The profound beauty in this early Ravel piece

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  • @skylarlimex
    @skylarlimex  8 місяців тому +131

    This piece will always have a special place in my heart. Discovered it in one of those piano books with a variety of other famous pieces like Satie's Gymnopedie no.1 and Brahms' intermezzo in A major but the Pavane was the one I'd immediately fell in love with. I showed the piece to my piano teacher and told her about this composer I've never heard of "reh-vl", she laughed and insisted that I listen to Ravel's Introduction and Allegro for harp, and my love for Ravel began from there...

    • @duryi6399
      @duryi6399 8 місяців тому +4

      Listen to the orchestral version, Ravel is the best orchestrator

    • @waliaphellps1745
      @waliaphellps1745 8 місяців тому

      @@duryi6399… or at least they have told you so, so you repeat it.

    • @giampierogirolamo7134
      @giampierogirolamo7134 8 місяців тому +1

      nothing bad in repeating something true

    • @waliaphellps1745
      @waliaphellps1745 8 місяців тому

      @@giampierogirolamo7134 Of course, but you know what I mean, don't you?

  • @Dee.CeeHaich
    @Dee.CeeHaich 2 місяці тому +6

    This piece has always moved me to tears. It carries an aura of nostalgia, as if there is a distant, happy memory inside your mind, a gentle sadness that isn’t overwhelming but still tugs at the heartstrings
    This. Is. Music.

  • @BsktImp
    @BsktImp 8 місяців тому +34

    I think I discovered this piece in mid-teens and late when I was going through a rough time at university I think I had the orchestral version on near-constant loop. It's such a contemplative, reflective piece of music. I know if's poor form to pick favourite bits but the diminuendo and harp arpeggio around 02:47 'gets me' everytime.

    • @skylarlimex
      @skylarlimex  8 місяців тому +15

      Who ever said it's bad to pick favourite bits?

    • @marinadela1361
      @marinadela1361 7 місяців тому +2

      "Poor form" where did you ever get that from? It's only human nature.

  • @kirbyyourenthusiasm
    @kirbyyourenthusiasm 8 місяців тому +91

    Little fun fact about this piece: Despite the name "Pavane for a Dead Princess", it's not actually about a dead princess at all. Ravel said it was actually about "a princess of the past" and that he just liked the sound of it.
    EDIT: Also he was 24, WOW

    • @skylarlimex
      @skylarlimex  8 місяців тому +18

      I found it horribly difficult to pronounce back then, I still do.

    • @whateverfin
      @whateverfin 8 місяців тому +1

      There are some murmurings in the french horn world that the "princess" is the old valveless horn, and the new valved horn is singing in memory of her predecessor. I really doubt there is any validity there, but it's something we like to say within the horn community :)

    • @whateverfin
      @whateverfin 8 місяців тому

      Obviously that really only applies to the orchestrated version, but it's still cute to think about hahaha

    • @NHO12209
      @NHO12209 8 місяців тому

      ​@@whateverfinthat's a really fun idea😂

    • @russellbaston974
      @russellbaston974 8 місяців тому +3

      Although Ravel was rather enigmatic about the Princess, he did say it was evoked by “the Princess in the painting by Velasquez “. Ravel’s family on his mother’s side were Spanish. The painting is Las Meninas and the princess is the Infanta Margarita Teresa, the word defunte also means ‘departed’ and Ravel imho was writing as much about an age gone by, departed, as an individual.

  • @Lion_online
    @Lion_online 8 місяців тому +10

    The transition B theme from shady heart-wrenching oboe solo to ppp strings yet illuminated with warm harmonies is one of the most moving parts for me. Young Ravel's undeniable talent is sparkling everywhere in this piece.
    Thank you for picking up my favourite composer of all. Please do more!

  • @rgarlinyc
    @rgarlinyc 3 місяці тому +2

    Your story of discovering Pavane and your subsequent enchantment by Ravel - almost perfectly mirrors my own journey!

  • @AydarAkhmady
    @AydarAkhmady 8 місяців тому +17

    I remember how much I cried when I listened to it for the first time.

  • @nourytime9804
    @nourytime9804 8 місяців тому +11

    Was just listening to this before you made this video, what great timing!

  • @cecilgriffiths6399
    @cecilgriffiths6399 8 місяців тому +10

    Absolutely gorgeous piece of music! 🙏🙌❤️

  • @tarikeld11
    @tarikeld11 8 місяців тому +8

    2:09 - 17 most Ravel sounding chord progression ever

  • @claudefazio
    @claudefazio 8 місяців тому +6

    A beautiful, wistful early work of Ravel, which he wrote while attending the Paris Conservatory. The piece is at times challenging to play though it looks deceptively easy on the score.

