Roof Shingle Olympics - Expert Ranks 12 Shingle Brands From Worst To Best | Reliance Roof Troop
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- Need a new roof? Watch this revealing video before choosing shingles! Local roofer Daniel Wagenmaker tested 12 top-selling asphalt shingle brands on flexibility, impact resistance, granule loss, and more. The results expose expensive shingles marketed to homeowners that are actually low quality.
Don't let roofing companies push you into the wrong choice. Daniel's transparent roof shingle testing identifies which brands last longest and protect your home best. Gain insider knowledge so you don't waste money on shingles that seem great in ads but fail in real life.
Reliance Roof Troop provided this video to arm homeowners with expertise. This roof shingle test covers both standard asphalt and polymer-modified rubberized asphalt shingles. Get the facts before investing thousands on new roofing materials!
For more on choosing the best roof shingles, connect with the experts at Reliance Roof Troop in Chicago, IL and Northwest Indiana Area.
Call (219) 777-0284 or visit their website at www.reliancerooftroop.com to schedule a free roof inspection or request a quote from their team of professional local roofers. Let them put their insider roofing knowledge to work for you!
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Disclaimer: Reliance Roof Troop and its owner, Daniel, would like to clarify that this video is an independent review and comparison of various roofing products. We have not been paid, endorsed, or sponsored by Malarkey Roofing Products or any other brand featured in this video. Our opinions and observations are based purely on our experience and research. Our primary aim is to provide unbiased information to our viewers, ensuring transparency and trust.
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After spending over 10 hours-trying to get some insight, getting educated, prior to replacing a roof project- this is THE BEST video out there!!! Awesome data, well presented. Kudos!!!
Wow, thank you! That really means a lot.
I whole heartedly agree! The VERY BEST video done with great care in explanation. Many, MANY, thanks?!
I am certified roofing contractor located in central FL and approve of the content insight and respectfully agree with the results provided.
Appreciate the feedback!
I am replacing my roof and am so glad I saw this.
Glad you liked it!
Great video. Thanks for making the effort to design some basic tests and give some hard data. Much more valuable than simple opinions 👍
Glad you enjoyed it! I had a lot of fun making it
This was extremely helpful, and exactly the kind of analysis I was looking for. Thank you very much!!
So glad you liked it!
I'm reviewing bids for a new roof -- this video was VERY helpful --definitely worth the half hour to watch it. Thank you!
Absolutely the Best video to understand Shingles and how to pick, based on relative measures and analytical due process. Thanks!
Thank you! Im so glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you! Great objective test info & honest and helpful responses to questions.
Thank you! Glad you liked it
Thank you so much for this research.
You are welcome! Glad you enjoyed it.
Great video! Very helpful. Thank you
Hey Joe! Glad you found it helpful.
So helpful! Thank you so much!
I’m so glad you liked it!
Outstanding information brother! we are considering the malarky Vista..the one area I wish malarky improved on would be their very limited color choices..while we are thrilled to see vista now rated as class 4, that line has so few color options and the ones it Does have, are not so p[leasing to the eye.. sienna blend for example, with its checkerboard effect and orangey tinge.. I wish malarky just went with even color tones with subtle ,instead of crazy daramatic highlights..when trying to choose a color option, I also noticed that malarky's stock photos of shingle examples on a home would vary wildly fromone pic to another,even though it was supposed to be the same color!... that said, it seems a fantastic shingle.
your review came across as having a Slight bias, maybe becuz you work with malarky products? but you aimed to present the facts, kept it fair and let the testing speak for itself as far as performance...This review was every bit as thorough and extensive as Roofing Insights has done on their channel.... side note: in our neighborhood, nearly Every home has had their roofs redone from a recent hailstorm and the shingles were a couple of certainteed landmark and the vast majority were GAF timberline hdz... I wished I could see malarky examples to view actual ,on house appearances but man, they are rare here!
Very happy to hear! Thank you for your feedback.
I install other shingles and have worked with all other shingles. Malarkey far surpasses other brands in longevity and durability. So I might have a slight bias but it is because of the results you see in this video. I love competition and would like other manufacturers up their game to provide a better quality product and value to homeowners
Excellent! Why? Thorough, quantified, logical. Yes, as one other poster indicated, there may be a slight lack of complete objectivity, (Malarkey always wins), but if that's the truth, so be it. Wish others followed your model.
Thanks for the time you rook to produce it. I will be forwarding it to my friends.
We appreciate it! Yes, Malarkey does always win. It’s a great performance based shingle and we are passionate about finding winners.
We only use OC duration.
The surenail strip is incredible. it holds up to our crazy winds here in idaho.
No delamination the granial loss isn't as much as the others.
We find issues with certainteed and GAF all the time here. Can't say anything about malarkey shingles not familiar with them.
thanks for the informative video !
You’re welcome, glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you for the video. You helped someone with no experience in roofing shingle quality understand what to look for and what to avoid. You also helped me make a confident, $18,000 decision.
Mine's gonna be 24k if that makes you feel better haha
Glad this helped! Thanks for watching
A awesome analysis!!!! Wow!
Thank you kindly!
