prot pal, with bad healers it can be hard to keep up your mitigation if they don’t assist you once in awhile, which is essentially insta death in high keys. This is why i much preferred monk over disc last season
I came here to see if I can do something for DH. I only do 10s, but it feels like healers have no say in a tank living or not this xpac and I have trust issues with DHs. I hate healing them. They are either gods, or usually, yeet 1 million miles away and die every pull. There is no in between. I quit inviting them to my keys and will take any other tank class.
0% chance I'm adding ANOTHER thing to track just for blood dk. I've healed since vanilla and I track everything else but if you, a blood dk, run out of RP and die because you didn't press one of your own 8 defensives and manage to die through your CHEAT DEATH, that is a you problem, not a me problem because I didn't track it. Bloods the most difficult tank for a reason and if you f up and don't death strike, that's on you. If I mess up and don't press my healing button at the right time that's my fault but the tank isn't tracking my heals either, is he?
Tips for healing blood DK: Don't. You will only need to use external defensives. Blood DKs take 15-35% more damage than every other tank while above 35% HP. They should be healing themselves. They should never have 0 bone shield charges opr defensives. If they do, put on an external. Thats it.
funny thing about purgatory, if the bdk has runic power you can probably still ignore them. They should be able to get themselves out of the heal absorb with death strike. If they're out of rp, then your heals likely aren't going to make the difference (outside of heals like lay on hands maybe)
Dks don't get tankier the more bone shield stacks they have, 1 stack of bone shield will provide the same ammount of armor as 10 stacks. Also there's no point in a healer keeping up with the bone shield uptime on a dk, because the dk should have BS up at all times, if a dk lets the BS stacks drop they will die on the next gcd and there's no healer who can do anything about that, unless the dk is massivily overgeared for the content. By far the best way a healer can help a DK is by applying dmg reduction buffs like earth shield or pain supression. Direct healing/shielding on a BDK does so little difference on whetever they will live or die that it's hardly worth the gcd.
Then by this standard they don't really have to keep track on warrior Shieldblock and Ignore pain since a good warrior always floating between 40-80 rage, and aim about 95% uptime. Just throw a constant little heal/HOT since it will be a very stable drop on warrior.
What are you even talking about? I feel like a got a little dumber by that comment but let me try to reply to what I made out of it: Bone shield isn't an active mitgation like warrior' shield block or ignore pain, that you compare it to them shows you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, try to restrain yourself from doing that again in the future for your own benefit. If you wanna compare bone shield to something a warrior has then it's more like the very shield the warrior is equiping on it's off hand, the actual piece of equipment, healers don't keep track of wheter or not a warrior is equiping a shield or not, it simply's gotta be there, at all times, if for some reason it isn't at some point in time the warrior will simply drop dead in a single gcd, and so will the DK if lets bone shield drop. Keeping bone shield up doesn't take pretty much any experience nor practice, it's super easy to keep up, if for some reason a DK has trouble keeping it up at all times then he's got no place on mythic dungeons, heroics might even be too far for them.
Depends on the level of key youre doing I suppose. Good luck surviving a (new) +12 or higher pug with no healer. I hear you though. Lower key levels, tanks are broken. I finished the last 30% on the last boss in an (old) +16 AD on my VDH. I'm hoping healers get more urgency in TWW.
TLDR: Tank doesnt need a healer. Tanks are completely off the rails broken and only need the rest of the party to speed up clear time. 40 minutes saved yw.
Imagine being a RSham and having this (very well thought out and informative) guide tell you when to use your external defensive cooldowns. They don't even have a defensive for themselves, lol.
Rsham brings passive DR with earthshield talent. Very good for BM monk. Will probably benefit the tank more over the course of a dungeon than something like bark or gs.
How to heal tanks, any tank: ignore them. All of them without question have been completely broken and too much mitigations, self healing or any other kind of way to survive made them the ultimate cockroaches nowadays. Even those who supposedly have been in the shit (like monks) could self heal stupid amounts, what was killing them was one shot dmg that would kill any other person anyways.
