A cool trick with these screens, I admit that I don't use it, but you have our Polish productions on two screens, Morphiller from MDW^Encore and Wayfarer from Jacek Piszczek. Elude is also our Polish group, the coder is/was a MorphOS developer. It's a cool movie, like almost all of them, I'm considering becoming a patron too.
At some point in the future I might make the plunge and turn my AmigaONE X5000 into a dual-boot system with two graphics cards (RX 550 for AmigaOS4.x and one of the higher end cards supported by MorphOS). The dual-core P5020 CPU running at 2.0Ghz is quite a cool one... a small heatsink with a small fan and it sticks to around 60-67 Celcius during summer temperatures and below 60 during winter. :)
I know you love them, but this is where we don’t share a unified love. :) That era of Macs was ridiculous. Apple struggling and trying whatever they could to get those Motorolas to not burn up, while also trying to get speed out of them. The water cooled ones were a mess. The memory often died. (for those who actually used them hardcore) Massive machines that were trying all they could to stay alive The current gen of Apple products may look boring, but the M series tech is a stunning achievement.
I will slap you right in the finger. But to each their own. Apple was the only conpany to actually implement the powerPC successfully. Ibm and others tried But failed. Remember OS2? Yeah not many do. These macs paved the way for what you’re sitting on with your little silicone M series box today hates him if you will, but everyone starts somewhere. I still love this era of Apple
To me it's about MorphOS. Very impressive the dual screens, modern email and browser. Nice stuff that you can actually use it in 2024. Keep posting morphos content.
i would. that xylene is super corrosive. like acid on a fruit just eats them up. now you can simply remove the 6 screws, the 2 long jobs with a ground down regular long screwdriver, and pull them out and replace the coolant and hoses with modern day liquid stuff thats way safer. even update the pumps if needed without worry of it damaging the board (and the power supply below it)
Excellent video as always! So, you have demonstrated MorphOS, Amithlon, and Pimiga. I got Pimiga 4 intel running on a machine and it works great. Would love to try MorphOS but find the hardware prohibitively expensive. Have you experimented with any version of AROS like AROS One or Icaros? I'm stuck in that quandary of trying to get a modern Amiga-like OS running on standard PC hardware without that layer of emulation. Just curious :) Thanks Again!
I did a icarus video a while back. Aros is dogwater as my Kid says. Morph hardware not expensive. You can get powermac g5’. 1.8/2.0 boxes for as low as 25 usd here. Shipping might be a little bit expensive, but the units are super cheap. Many educational facilities used them and they just sit.
If you're determined to run the Amiga OS on metal, your only option are the Vampire FGA machines by Apollo. I think they can be made to run 68k MacOS as well.
@@ChrisEdwardsRestoration You have to be very careful that you get the right hardware though. MorphOS is very very particular on what hardware it will run on. And some of it is only partially functional. To their credit it's spelled out in detail on the Hardware Compatibility Page.
Powermac G5s like the one chris has is super cheap now. Some people give them away for free. Morphos is the best amiga like system, just watching Chris's videos has convinced me of that. I feel out of my chair when he had the demo on one screen and his you tube on the other. 😎 stuff. Dan Woods mentioned Iris as his favorite email client years ago and who know how many release ago. Seeing Chris setup email was beyond what I thought amiga stuff could do.
I still have one DualG5 2GH and a few PowerBookG4s. I'm running MorphOS 3.17 (registered) on a 17" PowerBook G4 1.67Mhz. I had a liquid cooled Quad Core G5 2.5 for a while. It sounded like a jet when the fans kicked in high. It didn't leak, but the coolant solidified and she died from heat stroke. I had a replacement processor module but couldn't get her to boot again. I may have swapped out the PSU too. (I've done that once for my Dual G5) Sold the whole bundle a while back.
