I was invited by a Scientology member one afternoon to go to an event, but decided to go to the corner store to buy a snickers bar instead. I was satisfied with that 🍫
It seems Marty and his wife made a deal with the 'church' to settle the lawsuit they were winning - stiffing his lawyers in the process. They are receiving some payments and he has turned on all the people with whom he was speaking out against the 'church'. He now refers to them as the anti-Scientology cult. He never stopped believing that the 'technology' worked. He may be the most unscrupulous person walking the planet. Never trust a single word coming from a Scientologist mouth. Never hire a Scientologist. This church needs to be taxed to death and shut down.
That sucks, maybe they had something on him, I mean they literally are like organized crime as he said, they're brutal. Although he does still use a lot of their terminology & kind of reverts to their style of convoluted rambling, like he's kind of hardwired still
@@Ilovecerealcerealcereal He didn't actually go back into Scientology, but he is back in their pockets unfortunately. he still features in hate videos targetted at ex members he's just not a member of the church anymore. That's how Mike Rinder has described the situation.
I wonder if it bothers Marty of all the people he hurt. I've seen interviews with him and not once did he act ashamed of what he has done. He also said that now he's an independent Scientologist. That says a lot.
@Tina Bush. You're right. I have seen Mike Rinder break down and cry listening to a woman talking about how disconnection affected her and her family. On Leah Remini's [Scientology: And the aftermath] series. And I was really moved by that.
nikto45 Unfortunately Rathbun is back with Scientology. He’s completely flipped back to attacking people he’s previously worked with in exposing the Church like Mike Rinder. He uploads videos now criticising Scientology critics ua-cam.com/video/9_JcoOh1dBg/v-deo.html
It seems to me that he wasn't fully convinced himself. He keeps saying, "what WE are doing here" ... But these people are brainwashers, and they are good at what they do, so he just wasn't strong enough to keep his own mind. Sad
Did anyone else get an advertisement in favour of Scientology before the video? I've been watching anti-COS videos and documentaries for the past few days. KNOW YOUR AUDIENCE, MISCAVIGE
It's Google doing it. Google's system has seen you watching Scientology videos, sees it has a ad about Scientology in their current ads, and showed it to you. It's called "Targeted Ads" and it works quite well more often then it doesn't.
it is crazy, i have searched for and watched hundreds of vegan videos and half the ads i get hit with are for Meaty Meat Meat lovers Pizza with Meat and spicy buffalo wings and just all kinds of food products i would not eat if they were free, a couple of weeks ago i finally had to download an adblocker program, the meat being thrown in my face over and over when i was trying to watch vegan videos made me want to stop coming to youtube. the program works really well.
kingorbit That is because Google's system doesn't understand that watching Vegan videos means you won't like a meat ad. It isn't clever AI or anything. It sees you watching food channels in general, so shows you a lot of food ads, meat or not.
Mark "Marty" Rathbun is a key subject of Alex Gibney's new documentary Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief. We discuss his Scientology past, auditing, and the harassment techniques allegedly used by the church. Up Next: Hollywood's Most Secretive Religious Relic: E-Meter Testing ua-cam.com/video/rrNmk2J3rAo/v-deo.html
Cliff Anderson Hah, yeah right. That's why you see people cut off from their families for leaving Microsoft, the Deptartment of Agriculture, United Steelworkers, etc. Sorry, you need religion for that. Not just "any large organization."
***** So, let me get this straight. You call Vice liberal ass clowns which makes me think that you are not a liberal and you resent liberals, then, why do you listen to this channel if they are liberals? And, do not tell me you listen to them to learn about your opposition (assuming you are not a liberal) because by the fact that you call them 'ass clowns', it tells me that you already think that they are not worth your time. Then, why do you want them to do real reporting because if they are 'ass clowns', they will not be able to do real reporting. Do you see who is the 'ass clown' in this exchange? You!
Trey yes, he clearly is a bit unhinged. You can imagine why Miscavige would have employed him as a brute for the church - imagine how scared you would be of this guy getting up in your face and slapping you around.
I disagree completely. This was the REAL Marty Rathbun. Since then though, he has become the untrustworthy guy. Presumably "bought back" by Scientology.
Bossman56789 OMG I know!! He was a total idiot! What a waste of time this video was. You know Marty wanted to talk, I can't believe this interviewer skipped over the part where Marty talks about where L Ron believes psychiatrists derive from or David Miscavige's abuse claims. I was like wtf?? Ask Marty to elaborate on that! I think the interviewer was afraid of Miscavige or the cult coming after him, probably has something to hide.
Bossman56789 Haha yeah thats a pretty common thing with religion. I think its called Jabberwocky and its where you go along with what is said to avoid looking like a fool. The opposite would be to point out the emperor has no clothes. And thats to say: what you are saying is total nonsense.
i visited a scientology center in los angeles, while holidaying there....i watched the intro film on Hubbard's life......then i was approached by a lady while there, inviting me "upstairs" for an audit. I went to the base of the stairs with her to ascend,....looked up and immediately received a very alarming sense of FOREBODING and EVIL..... and a small voice saying..."don't go up there.....so i politely declined to go up with the lady.. who seemed very polite and very nice.....thank GOD for the small, benevolent, protective voice within all of us!
Love Marty Rathbun. What a courageous soul. He spoke very well in this interview and his purpose for speaking out (the harassment outside of scientologies walls) is an excellent point.
😂😂😂he was gone back to Scientology and made videos declaring that everything he said was a lie, the guy lack any principles and there’s no back no e to him, people like him are the scam of the earth.
At 13:50, if you look at the reflection in the window you can see someone is holding up a note for the interviewer (possibly the number "10") to indicate how much time there is left. The interviewer glances up at it.
Damon Cassada If you zoom in, the note says "10". If you take the digits from that number, and add them together, 1 + 0 = 1. How many letters in the word "VICE?" = 4. If you take these two numbers and find the difference, it's THREE. There's 3 sides on a triangle.,.... ILLUMINATI CONFIRMED
Good job on the interview. I am a Scientology Clear. I left the Church in December of 2001. I still live and work in Clearwater. I went on staff at Flag in the late 80's and was amazed at all the folks walking around the downtown area in uniform and the Scientology public. Now days the place is nearly deserted. I left when the Miscavige regime went off the rails and started squirreling on Hubbard's tech. The lower levels of Scientology and Dianetics really worked for me. After being out of the Church for 14 years I still use the tech in my WOG life. The Church is doomed to fade away as long as Miscavige is at the helm. I thank Marty for speaking out.
