How to transform a theme (scalar mapping demonstration)

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  • A demonstration of how to transform a musical theme, using scalar mapping, along with reharmonization and orchestration.
    This is part of a series on transforming and developing musical ideas.
    Watch the longform explanation videos about scalar mapping here:
    • How to make a musical ...
    • How to practice transf...
    Download worksheets on scalar mapping, or variations on "Amazing Grace" for solo organ in the Patreon shop (and get more content such as scores, tutorials, Dorico files, and early access to videos
    / galendegraf
    The changing character of this theme has a lot to do with changes to orchestration and harmony in addition to the melodic transformation that takes place moving between scales. However, just playing all the examples on the same instrument isn't nearly as much fun...
    Amazing Grace uses the tune "New Britain." Because the melody only uses notes of a pentatonic scale, it could have been measured in terms of an underlying pentatonic scale. However, for this video, I will only be mapping it based on an underlying major scale.
    Update: by request in the comments, the examples from this video are now available to stream individually through Soundcloud here: / al63bz99qu7xwapua
    SOFTWARE AND HARDWARE USED
    Graphic design/animation: Adobe Photoshop, Final Cut Pro
    Music notation: Dorico
    Audio examples: Cubase with Native Instruments Noire and Orchestral Tools Berlin Series
    Microphone: Shure MV7 amzn.to/3WoVPlm
    CHAPTERS
    0:00 Intro
    1:22 Major
    2:04 Minor
    2:57 Octatonic
    3:48 Chromatic
    4:38 Pentatonic
    Disclaimer: some links found in the description of videos may be affiliate links, meaning I will make a commission on sales you make through my link at no cost to you.
    #musictheory #composer #scales

КОМЕНТАРІ • 215

  • @JohnSmith-gv1fp
    @JohnSmith-gv1fp 3 місяці тому +239

    Galen, is amazing grace not already a pentatonic melody?

    • @GalenDeGraf
      @GalenDeGraf  3 місяці тому +137

      Great question, and very worth clarifying! "Amazing Grace" uses only notes of a pentatonic scale, and--since the pentatonic scale is a subset of a major scale--the melody can hence be measured at the outset either in terms of a pentatonic scale or in terms of a major scale. Each starting point will produce different musical results when transferring those relationships onto another scale. (As an example the opening interval C-F would be +3 scale steps in major, but only +2 scale steps in pentatonic.) I've chosen to think in terms of major since I found those results more compelling, and also a lot easier to follow in quick a demonstration. However, you absolutely can start by saying it's pentatonic instead of major as I've done in this video.
      EDIT: Explanation video is out now! ua-cam.com/video/6joUB_0BOiE/v-deo.html

    • @stephenmessano1847
      @stephenmessano1847 3 місяці тому +12

      @@GalenDeGraf Thank you for the clarification.

    • @jamesrockybullin5250
      @jamesrockybullin5250 2 місяці тому +11

      This question highlights that this is not as much a compositional technique and more a series of aesthetic choices.

    • @GalenDeGraf
      @GalenDeGraf  2 місяці тому +19

      There seem to be two fundamental questions within the comments section of this video:
      1) "How does the technique work to map from one scale to another?"
      2) "Why do these variations sound different?"
      There are several comment threads that are about aesthetic choices, which I‘ve enjoyed reading through. Even though the first question in this thread was more about how the technique works, I can follow up on your comment as well (which is more about why they sound different). In the video, I demonstrate how a technique might inspire and interact with other musical choices. Mapping onto another scale was the starting point, but there‘s a lot going on in addition: orchestration, reharmonization, ornamentation, and metric adjustments. When all these combine, that’s when things get really interesting, but scalar mapping also takes on a lesser role in why these transformations all sound so different.
      And sidenote just to be clear for anyone reading this thread: if people here don‘t understand how I got from a melody that was already pentatonic to a different melody that was also pentatonic, I don‘t blame you at all, because this was only a *demonstration*, not an *explanation*. I will put out a longer explanation video to youTube later. If you can’t wait for that one, the Patreon site already has a different 15-minute video of exercises with more info than you get in this one.
      EDIT: Explanation video is out now! You can watch it here ua-cam.com/video/6joUB_0BOiE/v-deo.html