@@jondooughWell, at least emulating your ideal Amiga is easier than emulating your ideal wife or girlfriend. Very rarely are girlfriends plug and play, you can't update their firmware and financially, they usually make even the rarest Amiga on earth look like a cheap night out. 😆
Well... in the best of worlds, the people behind AmigaOS 4.x (Hyperion) should have done the same thing the MorphOS people did.... port it to all PPC hardware of that time, such as all the G4/G5 macs etc while also still support the more modern PPC hardware that came with AmigaONE X1000 and AmigaONE X5000. I mean... my AmigaONE X5000 regarding hardware is probably half the price of getting my old super expanded Amiga 1200T with 68060 etc (I mean... buying all the parts, make sure things are in as mint condition as possible). :D
I will actually get a 1.8 GHZ soon. AFAIK you cannot update it with a faster CPU - but hey. Better than my 1.25 G4 I have MorphOS running on right now.
@@ChrisEdwardsRestoration We actually need an x86 version. That would solve ALL of our problems. :-) And MorphOS would be the next thing hotter than Texas Chili!
I hope someone can help me with this question, because it is (to me) a serious question. The question is, "What is the 'best' modern Amiga platform?" By 'best' I don't necessarily mean the most accurate (though that's a huge chunk), or the most powerful, but best suited for what I want to do... My primary interest isn't in playing classic games or with classic Amiga software. My primary interest is developing software for the Amiga. This includes software compatible with 1.2 - 2.04 OS versions. But it also includes creating modern applications, such as, say, a web browser, which is capable of bridging the gap between classic Amigas and modern systems. And playing games. I also would like a dedicated system (even if it's running Amiga Forever under Linux) for which I would build/print a custom case. One that would more closely resemble a Mac Classic or CBM PET than, say, an A500. I would want to develop _on_ such a system, and _some_ of what I develop could specifically target more modern versions of the OS such as 3.9 But the plethora of solutions leaves me confused. What is the difference between Aros, Icaros, Morphos and Amithlon, for example? I currently run emulation via Amiga Forever (I keep intending to make room for my Amiga 3000 on my desks Real Soon Now). I partially recreated my environment from my A3K, but I'm not real comfortable using it for some reason. This may just be my perception, but there seems to be a lot I have to do for functionality that causes me to "drop out" of the Amiga environment... like mounting floppy drives. And as I also use my Win7 desktop for other applications, I'm always dropping out to of the Amiga emulation to run Windows applications. After seeing the cost of some hardware Amiga solutions, such as a G5 with Morphos or Amithlon (the costs aren't exorbitant but they exist), I investigated the cost of simply 'pimping' my A3K... But that could break compatibility, would taint the nostalgia I wish to experience when I use my A3K (3.x versions of the OS seem very different than 2.04), and possibly add wear and tear on my A3K I don't want to put on it. I don't _mind_ learning/using the newer versions of the OS, but I don't want to be locked into them as would seem to be the case if I "upgraded" / converted my one and only actual Amiga system. So could anyone make suggestions for which route would best suit my goals? If there's more information needed, just ask. I'd like to settle this once and for all and begin pursuing ONE solution.
ever heard of Pimiga? its based on 3.9 but hyperions 3.2.2.x is the "current" its all still Amiga OS. runs on a Raspberry pi 4, 400, 5 or even a intel UEFI capable device, even old mac
The problem is that the Amiga OS especially the 2.0 generation is simply too primitive for modern use. The biggest issue is web browsers Modern web sites require horsepower that would bring the most powerful Amiga that you could build, even PowerPC Amigas, whether by metal or emulation to it's knees.
Morphos is the only amiga compatible system with modern networking, email, browser, organization stuff. In the last 5 years the software has left everything else behind.. so no choice really...
Serious question: what’s the point? MorphOS is a 32-bit OS, it’s all ready not using half the registers in the 64-bit G5 processor that’s already in there. Also the RAM limit on MorphOS is 2GB (really 1.7GB). You’re just spending electricity to not use half the processing power 🤷
One could say the same thing about anything retro why bother what is the point just buy new shit and enjoy it I think I will close down because there is no point in any of this. In all seriousness, it’s just the hobby. We do these things for fun if you would like to help the team, consider joining it. Maybe your insight and possible expertise could help them overcome things they are stuck on. As the late rodney King said “cant we all just get along?” Also my electricity is from a solar array so it’s free.