Fantastic! This is the only video anyone needs to see that’s shopping for shingles. You covered everything in great detail. I noticed you didn’t discuss the Scotchgard type products that some are claiming prevent black streaking from algae. Is that just one of the marketing features you mentioned? Thanks again for all the great info
Much appreciated, David! Excellent question about the Scotchguard. More manufacturers are adding scotchguard to their shingles. Time will tell how each one performs. At this time I am not sure how to perform any tests with real results without waiting several years
Great video! Thanks for the educational information for a home owner with a 12year old roof.
Thank you!
Great content!!
Thank you!
I'm getting ready to have malarkey vista installed thank you for your review
Glad you liked it!
Much appreciated!!
Thank you!
Seriously great video. This will help me a lot with my roof replacement which will happen soon.
I’m glad this was useful for you! Thanks for watching
What did you go with on your new roof?
@@larryulstrom4749 I'm still getting bids, but I will be going with Malarkey Legacy Scotchgurd shingles, an Ice & Water shield where appropriate, 30# felt underlayment, hot-dip ring-shank nails, Ultimate pipe flashings. Still deciding on which hip & ridge.
It's really not that much help. I do roofs everyday. None of them will make there manufacture time. You can do tests all you want. You can buy the most expensive line on market. They might make the low end time frame.
@@dougvuillemot8670 I saw a video of a guy who bought what he said were 40-year IKO shingles. They totally fell apart in 10 years. The warranty coverage was so pathetic it wasn't worth his time to reply to the offer letter. I don't see expected lifetimes on manufacturers websites. I only see warranty length, which is always related to a manufacturing defect. It would be like buying a set of tires with a 100,000-mile warranty against failure due to a manufacturing defect, but they aren't saying the tires will actually last for 100,000 miles of normal wear. Same thing with shingles. Mostly the warranties are a joke played on clueless people who don't read and think about what the warranty is saying. To get the best lifetime, it is only the quality of the shingle that means anything, that and the quality of workmanship during installation.
Excellent video. I'm about to hire someone to do my roof; one company does GAF Timberline, and the other Certainteed Landmark Pro. The video suggests it's a no-brainer.
...i just wish one was offering Malarkey as an option. Thank you!
Incredibly informative. I had some cedar shake shingles replaced with asphalt ones and I was glad that the contractor picked up a bundle of GAF. I saw that GAF has solar shingles, but they should develop their other products to make the quality more on par with competitors.
I am intrigued by the GAF solar shingles. There are some kinks being worked out currently
Commenting for the algo. Great video, I learned a few things I didn't know :)
Much appreciated, Matt!
I'm in Hampton Roads Virginia and it looks like the closest distributors are in Knoxville, TN and Lexington, KY. I wonder when the local ABC Supply Stores will start carrying them.
I would hope in the next 3 years
I’ve been in business in Dallas Fort Worth for a little more than 40 years. I find there is still much I don’t know. One thing I’m sure if. Certainteed is head and shoulders THE WORST PRODUCT on market. I’ve had 3 times as many Certainteed shingles I’ve turned in as defective. I have not had them cover one of these in probably 10 years. I normally don’t bring it up to a customer because they will not pay for it.
Trust me when I say the weather matters. Certainteed is close to the best in Michigan weather.
continuous tar strip are rejects , take them back on a 4/12 you will have leaks also do a 12 inch stair step
First house Tamko - hurricane Charley no damage. Second house Tamco - hurricane ian no damage both category 4 storms. just had my roof replaced with Tamco. Need I say more
I'm not a roofer, but can see how these qualities in a roof can help you decide, ive seen cheap roofs lose 75% of their granules. Malarkey does feel a bit sponsored here I have to say. All in all many roofers use Owens duration and it has a 50 year warranty so I think that vs the price is pretty good. Cool roofs and title 24 requirements, plus newer technology is helping a ton to keep shingle life much past 30 years. I have 2 cheap shingled roofs 25 years old..no leaks, tons of granular loss and a sloppy install. Roasted by cali heat rain and wind. Do your homework people and good luck!
Not sponsored, but I can understand how it feels that way. We are passionate about what we do and have tested shingles for years. Malarkey consistently ranks at the top and we had fun documenting and explaining our process. Thanks for watching!
Owens Corning will not pay out on a warranty
That's nice. So where is this MALARKEY SHINGLE SOLD??? NEVER AROUND PITTSBURGH!!!
We're you live matters. One brand here that's the best might be garbage over there.
how about comparing the actual coverage of the shingles on the next one? how many actually cove a full square?
True square coverage (98 vs 100 SQ FT) isn’t something related to performance. It is nice for contractors to know and consider, but not a performance category for homeowners to consider.
My roofer is installing Certainteed Landmark Pro next spring on my home. It is his preferred shingle to install. Malarkey is not available in my market area. Your video confirms my confidence in the Landmark Pro. My installer hand nails all shingles. He may already do this, but I will request he nails on the lower part of the 1 inch nail zone to ensure each nail is set in the common bond.
I am glad to hear you found this video helpful and gained confidence in your buying decision!