    • @jamesrockybullin5250
      @jamesrockybullin5250 2 місяці тому +6

      @@GalenDeGraf Ah, when I said choices, I wasn't referring to orchestration, harmonisation, metre or anything; I was referring to the scalar mapping itself. What you're dancing around in this video is the idea of cyphers: taking some input notes, transforming them using some form of algorithm, and producing some output notes.
      You choose the algorithm. But not only that, you also chose how to interpret the input notes. You interpreted the original melody as degrees of the major scale, but as was pointed out, an equally valid interpretation is as degrees of the pentatonic scale. Or the chromatic scale is equally valid. You could interpret it in the octatonic scale and omit notes that don't map. You could interpret each pair of notes as one input. Or each note as a pitch-duration coordinate. Or hell, just take an enigma machine and type the letter names of your note input! There are so many ways of interpreting the input; that's what I meant when I said this is more about aesthetic choices than following an algorithmic scalar mapping.
      Now, when we're introducing the idea of melodic transformation, it can be useful to assign terms to basic transformations, e.g., transposition, inversion, augmentation, retrograde... But once you get beyond those basic transformations, it becomes less important to teach specific transformations than the idea of transformation itself.

  • @AzizSugianto28
    @AzizSugianto28 2 місяці тому +126

    so this is how a movie score composer makes a movie music theme for different scenes. thanks for sharing.

    • @GalenDeGraf
      @GalenDeGraf  2 місяці тому +26

      Definitely! My next longform video will include how John Powell uses this technique in his score to How to Train Your Dragon.

  • @ImpliedMusic
    @ImpliedMusic 3 місяці тому +367

    "i used to make more music theory puns, but i'm trying to scale back." 😅

    • @eddieandmaxie
      @eddieandmaxie 3 місяці тому +1

      Oh my god thats crazy 😂😂😂😂

    • @Pisceanripple
      @Pisceanripple 2 місяці тому +1

      Lol

    • @duartevader2709
      @duartevader2709 2 місяці тому +4

      Should have done scale Bach smh

    • @yourangelrr
      @yourangelrr 2 місяці тому +1

      🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @paulmayer8654
      @paulmayer8654 2 місяці тому +4

      You don’t even skip a beat. It’s a minor flaw in your personality. I don’t c major change coming though.

  • @miranhanordestino1554
    @miranhanordestino1554 2 місяці тому +112

    octatonic was way more mysterious than necessary, perfect

    • @vuadam-akkor405
      @vuadam-akkor405 28 днів тому

      I imagine actions from Starwars scene:)))

  • @JebediahFeed
    @JebediahFeed 2 місяці тому +36

    The minor one sounded like something straight out of LOTR soundtrack

  • @SashaL_music
    @SashaL_music 3 місяці тому +70

    I LOVE the octatonic one

    • @GalenDeGraf
      @GalenDeGraf  3 місяці тому +2

      Check out this subtle octatonic mapping from Middle Earth! ua-cam.com/video/j0SpAYg-ZiY/v-deo.htmlsi=fjcCYvgham0kHJ-9&t=1005

    • @Marunius
      @Marunius 2 місяці тому +3

      Reminds me of Severance theme ;D

    • @Angelina-dx9qv
      @Angelina-dx9qv 28 днів тому +1

      Sounds like Erik Satie a mix of his Gymnopedies and Gnossiennes

  • @user-jr7rh8ei5d
    @user-jr7rh8ei5d 3 місяці тому +178

    The minor version is really surprising. I thought exclusively using major chords to harmonize would overshadow the minor/sad sound, but somehow it shines through.

    • @GalenDeGraf
      @GalenDeGraf  3 місяці тому +46

      I find a lot of the character on that one comes from the orchestration too. If the chords were in the brass section, it would sound far more triumphant. And that‘s what happens in Howard Shore‘s "fellowship" leitmotif in his score to Lord of the Rings (minor melody, harmonized all major triads, but usually orchestrated with more brass for the chords). Using strings as I did softens the character a lot.