So what? I run goshdarn Emacs as a window manager (EXWM) on my ryzen 5800X3D with 32 GB. Would probably work fine on a higher end Pentium as well. Who cares?
MorphOS has many other pitfalls too, just like any "modern" Amiga OS. The same with the BeOS and Windows XP clones. You could argue that iOS and Android should never have been developed, or even Linux. There were preexisting OSs that worked on available hardware at the time. Sometimes there doesn't have to be an earth shattering reason for doing something, other than you want to try something different.
You’re all failing to get the point. This is isn’t me saying “why are you into retro computing hur dur” I have many retro systems, I love my PPC Macs and Amigas. I am saying specifically it makes zero sense to run a 32-bit OS on a 64-bit processor (unless that’s all you have) let alone UPGRADE said 64-bit processor. If you were running say 64-bit operating systems like Debian Linux or BSD on the G5 Mac it would make sense but MorphOS is not 64-bit, it is 32-bit. It would be great if MorphOS had a 64-bit PPC version that could take advantage of that hardware. By all means do what you want but it makes about as much sense as waiting in line for an hour to get nothing 😂 It won’t improve anything 😂
I could never get morphOS to play demos - or any native 68k AOS app- but I'm a nextgen amiga moron. Didn't know 2 screens were possible either - but can't do that with a mac mini ppc.
@@another3997 Make a modern kernel based on the hardware that is supported.The promised structural elements of the system that should be in it and still are not.Finally understand which processor needs to be supported otherwise the hardware will soon go into the ages and the new one will not be supported.If you have contacted the PPC architecture, then you need to make hardware on this architecture. And so at the moment it's just a toy with a lot of projects that are sold for money. Until now, issues with licensing what is called the AMIGA OS and making it either open or having a normal OS host have not been resolved.
@@TheRus13 You severely overestimate the resources they can bring to bear. They don't have the expertise required to move beyond Motorola, it's based too much on the Amiga.
@@fmlazar In the 21st century, this is ridiculous to say.There are all the features now, but they probably don't particularly require noticeable fixes or improvements.
Hi Chris quite a few G5's on uk ebay sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=apple+mac+G5&_sacat=0 not sure if this will be removed as it has a link have removed the first part of the link buut you can re add this if any are any good i need a 1200 recapping so we could sort a deal.
A cool trick with these screens, I admit that I don't use it, but you have our Polish productions on two screens, Morphiller from MDW^Encore and Wayfarer from Jacek Piszczek. Elude is also our Polish group, the coder is/was a MorphOS developer. It's a cool movie, like almost all of them, I'm considering becoming a patron too.
i love them all, im a hude demo lover. amiga and morph. heck theres even a few OS4x demos out there. I need to break out my OS4 machine some day
Danm, that heat sink. I love the design of the older G5s and XServes.
Interesting Vid Dr Chris. Thanks for the journey. 👍🏻
I just pulled a pair of 2.5 off a bad machine and did the swap. Its a bit more work, but very nice. The best part is I have a spare 2.5 CPU now.
Nice upgrade Chris. Its works fine so i can see. Greetings from Steven from the Netherlands
Hi Ya & best wishes. SuperB! Thanks for work. Be Happy. Sevastopol/Crimea.
How many new systems are going to be still around in 20 years and run like that. Amazing.
At some point in the future I might make the plunge and turn my AmigaONE X5000 into a dual-boot system with two graphics cards (RX 550 for AmigaOS4.x and one of the higher end cards supported by MorphOS).
The dual-core P5020 CPU running at 2.0Ghz is quite a cool one... a small heatsink with a small fan and it sticks to around 60-67 Celcius during summer temperatures and below 60 during winter. :)
I know you love them, but this is where we don’t share a unified love. :) That era of Macs was ridiculous. Apple struggling and trying whatever they could to get those Motorolas to not burn up, while also trying to get speed out of them. The water cooled ones were a mess. The memory often died. (for those who actually used them hardcore) Massive machines that were trying all they could to stay alive
The current gen of Apple products may look boring, but the M series tech is a stunning achievement.
