Fun fact: there are still mechanical cousins to the E60s running in Taiwan. The E200, E300, and E400 classes (all designated E42C by GE) are basically E60CPs shrunken to metric gauge, put on a diet (192,000lbs compared to the E60's 387,000), and slightly down-geared for a top speed of 85MPH. They're also all sporting classic GE bells and Leslie RS2Ms, so if you want some classic GE electric action, give them a search.
dont they plan to retire them sooner or later? as far as im aware both Toshiba(?) and Stadler(?) are making new locomotives for the TRA. i forgot the manufacturers, hence the question marks, but the idea still stands.
@@CFRTrainSpotteryes Toshiba is building the e500 electric locomotives which will replace South African made e1000 and GE e200 300 and 400. Stadler is making the r200 diesel electric locomotives which will replace emd r100 and r20
Thank you for having fetaured my GE E60 trainz models! As a long-time fan of the channel, it's an honour for me! Your old GE E60 video was extremely useful as a reference for modelling them, and especially for writing the description on the download page of my website!
603 is on sad condition at the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania. It deserves better. This was my favorite locomotive in its day because of its more modern appearance vs. the aging GG1s which IMO always looked silly in Amtrak colors rather than Pennsy. I also had a great E60 on my layout back then... wish I kept it. Thanks AmtrakGuy365 for this excellent presentation. Just FYI, if you're ever up near Port Jervis NY, they're putting together a new RR museum and are amassing some good rolling stock.
I was a fan of this locomotive when it came online in my preteen years, primarily because of its appearance vs the aging gg1s that routinely crossed hellgate Bridge where I grew up. I had a ho model of it as well. Now, living in Pennsylvania, I get to see #603 at the Pennsylvania railroad museum in Strasburg, but it is badly worn out in the field. Thanks for this incredible video from the first president of Students for Amtrak back in the 70s.
@@nolantherailfan5048 Just like the Amtrak SDP40F. But maybe most of them that only run for Amtrak, did ride nice later in revenue service around the time they were now known as E60MA’s. Since at that time most of the tracks are kept in really good condition.
0:21 I like when you said "Most mainline services were divided between mechanically unreliable Metroliner EMU, and aging GE GG1" instead of "Most mainline services were operated using old equipment"
The 125 mph speed was achieved with the acquisition of the AEM-7 locomotives. Even the Budd Metroliner electric m.u. cars were able to operate at 100 mph. It was just that the E60 was not capable of being easily adapted for passenger rail service, given its role of a coal freight hauler on "conveyor railroads" in the American Southwest.
Also worth remembering that a train's top speed is not only dependent on its power and weight, but also the state of the tracks. High top speed is one thing, but high average speed is the really important matter. So many passenger rail services across North America (and in my home country of Australia) could get passengers to their destinations faster if the tracks were straighter and/or in better condition. And duplicated. And not occupied by freight trains that have priority.
Restoring old electric locomotives to run on their own power is something I don’t think has happened yet. A big problem is cost. They have large PCB filled transformers which would have to be upgraded for non-PCB operation. This has been done with locomotives and EMUs used by transit companies. Railroad museums, of course, don’t have the multi-million dollar budgets transit agencies do.
My dad's old upstairs neighbor was a signal maintainer when the E60s were new. He told me they would replace the trucks with E33 and 44 trucks to try and improve the rough riding
Found this out from Pentrex: The E60s were unable to be MU-ed together. This meant that when two were pulling the same train (by the way, a rare sight), a crew needed to be in each loco.
Not true. The operating manual (pgs 48-50) instructs on how to set the locomotives up for MU operation. They may not have been able to MU with other locomotives but they could definitely MU with each other.
I can! Despite cracks and other minor issues with the welded frames, they could have kept going indefinitely. But, it was better that they were retired instead of being worked to death. The costs would have been grossly excessive and eventually, Amtrak would have had to find something to replace them.
At least GE's locomotive division (now part of Wabtec) learned their lesson of the problems that arose with the E60 as well as with the U30C (U-Boat) based P30CH. The passenger variant of GE's Dash 8, and the GEnesis series, proved to be more reliable.
There was another locomotive practically a mix of the E60 and the earlier E44, called the E25B, for service in Texas. By now they are all retired and presumably scrapped.