*****"the rest"? who are "the rest"? You learn about Xenu when you hit OT3. Narconon isn't for scientologists, that's a service scientology sells to State agencies.
I wish Marty had not been pressured into going back to the cult. I really think they drove him insane with their harrassment of him. Plus, they payed him off somewhat. Just horrible.
The thing that interests me is that Scientology under different circumstances could have been so different than it is now. It's not entirely bullshit, this free association combined with extreme attentiveness and enthusiasm to bring out the best can work wonders on some people, and if scientology wasn't so friggin aggressive and defensive and money hungry it could have been quite successful! although unfortunately those are literally the defining qualities of it nowadays...
along with the fact that scientology members harass former members once the old members disassociate from scientology and the scientologists mind control not based on science or any truth......Scientology is surely not facts.
Couldn't agree with you more, Alex. Had it not become so controlling and money hungry it could have helped a bunch more people than it currently does. It also wouldn't have become so destructive.
@@hellenicblonde6117 no it couldn’t help anyone and it can never not be controlling since it’s a core part of the doctrine. Which is why no one freezones on iScientology without previously having been a cult member. Lay off the niacin.
@@albertnortononymous9020 true... but I still think the auditing process itself has some merit. It can genuinely help people through difficult times, but LRH and scientology twisted and perverted it
No wonder Marty went back in I think any of us would get tired of being harassed in such away. The best thing to do is don’t ever touch or enter a Scientology church
the 20/20 special 2 weeks ago was the most recent update her show was taped awhile back he suddenly stopped his stance against scientology and changed the tone of his blog.
See that boys and girls? When our interviewer picked up the handles of the e-meter he entered into an altered state. The very use of that machine and the presence of Rathburn was an hypnotic trigger. Poor fella. He really doesn't have anything to worry about. Hope he finds peace
I suppose that the harassment eventually got to him so he likely made a “plea bargain” to get some peace. But no way do I think he went back; nor did any other high ranking members who left the church.
10:50 "...18 years later he's [L. Ron Hubbard, founder of Scientlogy that is] writing stuff about how these people truly are evil beings who've been beamed in from another planet ...... " 11:02 "... He ultimately wrote very specific stuff about how psychiatrists, "psychs," in general, people involved in the mental health at any level, psychologists, are a special bred of being, Who were bred in another planet called Farsec They came to this planet at some point or another for one reason and one reason alone. To keep humanity ignorant and enslaved. ...." Marty Rathbun reveals L. Ron Hubbard's "Farsec" psychiatrist's home planet! L. Ron Hubbard gave psychiatrists their own planet that they came from! Hubbard wrote this in all seriousness, Marty explains. Very very important historical interview that covers some previously unrevealed secrets of L. Ron Hubbard's private writings!
Okay, if you don't like that analogy, then here's a better one. Observing the inherent flaws and deceit of Islam reveals much about the general nature of Buddhism.
scientology is not a religion. At least in most religions, a believer can disassociate himself from that religion without harrassment today. Scientology does not have the amount of members that some religions have, and yet scientology still harrasess it's former members who expose it's problems or lack of truth. Yes, religions may criticize former members or athesists but they do not go around trying to ruin their old members by labeling them however they want, to ruin them. Scientology is a scam. I can go to church on any given sunday and not give my life savings or some form of money assistance to them if i do not want to. And, i go to church sometimes. But, I will not be involved with scientology or it's scam, not today or any day.
Marty gives an excellent description of why people are deluded into thinking that are getting 'wins' from auditing. Jung made a similar point regarding the therapeutic effect of giving someone kind attention to a patient/client - he was actually upset upon realising that there were no 'methods,' only kind attention.
Watching Marty Rathbun talk about how terrible Scientology treats their members is sort of like watching Hermann Goering talk about how terrible the Germans treated the Jews in world war 2. Marty was the one who was perpetrating a lot of the worst crimes against the members of the church. We're talking about some really bad stuff that he's done, things like forced child labor, kidnapping, tearing families apart, forcing people in slave labor conditions, forcing women to have abortions, etc. If the internal church records were released, Marty would be in prison right alongside David Miscarriage and nether one of them would never get out.
Also, he only left when he received some of the same treatment he had dished out over the years, which points to the impetus for his exit being a bruised ego of perhaps a sociopathic narcissist. He came off to me as an arrogant bully during the entire Louis Theroux doc. Yuck
I don't think their aim was ever to actually destroy psychiatry, only to create a deep distrust of it within their flock, thus removing a very serious potential threat to diagnosing and treating the disorder that Scientology incubates and maintains. It's a very calculated measure they employ to keep as much money flowing in for as long as they can.
Is it just me or do a lot of Scientologists seem to have trouble with speech, as in finishing a thought or producing a clear sentence? I'm not a great orator or an English professor myself, it's just something I've noticed.
yeah. Scilons cant speak English... the first course they take is the "Communication course" and after you take that one you will fail to communicate clearly with any other human.
I think that's a product of always having to be extra careful of what they say. It's sometimes difficult for the mind to hold one thought or idea and convincingly express a different one simultaneously.
They are very careful of what they say as they are guarded. He didn't get so up the latter because he was nice. He probably is a master manipulator that wanted out. All those people seem scary.
I went in back in 2008 before i went to see a band called velvet revolver- a overly friendly young guy started trying to sell me Dianetics books and wanted me to take an audit. I chickened out, made some excuse about having to get some money out to buy a book and i got out of there quick!
I Loved VICE when it was new & fresh, now me thinks they've sold out and their investigative journalisim is suffering because of it... Anyone else think the same.
***** yeah i agree, my comment wasnt to smart now that i think about it - those who deserve it should get it not kids who are brainwashed into the whole cult. Anyways karma will find its way to those jackasses in the end, i mean the world already hates them so thats a good start. Im just not religious, religion seems to cause problems plus im not going to go to church/worship because somone told me to - i believe theres a higher being/beings out there and whether it be a god or even a different species who knows.
Anything for an easy life. CoS wore him down then made him a financially lucrative offer to drop the lawsuit and make a handful of videos denouncing Remini and Rinder. Honestly I can’t really judge Marty, many other would have taken the offer to bring the fair game to end and a financial settlement that would set them up for life
@@PerpetualAlfa no judgement at all. I'm sad for him is all. Such a magnificent, capable and outstanding man. He could have been or had anything if he hadn't been roped in by scientology to begin with. Both Marty and Mike Rinder have left me in awe. The choices they made there after cannot be ever fully understood by anyone who hasn't experienced that level of control and coercion. Marty knows I'm sure that these attack videos being made do nothing to further the cause of scientology and, in fact, confirm public opinion of its corruption and propensity towards being malicious and ridiculous
Thank you Marty and Mike! Your speaking out is so appreciated. I can just see Slappy Mcsavage jumping up and down, screaming about it. It is so clear how upset he is by the stalking campaign he adopts against you and anyone who speaks out against Scientology. I just love it when Scientologist try and bullbait and fair game you and Mike...like come on....you guys can fair game/bullbait them out of any arena....Best wishes to both you and Mike.