I will slap you right in the finger. But to each their own. Apple was the only conpany to actually implement the powerPC successfully. Ibm and others tried
But failed. Remember OS2? Yeah not many do. These macs paved the way for what you’re sitting on with your little silicone M series box today hates him if you will, but everyone starts somewhere.
I still love this era of Apple
To me it's about MorphOS. Very impressive the dual screens, modern email and browser. Nice stuff that you can actually use it in 2024. Keep posting morphos content.
I have a G5 Quad. Knock on wood, hasn’t leaked yet! I haven’t acquired the sufficient amount of bravery points to replace the hoses and coolant.
i would. that xylene is super corrosive. like acid on a fruit just eats them up. now you can simply remove the 6 screws, the 2 long jobs with a ground down regular long screwdriver, and pull them out and replace the coolant and hoses with modern day liquid stuff thats way safer. even update the pumps if needed without worry of it damaging the board (and the power supply below it)
Really need to get round to putting the 970 in my one of these so I can run Morph os on it.
Still have my G5 cpus (all broken) from an aircooled Powermac G5 tower. Stripped everything except the case (somewhat) They hang on a wall here.
Excellent video as always! So, you have demonstrated MorphOS, Amithlon, and Pimiga. I got Pimiga 4 intel running on a machine and it works great. Would love to try MorphOS but find the hardware prohibitively expensive. Have you experimented with any version of AROS like AROS One or Icaros? I'm stuck in that quandary of trying to get a modern Amiga-like OS running on standard PC hardware without that layer of emulation. Just curious :) Thanks Again!
I did a icarus video a while back. Aros is dogwater as my
Kid says. Morph hardware not expensive. You can get powermac g5’. 1.8/2.0 boxes for as low as 25 usd here. Shipping might be a little bit expensive, but the units are super cheap. Many educational facilities used them and they just sit.
If you're determined to run the Amiga OS on metal, your only option are the Vampire FGA machines by Apollo. I think they can be made to run 68k MacOS as well.
@@ChrisEdwardsRestoration You have to be very careful that you get the right hardware though. MorphOS is very very particular on what hardware it will run on. And some of it is only partially functional. To their credit it's spelled out in detail on the Hardware Compatibility Page.
@@fmlazar yup. also thats why pimiga was built. the new intel we did now runs native on any uefi capable intel pc/ mac
Powermac G5s like the one chris has is super cheap now. Some people give them away for free. Morphos is the best amiga like system, just watching Chris's videos has convinced me of that. I feel out of my chair when he had the demo on one screen and his you tube on the other. 😎 stuff. Dan Woods mentioned Iris as his favorite email client years ago and who know how many release ago. Seeing Chris setup email was beyond what I thought amiga stuff could do.
I still have one DualG5 2GH and a few PowerBookG4s. I'm running MorphOS 3.17 (registered) on a 17" PowerBook G4 1.67Mhz. I had a liquid cooled Quad Core G5 2.5 for a while. It sounded like a jet when the fans kicked in high. It didn't leak, but the coolant solidified and she died from heat stroke. I had a replacement processor module but couldn't get her to boot again. I may have swapped out the PSU too. (I've done that once for my Dual G5) Sold the whole bundle a while back.
I think MorphOS uses only one core on a Dual 2.5 or Quad.
@@fmlazar You are right. MorphOS is only one "core" OS.
@@fmlazar I never tried it on a G5 single, dual or quad, only on my PowerBook G4, but I think you are correct, MorphOS only supports single processor.
Just checked Ebay UK (in passing, if you will...) - only 2.0's.
I wish it wasn't MorphOS and it was just AmigaOS.
Jist pretend it is then
@@ChrisEdwardsRestoration I said that about my last wife...
