Hi Khalid, thank you for the video. As a current student of Sports Massage Level 4 (while also widely reading around the subject along with different CPD courses - including ones with Clinical Physio) and the research keeps reverting back to this: placebo is amazing. If people believe massage improves performance, it will. Same with kinso tape. Or dry needling etc etc. I think massage in general should help the flow of lymph and assist with DOMs for all people but what I'm really trying to say is: please do that other video you hinted at towards the end of this video. Massage is beneficial: not many people feel worse after a massage right? But I think we have to be realistic about what we're accomplishing. Thanks again
Hey Grant! Thank you so much for your message and I really appreciate what you are saying about placebo… it’s a really difficult one. I can understand the argument much more in a elite sporting environment; that if the athlete feels most confident (without being too dependent), they will perform at their best. It can be a much harder situation with your standard clinic patient because it’s far less about performance and much more about managing their condition. But placebo will always be an incredibly strong factor for patients!!!
Very good information. One thing that I think can easily get lost in studies about manual therapy (and medical studies generally) is the breakdown of specific techniques used, the level of intensity of application and for what purpose the techniques are used. Simply saying sports massage study is too non specific I believe. In my experience, no two therapists will perform the same work. It's obviously a lot more challenging to get to a deeper level of detail regarding techniques and application not to mention for what purposes matching needs of the athlete. Additionally, unfortunately (or maybe simply it's just the reality of it) the dynamic between therapist and recipient has a big role to play in results ime. Attempts to be truly objective are going to fall short but at least studies allow for a better understanding. Thanks for the video!
Hello! Yes that’s very true my friend - as always, whether in studies or not, as you say there will be differences between different clinicians for sure
I know two things; 1- Placebos don't work on Mr. Tried and tested. 2- I tried sports massage. It hurt like hell and then some. But I limped in and walked out and kept walking for a week. Then I needed another one because the original cause of the problem wasn't addressed. But I'll take a week of pain-free walking at any cost.
Love the research! I'd be interested in the research for specific targeted massage to specific muscles for increased mobility/performance.. aka something like working on the calves complex to increase dorsiflexion before squatting, cleans, snatches, etc.
sports massage work, if you combine it with mobilization techniques something like Active Release Technique to increase mobility. Works the best, less stress on the practitioner, maximum results.
In sports therapy we have this debate over the effectiveness of sports massage. Sometimes it’s down to what the patient finds effective. It’s just another tool for us to use aside from manual therapy.
Good review of the latest research on sports massage. Curious about the announced video about massage for "regular" neck and back pain! I guess it will have to discuss the potential for clients believing that they need a therapist to "fix" their back or neck pain with a massage, instead of doing something themselves ;)
With the recent research in mice showing mechanical massage reduces scar tissue formation in muscle recovery, I would be curious about the effect of massage on an injury.
@JustMassage-qx5oz It's true, this was on mice and was also a mechanical massage. There *is* research on humans on massage and scar tissue formation, but it's limited because the massage isn't applied consistently. However, my point is injury prevention is probably a more interesting question to be looking into than performance enhancement even if athletes and trainers are more interested in the latter.
Im just had my first jour lomg sessiom for an hour ..Cist me 40 pound fir back amd shoulder...I was in agony lol amd after about three ho😂urs later i felt like id been run over and was really tired all night....App ive damaged my rhomboids amd rotator cuffs ftom years of weight training...
I think a false distinction between the therapy and how it is received (so called placebo, in this instance). Its a joint effect, the massage does more than work on muscles. It works on the lymphatic system and the nervous system as well as mobilising myofacia. This has the effect of lifting the emotions of the athlete/client, further improving muscle recovery.
If you apply. Massage. Pt..chiro to your patients in each session of 1 hour....then you will fix them...otherwise YOU WILL NOT FIX THEM .... 1 hour. $ 120
Hi Khalid, thank you for the video. As a current student of Sports Massage Level 4 (while also widely reading around the subject along with different CPD courses - including ones with Clinical Physio) and the research keeps reverting back to this: placebo is amazing. If people believe massage improves performance, it will. Same with kinso tape. Or dry needling etc etc. I think massage in general should help the flow of lymph and assist with DOMs for all people but what I'm really trying to say is: please do that other video you hinted at towards the end of this video. Massage is beneficial: not many people feel worse after a massage right? But I think we have to be realistic about what we're accomplishing.