And now he is back on Scientology's side. Unbelievable! They drove him insane with the squirrel busters. And, his wife withdrew her lawsuit against the "church" too! I really believed Marty would make it, but he caved. So sad....
When people leave Scientology, a lot of times they return to the church and apologize for leaving. Apparently one big reason Scientologists leave Scientology is because they are told it is a cult. These former members often look into the mainstream psychology field, because when they were in Scientology, the church officials always warned them the psychology field was very bad and dangerous. So, they start to investigate the psychology field, how it works, who it can label as being mentally ill, how it earns its money, how psyche meds work and how they bring in billions for the pharma companies. After a while, they run back to Scientology apologizing for leaving.
It seems to me that Marty suffers from untreated PTSD. You can see he is being triggered when you watch My Scientology Movie. He's barely able to control himself by the end of that movie, and takes things out on Theroux. He seems to be contemplating some drastic action when he reacts to the scientology operatives threatening his adoption or adoptive child. He keeps repeating about the statement they said about, "Are you foster care payments enough" so it's clear that made a deep impact on him and shook him up. Even PTSD it is treated, it's a pernicious illness brought on by trauma.
The film is absolutely riveting, and very thoughtfully documents how coercive groups like Scientology can produce seemingly beneficial results that is followed by very destructive behavior.
I was thinking the same thing. He may have the flu, or the withdraws. He has the look of withdrawing from opiates, although it's doesn't look that bad, if it is opiates. Hopefully Shane smith realizes there is a issue (if indeed there is) and gets him help. Shane has spoken a lot about his cocaine use so i don't think he would fire this guy I think he would get him help and stand by him. Interviewer if you are reading this, please help yourself (if there is a problem, which I really think there is) and speak to someone who will help you help yourself. I think calling Shane would be a good start. But here is the key if you are addicted to pills/heroine. You have to hate it!!!! And you won't hate it until you have lost everything (or almost everything) you maybe able to hate it before you have lots it all. But you really just have to think about how much this shit is fucking up your life and how you can't go anywhere because you need your fix, and blah blah blah. This kinda shit is horrible because.... So many reasons. You need to confess to someone who loves you and will help you see your way through it. If you don't hate it sooooooo much you will go back fast. Learn to hate it, then you change it and move forward
+Liberty Basset He probably just has the flu. People suffering from withdrawals are constantly fidgeting, no matter how they position themselves there is no being comfortable. But hey, I'm just a guy that doesn't jump to making horrible assumptions about people I will never meet and doesn't talk about shit I don't know about.
Marty and the others are amazingly brave and determined. I admire that they are willing to put themselves "out there" to keep someone else from getting trapped.. Going Clear is a great movie. I highly recommend it. I have never been a member of a cult, but have been interested since the early '70's. ^i^
The subject of the this interview did not want to talk about doing audits for 4yrs after he left Scientology. He controlled that portion of the interview and shifted the question asked him by saying that he was auditing people to show them they could look at the big picture of Scientology for themselves- they could come out of Scientology. I think he is still hooked.
I think the powers that be at VICE should consider doing a follow up with Marty now. His recent 180 degree change of heart is very unsettling and confusing. I’m sure this “abrupt about face” will be addressed on the second season of Leah’s A&E show. I think it airs sometime too. It looks like the scientology powers that be wanted someone noteworthy to be their mouthpiece puppet and they got ahold of this poor guy. It’s kinda sad actually. Who knows what he’s had to endure at their hands. The church needs someone to stand in front of a camera and say negative things about Remini and Rinter and Ortega and anyone else they deem enemies of scientology. No one deserves to be bullied or manipulated or threatened. Nor does anyone deserve to have attempts made to assassinate their character or attack family and friends or try to ruin their careers and livelihood. No one deserves to have their lives and their families ripped apart. The documentary on A&E has really helped to educate the world about atrocities that unfolded behind closed doors. And as the saying goes, “When we know better, we can do better!” Blessings to everyone! 🦄🌹🐶🦋🌼🌈☀️🍔🍿🥋🏹🏄🏽♀️🎨🎹
MCSilverNinja I wasn't familiar with Bombards until you mentioned it, but after checking it out I completely agree with you! Wow, Rathbun's videos would just have to be a body language instructors dream. I'm by no means an expert at all and he has so many blaring red flags that are noticeable just to the average eye...I can't imagine what an expert would assess. Maybe we should send a video recommendation! 😊 Thanks for the comment. Have a great day! ☀️
Chaim - it would appear so, yes. His website blog removed all negative writings about David Miscavige last year-ish (around the same time his wife dropped her lawsuit against Scientology) and over the past year+ now he has devoted much of his website to stories and videos he has created attacking ex Scientology members he used to sit next to and give testimony along side of in the various Scientology investigations by documentary directors and the media in general. He has done a complete 180 on the cult ... and the top theories are a.) he made a deal to stop Scientology's harassment of him and his family and b.) the lawsuit was dropped because, confidentially, he made some financial deal with Scientology and they are paying him a decent sum of money every 'x' amount of months in order to both cease all negative testimony about everything that's insane about Scientology and to also become their 'secret' (so thinly veiled it's laughable) attack dog against any Scientology detractors and those exposing the business for what it really is - especially Leah Remini and her Emmy Award winning show on A&E that is grinding away at Scientology and it's obnoxious, criminal behavior as recounted and exposed by former members of all rank and file within the cult itself. It's rather disgusting and very pathetic; however, Marty doesn't appear to have any sort of solid moral compass to begin with and, of those high ranking cult members who have left Scientology and exposed it for what it really is, it is not surprising that he would be the one to flip back to the 'other side'. You can see it in many of his interviews and most notably in 'My Scientology Movie' that was shot in 2015 with Louis Theroux, where he snapped more than once at Louis over fairly basic, honest questions and situations.
He actually went back to the cult later. After years of harassment he finally made some sort of deal that he will stop speaking against the cult. Just sort of 'disappear' from public life and from talking about scientology.