I have been in business in Dallas area for 40 years. Without any doubt the Certainteed products are the worst. Absolutely the worst product on the market. My distributor of 39 years had a turnover in general managers. I have 2 jobs installed in last 30 days that are terribly defective. They looked at my roof for 1 minute on roof. I had pulled 3 shingles for him already. He tells my elderly couple they have nothing to worry about. But to give them time to get claim processed. They show up one day later and load up the big pile of shingles which we culled thru. Manufacturer and distributors ware they didn’t pick up that pile of shingles. I even hid a bundle of the shingles in the garage. They saw that bundle and took them too. The roof obviously has problems. They told them unbelievably that the roof is fine. I will have to sue them to get this paid which I will do. Going forward I can avoid their products and will continue to spread the word on Certainteed to my roofing associates. This same exact scenario occurred with Tamko products in 2008 and 2009. They ruined their reputation to the point that many companies still avoid them. Then GAF in 2013-2014. These guys are willing for their product to be endlessly berated because they simply don’t care. They sell all they can produce and could sell more. Most homeowners will not bother to sue because of cost. But this one will. I will pay for it if they don’t. And I will walk with them every step.
Yea, that's not a good experience. All the asphalt shingle manufacturers have had lawsuits against them at some point. I'm in NC and several homes this past late summer and fall had new roofs installed due to a severe hail storm we had. Several of the homes in my subdivision chose Certainteed. Today I went for a walk in my subdivision and came upon my roofer installing Certainteed Pro on a home owned by an employee that works at the lumber supply company where he buys his roofing materials. It was warm enough with high in the mid 50's. I prefer warmer temps myself for my roof job next late spring.The Certainteed shingles for my location are manufactured here in my state in Sanford, NC. Certainteed has been my installers preferred shingle for a long time. I'm sure if he had enough bad experiences with them, he would have moved on from them. Hope your situation gets resolved favorably for you and the homeowner.@@craigburnett6099
@@greyholcombjr.9623 absolutely true. Certainteed has been making non class 4 products for more than 100 years. And they are good at it. I use their other products often. But they have been making class 4 for less than 20. They have 5 times as many defective roofs as all other major brands combined. I suggest you call a local roofing distributor and just ask a few questions. I would calI a local roof distributor and tell them you are using a local roofer for replacement and am concerned with number of defects certainteed has. I would be surprised if they don’t tell u the same thing. I am shocked that they continue to make the same defective products and do nothing about it. Owens Corning, GAF, Malarkey are all the same price with very few defects. Same colors available. The shingles look the same. Just know this. If you end up w a defective shingle you can do nothing about it short of a lawsuit. Best of luck to you on new roof.
@greyholcombjr.9623 I've been roofing for 15 years here in Ontario, Canada just across the border from Detroit MI. And out of all the brands of shingles that I've used over the years I prefer Certainteed Landmarks, for one they seal very well and the shingles I use come from Avery Ohio.
Do you have a similar video for underlayment? Are you familiar with Certainteed Diamonddeck? Do you like it?
No video on Underlayment yet, but Underlayment and Ice and Water shield ratings will make for a good video in the future!
Would you recommend Tamco titan or certainteed landmark pro as far as hail resistance?
Probably only shingles with polymer modified asphalt
There is something missed in your tests which is important to compare. Algae resistance. How does each of these shingle manuf brands hold up to their claims of algae reistance. Atlas Pinnacle shows a longer resistance than Landmark Pro. Is it true that their Scotchguard is really better? What about the others you tested?
I would love to incorporate this into next years Olympics, I just can’t come up with a good test for it. You are talking years of leaving shingles out to determine the true effects of scotchguard.
Love the profile pic btw. Huge Star Wars Lego fan!
Really great video, solidified my own research. We are going with Vista for new roof. Thank you!!
Glad it was helpful!
Where do you rank malarkey legacy?
Definitely better than the Malarkey Vista. Just in a higher price point category
good info
Thank you!
I’ve been a Roofer for over 20 years. The Owens corning sure nail strip does not hold up overtime. The fabric itself will peel off the shingle very easily, especially after it goes through the seasonal changes. From hot to cold. This is a issue because the sealant of the top shingle rest on the fabric of the bottom shingle. So you do not get a good bond from shingle to shingle. it would be better without the fabric strip. Then let the shingle bond to the asphalt of the shingle underneath it. There’s also an issue with the hook blades not cutting the fabric smoothly. hook blades are great for cutting asphalt shingles but not much else. This causes a problem when you’re trying to cut shingles to flash around a pipe or a chimney. Because the blade will pull the fabric strip from the shingle instead of cutting it smoothly .After all the issues I’ve seen with Owens Corning I would never recommend them to anybody or put them on my house.
Exactly, the strip is a terrible idea. I hate those shingles
Thank you for your feedback
Yeah I agree it is terrible.
I realize that Iko and atlas are at bottom of your ratings but certainteed not being at bottom of your ratings is not indicative of the Dallas market. Our products come out of Ennis Texas. I went down there 3 months ago sept 10th. They had acres of class 4 shingles. All had a sticker in fluorescent on bundles that says do not stack. They were stacked for all I could see. Same thing the next day at my Dallas distributor. I completely understand how these guys know they will have a small percentage of defects. We plan to meet w attorneys starting next week. Anybody has further suggestions or input I would appreciate it.
I put 8 class 4 products on a block in Arlington Texas 3 years ago. 4 malarkey, 2 were OC and 2 were Atlas. I was back in that neighborhood last year. The atlas and OC were fine. The certainteed all had bubbles on shingle where it meets the Texas hail. It will not last. The malarkey’s were put on over a 3 month period. 3 different colors. All were defective. Malarkey turned down all the claims. I will not use again.