  • @tyler-qr5jn
    @tyler-qr5jn 2 дні тому

    was fun to learn this, love this piece

  • @JudithMarie-g9r
    @JudithMarie-g9r 8 місяців тому +5

    This stopped me in my tracks and took me into a contemplative peace. I feel my small soft smile, closed eyes with tears, deep breathing…such beauty that gave a broken heart a desire to love again.

  • @tzk667
    @tzk667 8 місяців тому

    I’ve been playing this on repeat lately!!! Then your video popped up on my UA-cam today 😁😁

  • @vibey8558
    @vibey8558 8 місяців тому +8

    Coincidentally, I've been listening to multiple recordings of this piece and wanted to analyse it to better my own compositions.
    Thanks a lot for your videos and efforts!!!!❤

    • @skylarlimex
      @skylarlimex  8 місяців тому +4

      Richter's version is unbeatable imo

  • @albal156
    @albal156 8 місяців тому +9

    I played this piece adapted for french horn for my Grade 6 I think. Its such a beautiful piece by Ravel. Did he do this for piano first and then adapt it for orchestra?

    • @skylarlimex
      @skylarlimex  8 місяців тому +9

      Exactly! It was very common for ravel to write his piano pieces first and orchestrate them later on, the question is whether he'd written his piano pieces with the orchestra in mind.

  • @donotapply6202
    @donotapply6202 8 місяців тому +2

    Thank you I love this piece!!!

  • @WilliamYeaman-s8y
    @WilliamYeaman-s8y 8 місяців тому +1

    Check out the version of this by John Williams and Julian Bream. Perfect.

  • @samueltaylor9935
    @samueltaylor9935 8 місяців тому +1

    This piece been remixed twice: The Lamp is Low --> Aruarian Dance.

  • @nasmythpreacher3260
    @nasmythpreacher3260 8 місяців тому

    Gorgeous one, even if it did take me by surprise since I'm used to hearing it on the French Horn in an orchestral setting! Which is still just as gorgeous on the piano, given the clarity of the harmony in the left hand which is not as clearly heard in the horn solo version!

    • @skylarlimex
      @skylarlimex  8 місяців тому +1

      It's hard to choose between the original piano versions and the orchestra ones sometimes...to me it seems like there's more leeway for rubato and interesting voicings when it's solo piano.

  • @sanjosemike3137
    @sanjosemike3137 8 місяців тому

    Ravel had a particular genius for orchestration. I don't know if any other composer (exception Rimsky Korsakov) who was as talented. But his gift for heartbreakingly beautiful melodies was right at the top. (The Mother Goose Suite). There are others of course.
    Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)

  • @evanever
    @evanever 8 місяців тому +2

    I have been trying to write a pavane inspired by this and of course Faure's f-sharp minor pavane. It's very difficult to capture the sense of timelessness that they both do. And how does someone write a melody like that?!

    • @skylarlimex
      @skylarlimex  8 місяців тому +1

      The secret is in the modality and 7th chords

  • @VeronikaPianist
    @VeronikaPianist 8 місяців тому

    Wow amazing👏👏❤️

  • @MisterPathetique
    @MisterPathetique 8 місяців тому

    I hope you'll cover some bits of Daphnis et Chloé at some point!

  • @mattwallis1893
    @mattwallis1893 8 місяців тому +2

    Good one Skylar!

    • @skylarlimex
      @skylarlimex  8 місяців тому +1

      Thanks Matt, hope you're well.

  • @armaxs28
    @armaxs28 8 місяців тому +1

    Absolutely delicious.

  • @ikego98
    @ikego98 8 місяців тому

    I would actually analyse the whole A section in E aeolian, with a v - i cadence on bar 2, a Phrygian cadence on bar 6 and a cadence on e aeolian again at the start of bar 11 (bars 8 and 9 would indeed be a ii - V in G major, but with a deceptive cadence leading back to e aeolian. The chord planing stopping on the b minor chord would then serve as a preparation for the b pedal point in the next section

    • @skylarlimex
      @skylarlimex  8 місяців тому

      I absolutely agree with you and I had to consider the two options. The cadences do seem to allude to E aeolian, though the piece does start in G major and alludes to G major quite a fair bit too. I concluded with a mid ground of sorts by doing the harmonic analysis in G major and stating that an analysis in E aeolian is completely valid. I find that Ravel's music is often ambiguously modal, even the B theme seems to be in B aeolian but the cadences are in D major...

    • @ikego98
      @ikego98 8 місяців тому

      @@skylarlimex absolutely! The whole piece (and indeed a lot of Ravel's work) seems to play with ambiguity, often leading to different completely plausible analyses, depending on how one hears the music.