    • @oddguys178
      @oddguys178 2 місяці тому +7

      The music really swells, its bitter sweet

    • @DiscoInTheNunnery
      @DiscoInTheNunnery 2 місяці тому +3

      I think the major chords function more as rootless minor chords in that context. The first few bars establish a minor/Lydian sound.

    • @GalenDeGraf
      @GalenDeGraf  2 місяці тому +4

      Depending on which chords are used as harmonies, that mapping/harmonization combination often ends up leaning lydian to varying degrees. I touch on this some in the longer video of exercises.

    • @Whatismusic123
      @Whatismusic123 2 місяці тому +2

      it doesn't. it's literally just Db major. more specifically, Db Lydian. that's probably why you're so confused.

  • @anomymouse5043
    @anomymouse5043 3 місяці тому +57

    Warning: Octatonic version and chromatic version should be listened to only in daytime. Furthermore, you have to look out for psychopathic killers and evil demons while you listen to those versions. Clearly something very evil is about to happen....

    • @avigailomichael
      @avigailomichael 2 місяці тому +2

      😂😂😂😂

    • @samuelolufemi9311
      @samuelolufemi9311 2 місяці тому +1

      😂😂😂👌🏽

    • @yashkummar
      @yashkummar 2 місяці тому

      I agree

    • @irbomusic
      @irbomusic 19 днів тому

      I like how this was unironically what religious leaders in the middle ages believed

  • @RichardASalisbury1
    @RichardASalisbury1 3 місяці тому +23

    Each version is different from the others, interesting, and musically convincing.

  • @lim7lim
    @lim7lim 2 місяці тому +14

    The minor over major and the pentatonic were gorgeous

  • @TheNotSeeingEye
    @TheNotSeeingEye 3 місяці тому +48

    I love the pedal tone composition for the octatonic melody! That's such a good way to make such a unique harmonic pallet all stay grounded and well... not bad.

    • @GalenDeGraf
      @GalenDeGraf  3 місяці тому +4

      Agreed! Credit to Theodore Shapiro on the pedal tone idea there!

  • @KalebPeters99
    @KalebPeters99 Місяць тому +2

    This is a cool idea!
    But I almost love even *more* your VISUAL choices here. The thumbnail was so enticing, and the imagery during each variation is so evocative! Keep it up, man!

    • @GalenDeGraf
      @GalenDeGraf  Місяць тому

      @@KalebPeters99 If you dug the visuals in this, let me know what you think about my most recent vid, or some of my Middle Earth music analyses!

  • @justinmanser7525
    @justinmanser7525 2 місяці тому +10

    So this is great. I've been a bassist for decades, using it to write simple pop songs using a lot of tapping....About 5 days ago I started to really try to learn piano and I can attribute my enthusiasm to do so through wanting to play the theme to Severence. Now although on a bass I'm very good at playing left and right hand somewhat independently (although there is a lot of call.response) keyboard is completely different and a real buzz to accomplish. Day 1 left hand, 2 I got the firsy little M7m7 melody thing, day3 trying that decending but on day 4 it was better and today I got it...but man it's really weird learning stuff like that at my age (51).
    This explaination of themes really is great for trying out different styles of improvisation I'm sure and helps to define a lot of advanced theory composors obviously use...I'm sure I heard some Marvel cinamatic themes in there!!!
    Thanks very educational stuff!

  • @GalenDeGraf
    @GalenDeGraf  3 місяці тому +15

    youTube said I should make a channel trailer, so here it is! It's also a trailer for two longform theory videos on moving a theme between different scales. The second of those videos is a set of exercises demonstrated in this video and you can already access it through Patreon. There are also exercises in that video that weren't in this video, like my Debussy style whole tone mapping and a Harry Potter style chromatic mapping.