This is more in prep of new xpansion when tanks are at their weakest due to loss of secondary stats for uptime of their active mitigations and effective cds on their defensives(anger management, righteous protector, bone shield cdr for DRW, sigil cdr, etc). Haste helps a metric shit ton with defensive flow on 3 plate tanks and vdh, no clue about bear cause i refuse to play bear personally and brew doesn't really like haste but crit works wonders for the self healing capabilities(celestial fortune).
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*EDIT: MInor error in my video script. What I meant to say is that for BDK: the MORE bone shield stacks, the LESS at risk the BDK is at dropping to 0 stacks - at which the BDK will get chunked. As some of you have pointed out, there is no armor gains beyond 1 stack of bone shield.* | Separate note: TWW Class WeakAuras and Plater are being updated. Don't worry you will have it in time for pre-patch and expansion launch respectively.
Came here as a BDK main to say this, but was beaten to it
@johnconti2262 yeah - i realized this a while back - tracked my armor with stacks and things didnt alter. The stacks just essentially act as uptime for the armor buff
Could also note though if using Foul Bulwark more stacks = more health = safer.
To that seperate note: We all love you so much! = )
You have been making my life in mythic+ dungeons so much easier for over a year, seen tons of your videos and I just wanted to say THANK YOU. And thanks to all your patreons for making your content posible as it is today.
TBH for as a healer, I figured out how to deal with Blood DK. I just remove them from the frames. Their frame is too much stress for me.
just know that they should never die.. extremely important to top off /renew bone shield on the last mob in between pulls. being that they control the pack size as well no reason to die as blood dk.
Noooo, BDK love a mit on certain pulls if they have no bone shield stacks.
hahahahahha so true
Blood DK have a talent "Will of the necropolis" that reduces dmg taken by 35% when they are below 30%. This talent alone is maddening for a healer. Because from a blood dk pov, if your cheat death is still ready, you kinda want to dip below 30% as the 35% damage mitigation is super strong. So the tank may rather press a runic power generator at 30% health if he knows he'll survive it, as the followup deathstrike will bring you back to full anyway. But from the healer pov it looks like your tank is on the brink of death :/
@@Raynhardx i dont get why healers are stressed so much out about BDKs.
Everytime i got one in M+ its like a huge relief, because i can focus more on the DPS.
Just watch at their runic power. If they have a lot of it, they are good. If they drop low and dont have enough runic power to cast - heal them asap
worked all the time so far
Thanks for making this video. You cover important topics that I don’t see anywhere else. Can’t wait for the tank buster video.
Quazii... you are absolutely CRUSHING it lately!!! What great video!
love the channel, always top notch content
This should also be required viewing for tanks, you explain the inner workings so clearly! This video was a lovely brush-up/ memory jogger for me on the tanks I havent played recently! Thank you!
when it comes to Quality content Quazi is with no doubts Number 1 . Clean content in every aspect . how he explain talks and edit videos is super pro . TY sir for putting this much effort into ur work
Great video. As a new player the only note I would have for Blood DK, is for healers to watch for any dot stacks draining health with no enemies in the vicinity of the blood dk to heal off of. I'd say a good chunk of my deaths are dodging a mechanic that also deals AOE/pulsing group damage (like Blazehoof in Ruby), but I have no enemies in range to heal off of. Usually when I'm asking for a heal it's because of this scenario or my defensives are on CD.
Excellent video as always; unique video from healer to tank PoV. One thing tho-- prot pallies can pre-load their holy power before pull, so they should have righteous shield up before first pull.