It's too bad Joshua Lionel Cowan isn't alive anymore because he would've loved to hear about the New York Central Hudson. It was his favorite locomotive. So much so that when Lionel started making o gauge trains their 700E was modeled after the Hudson. And I think I have a 700E in my o gauge collection.
Amtrak’s F40PHs lasted 26 years from 1976 to 2002, being the poster boy of the railroad. Amtrak’s E60s lasted 28 years, from 1975 to 2003, being unreliable and rough riding. WHAT?!
Interesting how some people keep saying that you can't electrify freight corridors. And yet 50 years ago the Black Mesa and Lake Powell railroad did exactly that.
Great vid! Also, why are locomotives in the US so short lived? In Poland, we have a lot of old locomotives that still serve us well, with some nearing 60 and still being in normal, everyday use (for example EN57-038, it is going to get her old paint back in very near future)
Plenty of freight locomotives here in the US from the 1960s and even 1950s are still in service. Of course, the distances in the US are also enormous by comparison - the northeast corridor from Washington DC to Boston is about the same distance as running the longest possible distance across Poland.
The E60 has a amazing horn, AMTRAK PUT MORE OF THEM ON YOUR ENGINES, or else! ps-the Nathan P01235 has the tunings (notes) are A-C#-E-G-C# so now y’all know.
Imagine if Amtrak took the Time to Rebuild all the Inherited EMD E & F unit diesels, as well as the PRR GG1 Electric Engines. More of those locomotives would have been around today.
In a nutshell, had the Federal government mandated Conrail and other Class I railroads to electrified their freight lines, the E60 locomotives would have been the workhorse of the the American railroad industry.
@@nathancorcoran5347 I knew there were a few, but I never knew the numbers (Specifically), it is good to know. - I never saw one before, glad you saw one while they are still preserved!
Great remake. I didn't know that the E60 was used for Keystone service for push pull operations. Can't wait for Engines of NYC! Now for three unrelated things I want to say: 1. Alan Fisher roasted you in his newest video. 2. Please see my email I sent a few days ago. 3. I have a Q&A open for reaching 750+ subscribers.
Ok,so GG1(late) Metroliners(early) Ge E60c(late) EMD AEM7(mid) Acela(late)/HHP8(early) ACS 64(med) Avelia(?)/Siemens charger(?) Did i get this right? (...) = retirement age
![Engines of Amtrak - Budd Metroliner [REMAKE]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/lXs8uaeQNRM/mqdefault.jpg)
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Amtrak: “OK we fixed it. Can you lift the 80 mph restriction?”
FRA: “Sure, go ahead and lay the hammer down, all the way up to 85!”
Hahaha
Amtrak: only 5 mph More!?
Amtrak: "Seriously, bro?"
Amtrak:”WHAT THE FU-“
Fun fact: there are still mechanical cousins to the E60s running in Taiwan. The E200, E300, and E400 classes (all designated E42C by GE) are basically E60CPs shrunken to metric gauge, put on a diet (192,000lbs compared to the E60's 387,000), and slightly down-geared for a top speed of 85MPH. They're also all sporting classic GE bells and Leslie RS2Ms, so if you want some classic GE electric action, give them a search.
I think I saw them when I was on vacation in Taiwan.they’re quite cool tbh
dont they plan to retire them sooner or later? as far as im aware both Toshiba(?) and Stadler(?) are making new locomotives for the TRA. i forgot the manufacturers, hence the question marks, but the idea still stands.
@@CFRTrainSpotteryes Toshiba is building the e500 electric locomotives which will replace South African made e1000 and GE e200 300 and 400. Stadler is making the r200 diesel electric locomotives which will replace emd r100 and r20
I search for the e42 bell there was no vids of an e42 with a bell
Thank you for having fetaured my GE E60 trainz models! As a long-time fan of the channel, it's an honour for me!
Your old GE E60 video was extremely useful as a reference for modelling them, and especially for writing the description on the download page of my website!
This is a good way of starting the day
For me its arson
Correct
Yup
Same
Ooo. Never thought this would get a remake!