  • @Goosebump837
    @Goosebump837 Місяць тому +1

    Pentatonic one made my morning glorious. I mean it - this is really cool

  • @familiarstranger9617
    @familiarstranger9617 2 місяці тому +2

    i love how much joy this brings you and me

  • @WACkZerden
    @WACkZerden Місяць тому +1

    pentatonic was nice... thank you for playing through them all with no talking between lol. Your demonstration is very easy to listen to

  • @kevinbengi
    @kevinbengi 2 місяці тому +1

    The octatonic is just on another level, each of these prints out different moods and they are all very interesting at least I have learnt something new today

  • @luizmenezes9971
    @luizmenezes9971 3 місяці тому +34

    Major - The churchlike experience
    Minor - The most sad and depressing thing I ever heard
    Octatonic - The sci-fi version
    Chromatic - Sounds like something demented
    Pentatonic - Incredibly relaxing

    • @Marunius
      @Marunius 2 місяці тому +12

      The minor version was more like superhero / fantasy game or movie, not that sad.

    • @lucassism6726
      @lucassism6726 2 місяці тому +2

      I did not trust the octatonic

    • @john_molden
      @john_molden 2 місяці тому +1

      Octotonic does sound like an arcade video game
      But the chromatic sounds like something the Phantom would write

    • @ldgarius
      @ldgarius 2 місяці тому +1

      If that's the saddeset, you're in for a treat buddy

    • @y0hal0
      @y0hal0 2 місяці тому

      major can sound very sad too

  • @Hugo-ej1hb
    @Hugo-ej1hb 2 місяці тому +4

    Minor version reminds me of Ennio Morricone’s film scores!❤

  • @romandubois6473
    @romandubois6473 3 місяці тому +3

    Can't believe I only just discovered your channel, amazing work !

  • @KevinTPLim
    @KevinTPLim Місяць тому

    Beautifully demonstrated and illustrated, thank you!!

  • @MatthewEverettGates
    @MatthewEverettGates 26 днів тому +1

    Fabulous demonstration!! Thanks!

  • @sojh17
    @sojh17 3 місяці тому +2

    This is so useful! I'll need to check out those exercises soon here.

  • @G8tr1522
    @G8tr1522 2 місяці тому +4

    god i love this so much. i wish this was taught more in schools.

  • @SilverGoldYT
    @SilverGoldYT Місяць тому +2

    Oh I'm so happy to see Severance, I love that show and it needs to be praised more

    • @GalenDeGraf
      @GalenDeGraf  Місяць тому

      Show and score are both so great and original!

  • @xenocrates2559
    @xenocrates2559 2 місяці тому +4

    That was very interesting. In my own music I have mapped a pentatonic melody from one pentatonic scale onto another pentatonic scale (for example: A-C-D-E-G to A-B-C-E-G or A-Bb-D-Eb-G) and from one 7-tone scale to another like major to minor to dorian, etc. I like the effect these changes have; it's recognizable yet also intriguingly different. But I haven't done the kind of mapping you presented here from a major to an octatonic. Even more intriguing. Thanks.

  • @nachfullbarertrank5230
    @nachfullbarertrank5230 2 місяці тому +2

    Awesome vid! I'm learning more about writing, and transformation and variation is my personal obsession.

  • @nilsandrae
    @nilsandrae 2 місяці тому +1

    I get a Chrono Trigger feel from these different versions. Love it!

  • @Fatuzci
    @Fatuzci 3 місяці тому +2

    Thank you very much Galen!

  • @gustheGOATfr
    @gustheGOATfr 3 місяці тому +6

    pentatonic scale is actually crazy

  • @JevatJes
    @JevatJes 2 місяці тому

    One of the best discoveries I've had this year: you
    +1 sub

  • @nitroperformanceguy
    @nitroperformanceguy 2 місяці тому +1

    THIS IS INCREDIBLE.

  •  2 місяці тому +1

    L-o-v-e-l-y work! The Chromatic is lovely scaring, haha... And the Octatonic with the pedal... No words, it reminds me some Gurdjieff compositions... the color...

  • @MyFal717
    @MyFal717 2 місяці тому +1

    Amazing job dude

  • @RJ_Eckie
    @RJ_Eckie Місяць тому

    I’d never heard of the octatonic scale before but I love that version!!

  • @thisisjuliacosta
    @thisisjuliacosta 3 місяці тому +27

    Pentatonic actually gave me an eargasm

    • @GalenDeGraf
      @GalenDeGraf  3 місяці тому +9

      Definitely a feeling of release by having the most consonant one right after the most dissonant!