    • @skylarlimex
      @skylarlimex  8 місяців тому

      @@ikego98 thanks for confirming that I'm not indeed crazy 😅

  • @tasthearchivist
    @tasthearchivist 8 місяців тому

    Is it common to write the half note and have the quarter notes like that, in the first bar, instead of using tied quarter notes? (novice at music notation)

    • @skylarlimex
      @skylarlimex  8 місяців тому

      Do you mean eighth notes? I don't see any other way to write the first bar...

    • @tasthearchivist
      @tasthearchivist 8 місяців тому

      @@skylarlimex Yes. I see, thanks.

  • @luckdemirz6542
    @luckdemirz6542 8 місяців тому

    Serú Girán Reference 0:48

  • @johnchessant3012
    @johnchessant3012 8 місяців тому +7

    Do you think Ravel might have been partially inspired by Chopin's étude op. 10 no. 3?

    • @skylarlimex
      @skylarlimex  8 місяців тому +3

      How so?

    • @johnchessant3012
      @johnchessant3012 8 місяців тому +4

      @@skylarlimex I tried playing it and the lower line in the right hand feels similar, but it might just be a coincidence

    • @skylarlimex
      @skylarlimex  8 місяців тому +6

      @@johnchessant3012 I see what you mean. Perhaps it'd be interesting to see what other piano pieces have a similar configuration...

    • @DevrimJan
      @DevrimJan 8 місяців тому +6

      @@skylarlimexthe A theme from the adagio cantabile in Beethoven’s opus 13 comes to mind.

    • @koshcheithedeathless
      @koshcheithedeathless 8 місяців тому +3

      ​@@DevrimJan та фактура, которая в начале Паванны - это в принципе фактура, свойственная хоральным прелюдиям - как например Хоральная прелюдия f-moll Баха. Вот Вы еще вспомнили примеры использования фактуры хоральной прелюдии - медленная часть из "Патетической" сонаты Бетховена.
      А если говорить про этюд Шопена N3 из op.10, то там имеено поющая фактура и в сопрано - подражание belcanto

  • @tatanedupont6400
    @tatanedupont6400 8 місяців тому

    The real title of this piece is: “Pavane pour une Infante Défunte”. The English translation does not capture the beauty of the French expression. An Infanta being a Spanish Princess, daughter of the King. Maurice Ravel being born in the French Basque Country, he was very influenced by Hispanic culture such as "Boléro", "Rapsodie Espagne" or "Alborada del gracioso". Created in 1899 for the Princess de Polignac, her patron, this piece was first played by a friend, the Catalan pianist Ricardo Viñes in Barcelona in 1902, before its orchestration in 1910.

  • @meme-ek2hc
    @meme-ek2hc 8 місяців тому

    Rachmaninoff's Elegie no 3 please!

    • @skylarlimex
      @skylarlimex  8 місяців тому

      That might be possible!

    • @meme-ek2hc
      @meme-ek2hc 8 місяців тому

      @@skylarlimex Thank you!

  • @goothi8443
    @goothi8443 8 місяців тому

    what piece is this?

  • @alexshih3747
    @alexshih3747 8 місяців тому +7

    This is probably the saddest piece ever written in a major key.

    • @SpaghettiToaster
      @SpaghettiToaster 3 місяці тому

      Dvorak's op. 11 violin romance is another strong contender.

    • @AllNewYear
      @AllNewYear Місяць тому

      Even still there's a gentle warmth, a feeling of comfort and consolation to it. It's like a "everything will be okay" kind of comfort to the sadness. Not a happy piece in the traditional sense, but I can't call it sad or depressing, I think it being in G Major is largely why.

  • @fantom9611
    @fantom9611 8 місяців тому

    Очень похоже визуально на тему Chopin Etude op. 10 no 3

  • @geopaxo
    @geopaxo 7 місяців тому

    I can’t lie I much prefer the version with horn solo

    • @skylarlimex
      @skylarlimex  7 місяців тому

      Coming from a hornist, I can't say I'm surprised

  • @An-br7hb
    @An-br7hb 8 місяців тому

    Name?

    • @jensthunbo
      @jensthunbo 7 місяців тому

      Maurice Ravel: Pavane pour une infante defunte
      He made a beautiful version for orchestra, too. But the theme and chords speak for themselves. I fell in love with this piece in my youth, hearing a duo arrangement by the renowned guitarists Julian Bream and John Williams.

  • @normalizedaudio2481
    @normalizedaudio2481 8 місяців тому

    We got to slur our rests. These notations are so strange like Jazz is strange too. Parallel 5th 01:34 Bad boy.