603 is on sad condition at the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania. It deserves better. This was my favorite locomotive in its day because of its more modern appearance vs. the aging GG1s which IMO always looked silly in Amtrak colors rather than Pennsy. I also had a great E60 on my layout back then... wish I kept it. Thanks AmtrakGuy365 for this excellent presentation. Just FYI, if you're ever up near Port Jervis NY, they're putting together a new RR museum and are amassing some good rolling stock.
I love the E60s so unfathomably much. I love their toaster-like design, and just everything about them!
Thanks for sharing. This was the last genuine North American electric locomotive.
Awesome facts about Amtrak and since it’s still it’s 50th anniversary!
I have been watching all these episodes for a long time and it taught me all about Amtrak. Keep up the great work!
It be a good day when he uploads another Engines of Amtrak. :D
I was a fan of this locomotive when it came online in my preteen years, primarily because of its appearance vs the aging gg1s that routinely crossed hellgate Bridge where I grew up. I had a ho model of it as well. Now, living in Pennsylvania, I get to see #603 at the Pennsylvania railroad museum in Strasburg, but it is badly worn out in the field. Thanks for this incredible video from the first president of Students for Amtrak back in the 70s.
Always loved the look of the E60.
They are quite amazing.
@@nathancorcoran5347 they do look nice. But they sure didn't ride nice
@@nolantherailfan5048 Just like the Amtrak SDP40F. But maybe most of them that only run for Amtrak, did ride nice later in revenue service around the time they were now known as E60MA’s. Since at that time most of the tracks are kept in really good condition.
Same
Would love to see some engines of NYC!
0:21 I like when you said "Most mainline services were divided between mechanically unreliable Metroliner EMU, and aging GE GG1" instead of "Most mainline services were operated using old equipment"
Amazing Video Mate! Just woke up, so very nice way to start the day.
It's wild how we got NEC service with the E60 from 85MPH all the way up to 125MPH with the ACS-64. We've come a long way man
The 125 mph speed was achieved with the acquisition of the AEM-7 locomotives. Even the Budd Metroliner electric m.u. cars were able to operate at 100 mph. It was just that the E60 was not capable of being easily adapted for passenger rail service, given its role of a coal freight hauler on "conveyor railroads" in the American Southwest.
Also worth remembering that a train's top speed is not only dependent on its power and weight, but also the state of the tracks. High top speed is one thing, but high average speed is the really important matter. So many passenger rail services across North America (and in my home country of Australia) could get passengers to their destinations faster if the tracks were straighter and/or in better condition. And duplicated. And not occupied by freight trains that have priority.
i wish they would bring the e60 back for vintage rail services
Sadly they were scrap
@@DENVERRIOGRANDEMAN21 yeah it sucks
@@DENVERRIOGRANDEMAN21 there's some preserved
@@WesternOhioInterurbanHistory oh I never knew sorry
Restoring old electric locomotives to run on their own power is something I don’t think has happened yet. A big problem is cost. They have large PCB filled transformers which would have to be upgraded for non-PCB operation. This has been done with locomotives and EMUs used by transit companies. Railroad museums, of course, don’t have the multi-million dollar budgets transit agencies do.
YESSSSSSSS ANOTHER ONE I WANTED SO BADLY!!! BACK TO BACK ONES I WANTED SO BADLY, TURBOLINER AND E60!!!
My dad's old upstairs neighbor was a signal maintainer when the E60s were new. He told me they would replace the trucks with E33 and 44 trucks to try and improve the rough riding
finally a remake of the E60! thanks :)
This is 1 of the only engines of Amtrak I actually like.
A good way to start a day. Amazing as always
Nice remake! ❤️ honestly the E60’s P01225 Horns sound way better than than the new 3rd Gen k5la horns
I love the P01225 horn!
Awesome work with this one, very interesting
Oh wow GE E60 the Remake yay :)
Awesome video! I love this series!
Pretty cool too.
They remade it, nice. The older one’s recording kinda glitched during the beginning, “hey guys, Amtrak guy 365 here, a- we start on the BM&LP
That was from a claim
@@AVeryRandomPerson you're kidding me
Amtrak’s most underrated locomotive
Would love to see short videos on the lesser known Amtrak engines like the RS1, SW1, GP40, or FL9
Perhaps if Amtrak rebuilt a few GG1’s, they’d be running in preservation today
Found this out from Pentrex: The E60s were unable to be MU-ed together. This meant that when two were pulling the same train (by the way, a rare sight), a crew needed to be in each loco.