@@jondooughWell, at least emulating your ideal Amiga is easier than emulating your ideal wife or girlfriend. Very rarely are girlfriends plug and play, you can't update their firmware and financially, they usually make even the rarest Amiga on earth look like a cheap night out. 😆
Well... in the best of worlds, the people behind AmigaOS 4.x (Hyperion) should have done the same thing the MorphOS people did.... port it to all PPC hardware of that time, such as all the G4/G5 macs etc while also still support the more modern PPC hardware that came with AmigaONE X1000 and AmigaONE X5000. I mean... my AmigaONE X5000 regarding hardware is probably half the price of getting my old super expanded Amiga 1200T with 68060 etc (I mean... buying all the parts, make sure things are in as mint condition as possible). :D
I will actually get a 1.8 GHZ soon. AFAIK you cannot update it with a faster CPU - but hey. Better than my 1.25 G4 I have MorphOS running on right now.
Actually you can update that series from a one eight through a 2.0
what halted development on the QorIQ T series
Can you run Polyorga, I heard its the best thing since sliced bread
I show all the demos on the first part of this update morph install go check out that video theres tons of great ones!!!
@@ChrisEdwardsRestoration roger that maestro
interesting.
It is a pity that the MORPH OS core does not fully support dual-processor or dual-core processors.Also, the memory does not see more.
Yes i agree. They continue to amaze
Me with the constant updates. Wish there was a x86 version but maybe one day when im 90
@@ChrisEdwardsRestoration We actually need an x86 version. That would solve ALL of our problems. :-) And MorphOS would be the next thing hotter than Texas Chili!
@@pikewerfer what about a x68 version? that supports dual cpu's,that would require somebody creating a motherboard that can take 2 x68 cpu's.
@@runeingebretsen8378 you for real ? Multi-CPU motherboard have existed for decades.
@@charlesdorval394 not for x68,do you even know what x68 is? it's not x86.
I hope someone can help me with this question, because it is (to me) a serious question.
The question is, "What is the 'best' modern Amiga platform?"
By 'best' I don't necessarily mean the most accurate (though that's a huge chunk), or the most powerful, but best suited for what I want to do...
My primary interest isn't in playing classic games or with classic Amiga software.
My primary interest is developing software for the Amiga.
This includes software compatible with 1.2 - 2.04 OS versions.
But it also includes creating modern applications, such as, say, a web browser, which is capable of bridging the gap between classic Amigas and modern systems. And playing games.
I also would like a dedicated system (even if it's running Amiga Forever under Linux) for which I would build/print a custom case. One that would more closely resemble a Mac Classic or CBM PET than, say, an A500.
I would want to develop _on_ such a system, and _some_ of what I develop could specifically target more modern versions of the OS such as 3.9
But the plethora of solutions leaves me confused. What is the difference between Aros, Icaros, Morphos and Amithlon, for example?
I currently run emulation via Amiga Forever (I keep intending to make room for my Amiga 3000 on my desks Real Soon Now). I partially recreated my environment from my A3K, but I'm not real comfortable using it for some reason. This may just be my perception, but there seems to be a lot I have to do for functionality that causes me to "drop out" of the Amiga environment... like mounting floppy drives. And as I also use my Win7 desktop for other applications, I'm always dropping out to of the Amiga emulation to run Windows applications.
After seeing the cost of some hardware Amiga solutions, such as a G5 with Morphos or Amithlon (the costs aren't exorbitant but they exist), I investigated the cost of simply 'pimping' my A3K... But that could break compatibility, would taint the nostalgia I wish to experience when I use my A3K (3.x versions of the OS seem very different than 2.04), and possibly add wear and tear on my A3K I don't want to put on it.
I don't _mind_ learning/using the newer versions of the OS, but I don't want to be locked into them as would seem to be the case if I "upgraded" / converted my one and only actual Amiga system.
So could anyone make suggestions for which route would best suit my goals? If there's more information needed, just ask. I'd like to settle this once and for all and begin pursuing ONE solution.
ever heard of Pimiga? its based on 3.9 but hyperions 3.2.2.x is the "current" its all still Amiga OS. runs on a Raspberry pi 4, 400, 5 or even a intel UEFI capable device, even old mac
The problem is that the Amiga OS especially the 2.0 generation is simply too primitive for modern use. The biggest issue is web browsers Modern web sites require horsepower that would bring the most powerful Amiga that you could build, even PowerPC Amigas, whether by metal or emulation to it's knees.