It's funny because in real life situations in the NE I install OC Duration. Since 2011 over 30k squares with zero issues. I came from GAF as a Master Elite with many roof failures and blow offs. OC Duration is far superior than TAMKO, GAF, and CT. Also no streaking with the copper granules. I have installed from NJ to Massachusetts.
OC does well for sure. You can tell they care about quality.
@@reliancerooftroop390 Yes Sir. Quality is very important to me. Good luck with your business.
I’m in NJ
You work here?
I’m in North Jersey
One contractor gave estimate with OC Duration and the other GAF HDZ
@@adamg.1845 unfortunately we do not work in NJ. We are in NW Indiana (broader Chicago area)
Put some Owen corning castbrooks on my parents home. Cheap shingle that has held up well. We're I'm at you can only get certainteed. They got monopoly here.
Where does Malarkey Legacy fit in.. compared to Vista and Highlander?
Help please! I'm in eastern Canada, long and hard winters! Time to replace my 15 yr old roofing. 3 contractors working with IKO and 1 with GAF. Single women, zero roofing knowledge/experience. Your recommendations are so welcomed. Thank you !!
Go within your means but go with a roofing contractor that has great reviews, solid reputation (ask local shingle suppliers) and will back up their work. Workmanship warranties are most meaningful of all warranties
Any feedback on the F-Wave shingles?
They are great shingles. Better than all reviewed in this video. However, F wave is in a totally different price range.
Are you sure Owen Corning is not rated for Class 3 impact? Website says it is FM 4473 and UL 2218 (Class 3 Impact Resistance).
Owens Corning changed their impact rating a few months after the video was published
What about the GAF UHDZ? Anyone have any input?
It’s harder to get in my area but I would love to include it! I might want to extend the 3rd shingle to each manufacturer
i like malarkey shingle.
We can't get Malarkey in Georgia. Why?. Doesn't work as well down south???
They are a smaller company from the northwest and don't have the supply yet. They have a production facility in Oklahoma and I've heard they're planning to build a new production facility in the Midwest so you might be seeing them in Georgia soon!
John Flores is correct. Malarkey is currently only available in the West, Southwest, and Midwest regions (as well as Alaska) and is currently not available in the east coast region due to production. We are located in the Chicago region and can order shingles that come out of Oklahoma City. That plant in OKC is new as of 2014 and Malarkey is planning on a new plant in the Midwest region in the next year or so.
Avail in Northern Virginia by ABC @@reliancerooftroop390
If I understood correctly, you stated that GAF Timberline HDz shingles are not impact rated, but I just saw that they have a UL2218 Class 4 rating, did this recently change? Is this the rating scale to which you were referring? TY for the video, I know more about shingles than I thought I would ever want to know. LOL
As of today, GAF Timberline HDZs do not have a class 4 rating or any impact rating although you never know if that might change down the road. Since publishing this video, OC Duration and Atlas Pinnacle Pristine shingles are class 3 rated.
@@reliancerooftroop390 thank you for verifying. I think it's a bait and switch.
if you scroll all the way to the bottom it has a comparison of the different items and the check boxes for the class 4 rating arent checked. but they make it appear that way in the description.
I’m meeting w attorneys next week on 2 certainteed class 4 products that are seriously defective. I’m ok w manufacturer having a small percentage of defects but when they are seriously defective and they deny the claim. And info you have gathered would be appreciated.
This is just a comparison video. Defects can occur in any manufacturing process and sometimes happen. We do not get involved in 3rd party lawsuits. Thank you for watching!
@@reliancerooftroop390 I understand. Are you aware of a company who will test a product and tell me what has occurred. I’m amazed at how many companies I have reached out to to have these products tested. ITEL will not get involved. Here in Dallas, Haag Engineering has a good reputation and I’ve used them numerous times. Many other firms tell me the same thing, ‘we are under retainer with this manufacturer and can’t get involved’.
Hi do u have this with Spanish subtitles ?
Sorry, I do not
What is the best shingle roof system for south Florida?
Being in a different market and environment (Midwest) I am not as qualified to answer that well. I’m always of the belief homeowners should make their home as durable as possible (avoid cookie cutter) BUT to also live within their means
Oc or atlas
As of September 1, 2023, Atlas Pinnacle® Pristine, Pinnacle® Sun, and Pro-Cut Hip & Ridge shingles have been classified as UL 2218 Class 3 Impact Rated.
Correct
Dang. I'm about to order the shingles for my new house, and I was debating GAF vs Malarkey... i almost made a huge mistake.
Thank you so much for this comprehensive video.!
Good video. Why didn’t you test the pinnacle impact or pinnacle shake? Especially on granule retention ? Also saddens me Malarkey is owned by a foreign company now. When our final dollar is headed over seas
Good question! We left out other shingles like the Pinnacle Impact, GAF Ultra HDZ, OC Duration Flex and Storm, Malarkey Legacy and other manufacturers’ higher tiers of shingles due to their significant change in price point compared to the ones we tested
The Pinnacle Impact was supposed to be that mid tier shingle like the Vista AR, is it coming in at a much higher price point?
@@renurenovationsllc7780it seems to me the pinnacle impact is just a storm master shake at a cheaper price point. Maybe. Probably not much cheaper
@@davidshumway9639 I priced them, and they are $185.00 in my market, I can get Vista AR for $128.00 and Malarkey Legacy for $182.00. So not much of a mid tier shingle.