I suspect that leaving scientology wasn't a quick process for Mr. Rathbun, it was prolonged and messy. He seems to has made it all the way or most of the way through, good for him.
I would agree that part of Martys bitterness is that because he was the victimizer he wasnt as relatable or forgiveable as Remini and Rinder and Others are. And of course Marty proves this with his suspect lawsuit settlement and now his defense of Miscavviage.
I would hope that having issues with certain aspects of the pharmaceutical industry, wouldn't just be seen as a Scientology stance. There are some very wrong things with the pharmaceutical business.
That's too bad really, he seemed like a great leader and asset for the movement against Miscavage. I think most people following the situation, know that coming out of a cult that uses coercion and brainwashing like CO$ does, affects people differently and it takes a long time to come to grips with it. Add that to the fact that Marty, his wife and his kid have been thru the ringer for the last 10 years and he originally had to escape The Hole and then go into hiding. I actually feel really bad for him, because it's almost sounds like he's had some kind of breakdown.
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I was invited by a Scientology member one afternoon to go to an event, but decided to go to the corner store to buy a snickers bar instead. I was satisfied with that 🍫
Xenu has chocolate too
Snickers really satisfies.
Smart move, you probably saved yourself $100,000. - $500,000. and being watched, stalked for the rest of your life.
I would opt for a Heath…but a Snickers will do ❤😂😂😂😂
I heard Marty went back. You can tell from watching "Going Clear" that they still had some kind of hold over part of him.
It seems Marty and his wife made a deal with the 'church' to settle the lawsuit they were winning - stiffing his lawyers in the process. They are receiving some payments and he has turned on all the people with whom he was speaking out against the 'church'. He now refers to them as the anti-Scientology cult. He never stopped believing that the 'technology' worked. He may be the most unscrupulous person walking the planet. Never trust a single word coming from a Scientologist mouth. Never hire a Scientologist. This church needs to be taxed to death and shut down.
That sucks, maybe they had something on him, I mean they literally are like organized crime as he said, they're brutal.
Although he does still use a lot of their terminology & kind of reverts to their style of convoluted rambling, like he's kind of hardwired still
That is what I heard, too.
Yeah I’ve heard the same. Very sad
@@Ilovecerealcerealcereal He didn't actually go back into Scientology, but he is back in their pockets unfortunately. he still features in hate videos targetted at ex members he's just not a member of the church anymore. That's how Mike Rinder has described the situation.
I just saw Going Clear: UNBELIEVABLY BRAVE and amazing documentary.
I wonder if it bothers Marty of all the people he hurt. I've seen interviews with him and not once did he act ashamed of what he has done. He also said that now he's an independent Scientologist. That says a lot.
Why did he say that? Never heard that. When I watched Going Clear and the new Louis Theroux one I thought it seemed obvious he was remorseful.
stipV Check out his blog posts, they are baffling to say the least. He's singing a very different tune now, almost defending the COB.
Afya Abrafi That is bizarre...I'll check it out, thanks!
@Tina Bush. You're right. I have seen Mike Rinder break down and cry listening to a woman talking about how disconnection affected her and her family. On Leah Remini's [Scientology: And the aftermath] series. And I was really moved by that.
This is a very well conducted interview. The interviewer asks intelligent questions and listens intently when spoken to. Very nice.
Too bad Marty Rathbun took a $20mil payoff from the Church of Scamentology and is now back in their good graces.
nikto45 Unfortunately Rathbun is back with Scientology. He’s completely flipped back to attacking people he’s previously worked with in exposing the Church like Mike Rinder. He uploads videos now criticising Scientology critics
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It’s true.
It seems to me that he wasn't fully convinced himself. He keeps saying, "what WE are doing here" ... But these people are brainwashers, and they are good at what they do, so he just wasn't strong enough to keep his own mind. Sad
It’s obvious he has switched sides but how do you know he’s been paid off for such a huge sum?
@@toph8298 Answer = He doesn't. Fair to suspect that Scientology somehow "got to Rathbun" though.
Did anyone else get an advertisement in favour of Scientology before the video? I've been watching anti-COS videos and documentaries for the past few days. KNOW YOUR AUDIENCE, MISCAVIGE
It's Google doing it. Google's system has seen you watching Scientology videos, sees it has a ad about Scientology in their current ads, and showed it to you. It's called "Targeted Ads" and it works quite well more often then it doesn't.
it is crazy, i have searched for and watched hundreds of vegan videos and half the ads i get hit with are for Meaty Meat Meat lovers Pizza with Meat and spicy buffalo wings and just all kinds of food products i would not eat if they were free, a couple of weeks ago i finally had to download an adblocker program, the meat being thrown in my face over and over when i was trying to watch vegan videos made me want to stop coming to youtube. the program works really well.
I didn't.
kingorbit That is because Google's system doesn't understand that watching Vegan videos means you won't like a meat ad. It isn't clever AI or anything. It sees you watching food channels in general, so shows you a lot of food ads, meat or not.
Tina Bush
Ian Hislop has let himself go.
a VICE episode that's not about drugs or money ?? good one tho
drugs, money, Ukraine, terrorism, and Obama
Vice is all about that gangster lifestyle.
mokingbird84
What u mean,scientology is ALL about money.
there are drugs and money involved in scientology. look it up.
Vice is shifting its focus on news you'll be seeing more selective videos and less variety in the coming years.
Mark "Marty" Rathbun is a key subject of Alex Gibney's new documentary Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief. We discuss his Scientology past, auditing, and the harassment techniques allegedly used by the church.
Up Next: Hollywood's Most Secretive Religious Relic: E-Meter Testing ua-cam.com/video/rrNmk2J3rAo/v-deo.html
***** TRUTH.
VICE You could have done this on any religion.
Alexae B
they could have done this on any large organization, religious or not
Cliff Anderson Hah, yeah right. That's why you see people cut off from their families for leaving Microsoft, the Deptartment of Agriculture, United Steelworkers, etc. Sorry, you need religion for that. Not just "any large organization."
***** So, let me get this straight. You call Vice liberal ass clowns which makes me think that you are not a liberal and you resent liberals, then, why do you listen to this channel if they are liberals? And, do not tell me you listen to them to learn about your opposition (assuming you are not a liberal) because by the fact that you call them 'ass clowns', it tells me that you already think that they are not worth your time. Then, why do you want them to do real reporting because if they are 'ass clowns', they will not be able to do real reporting.
Do you see who is the 'ass clown' in this exchange? You!
Louis Theroux was right about this guy, in that he has a weird intensity that I don't like.