A couple notes about bdk
1)Bone shield does no directly reduce damage beyond the first stack, a talent(that isn't always taken, but usually) increases your max health for each stack you have, which is good, but not a damage reduction. The important thing for a bdk is to be at or above 5 stacks, where they get a benefit that lowers the cost of deathstrike
2)I might have missed this, but lichborne wasn't mentioned. You can(and as far as I'm aware SHOULD) always talent into the damage reduction on lichborne, it's only a 15% DR, but 15% is better than 0% and sometimes, all the tank needs is a 15% dr
3)Tombstone isn't used for the absorb shield, it's used for the the other benefits, some runic power, but mainly 2 talents, shattering bone and insatiable blade. The former makes you do AoE damage for each bone shield stack you lose(and its not a small amount, especially when you lose 5 with tombstone). The latter giving cooldown reduction on dancing rune weapon for each bone shield stack you lose(which we are losing 5 on the press, giving us 25 seconds off of dancing rune weapon). Tombstone is an offensive button to be used the moment it comes off cd and can reduce rune weapons cooldown by more than 10 seconds usually.
otherwise, good video, I play a mistweaver so it's nice to hear what to do for some of the other tanks I don't play
Extra note there is a weak aura that can tell you how much Runic power a BDK has that can help with the visual if you don't see the bar well
tombstone is used for the absorb wdym?? its both an offensive and defensive ability, just like DRW
You are definitely wrong on tombstone, it is very strong against big tankbusters and definitely worth holding for a short time if one is coming up
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Thanks for amazing content as always ❤
the only time I interact with a blood DK is putting bark on them
What about priests, pres evoker and more?
@@sascho755 As Holy priest, I drop a GS at start to prevent a Purg proc and then worry about them afterwards.
@@sascho755 pugged with a blood dk all season 1. if you're playing disc, PW:S and a pain sup is usually enough.
@@CalvinHavenerthats what I meant👌
Thank you for all your dedication on making these videos my friend, you are a legend!
As a tank I do love to watch this stuff to understand what I'm putting my healers through haha
Quazii, just hearing your breakdowns has been getting me more and more excited for my return to wow in TWW.
Thank you so much for your previous Ui breakdowns as well.
Question for you, My plan is to run DK, prot warrior, and DH as my tanks, any advice on maintaining multiple tank classes? How best to delineate time & resources?
I know this is a subjective circumstance, but knowing you have experience with the topic, I wanted to run it by you.
Keep at it, mate. 💯
Cell has a pretty good defense section that can show some of those fields. Love your work!
As a Blood DK, my healer friend I often ran with got sick of wasting healing on me, so he ended up finding an addon or Weakaura or something that showed my him RP and also let him know about how many Death Strikes I could do. It might have also estimated about how much of my hp a Death Strike would heal, but I'm not sure about that. It definitely helped.
as a BDK Main i thank you to spread awareness on runicpower, boneshield and especially at pulls. A BDK is fine with dancing runeweapon or vampiric blood up and with 6+ Boneshield stacks.
@@txdmsk well, it can run out during pulls, for example when the group has to wait for someone who released after he died etc.
As others have commented, if a blood DK is good the only time you interact with them is when using an exteral, preferably at pull when they are weakest or during a tankbuster.
Adding to the video that if the dk is not in range of the mobs and is dying to debuff or casts he cant heal so that is the only situation when you would direct heal them.
Tracking shield/runic power will tell you if he manages ressources well.
This is literally only time I die. When I'm outside melee range and cant generate RP. No RP, no healing.
hey. great video and explanation. maybe you could add spell ids in the next guide, when talking about buffs and defensives a lot.
Excellent video, thank you for this information. As a healer I knew some of this but not all of it.
Man I wish there was a comprehensive BDK guide for war within, I really want to try them as a first tank but they look really intimidating.
“Saving it for the next expansion” had me 🤣🤣
these videos are always helpful before coming back to play
I might be being an idiot right now - but regarding bdk bone shield - the extra charges give you a sort of resistance to losing the buff (i.e. you can take more melee hits before the buff is consumed/reduced) + you get reduced RP cost of death strike above 5 stacks of bone shield... but I think the armour value of Bone Shield remains constant no matter how many stacks you have, right? (Just to clarify as you mentioned that from a healing perspective the more stacks they have, the less damage they will take)
Well unless they're using foul bulwark which increases total health per boneshield charge so the damage taken by comparison to their total health will fluctuate but they're gonna be spiking all the time anyway
Yeah, I was about to comment the same thing. As a healer, knowing if the DK has Bone Shield up at all can be useful, but in reality, a good DK should never take hits without any Bone Shield stacks up. It can be sort of useful to know if the DK has to build BS stacks by using Marrowrend, which generates less Runic Power, but that not really worth obsessing about.