@@renurenovationsllc7780 you can order storm master shakes from Menards for $147 a square. Kinda bonkers the pinnacle impacts are more than that.
I am going with vista AR. I just need to find a contractor that can write a detailed contract so that all things stated verbally are in writing. Flakey people. Makes you wonder how they stay in business.
here in AZ Certanteed and Malarky have had delimitation issues and factory ignores them. OC blows off too easy
If you had ever installed and/or repaired these shingles, you might have changed some of your ratings. For example, I've seen the sealant separate from OC duration when they get wet. The sealant literally falls off the back of the shingle. I have found that the GAF Timberline HDZ, while having seemingly less sealant, has a better quality sealant. I saw solar panels fly off a roof after hurricane Ian, and not one shingle was missing. 140 mph winds!
As a seasoned roofer who does do repairs, I can vouch for the accuracy of our rankings. Thanks for your feedback
@reliancerooftroop390 I don't care how much salt and pepper you have on. My experience says otherwise. God bless...
@@hammeltron you should document and make a video of your findings
You are so full of it, GAF is straight trash. An anchored down panel flew off, but that asphalt tortilla chip GAF calls a "shingle" didn't? GTFO
Anybody have a good roofing similar to malarkey in south Florida?
Not at this time
And h never mentioned metal roofs ??
Your thoughts on metal roofs
They are the best. In most parts of the world, asphalt shingles are at best used on garden sheds.....
We didn’t rank any metal or tile roofs because they last a lot longer and are usually double the cost of asphalt shingle roofs
Of course Malarkey isn't available in Michigan, nor is Certainteed Landmark Pro but Lowes does have the inferior Landmark. Looks like it'll be Owens Corning Duration from Menards since at least it has "up to 25-year Algae Resistance Warranty" whatever that's worth, which is something you guys could've tested. Maybe I'll suggest it to Project Farm. Our TKO shingles were the very worst I've ever seen and didn't bother with the settlement since there's no way I'd ever trust IKO again.
CT LM Pros should be available both downstate MI and I know it is in the UP. Malarkey is available downstate MI
Can’t truly test algae resistance without it taking just about a full decade
I just thought this video was a bunch of malarkey.
Lol we thought so too!
A company offered me Pabco Premier. Are they not worthy to be included or ?
We cannot get Pabco in our area. To my knowledge, Pabco is only available in Canada and very select parts of the United States
@@reliancerooftroop390 Pabco is generally not available because it's so terrible that the local suppliers don't want their reputation mixed in with it. Occasionally we'll see roofers who bought Pabco direct in bulk and are using it on everything. It's my understanding (unverified) that the asphalt they use for their slurry is lower than any grade the other manufacturers will use, so it's hella cheap to manufacture.
Really needs to have a pricing ranking - skipping that misses a crucial criteria thst makes a big difference when choosing a shingle. Also would have liked full performance metrics on each test (granule loss), pictures on results after impact test, etc. Would have helped with not feeling as much like a sales ad for malarkey
Pricing is not consistent unfortunately when switching regions. Pricing does vary but all shingles tested are the main ones offered in our market (Chicago-Midwest-Great Lakes)
I am not able to post pictures here in the response but I know the granule loss results varied from 6.59 grams - 30.90 grams.
And yes, Malarkey does take the cake in the testing results. Not a sales ad. I encourage you to check out testing and results from other shingle tests (Roofing Insights)
Everyone has different testing criteria. Ours is more focused on performance and overall longevity. Thanks for watching!
@@reliancerooftroop390that makes sense on pricing, but I hink there should be some way to average them out or even put a disclaimer it's region specific - for instance, if the number 3 shingle costs much less on average then the number 2, it's very helpful to know, and if the 6th best shingle costs more then the 4th best that is also very informative. With the higher price you'd obviously expect a better product, and it also helps show outliers and great value shingles.
And yea, just having the specifics of how each performed per test and even standardizing the scoring between tests and showing what the totals were at the end and the difference between rankings is just much more enlightening.
Total scores are posted in the video with the rankings. As for price, there is not a big difference. Average price for homeowner is within a $1,000 range of each other for your average roof size (markets do vary). Other shingles not tested are in much higher price points. Hope this helps
this is a nice vid, but i thing you guys need to study Project Farm if you are going to be doing comparisons.
Thanks for the suggestion
Excellent reviews! But I do not understand how you do not recommend GAF Timberline HDZ when they companites offer incredible 50 year shingle warranty with full replacement and 25 year workmanship with transferrable warranty??? (I had 3 big companies come out and each gave about the exact same pitch and installed only GAF.)
A GAF insider said he quit the company because GAF figured out that the average person stays at their home for less then 7 years. The warranty is transferable once so the third owner gets no warranty. They ENGINEERED the GAF HDZ to last at LEAST 13 years, to accommodate this expected transfer, they may have to pay a few claims, to those that stay at their place, but not many, between people not registering the transfer, getting hailed out, the fact that 90% of houses are not properly vented, and people moving they can make a lot more money, and almost never pay out. It will catch up eventually, looks like they are still getting too much support. When I heard this I quit installing for them so fast, I couldn’t get other shingles stocked and we had some down time. I will not support cheating homeowners for extra profit.
I was a GAF fan/installer for many years, but started seeing cheapening and major issues, exactly as noted in this video, cracking and granule loss.