    • @hom2fu
      @hom2fu 2 місяці тому

      limiting pitches is one of the most power tool.

  • @Ivan_1791
    @Ivan_1791 3 місяці тому +3

    Very interesting video. I'm sure people will find it useful. :)

  • @caoxuanphu7324
    @caoxuanphu7324 2 місяці тому +1

    Pentatonic sounds gorgeous

  • @tabor503
    @tabor503 3 місяці тому +2

    That Octotonic was sick!

  • @patrickloiseleur
    @patrickloiseleur 2 місяці тому

    So brilliant !

  • @tankiplay5383
    @tankiplay5383 Місяць тому

    This is so peculiar... I barely orientate in English music terms, but I think I understand the concept subconsciously... And it sound wondrous 😇

  • @fellipemuniz1762
    @fellipemuniz1762 2 місяці тому +2

    I’d listen to this pentatonic for 10h straight up

    • @GalenDeGraf
      @GalenDeGraf  2 місяці тому +2

      Glad you liked it! I’ve got all these up on Soundcloud now if you want it as a single track.
      on.soundcloud.com/6mCC1zc1zexXTqhz9

  • @gabriellem.5519
    @gabriellem.5519 2 місяці тому

    really interesting... I will try it

  • @dieideederimprovisation8436
    @dieideederimprovisation8436 2 місяці тому

    Intersting idea. Thanks.

  • @yashkummar
    @yashkummar 2 місяці тому +1

    I prefer minor. Has a nice touch to it

  • @ilexopaca9835
    @ilexopaca9835 Місяць тому

    Octatonic scale gives lavender town vibes... good.

  • @slo7819
    @slo7819 2 місяці тому

    Thank you ❤

  • @Guto-df3hq
    @Guto-df3hq 2 місяці тому

    Muitíssimo bom, incrível... Ganhou mais um inscrito!

  • @lucapreston1184
    @lucapreston1184 Місяць тому +1

    the backgrounds got me

  • @tinikadavis2412
    @tinikadavis2412 2 місяці тому

    I enjoyed the Octatonic and Pentatonic. Minor over major chords was interesting as well

  • @chrisslove5307
    @chrisslove5307 2 місяці тому

    How to flip a sample tutorial without getting caught,Part 1. 😁 Dude, great job!

  • @andreswainselboim9217
    @andreswainselboim9217 3 місяці тому +2

    Nice video Galen! Incidentally I've just been rereading Lerdahl's Tonal Pitch Space, this seems quite closely related.

    • @GalenDeGraf
      @GalenDeGraf  3 місяці тому +3

      I was thinking a lot about Dmitri Tymoczko‘s "A Geometry of Music" as I did this. It‘s been at least a decade since I read Lerdahl’s "Tonal Pitch Space“ though. Thanks for the rec to revisit it!

  • @msoat34
    @msoat34 2 місяці тому +3

    Octatonic my beloved

  • @ZalexMusic
    @ZalexMusic 2 місяці тому +2

    in the chromatic version i hear a bit of the horn part from Rhapsody in Blue's love theme (3 descending notes where the accent changes each time around)

  • @dindin3655
    @dindin3655 Місяць тому

    the minor over major sounds very starwarsy great

  • @allenchuck1425
    @allenchuck1425 2 місяці тому

    Aw thanks you so much

  • @erikeriknorman
    @erikeriknorman 2 місяці тому +1

    75K views in 2 weeks for a channel with 5K subs is wild

  • @saegusamayumi75yago28
    @saegusamayumi75yago28 3 дні тому

    Minor looks majestic🧐

  • @XxMiKe97xXD
    @XxMiKe97xXD Місяць тому

    For me Music Theory is like Rocket Science. They're nice, okay, for me y'all are geniuses that are able to understand a bit of what's happening.
    😅

  • @theyobro1843
    @theyobro1843 Місяць тому

    Minor sounds straight outa middle earth 💗❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥

  • @calebdillman8462
    @calebdillman8462 2 місяці тому

    amazing grace sounding like starwars in octonic and minor👍🏻😎

  • @backupforthevideos3861
    @backupforthevideos3861 2 місяці тому

    I generally love the octatonic vibes

  • @djonakachopper
    @djonakachopper 2 місяці тому +1

    I naively expected something more trite from the pentatonic version. It was interesting - beyond my understanding what and how.