Trey I know right! I do believe it is because of is time in the church. I think the church did terrible things to him.
Trey yes, he clearly is a bit unhinged. You can imagine why Miscavige would have employed him as a brute for the church - imagine how scared you would be of this guy getting up in your face and slapping you around.
It’s funny to see your comment from 2 years ago now that he’s returned to the “church” of Scientology. Conveniently after settling that big lawsuit.
This guy seems completely untrustworthy.
I disagree completely. This was the REAL Marty Rathbun. Since then though, he has become the untrustworthy guy. Presumably "bought back" by Scientology.
The guy that was interviewing the other guy looked like he didn't understand a single thing that the guy was talking about XD
Bossman56789 ahaha yep
Bossman56789 OMG I know!! He was a total idiot! What a waste of time this video was. You know Marty wanted to talk, I can't believe this interviewer skipped over the part where Marty talks about where L Ron believes psychiatrists derive from or David Miscavige's abuse claims. I was like wtf?? Ask Marty to elaborate on that! I think the interviewer was afraid of Miscavige or the cult coming after him, probably has something to hide.
I've never heard the surname "shapiro" pronounced the way he does. I've always heard "shapeero"
Bossman56789 Neither did I.
Bossman56789 Haha yeah thats a pretty common thing with religion. I think its called Jabberwocky and its where you go along with what is said to avoid looking like a fool. The opposite would be to point out the emperor has no clothes. And thats to say: what you are saying is total nonsense.
i visited a scientology center in los angeles, while holidaying there....i watched the intro film on Hubbard's life......then i was approached by a lady while there, inviting me "upstairs" for an audit. I went to the base of the stairs with her to ascend,....looked up and immediately received a very alarming sense of FOREBODING and EVIL..... and a small voice saying..."don't go up there.....so i politely declined to go up with the lady.. who seemed very polite and very nice.....thank GOD for the small, benevolent, protective voice within all of us!
God is nothing, but I agree always follow the good in your heart.
Brave of him to step out and talk about the cult.
Marty Rathbun went back to Scientology and is now working as a double agent. Very sad
He is a criminal, bigtime
Love Marty Rathbun. What a courageous soul. He spoke very well in this interview and his purpose for speaking out (the harassment outside of scientologies walls) is an excellent point.
😂😂😂he was gone back to Scientology and made videos declaring that everything he said was a lie, the guy lack any principles and there’s no back no e to him, people like him are the scam of the earth.
Did you know it looks like he returned to Scientology?
@@JeremyWashington1489 interesting! I appreciate your reply!
At 13:50, if you look at the reflection in the window you can see someone is holding up a note for the interviewer (possibly the number "10") to indicate how much time there is left. The interviewer glances up at it.
i saw what you were talking about, what is the significance?
...Thanks?
Derek Pearson illuminati
These interviews are too controlled, too predetermined and biased. That's not how interviews should be.
Damon Cassada If you zoom in, the note says "10". If you take the digits from that number, and add them together, 1 + 0 = 1. How many letters in the word "VICE?" = 4. If you take these two numbers and find the difference, it's THREE. There's 3 sides on a triangle.,.... ILLUMINATI CONFIRMED
Good job on the interview. I am a Scientology Clear. I left the Church in December of 2001. I still live and work in Clearwater. I went on staff at Flag in the late 80's and was amazed at all the folks walking around the downtown area in uniform and the Scientology public. Now days the place is nearly deserted. I left when the Miscavige regime went off the rails and started squirreling on Hubbard's tech. The lower levels of Scientology and Dianetics really worked for me. After being out of the Church for 14 years I still use the tech in my WOG life. The Church is doomed to fade away as long as Miscavige is at the helm. I thank Marty for speaking out.
I don’t think you left when you wrote this … hope that has changed
I am wondering why psychological terror, abuse and stalking seems not to be handled as a crime in the US?!
Stalking is against the law in the US. So is abuse.
It’s disappointing that Marty caved in to Scientology’s blackmail and went back in years later.
I ALWAYS THOUGHT THESE GUYS WERE A BUNCH OF NUT JOBS... Now I know!!!
I guess Southpark's episode regarding Scientology was pretty much spot on.
phuk offndy
Was it? I saw that episode too and I'm not seeing all the parallels. Maybe I'm not paying close enough attention.
MrNightpwner Xenu the intergalactic overlord.. they believe all that. It is true what they showed on south park
Gloomshadow100 well... thos who are "in the know" believe that shit... the rest are basically just in a glorified drug therapy
*****"the rest"? who are "the rest"? You learn about Xenu when you hit OT3. Narconon isn't for scientologists, that's a service scientology sells to State agencies.
I wish Marty had not been pressured into going back to the cult. I really think they drove him insane with their harrassment of him. Plus, they payed him off somewhat. Just horrible.
Who esle got an ad for scientology?
+Mr. Stephan Wood Contact me
ya I did too.. lol
Nothin but pizza here
Lol get outta here bro
ad blocker fool!
can i just say that the chapter function using the annotations is fucking genius.
SHA-PYRO? Dude, your name is Shapiro hipster.....
BZER7ACTUAL Deadass what I was thinking 💀😂
Lmfaooo
The thing that interests me is that Scientology under different circumstances could have been so different than it is now. It's not entirely bullshit, this free association combined with extreme attentiveness and enthusiasm to bring out the best can work wonders on some people, and if scientology wasn't so friggin aggressive and defensive and money hungry it could have been quite successful! although unfortunately those are literally the defining qualities of it nowadays...
along with the fact that scientology members harass former members once the old members disassociate from scientology and the scientologists mind control not based on science or any truth......Scientology is surely not facts.
Couldn't agree with you more, Alex. Had it not become so controlling and money hungry it could have helped a bunch more people than it currently does. It also wouldn't have become so destructive.
@@hellenicblonde6117 no it couldn’t help anyone and it can never not be controlling since it’s a core part of the doctrine. Which is why no one freezones on iScientology without previously having been a cult member. Lay off the niacin.
The problem is that L. Ron Hubbard himself was aggressive and defensive and money hungry from the start.
@@albertnortononymous9020 true... but I still think the auditing process itself has some merit. It can genuinely help people through difficult times, but LRH and scientology twisted and perverted it
No wonder Marty went back in I think any of us would get tired of being harassed in such away. The best thing to do is don’t ever touch or enter a Scientology church
They have offices here in South Africa. Pretty empty...very few cars outside, not many people enter the place...