You’re correct
Stack count also only helps with things like Tombstone and Bonestorm as well. 100% right as the armor and haste value is the same at 1 stack to 10 (12 in TWW if talented).
Which is the best tank to learn after playing protection paladin?
Brewmasters have good self healing now but it is hard to knwo for sure as they have the orbs that they can use to self heal and can get big self chunks of healing. They also have some active mitigation with stagger called shuffel that means that the percent of damage they stagger increases, but can be 100%
Blood DK can also get stacks of boneshield by popping slappy hands right before the keystone is activated. Use it again to round up the first pull and you’ve got full stacks of boneshield and only have to worry about getting enough runic power to death strike.
Great educational content...also for tanks.
Just another Quazii banger.
Least favorite tank to heal is blood dk. The health bar ping pong often is crazy, especialy at the start of pulls. And you just can't ignore it in pugs, so you end up overhealing/wasting mana/cds/gcd a lot.
That's what all healers in my guild are also complainig about, especially one is refusing to join a PUG with a BDK because of this yoyo effect.
Good timing on the video >< Maybe call it: Healers, how to prevent tanks from uninstalling the game.
Absolutely fantastic video. I might have missed it, or it wasn't in scope, but what's the addon/tracking beneath the target bar around 2:54? I'm interested in a better want to see what's coming up :3
I believe that is BigWiggs/LittleWiggs cooldown bars tracking when the boss will do its next ability.
Nice guide man! I might be a little beter at healing now haha, ill check those other guides you mentioned ass well
Very insightful video. Thank you!
Yo Quazii, every time you said "Guardian Druid" all i heared was "Garden Druid". Cracked me up!
Makes sense. Some of them might be garden druids.
… I’ll just make like a tree and leaf
@@KingOfWarz It's: "like a Banana and split" xD
Is there a good way for the healer to track the boneshield stacks? I don't see it in OmniCD
Me: *bdk get oneshot*
Bdk: WHY NO HEAL OMG
Bdk leaves the group
Thanks a lot, myself having several tanks and close to a 3k rio.
My current favorits are the DH and the Pala, because esp. in PUGs you don't have to rely so much on the gameplay of the others, esp. interrupts.
Also to mentioned, I allways prefer the build with better survibilty rather doing a bit more dmg.
Why? You can pull bigger and/or your healer can do more dmg because he must heal you less. Esp. when you have such things such as a cheap death. Don't understand why some players don't use this, maybe with exception you are in a well coordinated group and using verbal communication (Except top level, where they trained hours over overs to perform their pulls perfectly). And yes, there is a trinket, but overall I prefer a decent good dmg trinket or even a 2nd deff trinket. Currently using a combination from Fyrak.
i misheard your introduction of "guardian druid" as "garden druid" and decided i liked that version better lol.
is it true where if a healer heals the BDK it takes away from what the deathstrike would have healed? meaing the game acts like you took less dmg the you did cuz you were healed in turn causing the ds to heal less? i was told this a few years ago idk if it was true but i assmed it was true
You missed a few points on VDH. They also give out a stacking debuff (frailty) on enemies which reduces damage they take. They also can talent (Fel Flame Fortification) into their immo aura reducing damage by 10%. Additionally, another talent (Calcified Spikes) provides falling off damage reduction when deamon spikes wears off. Aside from Metamorphosis, no single defensive is strong. What VDH does to tank is overlap all of these defenses in addition to constant self healing. This means that your point of tanks being weakest on a pull is especially true of VDH. If their demon spikes, immo aura, and sigil of flame are on cooldown while pulling the next pack they are very squishy! Good VDH will hold off using those spells at the end of a mob pack so that they can use them in the next pull.