Not true. The operating manual (pgs 48-50) instructs on how to set the locomotives up for MU operation. They may not have been able to MU with other locomotives but they could definitely MU with each other.
Could you imagine if Amtrak still used GG1’s? :0
I can! Despite cracks and other minor issues with the welded frames, they could have kept going indefinitely. But, it was better that they were retired instead of being worked to death. The costs would have been grossly excessive and eventually, Amtrak would have had to find something to replace them.
It been difficult for them since they use different electric and probability wore out
@@JessicaKasumi1990 The GG1's transformers had PCB's, so they would have to be replaced as well
@@AVeryRandomPerson And converted to Head End Power.
@@AVeryRandomPerson Funny no one cared about PCBs during their active life,
At least GE's locomotive division (now part of Wabtec) learned their lesson of the problems that arose with the E60 as well as with the U30C (U-Boat) based P30CH.
The passenger variant of GE's Dash 8, and the GEnesis series, proved to be more reliable.
You're actually going ahead with Engines of NYC? Well then my friend as a Pennsy guy you just gave me an idea :3
*T H E T W O L E G E N D S M E E T*
Uh oh...
Can't wait for the engine's of the New York Central System.
There was another locomotive practically a mix of the E60 and the earlier E44, called the E25B, for service in Texas. By now they are all retired and presumably scrapped.
It’s a shame that none were preserved. One of them could’ve been displayed at the Museum of American Railroads.
I find it interesting that Amtrak had (and still owns) diesel locomotives that were lighter than this electric locomotive.
It's too bad Joshua Lionel Cowan isn't alive anymore because he would've loved to hear about the New York Central Hudson. It was his favorite locomotive. So much so that when Lionel started making o gauge trains their 700E was modeled after the Hudson. And I think I have a 700E in my o gauge collection.
I’m learning new information on Amtrak
Honey wake up! AmtrakGuy365 uploaded a new Engines of amtrak episode😳
Yep sir he did it was dream come true
Released a day prior to the delayed Tokyo 2020 summer Olympics in Japan.
4:44 The same exact two AEM-7s that would end up being sent to Pueblo after being retired.
Interesting!
Amtrak’s F40PHs lasted 26 years from 1976 to 2002, being the poster boy of the railroad.
Amtrak’s E60s lasted 28 years, from 1975 to 2003, being unreliable and rough riding.
WHAT?!
Great video. I like the E60. It would have been a great choice for Penn Central and getting rid of the GG1's
i’m excited for engines of new york central!
What do you mean
@@WesternOhioInterurbanHistory watch the end of the video
@@shockstrains5077 I thought he was joking
N E W Y O R K C E R T R E L ! ! !
3:38 the locomotive looks like it's floating a bit in this shot
Also, some E60CPs were supposed to be used in Montreal.
I would enjoy watching episodes on other railroads. Amtrak will eventually run out of locomotives for you to cover after all
My Favorite Electric Locomotive!
Interesting how some people keep saying that you can't electrify freight corridors. And yet 50 years ago the Black Mesa and Lake Powell railroad did exactly that.
Great vid! Also, why are locomotives in the US so short lived? In Poland, we have a lot of old locomotives that still serve us well, with some nearing 60 and still being in normal, everyday use (for example EN57-038, it is going to get her old paint back in very near future)
Plenty of freight locomotives here in the US from the 1960s and even 1950s are still in service. Of course, the distances in the US are also enormous by comparison - the northeast corridor from Washington DC to Boston is about the same distance as running the longest possible distance across Poland.
Locomotive can life almost forever if the maintenance doing right since when they are new
Emissions laws unfortunately
Favorite electric locomotive from Railroad Tycoon 2
Nice job
Amtrak should restore the e60 603 as an exhibit train
5:18 Intresthing☠️
???
Wow it's Keke from Love Live
Just imagine if the entire us railroads were 98% electrified and the BMLP E60s would be used. Just think of all the liveries
Now this is a good evening
Who makes the art to the trains on the title screen? There is that cartoony simplistic design for the locomotive and I would like to know who made it.
Just by looking at the thumbnail, it looks like an E60 with ditchlights.