He since then stopped talking against the church for whatever reason
neptuneniq if u get any more info, let me know. I hope he's okay.
neptuneniq He was on Leah Remini's show
the 20/20 special 2 weeks ago was the most recent update
her show was taped awhile back
he suddenly stopped his stance against scientology and changed the tone of his blog.
See that boys and girls? When our interviewer picked up the handles of the e-meter he entered into an altered state. The very use of that machine and the presence of Rathburn was an hypnotic trigger. Poor fella. He really doesn't have anything to worry about. Hope he finds peace
It's so sad to see Marty as he was in 2015, compared to his mid-2017 videos where contradicts everything he says here and seems robotic and scripted.
Felix Automaton yup. He's back with them drinking that Xenu-add.
I suppose that the harassment eventually got to him so he likely made a “plea bargain” to get some peace. But no way do I think he went back; nor did any other
high ranking members who left the church.
I love the way you structured the video through interactive chapters. Good job! Great interview also!
10:50 "...18 years later he's [L. Ron Hubbard, founder of Scientlogy that is] writing stuff about how these people truly are evil beings who've been beamed in from another planet ...... "
11:02 "... He ultimately wrote very specific stuff about how psychiatrists, "psychs," in general, people involved in the mental health at any level, psychologists, are a special bred of being, Who were bred in another planet called Farsec They came to this planet at some point or another for one reason and one reason alone. To keep humanity ignorant and enslaved. ...."
Marty Rathbun reveals L. Ron Hubbard's "Farsec" psychiatrist's home planet!
L. Ron Hubbard gave psychiatrists their own planet that they came from!
Hubbard wrote this in all seriousness, Marty explains.
Very very important historical interview that covers some previously unrevealed secrets of L. Ron Hubbard's private writings!
Observing the inherent flaws and deceit of Scientology reveals much about the general nature of all organized religion.
Okay, if you don't like that analogy, then here's a better one. Observing the inherent flaws and deceit of Islam reveals much about the general nature of Buddhism.
scientology is not a religion. At least in most religions, a believer can disassociate himself from that religion without harrassment today. Scientology does not have the amount of members that some religions have, and yet scientology still harrasess it's former members who expose it's problems or lack of truth. Yes, religions may criticize former members or athesists but they do not go around trying to ruin their old members by labeling them however they want, to ruin them. Scientology is a scam. I can go to church on any given sunday and not give my life savings or some form of money assistance to them if i do not want to. And, i go to church sometimes. But, I will not be involved with scientology or it's scam, not today or any day.
Scientology is not a religion. It uses religious cloaking for tax exemption.
How the hell could any human with a brain refer to it as a church?
Marty gives an excellent description of why people are deluded into thinking that are getting 'wins' from auditing. Jung made a similar point regarding the therapeutic effect of giving someone kind attention to a patient/client - he was actually upset upon realising that there were no 'methods,' only kind attention.
So much RESPECT, Marty!!
I love how this interviewer pronounces his name. Is it because he doesn't want to be confused with the conservative activist Ben Shapiro?
Yes I was wondering about that too haha
ik i am 5 years late... sorry
@@tommasoguandalini2256 That's both of us then.
Watching Marty Rathbun talk about how terrible Scientology treats their members is sort of like watching Hermann Goering talk about how terrible the Germans treated the Jews in world war 2. Marty was the one who was perpetrating a lot of the worst crimes against the members of the church. We're talking about some really bad stuff that he's done, things like forced child labor, kidnapping, tearing families apart, forcing people in slave labor conditions, forcing women to have abortions, etc. If the internal church records were released, Marty would be in prison right alongside David Miscarriage and nether one of them would never get out.
Greg S
Maybe that's why he went back.
Also, he only left when he received some of the same treatment he had dished out over the years, which points to the impetus for his exit being a bruised ego of perhaps a sociopathic narcissist. He came off to me as an arrogant bully during the entire Louis Theroux doc. Yuck
And now Marty has done a 180..
The annotation links here are terrific, are all the VICE videos like this? Why haven't I noticed before
I don't think their aim was ever to actually destroy psychiatry, only to create a deep distrust of it within their flock, thus removing a very serious potential threat to diagnosing and treating the disorder that Scientology incubates and maintains. It's a very calculated measure they employ to keep as much money flowing in for as long as they can.
Watched the HBO special and i was amazed how scientology use some of the same techniques as the US government. Eye opening.
Is it just me or do a lot of Scientologists seem to have trouble with speech, as in finishing a thought or producing a clear sentence? I'm not a great orator or an English professor myself, it's just something I've noticed.
yeah. Scilons cant speak English... the first course they take is the "Communication course" and after you take that one you will fail to communicate clearly with any other human.
I think they're just always speaking in some level of code & not always being 100% truthful so it comes off as speaking in a choppy way
I think that's a product of always having to be extra careful of what they say. It's sometimes difficult for the mind to hold one thought or idea and convincingly express a different one simultaneously.
They are very careful of what they say as they are guarded. He didn't get so up the latter because he was nice. He probably is a master manipulator that wanted out. All those people seem scary.
***** What 2 people are you talking about, and when did I say anything about 2 people? I hope you know the interviewer isn't a Scientologist...
Learnt more about Scientology from this interview than the whole of Louis's film.
How can I watch the HBO documentary in the UK....Please help.
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Im very interested in the part you cut out while he was explaining how the testing worked. Can you post the full interview?
The way he looks and talks reminds me of Krist Novoselic of Nirvana. Could be his dad.
Fascinating. There's a Scientology church in central London and I'm so tempted to walk in and inquire. You can't help but be intrigued by it.
I went in back in 2008 before i went to see a band called velvet revolver- a overly friendly young guy started trying to sell me Dianetics books and wanted me to take an audit. I chickened out, made some excuse about having to get some money out to buy a book and i got out of there quick!
Much respect to Marty and his ability to think for himself and rationally deduce himself out of being brainwashed. You can tell he is a very wise man.
Spoiler alert!!.. Marty takes the $$ from COS and rejoins the cult.
But it seems like Marty went back to Scientology and he's high fiving David Miscavige
Ben Shap(eye)ro.....tfw your name is already taken.
Desperation is frightening
I Loved VICE when it was new & fresh, now me thinks they've sold out and their investigative journalisim is suffering because of it... Anyone else think the same.
Miscavige? That you?
What a difference 5 years makes...
Westbro Baptist Church or Scientology....which is more batshit insane???