David, I recommend you go with what you feel comfortable with. If a company is offering you GAF’s extended warranty and you feel that will benefit you and your home’s equity, by all means go with GAF’s HDZ shingles
The purpose of this video is only to test the durability and longevity of the shingles and have fun in the process showing the results!
@@renurenovationsllc7780sounds logical. must be the best profit margin for roofers as to why the bigger companies install it.
@@danielwagenmaker6452 well after seeing this video there's no way I can be comfortable in getting GAF. out of 8 bids, 6 were GAF hdx, one bid for IKO Cambridge, and one gave 3 options for Pabco premier and Malarkey
I would like to know which shingle holds up the best in the brutal Phoenix, AZ heat?
Same here, I would wonder if the modified polymer ,which seems an advantage in most instances, would this be a disaventage in extreme heat areas becuz of it softening and the granules loosing adhesion ect.. seems in those areas ,they go for slate roofs
@@skip741x3 my thinking exactly! More asphalt in the shingle may be better in super hot areas of the country.
Good question! Malarkey is very popular in Texas due to its durability and true impact rating. Hot summers there. When installing any asphalt shingle in 90+ heat, it is important not to leave shingles (not yet installed) facedown where the shingle sealant can leave a tar strip mark on the already installed shingles.
Malarkey polymer modified shingles do not last in Florida. As a 20-year roofer, I have seen how all of these shingles fail over time in New York State, and in Florida. GAF, OC Duration, and IKO Dynasty seem to hold up the best in Florida. Malarkey is the #1 shingle in NYS and its not even close. Certainteed Landmark suffers extreme granule loss after 10 years. Atlas and IKO Cambridge and any Tamko shingles are the worst.
So Malarkey shingles are not available yet in the east coast such as New York and Florida but thank you for providing your opinion
Thank you for your insight because I am in Florida and planning to replace my 23 year old roof. I am in the process of comparing roofers and estimates; one roofer recommends OC Duration whereas a second roofer was pushing GAF (and used a 140 mph wind resistance gimmick). Thanks to the video, I now see how the cheaper GAF is used by the one roofer to lower the estimate cost, but in the long run it appears to be a cheaper/lesser quality product.
@OlsenTheWonderDog I live in Florida, and have been roofing for over 20 years. This guy is from the North. You should stick with GAF or Owen's Corning. No other shingle will hold up to the heat. You will get 20 plus years with either of the two brands. Gaf has a better warranty.
@@hammeltron Malarkey shingles are very common and installed all over Texas and even parts of Southern California
@@reliancerooftroop390 they are not sold in Florida
According to their website, OC Duration shingles are class 3 except the Flex and Storm which are class 4.
Yes, Owens Corning labeled their Duration shingle class 3 a few months after this video was published
@@reliancerooftroop390 Thanks. Would you still rank the Landmark Pro higher than Duration now that you know that? I'm guessing the Duration costs less. I'm trying to decide between the two since I can't get Malarkey in Alabama. May see if I can get an installer from Tennessee to drive down but not sure how that would work out if I had a problem.
That’s a good question. OC Duration would still come out lower than the LM Pro in my rankings.
I will say CT is thicker and has been rated a class 3 for years and easier to repair. Duration though is a good shingle and has nice color options.
You would be just fine going with either one! Those 2 are the best standard asphalt shingles
@@reliancerooftroop390 Thank you so much for your help!
@TG-vg3qe What shingle did you end up going with? I am in Alabama also; on the outskirts of Birmingham. After researching, I was set in Malarkey also, but then found there is no real distribution in Alabama....
Update: Owens Corning Duration has been improved and now has a class 3 rating and the only shingle with the fabric nailing strip featured in this video. Homeowners please check out what the roof will look like after installed on your home. This was NOT compared in this video.
Hey Brad, yes OC did upgrade their shingle to class 3 later in 2023. Just to be clear, OC has nice colors. However, objectively speaking, color has nothing to do with the performance of the roof and no bearing on longevity.
We're starting to see a pattern of 3+ in. hail so what then? How is insurance and the customers "impacted" when it comes to future claims that still damage these class 3/4 shingles?
If the market demand is there for bigger hail/impact ratings to withstand 3” hail, I’m sure the manufacturers will adjust.
@@reliancerooftroop390 mother nature will always win.
OC common bond is 3/8” not a true 1”.
The top of the sure nail strip is higher than the common bond area overlap. If the nails are installed at the top of the sure nail strip, the bottom half of the shingle is only being secured by the common bond sealant.
What about tamko titan xt
Not available in our market (yet) but I look forward to reviewing it hopefully by next year!
@@reliancerooftroop390 trying it monday ill let ya know
Wonder how GAF Ultra HDZ would compare, unfortunately I couldn't get Malarkey in my area.
I question how relevant these tests really are though for a typical roof over 20 years.
I’m curious as well! Their Ultra HDZ would definitely be a significant price hike, that is why it was not included.
@@reliancerooftroop390 only 1k more in my case
I have replaced 13 year old GAF roofs with terrible granule loss, and failing glue. This test is very accurate with what I have seen in the industry. I use Malarkey Vista AR because I have seen so many issues with Oxidized asphalt. If Malarkey was not available in my area, for my roof, I would drive clear across the country to get them. If I was an installer, with no access to Malarkey, I would try Atlas Pinnacle Impact. When you show people the difference, they immediately are willing to spend the additional $25.00 per sq to get category 4 impact resistant.