    • @GalenDeGraf
      @GalenDeGraf  2 місяці тому +2

      I first sketched the pentatonic variation at the piano, more or less with the notes you see on screen in the video, and it DID feel boring that way. The harmonies were nice and lush with sevenths and ninths, but there wasn't much feeling of going somewhere. So I compensated by making the growth happen in the orchestration. I put together an ensemble that combines all the instruments from the previous variations. Midway through, the strings swell, and I split the horn into a duet. If you found it interesting, maybe that could be part of why?

  • @remotoadamotroppovelocelaf868
    @remotoadamotroppovelocelaf868 2 місяці тому

    La pentatonica è veramente affascinante.

  • @wildrice1971
    @wildrice1971 2 місяці тому

    Really interesting and “ear opening” … very enjoyable, thank you!

  • @AVeryFancyPigeon
    @AVeryFancyPigeon 2 місяці тому +2

    Can you make each of these a seperate video? I'd like to just listen to possibly the minor and pentatonic versions because they sound so nice.

    • @GalenDeGraf
      @GalenDeGraf  2 місяці тому +1

      So glad to hear you like the music! I've just put up the music in this video (plus the inverted Amazing Grace from another video) into a Soundcloud playlist you can access here: on.soundcloud.com/AL63bZ99qu7xwAPUA

    • @AVeryFancyPigeon
      @AVeryFancyPigeon 2 місяці тому

      @@GalenDeGraf Thank you so much! Can't wait to listen to it!

  • @Snommelp
    @Snommelp 14 днів тому +1

    Lovely! Did you consider also working your way through the modes? I doubt Mixolydian would have felt terribly different, but I'd love to hear Amazing Grace in the Locrian mode!

    • @GalenDeGraf
      @GalenDeGraf  14 днів тому +2

      Yes! Variation between modes can be much more subtle. Locrian mode with b5 has some similar flavor to octatonic, but I wanted to keep this video short and maximize difference between versions. I do some discussion of modes in the other related videos to this one within my playlist "how to transform and develop musical ideas" as well as very briefly in the video (currently Patreon only) "how to practice transforming themes, scalar mapping" if you‘re interested.

  • @MagnyTheRed
    @MagnyTheRed 2 місяці тому

    I must say that minor amazing grace sounds just like a starbound soundtrack.

  • @igorpaphnutius6065
    @igorpaphnutius6065 2 місяці тому +2

    The octatonic one is very impressive. The pentationic melody makes no sense, because the original is already pentatonic.

    • @GalenDeGraf
      @GalenDeGraf  2 місяці тому +2

      See the pinned comment if you want info about the pentatonic mapping.

  • @josh_joe
    @josh_joe 2 місяці тому

    So basically
    Major = happy
    Minor = sad
    Octatonic = mystery thriller
    Chromatic = scary
    Pentatonic = hopefull

  • @luisa.zarama
    @luisa.zarama 2 місяці тому

    Hey! Loved the video. I wanted to ask you how you chose the notes you were gonna use in the chromatic scale. Like what was your criteria to change the notes?
    Thanks

    • @GalenDeGraf
      @GalenDeGraf  2 місяці тому +3

      This is only a trailer, and I‘ll put out an explanation video later. The quick answer is that you define the intervals of a melody according to scale steps of an underlying scale, and then transfer those intervals onto some other scale. I’ve treated Amazing Grace with a major underlying scale (though you could do it as pentatonic instead). In major, the melody starts with +3, then +2 scale steps for the first two intervals. So for a chromatic scale it begins with +3, then +2 SEMITONES since those are the steps of a chromatic scale. (And then continue for the rest of the intervals.) Check back on my channel later for the longer video with more info and examples!