Depends on which aspects are the focus. If you want true insanity, forget about religion and go straight to politics and political parties.
cmhonsu33 unless scientologists throw bricks at gays and shit on dead soldiers then i would have to say westboro church
yeah westboro finds a way to piss everybody off, i hope that church gets shot up
Damien G same
***** yeah i agree, my comment wasnt to smart now that i think about it - those who deserve it should get it not kids who are brainwashed into the whole cult. Anyways karma will find its way to those jackasses in the end, i mean the world already hates them so thats a good start. Im just not religious, religion seems to cause problems plus im not going to go to church/worship because somone told me to - i believe theres a higher being/beings out there and whether it be a god or even a different species who knows.
I guess the outside was too lonely and scary for Marty to stay out. Nothing felt like home. Such a sad ending to a story full of hope
Anything for an easy life. CoS wore him down then made him a financially lucrative offer to drop the lawsuit and make a handful of videos denouncing Remini and Rinder. Honestly I can’t really judge Marty, many other would have taken the offer to bring the fair game to end and a financial settlement that would set them up for life
@@PerpetualAlfa no judgement at all. I'm sad for him is all. Such a magnificent, capable and outstanding man. He could have been or had anything if he hadn't been roped in by scientology to begin with. Both Marty and Mike Rinder have left me in awe. The choices they made there after cannot be ever fully understood by anyone who hasn't experienced that level of control and coercion. Marty knows I'm sure that these attack videos being made do nothing to further the cause of scientology and, in fact, confirm public opinion of its corruption and propensity towards being malicious and ridiculous
Scientology refused to take me.. :(
Impurely They took Tom Cruise..No, I failed the test. I over applied myself in retrospect.
Impurely Hoooooooooooooooooo!!!!!
I refused to take Scientology.
***** I didn't say anything was wrong with being gay. But you _will_ have to be in the company of apextroll.
Impurely I'm a serial killer..not gay.
How come there is an ad for Scientology popping up in the beginning of this show ?? WTF
Thank you Marty and Mike! Your speaking out is so appreciated. I can just see Slappy Mcsavage jumping up and down, screaming about it. It is so clear how upset he is by the stalking campaign he adopts against you and anyone who speaks out against Scientology. I just love it when Scientologist try and bullbait and fair game you and Mike...like come on....you guys can fair game/bullbait them out of any arena....Best wishes to both you and Mike.
Sadly, Rathbun has recanted and may be back with the COS - since 2018 or 16.
Thanks for speaking out for those that can't
too bad he took $cientology's big money offer and has not only shut up, he is now criticizing those against $cientology!
What happened? Marty Rathbun is back to helping the Church of Scientology?
pretty much yeah
It was a eye opening experience for me....HBO has the best Doc's!!
A company shouldn't have a religion.
A very serious and well handled interview. Thank you Vice.
And now he is back on Scientology's side. Unbelievable! They drove him insane with the squirrel busters. And, his wife withdrew her lawsuit against the "church" too! I really believed Marty would make it, but he caved. So sad....
money talks!
When people leave Scientology, a lot of times they return to the church and apologize for leaving. Apparently one big reason Scientologists leave Scientology is because they are told it is a cult. These former members often look into the mainstream psychology field, because when they were in Scientology, the church officials always warned them the psychology field was very bad and dangerous. So, they start to investigate the psychology field, how it works, who it can label as being mentally ill, how it earns its money, how psyche meds work and how they bring in billions for the pharma companies. After a while, they run back to Scientology apologizing for leaving.
It seems to me that Marty suffers from untreated PTSD. You can see he is being triggered when you watch My Scientology Movie. He's barely able to control himself by the end of that movie, and takes things out on Theroux. He seems to be contemplating some drastic action when he reacts to the scientology operatives threatening his adoption or adoptive child. He keeps repeating about the statement they said about, "Are you foster care payments enough" so it's clear that made a deep impact on him and shook him up. Even PTSD it is treated, it's a pernicious illness brought on by trauma.
Theroux is an asshat..
Absolutely overrated, pushy and has no concern for this interviewees, only the content.
Nuff said.
We need to go at them without ANY fear. This cult needs to be destroyed.
Don’t get excited guys, this man went back to Scientology
unfortunately they got to Marty Rathbun and he was got at and went back
Awww bummer. I don like that he was squerreling tho. It shows he ain't done with Scientology.
Rose, isn't what Marty's doing considered squerreling????
The film is absolutely riveting, and very thoughtfully documents how coercive groups like Scientology can produce seemingly beneficial results that is followed by very destructive behavior.
The interviewer looks like hes on drugs or something, maybe just very worried and feels somewhat intimidated.
I was thinking the same thing. He may have the flu, or the withdraws. He has the look of withdrawing from opiates, although it's doesn't look that bad, if it is opiates. Hopefully Shane smith realizes there is a issue (if indeed there is) and gets him help. Shane has spoken a lot about his cocaine use so i don't think he would fire this guy I think he would get him help and stand by him. Interviewer if you are reading this, please help yourself (if there is a problem, which I really think there is) and speak to someone who will help you help yourself. I think calling Shane would be a good start. But here is the key if you are addicted to pills/heroine. You have to hate it!!!! And you won't hate it until you have lost everything (or almost everything) you maybe able to hate it before you have lots it all. But you really just have to think about how much this shit is fucking up your life and how you can't go anywhere because you need your fix, and blah blah blah. This kinda shit is horrible because.... So many reasons. You need to confess to someone who loves you and will help you see your way through it. If you don't hate it sooooooo much you will go back fast. Learn to hate it, then you change it and move forward
+Liberty Basset He probably just has the flu. People suffering from withdrawals are constantly fidgeting, no matter how they position themselves there is no being comfortable. But hey, I'm just a guy that doesn't jump to making horrible assumptions about people I will never meet and doesn't talk about shit I don't know about.
+SUPER NOVA Looks like a Jew with a cold to me...
Nah, he just looks tired. Look at the bags under his eyes.
+Liberty Basset tell you from experience no chance he is going through opiate withdrawal because he isn't pissing out so his ass every 5 mins
The only thing that Scientology will clear it is bank account.....and your friends and family when you leave.
That film scared the shit out of me. Scientology is more dangerous than ISIS.
which one?
Scientologists don't wanna behead you on national TV for not believing what they believe, unlike ISIS. So how are they more dangerous?
Exactly, when Scientology behead's you nobody will know.
Fresh Garbage I know you're not serious but if nobody knows they're beheading people, how can anyone know that?
Obama founded Scientology.
Marty and the others are amazingly brave and determined. I admire that they are willing to put themselves "out there" to keep someone else from getting trapped.. Going Clear is a great movie. I highly recommend it. I have never been a member of a cult, but have been interested since the early '70's. ^i^
Lol i got a scientology ad on this video, brainwash much?