@renurenovationsllc7780 GAF UHDZ is a relatively new product so I'll see how it does...I checked into Malarkey but basically impossible to get here and shipping cost would be massive. Just not worth it I don't plan to be here more than 10 years. For every bad GAF review (new products) there are 2 good ones, I don't think the difference between most of these brands is that great. There are still many installers who report good results with GAF. CertainTeed also has a poor reputation for granular loss. Asphalt lasts 15-20 years. You need metal (conceled fastener such as Tilcor) or DaVinci composite to get true 30+ imo
@@fzr1000981
I have personally torn off MANY 30plus year old asphalt shingles. Some approaching 40 years, but ever since the mid 2000’s it seems manufactures have figured out that people live at their places less then 7 years so they can turn up the dial on the oxidation speed, and make more money by making brittle shingles and by selling people new shingles every 15-20 years. I am done with oxidized asphalt for this reason. I just looked at a GAF Hd roof that is under 15 years old with tons of granule loss. We just took off an early, slower oxidized Tamco that was over 30 years old, with twice the granules on them as the 15 year old GAFs. I was a GAF installer for 15 years. And I started seeing major issues, granules barely being attached, less asphalt, more brittle, so started checking into how shingles are made and settled on only Polymer Modified shingles.
Are you paid by or associated with malarkey in ANY way?
Hi Mark, thank you for asking! The company and the owner (Daniel) are not paid, endorsed or receive any kickback from Malarkey (unlike other shingle manufacturers that do give contractors rebates and rewards)
Malarkey does have a rewards program, but i've never redeemed any other points lol@@reliancerooftroop390
no duration flex or storm? huh
Great question! Owens Corning Duration does make a polymer modified asphalt shingle in the version name of “Flex” and “Storm”. I did not test these tiers shingles as well as others made by Atlas, Malarkey and GAF because the price point is a significant difference and does not belong in the same category.
A roof is only as good as it is installed
Yes, Sir! While low end products don’t always require high end install standards, higher end products require higher install standards. Something for the consumer to definitely be aware of.
alot of truth in that! it has to be the explanation for the Hugely conflicting reviews both from roofers and homeowners, where some have had great results and others had nothing but trouble with the same shingle brands...This disparity makes for real confusion in choosing a decent reliable shingle ,thats for sure!
Is simple. You get what you pay for.
HaHa!!
ol' boy using a telescoping back-scratcher to test for unsealed shingles!
Not sure if he's a hack or a genius . . . . but I'm gonna try so I can answer my question
What are you referring to?
Oops! Forgot to add timestamp. I’m on phone now but at 15:38 - guy in lower slope is using one if those claw fingered back scratchers to test for unsealed shingles. I’m gonna try it! 😂
Oh I see lol. That isn’t us, that’s a B-roll video (generic)
Watched the whole video. I agree with alot of the findings. However, the way you speak of Malarky really reduces your perceived credibility. I’m only speaking from the perspective of an outsider that doesn’t know you or your testing history.
I can see that, but we are (unsponsored) big fans for a reason. Malarkey truly sets themselves apart from the rest. With that being said, I would be excited about other manufacturers making bigger changes at a reasonable price point.
Good to know this roofer - @reliancerooftroop is not a sponsored by Malarky….
Does GAF really suck that bad?
Hopefully quality changes over time
Let's address some things. First, this guy is a roofing contractor that uses almost exclusively Malarkey products. So big shock that he is going to promote Malarkey products. Completely biased opinion. In addition, he is going to pick and choose stats and use specific words to make it seem like Malarkey is the best shingle on the market.
And if it just so happens to be that Malarkey outcompetes the competition's lines of shingles in EVERY single aspect like this man tried to highlight, then why is anyone using other manufacturers. I mean if Malarkey is better at literally every category, why would anyone buy other shingles?
Lastly, in the disclaimer he says that he isn't sponsored by, paid, or endorsed by Malarkey yet I can guarantee they are getting special pricing from their distributor. On their website you can see they CLEARLY favor Malarkey. You can be sure that they have cobranded materials like polos, hoodies, etc.
Hey Jadon, I made this video because I nerd out to testing and comparing shingles. Who doesn’t like a fun competition right?
I am guessing you install GAF. That’s fine. Just know that GAF does actually give contractors rebates and kickbacks based off the volume sold. Malarkey does not.
I encourage you to perform your own testing and document it. The results will speak for themselves.
Seriously… go test every shingle. And make a video.
Noticing a trend in the responses to anyone who critisizes the results of the so called "testing" taking place in this video. I have no dog in this fight but there is no way in hell a ROOFING CONTRACTOR of all people, that is running a business for profit should be relied upon to provide unbiased information in this instance. No one should swallow all of this MALARKEY (ironic) hook, line and sinker as if it's the gospel and unbiased. Wise up people!!!!
@@mattlawrence5552 I don’t know your background but whether you find this video helpful is up to you. I don’t know if you have prior experience with installing shingles but my results are similar to others who have tested them. The difference between my video and theirs is that I have some out of the box methods of testing to get down to the genuine “performance factor”. Then I go in greater length to explain the “so what” and WHY some considerations are important. In the end Matt, constructive feedback is better when addressing a disagreement but I do thank you for watching!