Most tanks : don't
For big ass pulls or instakills I use shields if you have any or something like blessing of sacrifice.
Amazing content as always! Do you have a community in sg?
Can you add Omnicc and all the buffs we need to track to your copy paste UI on the website. Would be a great help as wanting to main a healer in wwi.
So the conclusion after those explanation, which one is the easies to heal?
I just give bld dks externals and keep hot on them. They normally die from 1 shots.
when a bdk pops purg, arent they the only ones that can save themselves? I dont think outside heals can help them with purg
Outside can help also depends how hard you got hit to be put into purg. I’ve used healing pots and hearthstone to come out of it before while kiting etc
Just a correction for VDH: between demon spikes, fiery brand, and metamorphosis, it is generally not too difficult to maintain 100% uptime on some active mitigation. Baseline demon spikes uptime is ~40%+ (6s duration 15s cd, 2 charges), increasing to ~80% with extended spikes and 1/2 feed the demon. 2/2 ftd alone is enough to have 100% spikes uptime in aoe, which you will have if you run Last Resort.
Fiery brand uptime is generally ~30%. More if you run Down in Flames, but most DH run double sigil instead this season almost always (though they will not in TWW). Meta uptime is also ~35%.
Worst case scenario you have 35+30+40=105% uptime, assuming no spikes uptime talents. This requires you to be very diligent about not overlapping your mitigation buttons while also pressing everything on cooldown, which is why most VDH run some combination of extended spikes and/or feed the demon. Doing so makes it not too difficult to always have something up.
Your math is wild - an S3 title VDH.
@@JustinFerguson-k6e prove it. Or really feel free to give any evidence whatsoever besides claiming title (like that matters lol...)
Brand with immo extension will generally last 20+ seconds on a 1 minute cooldown. 20/60=33%.
Fel dev with dgb gives 7 seconds of meta (2s channel + 5s after the channel) every 28 seconds on average (40s cd with 20-40% cdr from dgb is 30% on average. 30% of 40s is 12s. 40s-12s=28s), which is 25% alone. Plus your 2 minute meta, which is 15s every 2 minutes, and we are well over 30%.
Spikes is harder and depends on talents. 6s duration 15s cd is 40% easily. You also get 2 charges and it cycles out of combat, so 40% is a lower bound. Extended spikes makes this 8s/15s which is over 50%.
Ftd gives 0.25s cdr per soul consumed per point. DH typically consumes 50+ souls per minute overall, and commonly 70-80 in aoe. This shortens the cooldown to be closer to 10s on average, a bit less even in aoe
So where do you take issue?
@@JustinFerguson-k6ebro said it like there isn’t probably 300+ title veng dh. It’s free title lol,
i played with some truly horrendous tanks who got title on veng, same as Druid season before, no skill needed. Broken passive tankiness
I really wish tank defensives were tracked by default. I like to play with as few add-ons as possible since inevitably they all break at some point and I hate figuring out what broke and why. Being a healer for so long, I just kind of intuitively know what each tank feels like to heal, but I would like to see their cooldowns and mitigation anyway for moments when someone messes up or the beginning of expansions when damage patterns are still new and unknown.
its interesting, i know t his vid was for healers but somehow my brain took it for tanking learning. xD nice vid, ty!!
Couple things you missed that healers have to watch for on prot pala, our mana bar, Word of Glory costs whopping 10% mana to cast, if we're oom, we're fucked and our dispell costs the same amount of mana. Tracking shinning light is equally as important as tracking holy power itself, it's a buff that lets us cast WoG for 0 holy power(still at mana cost tho). Letting us be primary source of kicks in situations with one mob that needs kicks is really strong too as we are granted a holy power per each succesful interrupt with punishment class talent node(including avenger's shield interrupts). We have plenty of damage reduction options but we're limited on healing via our mana and holy power.
You are probably misplaying a fair bit if you are running out of mana just from word of glory.