Thanks again
Hey Grant! Thank you so much for your message and I really appreciate what you are saying about placebo… it’s a really difficult one. I can understand the argument much more in a elite sporting environment; that if the athlete feels most confident (without being too dependent), they will perform at their best. It can be a much harder situation with your standard clinic patient because it’s far less about performance and much more about managing their condition. But placebo will always be an incredibly strong factor for patients!!!
Very good information. One thing that I think can easily get lost in studies about manual therapy (and medical studies generally) is the breakdown of specific techniques used, the level of intensity of application and for what purpose the techniques are used. Simply saying sports massage study is too non specific I believe. In my experience, no two therapists will perform the same work. It's obviously a lot more challenging to get to a deeper level of detail regarding techniques and application not to mention for what purposes matching needs of the athlete. Additionally, unfortunately (or maybe simply it's just the reality of it) the dynamic between therapist and recipient has a big role to play in results ime. Attempts to be truly objective are going to fall short but at least studies allow for a better understanding. Thanks for the video!
Hello! Yes that’s very true my friend - as always, whether in studies or not, as you say there will be differences between different clinicians for sure
I know two things; 1- Placebos don't work on Mr. Tried and tested. 2- I tried sports massage. It hurt like hell and then some. But I limped in and walked out and kept walking for a week. Then I needed another one because the original cause of the problem wasn't addressed. But I'll take a week of pain-free walking at any cost.
Thank you so much for your message! Wish you all the very best
Brilliant presentation of information as ever Khalid. You're a great educator and all of us physio students are grateful.
Very kind of you to say Joey 🙏🏼 Thank you so much for watching and for your support!
Love the research! I'd be interested in the research for specific targeted massage to specific muscles for increased mobility/performance.. aka something like working on the calves complex to increase dorsiflexion before squatting, cleans, snatches, etc.
Thank you so much! Yes absolutely that would be very interesting - then it just depends if that kind of research exists! 🙏🏼
These videos are brilliant and really helpful. Yes, please one on the evidence for massage on non-athlete populations.
Thank you so much Duncan!
Im skeptical. Wouldn’t massage damage the target muscle further?
Thanks sir! Thanks a nice video now please with mobs and also thrusts on spine (V thrust butterfly techniques and so on)!
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Can you do a video on the evidence for biofeedback pressure unit please?
Good idea!
sports massage work, if you combine it with mobilization techniques something like Active Release Technique to increase mobility. Works the best, less stress on the practitioner, maximum results.
Thank you for sharing!
In sports therapy we have this debate over the effectiveness of sports massage. Sometimes it’s down to what the patient finds effective. It’s just another tool for us to use aside from manual therapy.
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Good review of the latest research on sports massage. Curious about the announced video about massage for "regular" neck and back pain! I guess it will have to discuss the potential for clients believing that they need a therapist to "fix" their back or neck pain with a massage, instead of doing something themselves ;)
Absolutely Tim! Thank you for your kind words
With the recent research in mice showing mechanical massage reduces scar tissue formation in muscle recovery, I would be curious about the effect of massage on an injury.
@JustMassage-qx5oz It's true, this was on mice and was also a mechanical massage. There *is* research on humans on massage and scar tissue formation, but it's limited because the massage isn't applied consistently. However, my point is injury prevention is probably a more interesting question to be looking into than performance enhancement even if athletes and trainers are more interested in the latter.
So no massage for sick patients on painful areas?.
This information is very helpful💚💚💚
Thank you so much you are most welcome!
You are brilliant 👏🏾
Thank you so much I’m glad it was helpful to you!
Thank you so much
Thank you so much for watching!
Im just had my first jour lomg sessiom for an hour ..Cist me 40 pound fir back amd shoulder...I was in agony lol amd after about three ho😂urs later i felt like id been run over and was really tired all night....App ive damaged my rhomboids amd rotator cuffs ftom years of weight training...
Hope it helps you in the coming days!
I think a false distinction between the therapy and how it is received (so called placebo, in this instance). Its a joint effect, the massage does more than work on muscles. It works on the lymphatic system and the nervous system as well as mobilising myofacia. This has the effect of lifting the emotions of the athlete/client, further improving muscle recovery.
Thank you for your message!
Good job 👍
Thank you so much!
Great informative video, really. But the reffering to football as 'soccer' as a British person prevented my like and subscribe.
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If you apply. Massage. Pt..chiro to your patients in each session of 1 hour....then you will fix them...otherwise YOU WILL NOT FIX THEM ....
1 hour. $ 120
Dumbest question ever asked....