+Jordan Belfort
Thank LRH for uBlock Origin.
+Jordan Belfort Me too. Never seen one of this before. LOL
You can't get brainwashed if you know what to look out for and build a resistance to it.
Use ad block the answer is simple.
where the ludes at ?
The subject of the this interview did not want to talk about doing audits for 4yrs after he left Scientology. He controlled that portion of the interview and shifted the question asked him by saying that he was auditing people to show them they could look at the big picture of Scientology for themselves- they could come out of Scientology. I think he is still hooked.
Good observation. Interestingly, looks like he had returned to Scientology, sadly.
I think the powers that be at VICE should consider doing a follow up with Marty now. His recent 180 degree change of heart is very unsettling and confusing. I’m sure this “abrupt about face” will be addressed on the second season of Leah’s A&E show. I think it airs sometime too. It looks like the scientology powers that be wanted someone noteworthy to be their mouthpiece puppet and they got ahold of this poor guy. It’s kinda sad actually. Who knows what he’s had to endure at their hands. The church needs someone to stand in front of a camera and say negative things about Remini and Rinter and Ortega and anyone else they deem enemies of scientology. No one deserves to be bullied or manipulated or threatened. Nor does anyone deserve to have attempts made to assassinate their character or attack family and friends or try to ruin their careers and livelihood. No one deserves to have their lives and their families ripped apart.
The documentary on A&E has really helped to educate the world about atrocities that unfolded behind closed doors. And as the saying goes, “When we know better, we can do better!”
Blessings to everyone! 🦄🌹🐶🦋🌼🌈☀️🍔🍿🥋🏹🏄🏽♀️🎨🎹
Kate B , yeah, love to have bombard body language channel do a review of a recent reversion vid of rathburn.
MCSilverNinja I wasn't familiar with Bombards until you mentioned it, but after checking it out I completely agree with you! Wow, Rathbun's videos would just have to be a body language instructors dream. I'm by no means an expert at all and he has so many blaring red flags that are noticeable just to the average eye...I can't imagine what an expert would assess. Maybe we should send a video recommendation! 😊
Thanks for the comment. Have a great day! ☀️
Chaim - it would appear so, yes. His website blog removed all negative writings about David Miscavige last year-ish (around the same time his wife dropped her lawsuit against Scientology) and over the past year+ now he has devoted much of his website to stories and videos he has created attacking ex Scientology members he used to sit next to and give testimony along side of in the various Scientology investigations by documentary directors and the media in general.
He has done a complete 180 on the cult ... and the top theories are a.) he made a deal to stop Scientology's harassment of him and his family and b.) the lawsuit was dropped because, confidentially, he made some financial deal with Scientology and they are paying him a decent sum of money every 'x' amount of months in order to both cease all negative testimony about everything that's insane about Scientology and to also become their 'secret' (so thinly veiled it's laughable) attack dog against any Scientology detractors and those exposing the business for what it really is - especially Leah Remini and her Emmy Award winning show on A&E that is grinding away at Scientology and it's obnoxious, criminal behavior as recounted and exposed by former members of all rank and file within the cult itself.
It's rather disgusting and very pathetic; however, Marty doesn't appear to have any sort of solid moral compass to begin with and, of those high ranking cult members who have left Scientology and exposed it for what it really is, it is not surprising that he would be the one to flip back to the 'other side'. You can see it in many of his interviews and most notably in 'My Scientology Movie' that was shot in 2015 with Louis Theroux, where he snapped more than once at Louis over fairly basic, honest questions and situations.
He actually went back to the cult later. After years of harassment he finally made some sort of deal that he will stop speaking against the cult. Just sort of 'disappear' from public life and from talking about scientology.
I suspect that leaving scientology wasn't a quick process for Mr. Rathbun, it was prolonged and messy. He seems to has made it all the way or most of the way through, good for him.
Xeon Masterracev2 aaaannnndddd he’s back lmao
The city looks beautiful with the snow.
Could have picked a better interviewer tho. Guy looks totally uninterested and just zones out sometimes
oh the irony when the commercial right before the video was scientology's superbowl ad
THis guy talking seems like he has not been completely cured yet
He's now back in the cult and stopped talking negatively about them.
Rathbun has now flipped back!
I would agree that part of Martys bitterness is that because he was the victimizer he wasnt as relatable or forgiveable as Remini and Rinder and Others are. And of course Marty proves this with his suspect lawsuit settlement and now his defense of Miscavviage.
Stop calling it a church.
its a church its a church church church churrrrrrrrrrrrccchhhhhhhhh CHURCH SCIENTOLOGY chrch
No more ridiculous than a christian church
Rathbun seems so grounded here and makes so much sense, telling it like it is. What went wrong in the meantime??
He’s somebody with no ethics and moral, just living his life the worse way he can, a total hypocrite, how can he go back to vomit?
179 Scientologists disliked this video.
I would hope that having issues with certain aspects of the pharmaceutical industry, wouldn't just be seen as a Scientology stance. There are some very wrong things with the pharmaceutical business.
Marty's not talking negatively about the cult anymore.
yep, paid off by the cult... sell out.
That's too bad really, he seemed like a great leader and asset for the movement against Miscavage. I think most people following the situation, know that coming out of a cult that uses coercion and brainwashing like CO$ does, affects people differently and it takes a long time to come to grips with it. Add that to the fact that Marty, his wife and his kid have been thru the ringer for the last 10 years and he originally had to escape The Hole and then go into hiding. I actually feel really bad for him, because it's almost sounds like he's had some kind of breakdown.
Excellent questions from the interviewer.
Is he "clear"?
+D TEE This guy was wayyyyy high up on the scientology totem pole. Clear and then some.
+D TEE
He is. And he did a lot of evil during his stint. But at least now he's spending his time contributing to the fall of Scientology.
Aivottaja If you are "clear" aren't you supposed to be immortal?
D TEE
Oh, I thought you meant is he clear of Scientology.
….and now he’s back in the cult. It’s so sad that they lured him back.
The interviewer looks like Paul Sarsgaard.
MAT T Peter Sarsgaard ?
Even some of the people that leave Scientology don't seem on the up and up.
26 scientologist disliked this video
Lol
The Self-Made Man ..Sooooooooooooo
yeah... it's basically an anti scientology video. they even state the fact that he got out of it in 04 .............
They're not allowed to watch anything bad about scientology
The Self-Made Man I like the fact they didn't like it.
The prison of belief. Sounds about right.
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