  • @PaperComa
    @PaperComa 2 місяці тому

    I was expecting the chromatic version to be scarier. Guess that’s what I get for listening to extreme sub-genres of metal for years lol

  • @fingolfinmorgoth5511
    @fingolfinmorgoth5511 2 місяці тому +1

    The minor sounds like the theme from star wars with the triplet from b6👀

  • @4realbeatss
    @4realbeatss 2 місяці тому

    Scary Chormatic

  • @patrickdevlin2841
    @patrickdevlin2841 2 місяці тому

    The chromatic was surprisingly cringy! It sounded good for a horror type scene.
    Thanks for the demo

  • @romartart
    @romartart 2 місяці тому

    너무 좋은 인터넷 선생님의 수업. 그래픽이 너무 멋져요. 어떤 프로그램을 사용하시는지 궁금해요!

    • @GalenDeGraf
      @GalenDeGraf  2 місяці тому +1

      Glad you enjoyed it! The programs I used can be found in the description.

  • @calebpillai4774
    @calebpillai4774 2 місяці тому +1

    The minor over major makes it sound like there are 2 melodies

    • @GalenDeGraf
      @GalenDeGraf  2 місяці тому +1

      The string section had some independence.

  • @GalenDeGraf
    @GalenDeGraf  3 місяці тому +2

    In Rings of Power, there's a way to think about Bear McCreary's "Sauron" theme as an octatonic mapping of "Halbrand" which is then played backwards. There are other ways to analyze it (see Bear's blog), but I analyze and animate it that way over here if any of you are interested: ua-cam.com/video/j0SpAYg-ZiY/v-deo.htmlsi=fjcCYvgham0kHJ-9&t=1005

    • @GalenDeGraf
      @GalenDeGraf  3 місяці тому +3

      And another Middle Earth sidenote: the idea of having a minor melody harmonized with only major chords was inspired by Howard Shore's iconic "fellowship" leitmotif.

    • @DimitriLucy-zo8yv
      @DimitriLucy-zo8yv 2 місяці тому +2

      you mean rings of propaganda? xd

    • @aethyr9799
      @aethyr9799 2 місяці тому +1

      Rings of Power oh no 💀

    • @GalenDeGraf
      @GalenDeGraf  2 місяці тому +3

      I have issues with the writing in Rings of Power, but the music is top notch!

    • @DimitriLucy-zo8yv
      @DimitriLucy-zo8yv 2 місяці тому

      @@GalenDeGraf it better be for that budget haha, but seriously poor fucking Tolkien must be rolling in his grave.

  • @Johnstone565
    @Johnstone565 3 місяці тому

    Great video pal. By any chance going forward could you apply the names of the left hand chords aswell as the notation and sheet music. I'm self thought and I find that helpful.

    • @GalenDeGraf
      @GalenDeGraf  3 місяці тому +1

      Thanks. I'll keep that in mind for the future. I was mostly focused on the melodies for this video, but I'm glad to hear people are digging into the harmonies in there as well!

  • @luizmenezes9971
    @luizmenezes9971 2 місяці тому +2

    You didn't changed only the scale. You also changed the time signatures.

    • @GalenDeGraf
      @GalenDeGraf  2 місяці тому +1

      As well as the harmony and orchestration!

  • @blackrachmaninov
    @blackrachmaninov 9 днів тому

    Very nice :) Do you explain somewhere how you did it?

    • @GalenDeGraf
      @GalenDeGraf  9 днів тому +1

      @@blackrachmaninov Yes! See my video "How to fit a musical theme to any context"

    • @blackrachmaninov
      @blackrachmaninov 9 днів тому

      @@GalenDeGraf fantastic thank you :)

  • @_17Nad
    @_17Nad Місяць тому

    The pentatonic version was almost in major chords

  • @bwhok_e_1
    @bwhok_e_1 13 днів тому

    Octatonic& chromatic sounds about right when I wake up at 3am and sleep-singing...roflmao.

  • @takfaibennypoon303
    @takfaibennypoon303 Місяць тому

    Never realize that the chromatic scale sounds so tragic 😥.

  • @RHS_video_club
    @RHS_video_club 2 місяці тому +2

    why does the minor one sound like a fantasy film like LOTR??