WHERE'S aTLAS
Hi, Atlas Pinnacle Pristine (their flagship line) is in this video. Thanks for the feedback!
He competes against GAF when pushing Malarkey. He knows his competitors will come behind him and pitch GAF so he's trashing then in advance.
You must install GAF? That’s fine. We are passionate about the products we offer and had fun testing all the shingles. Our competitors offer Owens Corning, Malarkey, and Certainteed as much as they do GAF.
As far as GAF, I’m open to hearing an upside on their shingle performance - not just their kickbacks and installer rebates.
Our quantitative tests say otherwise. Maybe GAF makes improvements in the future. Other manufacturers have already reached out to discuss making improvements. It benefits both the installer and homeowner to have better products that last longer.
Maybe watching this video is an opportunity to do your own testing and research and evaluate your own product offerings.
@@reliancerooftroop390 I'm not going to trash Malarkey. I'm sure they are great shingles. But after hurricane Ian we found that the new roofs that had issues weren't the GAF roofs. It's a common sales tactic to for companies to offer another brand and trash GAF. They know that GAF is the largest supplier of shingles so by trashing GAF they can also trash their competitors in the bidding process. Just had a competitor do this recently. They propped up Atlas and trashed GAF. Okay, so I just installed Atlas for the same price as my GAF bid. Problem solved. I've had great customer service with GAF and have really seen them back their products. They reimbursed one of my customers half the cost of their roof without even going through the warranty process. The Charcoal shingles looked discolored when initially installed but after a rainstorm and a few hot days to roof looked perfect, and the homeowner got their roof for half off. That is why I like GAF.
In our service area we do a lot of repairs on GAF roofs that are only 10 years old. A lot of our competitors offer Owens Corning shingles and we rated them well. There are also some very good companies in our area that offer Malarkey. This video was made to provide educational content. I think this video has provided more of an analytical approach to comparing shingles and the feedback speaks for itself. Yes, GAF contractors don’t like this video but I’m open to seeing an analytical/data driven approach that explains why GAF makes good/better shingles.
@@reliancerooftroop390 Where is my other comment? Did it get deleted?
No, it’s there…
Call me shocked. Every contractor ( roofing, HVAC, appliance) will endorse the brand they sell. Any review must be taken with a grain of salt if the "reviewer" installs/sells that brand, especially exclusively.
Let’s just think about what you said. What contractor does not endorse the products they sell? Few, however, will go to great lengths to explain WHY. Our process of explaining why is grounded in long term performance and getting your money’s worth out of your new roof. We are proud to install Malarkey shingles. Any roofing contractor will agree they are better shingles. Some contractors refuse to offer it because it costs more and lasts too long to get any repeat business.
@@reliancerooftroop390 When the "expert" is a brand dealer, its a commercial rather than a review and should be taken as such. j/s
@@TGK4LSU but we are not a dealer. And if there was a better product on this video and we were not offering it, would that be a disservice to homeowners?
Weight not *weigt* 🤦♂️
So this is a malarkey advertisement.😂
Not quite, but Malarkey has set itself apart from the rest of the shingle manufacturers. I would like to see the others improve their quality and value so homeowners can benefit
This video is very misleading. You can tell this guy and his company are biased towards Malarkey. They are certified through Malarkey, Owen’s Corning and CertainTeed (according to their website). Makes sense why they would rank those shingles higher! What a joke.
Maybe Malarkey actually stands up to the tests and performs well. It doesn’t take much research online to figure that out.
We want to offer the best asphalt shingles out there on the market. There are plenty of other contractors who offer low grade materials and it sometimes shows in their quality standard with workmanship and customer service.
Which side of the fence would you rather be on?
@@reliancerooftroop390 Good for you guys for wanting the "Best materials" for your homeowners. I think the industry has sadly gone away from quality and keeping the homeowner's best interest in consideration. However, I don't think you're giving some manufacturers enough credit and are giving some of them a little too much credit. Just my opinion.
@@Oregon80085sounds like you are a contractor. What shingles do not get enough credit? What gets too much credit? Why?
Asphalt shingles are trash in general, all of them... I wish slate didn't cost an arm and a leg😢
Slate roofs are beautiful and last a century
Those crappy looking Asphalt shingles you showed were actually organic shingles. They never should have been invented.
Organic shingles are no longer made today by any shingle manufacturer. While comments are appreciated, we prefer and welcome any criticism to be constructive
@@reliancerooftroop390 it was a picture of an old roof
wow GAF sucks!
hey man, I dont like your review. I just spent a ton of money on GAF HDZ roof. Now i feel like I got ripped off. Thanks pal, way to shit on me.
My current roofer is trying to sell me on GAF, that's why I am researching before signing on the dotted line.
@@hernanreyes2115 I was just joking, my roof looks really good.
Thank you for taking the time to watch
@@hernanreyes2115I am researching before replacing my roof as well. One roofer was pushing GAF while another roofer with more experience (years in business) recommended OC Duration. After watching the video, I am inclined to go with OC Duration.
@waynebrady1956 I don't know what region you are at, but here in Chatham-Kent Ontario, Canada I've installed GAF TimberlineHDZ shingles on over 20 houses over the last 2 years and haven't had any issues. They seal well in the sun even with temperatures just above freezing.
Weight is not spelled weigt erase that.😂🤣