Only time I ever went oom is on atal dazar dispelling on cd pretty much ontop of the heals
@@Dilllll26 I never said how often it happens bro, just if it does that's a thing they need to watch for, you need like 15wogs in a row to oom, but add dispelling on CD and its half that time. My point basically is during week 1 you can possibly oom if you have to either cast wog every 5seconds or wog and dispell every 10s you'll oom in 1min 40seconds, any more frequent you'll oom a bit faster. But it's only ever a case in very undergeared when you actually need to heavily spam wog and it's a poison/disease heavy dungeon.
@@Speedymeele but it happens so rarely that there is no point to track it, if you play properly you rarely wog without shining light unless in wings.
It is a misplay, even in high atal Tyra dispelling every round of the disease wasn’t needed and only a bonus
@@Dilllll26 Ye but that's same as situation when bdk doesn't have rp to death strike, once per blue moon and that was mentioned so in justice this should too.
This either aged VERY poorly or EXTRMELY well depending how you look at it.
Hey I think this is a good place for it, Now its just the way Bdk works and MW works as well.
Bdk is very bad about eating your Mastery of Harmony Vitality in TWW. Just a thing i think Monks need to know.
and for mid/low keys with your buddies here's how to heal a tank.... when tank says "i'm dead" = heal tank
That video did not age well
Thank you !!
Brewmaster is the most yoyo tank, BDK blood shield is going to be a BDK #1 heal and prevent them from yoyo health.
Bloodshield is broken by 1 melee in high fort keys. Dk is definitely most spiky hence highest hps
If you're meaning 16+ keys then I can't comment as I've only done some 15s and blood shield is usually twice as much healing as death strike. At my lvl BDK is less spikey then my brewmaster.
omg the way I got triggered by seeing explosives in some of the footage
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Prot Warrior my love !
Once a famous Method healer said: Any tank who needs direct heal, is a bad tank.
Dunno you definitely need them at times on prot pal, with bad healers it can be hard to keep up your mitigation if they don’t assist you once in awhile, which is essentially insta death in high keys.
This is why i much preferred monk over disc last season
Tanks need healing???
TBH, i prefer tank to go full dps gear , so the whole fight will be shorter and unlikely to make mistakes...
I came here to see if I can do something for DH. I only do 10s, but it feels like healers have no say in a tank living or not this xpac and I have trust issues with DHs. I hate healing them. They are either gods, or usually, yeet 1 million miles away and die every pull. There is no in between. I quit inviting them to my keys and will take any other tank class.
Yeah, VDH is the weakest tank on pull. That’s when they need the most babysitting
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0% chance I'm adding ANOTHER thing to track just for blood dk. I've healed since vanilla and I track everything else but if you, a blood dk, run out of RP and die because you didn't press one of your own 8 defensives and manage to die through your CHEAT DEATH, that is a you problem, not a me problem because I didn't track it. Bloods the most difficult tank for a reason and if you f up and don't death strike, that's on you. If I mess up and don't press my healing button at the right time that's my fault but the tank isn't tracking my heals either, is he?
I'm thinking bear tank . With restoration shaman. 😊
Ps learning alot here 😊
Damn, they just changed tanks across the board.
Guys, just queued in my first +10 (first time healing). . . Someone pls give me a quick breakdown 😫
Tips for healing blood DK: Don't. You will only need to use external defensives. Blood DKs take 15-35% more damage than every other tank while above 35% HP. They should be healing themselves. They should never have 0 bone shield charges opr defensives. If they do, put on an external. Thats it.
Pugged almost to 3.6k without healing tanks and when they died it was their fault.
Jokes aside, learned a lot ty Quazii ❤❤
funny thing about purgatory, if the bdk has runic power you can probably still ignore them. They should be able to get themselves out of the heal absorb with death strike. If they're out of rp, then your heals likely aren't going to make the difference (outside of heals like lay on hands maybe)
Dks don't get tankier the more bone shield stacks they have, 1 stack of bone shield will provide the same ammount of armor as 10 stacks.