It is an E60, right?
@@elijaha773 Yes it is an E60.
Good stuff. Will there ever be one on the E44 (even though they weren't on Amtrak for much)?
i love the 1 second clip of keke
The E60 has a amazing horn, AMTRAK PUT MORE OF THEM ON YOUR ENGINES, or else! ps-the Nathan P01235 has the tunings (notes) are A-C#-E-G-C# so now y’all know.
Also the moment I commented the horn sounded
I agree, this is a incredible horn!
@@gabetrain8834 Coincidence!
Imagine if Amtrak took the Time to Rebuild all the Inherited EMD E & F unit diesels, as well as the PRR GG1 Electric Engines. More of those locomotives would have been around today.
Me : I love GE E60 , they're look very amazing
Amtrakguy365 : and ran into some trouble
Me : "destroys PC"
To think if American railroads would have electrified in the 70s and 80s. Maybe these would have been more successful
Nice
In a nutshell, had the Federal government mandated Conrail and other Class I railroads to electrified their freight lines, the E60 locomotives would have been the workhorse of the the American railroad industry.
That Amtrak E60 is preserved . . . if you use the term somewhat loosely. That is a LOT of rust running down it.
I am still surprised they lasted into the early 2000s
:D
the best part about the old one was at @ 3:55 it said in the corner haha get fra'd e60 xd"
4:04 where is that??
Will you be doing the FL9?
At 2:13 was that a phase 4 E60?
Yeah
R. I. P ge e60 😭😭😭😭luckly i built a lego model version for the soul remain of the ge e60
I have a question is it true that the original name for Amtrak was railpax
Yes.
Yes
Cool!
5:49 The big electric bricks
I’m a retired Amtrak engineer and the E60 was the worst piece of crap I ever ran! Give me the GG1 back!
Are you gonna remake the remakes too
Never adapt freight locomotives for high speed passenger service, just draw up a passenger orientated locomotive instead. A lesson for GE
Hey AmtrakGuy365, is it possible to make a series called “What if,” discussing things that would have had happened if something else happened?
I love the e60
I hate to be that person to ask but. Where did you obtain the E60 Trainz model?
Engines of amtrak metra mpexpress is next and I’m calling it
Amtrak doesn't even have MP36s.
Noice if you can, do the Simens charger series
These locomotives really remind me of the f69phacs, in a way. They are neat (:
They are pretty much neat. I saw the one at the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania back in September 5th 2021.
@@nathancorcoran5347 Wow!
@@UnionPacificRailroader it’s amazing.
@@UnionPacificRailroader Amtrak E60 603 is one of those few surviving GE E60 locomotives.
@@nathancorcoran5347 I knew there were a few, but I never knew the numbers (Specifically), it is good to know. - I never saw one before, glad you saw one while they are still preserved!
These are about the ugliest bricks I've ever seen roam the rails of Amtrak, but that only makes them more unique, so I can appreciate them for that
2:49
Weird audio
Will you remake the metroliner EMU episode? Also why do you like anime.
Awesome
A few of them received K5LA horns.
I wonder why they haven’t restored one to operation
Most likely the electrics are stuffed or have ben cannibalized for parts.
What about ATMK alc-42???
They aren't in service yet, so probably no.
The vhs effect at the end
Great remake. I didn't know that the E60 was used for Keystone service for push pull operations. Can't wait for Engines of NYC!
Now for three unrelated things I want to say:
1. Alan Fisher roasted you in his newest video.
2. Please see my email I sent a few days ago.
3. I have a Q&A open for reaching 750+ subscribers.
1:00 rip bm&lp
Ok,so
GG1(late)
Metroliners(early)
Ge E60c(late)
EMD AEM7(mid)
Acela(late)/HHP8(early)
ACS 64(med)
Avelia(?)/Siemens charger(?)
Did i get this right?
(...) = retirement age
A locomotive should last 30 years without a rebuild
@@AVeryRandomPerson typically 20 - 30 years. After 30 it’s time to go.
I just guessed the general retirement age
@@AVeryRandomPerson In my part of the world they seem to get their first rebuild at about 10 years and half life rebuild at 25 years.
Bro you have to remake the p40 it's my favorite engine so please make the remake of the p40