Morphos is the only amiga compatible system with modern networking, email, browser, organization stuff. In the last 5 years the software has left everything else behind.. so no choice really...
Serious question: what’s the point? MorphOS is a 32-bit OS, it’s all ready not using half the registers in the 64-bit G5 processor that’s already in there.
Also the RAM limit on MorphOS is 2GB (really 1.7GB).
You’re just spending electricity to not use half the processing power 🤷
One could say the same thing about anything retro why bother what is the point just buy new shit and enjoy it I think I will close down because there is no point in any of this. In all seriousness, it’s just the hobby. We do these things for fun if you would like to help the team, consider joining it. Maybe your insight and possible expertise could help them overcome things they are stuck on. As the late rodney King said “cant we all just get along?” Also my electricity is from a solar array so it’s free.
So what? I run goshdarn Emacs as a window manager (EXWM) on my ryzen 5800X3D with 32 GB. Would probably work fine on a higher end Pentium as well. Who cares?
MorphOS has many other pitfalls too, just like any "modern" Amiga OS. The same with the BeOS and Windows XP clones. You could argue that iOS and Android should never have been developed, or even Linux. There were preexisting OSs that worked on available hardware at the time. Sometimes there doesn't have to be an earth shattering reason for doing something, other than you want to try something different.
You’re all failing to get the point. This is isn’t me saying “why are you into retro computing hur dur” I have many retro systems, I love my PPC Macs and Amigas.
I am saying specifically it makes zero sense to run a 32-bit OS on a 64-bit processor (unless that’s all you have) let alone UPGRADE said 64-bit processor. If you were running say 64-bit operating systems like Debian Linux or BSD on the G5 Mac it would make sense but MorphOS is not 64-bit, it is 32-bit.
It would be great if MorphOS had a 64-bit PPC version that could take advantage of that hardware.
By all means do what you want but it makes about as much sense as waiting in line for an hour to get nothing 😂
It won’t improve anything 😂
@@Andrath Your reply makes zero sense. Do you even understand what point I am making?
I could never get morphOS to play demos - or any native 68k AOS app- but I'm a nextgen amiga moron. Didn't know 2 screens were possible either - but can't do that with a mac mini ppc.
Chrysalis sets it all up for you and the new eazy2install makes its usability so much more “easy” to install things
@@ChrisEdwardsRestoration is that chrysalis expansion #2?3? The first was easy. But Amiga apps wouldn’t load - because I’m a moron lol
I always thought 68k software was plug and play, so to speak
@@vertigozIt is. He probably means OS4 software doesn’t run.
Manufacturers of MORPH OS need to deal with their system fully and not by raiding once a year....
What on earth do you mean by that? "Deal with it fully" and not "raiding" once a year?
@@another3997 Make a modern kernel based on the hardware that is supported.The promised structural elements of the system that should be in it and still are not.Finally understand which processor needs to be supported otherwise the hardware will soon go into the ages and the new one will not be supported.If you have contacted the PPC architecture, then you need to make hardware on this architecture. And so at the moment it's just a toy with a lot of projects that are sold for money. Until now, issues with licensing what is called the AMIGA OS and making it either open or having a normal OS host have not been resolved.
@@TheRus13 You severely overestimate the resources they can bring to bear. They don't have the expertise required to move beyond Motorola, it's based too much on the Amiga.
@@fmlazar In the 21st century, this is ridiculous to say.There are all the features now, but they probably don't particularly require noticeable fixes or improvements.
Hi Chris quite a few G5's on uk ebay sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=apple+mac+G5&_sacat=0 not sure if this will be removed as it has a link have removed the first part of the link buut you can re add this if any are any good i need a 1200 recapping so we could sort a deal.
well uk units are PAL 50hz, and 240v. USA units are NTSC and 60 hz 120v