    • @GalenDeGraf
      @GalenDeGraf  2 місяці тому +1

      Howard Shore‘s "fellowship" theme in Lord of the Rings is a minor melody with all major harmonies. In that regard, they’re similar.

  • @AshleyKampta2
    @AshleyKampta2 2 місяці тому

    Would the choice of scales to map to be more of an emotional choice than an aesthetic one?

  • @m.g_0109
    @m.g_0109 Місяць тому

    Can anyone explain why the minor over major worked. Did he use the conplemenary minor scale of the major chords or some other wizardry?

    • @GalenDeGraf
      @GalenDeGraf  Місяць тому

      The MELODY for that one used all notes in an F minor scale. Most of the harmonies were either Db major or Ab major chords (sometimes with sevenths), and all the notes for those chords can be found in the F minor scale. That allowed them to fit together. (I also threw in Gbmajor7, so that might have felt like a little wizardry, since that chord uses a note, Gb, that is not found in the F minor scale.)

  • @cfthompson
    @cfthompson 3 місяці тому

    My guy, Amazing Grace is already pentatonic!

    • @GalenDeGraf
      @GalenDeGraf  3 місяці тому +2

      Yes! See the pinned comment.

  • @gexahedrop8923
    @gexahedrop8923 2 місяці тому

    Ben Johnston also did it!

  • @gcw6444
    @gcw6444 2 місяці тому

    how do you map amazing grace onto a pentatonic scale when the melody of amazing grace is pentatonic in the first place?

  • @streamofconsciousness5826
    @streamofconsciousness5826 2 місяці тому

    Were the tempos all the same, it seemed like the Minor one was longer, strung out, and the Octatonic one was quick. If they were not the same did you find each worked best in a specific BPM zone.

    • @GalenDeGraf
      @GalenDeGraf  2 місяці тому

      There were changes to tempo, and also to the rhythm and meter of the melody. When making these sorts of changes, a good rule of thumb is to make sure notes on strong beats stay on strong beats, but all the tempo and rhythm choices I made were based on the stylistic aesthetic I wanted to achieve and not directly related to the scale itself.

  • @tabor503
    @tabor503 3 місяці тому

    Why are there flats on the scale?

  • @ymiround
    @ymiround 28 днів тому +1

    can octatone version be made to not sound sinister?

    • @GalenDeGraf
      @GalenDeGraf  28 днів тому +2

      In my experience, it sits somewhere between "sinister" and "tense" and these probably correlate mostly with tempo. One of the reason it always has some tension is the high number of augmented and diminished intervals built into the scale. In media music it is frequently used at fast tempos for tension in chase scenes (and I followed suit in a screen scoring sample of an animated chase you can watch on this channel).

  • @eduardogondim3369
    @eduardogondim3369 Місяць тому

    sounds like star wars soundtrack

  • @JevatJes
    @JevatJes 2 місяці тому

    There is minor tonality, there is major tonality, then is there also octatonic, pentatonic, etc?
    They exist asa tonallity?

    • @GalenDeGraf
      @GalenDeGraf  2 місяці тому +1

      There’s a lot going on in this, from the notes I chose in the melody (which was always strictly within one distinct scale for each example), the types of harmonies used, and the instrumental colors. I like to think about these as different flavors within tonality. The pentatonic example used almost only notes of the pentatonic scale, but I did use an occasional note outside that scale in the harmony for variety. The octatonic example was 100% octatonic scale throughout, but even so had a very specific flavor, because of the types of harmony I chose (consonant triads over pedal tone, rather the many diminished triads available for that pitch collection). Glad you enjoyed it!

    • @JevatJes
      @JevatJes 2 місяці тому +1

      @@GalenDeGraf Oh! Thank you!🙂

  • @IDEER-gg17gg
    @IDEER-gg17gg 2 місяці тому +1

    2:57 severance 🤔?

  • @cerebrumexcrement
    @cerebrumexcrement 2 місяці тому

    my brain broke 😅

  • @caiobaima842
    @caiobaima842 15 днів тому

    octatonic is from the shadows

  • @jameerlawrencebondoc8162
    @jameerlawrencebondoc8162 2 місяці тому

    The Major key sounds like what you would hear in a church. What's the music?