Also there's no point in a healer keeping up with the bone shield uptime on a dk, because the dk should have BS up at all times, if a dk lets the BS stacks drop they will die on the next gcd and there's no healer who can do anything about that, unless the dk is massivily overgeared for the content.
By far the best way a healer can help a DK is by applying dmg reduction buffs like earth shield or pain supression. Direct healing/shielding on a BDK does so little difference on whetever they will live or die that it's hardly worth the gcd.
Then by this standard they don't really have to keep track on warrior Shieldblock and Ignore pain since a good warrior always floating between 40-80 rage, and aim about 95% uptime. Just throw a constant little heal/HOT since it will be a very stable drop on warrior.
What are you even talking about? I feel like a got a little dumber by that comment but let me try to reply to what I made out of it:
Bone shield isn't an active mitgation like warrior' shield block or ignore pain, that you compare it to them shows you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, try to restrain yourself from doing that again in the future for your own benefit.
If you wanna compare bone shield to something a warrior has then it's more like the very shield the warrior is equiping on it's off hand, the actual piece of equipment, healers don't keep track of wheter or not a warrior is equiping a shield or not, it simply's gotta be there, at all times, if for some reason it isn't at some point in time the warrior will simply drop dead in a single gcd, and so will the DK if lets bone shield drop. Keeping bone shield up doesn't take pretty much any experience nor practice, it's super easy to keep up, if for some reason a DK has trouble keeping it up at all times then he's got no place on mythic dungeons, heroics might even be too far for them.
Its scary knowing they are seeing by cds... they can see I'm a terrible tank! Lol
Bdk easiest tank to heal, don't heal them. If a blood dk dies it was their fault
Hahaha I’m a BDK if my stuff is all on cd I would love some heals.
Yeah mannnnn
@@geertcrommentuijn Realistically in high keys if all your stuff is on CD as BDK there’s nothing a healer can do to save you.
WTB external 😂
That is wrong. Sometimes during CDs downtime for BDK, externals are very important - rdudu, pres evoked, priests..
legit idk how tanks need healing, whenever im on my bear i require absolutely no healing
Tanks only need the rest of the party to speed up clear time.
Depends on the level of key youre doing I suppose. Good luck surviving a (new) +12 or higher pug with no healer.
I hear you though. Lower key levels, tanks are broken. I finished the last 30% on the last boss in an (old) +16 AD on my VDH.
I'm hoping healers get more urgency in TWW.
@@unfknblvable5292 Yea I guess I'm just doing the hardest content for gear in the game at a +8
Darn ok not sure if I go tank or healer. .. healer probably healer . I've never tanked. And prefer not to be caller / leader
TLDR: Tank doesnt need a healer. Tanks are completely off the rails broken and only need the rest of the party to speed up clear time. 40 minutes saved yw.
Healing bdk, just delete them from your party frame. Otherwise your blood pressure will go high😂
Imagine being a RSham and having this (very well thought out and informative) guide tell you when to use your external defensive cooldowns. They don't even have a defensive for themselves, lol.
Rsham brings passive DR with earthshield talent. Very good for BM monk. Will probably benefit the tank more over the course of a dungeon than something like bark or gs.
@@chainhood ...except when the tank needs an actual cooldown. 6% is nice but it's never going to save a tank when they need an external cooldown.
How to heal tanks, any tank: ignore them.
All of them without question have been completely broken and too much mitigations, self healing or any other kind of way to survive made them the ultimate cockroaches nowadays.
Even those who supposedly have been in the shit (like monks) could self heal stupid amounts, what was killing them was one shot dmg that would kill any other person anyways.
😂😂😂 sure buddy sure
This is more in prep of new xpansion when tanks are at their weakest due to loss of secondary stats for uptime of their active mitigations and effective cds on their defensives(anger management, righteous protector, bone shield cdr for DRW, sigil cdr, etc). Haste helps a metric shit ton with defensive flow on 3 plate tanks and vdh, no clue about bear cause i refuse to play bear personally and brew doesn't really like haste but crit works wonders for the self healing capabilities(celestial fortune).
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