My Problem with Tamko Heritage Shingles
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
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Imagine being the homeowner or this house and seeing this video lol.
Gulping after installing only tamko for last 10 years .. next roof I'm doing timberline hd!
30 yrs ago, Tamco was great, it was what the owner of the roofing company I worked for swore by. But he said in 20- 30 yrs they may not be.
He told me that when a shingle is good, someone will buy them out or they will get a CEO that wants to justify their compensation package and increase profits, so they will start cutting corners.
Now, it seems to be GAF at the top with what seems to be a good system.
For how long, depends on them.
I’d like to see a Review on Tamko’s new premium version of Heritage ProLine. The New series called Titan XT has a 160 MPH wind warranty plus they advertise better asphalt formula, better granules & a reinforced wider nail zone just like OC duration & IKO dynasty. I was always anti Tamko myself but here in Florida that was the only product that was readily available throughout the pandemic while all the others OC, Atlas, Certainteed & GAF we’re practically non existent with long backlogs & even some with temporarily discontinued colors. I ended up trying out the new Tamko Titan XT series and this shingle has earned some of my business. When I sell Tamko it’s only Titan XT. Though it’s still an asphalt shingle and I’m not very happy with all the manufacturers for all of them cutting corners somehow with some cutting more then others. I am impressed with Tamko stepping up there game with Titan XT series. The bundles even feel heavier making me feel that theyre actually starting to put some more asphalt back into there shingle. Let us know D?
Yea I'd love to hear Dimitry review Titan XT, i'm in SW FL and the colors I wanted in some brands aren't available, but saw colors I like in Titan XT, but worried about all Tamkos past reviews of low quality
Always putting out great content.
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All asphalt shingles have their issues. We know different brands of shingles in the same series hold up to weather differently, ( assuming workmanship, insulation is on point ) tamko has never been a heavy hitter with wind, they just don’t handle it well, but we love TAMKO because they have always been there for us when dealing with claims defect department. We just finished a 60sq roof 14yrs old. TAMKO PAID IN FULL 💯 NO ISSUES.
We did another 60+ sq. TAMKO DEFECT 💯PAID No problems.
GAF has been easy to work with as well, Malarkey not so easy.
Doing a repair on a Malarkey, GAF not so easy either, these new shingles with all of them have changed the repair game completely, not like the old days where they popped right up.
Put Tamco heritage on my roof 4yrs ago, looks like the day they were put on.
OC shingles have problem with offset laminations as well. With that said, OC is the only shingle i recommend to homeowners.
I just started installing o.c over iko because they adhere better. But! There lengths grow! I'll start with 5 5/8, but within 40 ft I'll be at 41/2 on my stagger. Just annoying just like roofing lol. There multiple lot numbers kinda suck too
When shingles don't bond, I assume they are Tamko and I am rarely wrong when I check to verify.
I make my guys gauge there shingles, it really helps when you get shingles with various sized keys. There is a reason why they put those Guages on the gun. They all still put on there 15-20 squ a day as well.
I'm getting estimates now for a new roof now. I'll remember this video. What roof shingles do you recommend? Thank you for posting this video. I'm in Florida.
Check out directorii.com for our recommendation for roofing contractor, we have roofing shingle guide for products
Euroshield ♻️ Rubber Roofing went through hurricane Ian in Cape Coral great despite palm trees hitting it. The neighbors with tile or disposable asphalt roofs are all tarped now.
I would agree with a lot of comments on here. I mainly use Certainteed and have never had an issue. I’m a very particular roofer and select only quality products to install. As a small company, I refuse to install GAF, Tamko, and IKO. The area I live in, Midwest Indiana, put a class action lawsuit against IKO and won. IKO, even then, only paid out $500 per roof. GAF are commonly used with companies here that are known for poor quality and it’s common to see shingles delaminating as soon as one year after installation. You’ve said enough about the poor quality of Tamko. I need not elaborate more.
Tamko, IKO, etc are just not worth the hassle (I even think GAF has gone downhill). Why you feel the need to save $7 a sq on a $20k roof is beyond me, it's just not worth the headache. I've been open 15 years and have NEVER had a warranty call. Several years ago I bought a competitors customer list when they went out of business and for the first 2 years I ONLY got warranty calls from them - no wonder they decided to quit.
OC, Malarkey, Certainteed, a couple others are all top tier and offer great piece of mind, I personally settled on OC but pick something you can stand behind and, MOST IMPORTANTLY, will stand behind you!
There's nothing wrong with IKO DYNASTY
Honestly, we are here in the epicenter of Hurricane Ian. New and old roofs had terrible damage with IKO shingles. 1 year old and even 1 month old roofs had 7 bundles of shingles blown off. Not including the 4 bundles of cap. These were 30 square roofs. Weve repaired Tamko as well and the shingles do amazing. 5 shingles on a 40 square. Same age and same installers as the IKO brand. 3 bundles of cap gone. Owens Corning also fairs more damage than Tamko. I was surprised myself. We did 3 houses with 2 bundles of shingle and 5 bundles of cap. I myself am installing OC on my roof at the moment but I dont understand the hate Tamko gets. Weve been on around 80 roofs to do repairs after Ian and Tamko shingles have faired the best.
@@ernestomendoza3570 duration is better than iko dynasty in my opinion. Because the nail strip is on the face of the shingle rather than the back side.. unfortunately where I am in Canada they stopped supplying duration. Iko is very competitive and I think the salesman are hard at work.. I appreciate everything about duration even the cap was good. But IKO is a good comparison. Especially when you look at the ridge cap options. Manufacturers like GAF have a really thin ridge cap. I still have lots of oc ridge caps in my yard I will probably not get to use because I haven't seen any oc for 2 years.. not a fan of BP.. I prefer Iko where I am at now a days. We get high winds so I only install dynasty.
I do agree it's not a good product anymore. I've been roofing 22 years and still install with my guys. I remember when I started roofing it was the predominant shingle used in my area. About 2005-2006 is when everyone stated to notice the weight had been cut dramatically on the shingles and the shingle weren't consistent. Everyone still used them because they were cheap. As for as using them anymore , we don't. I gave up on them as a quality manufacturer when they were refusing to honor warranties especially to a few of my customers who were retired military. We had to fight them for any type of help. It was heart breaking.
Over the last year, my company has uncovered over 200 homes with Tamko roofs less than 2 years old that have to be replace. New construction loves to use them and they start to have issues out here usually after 3-6 months. Every single time we see it fail that fast its Tamko, and probably 80% of the time Tamko denies any fault when we initially report it. It's to the point the attorney we work with has built a template for his filings with Tamko to force them to honor their warranty or face yet another lawsuit. They've had class action lawsuit after class action lawsuit for it but still deny fault.
I wish I knew how you go about filing a suit against them... They had me spend over twenty dollars to send three whole shingles to them. Then denied my warranty claim.
Interestingly their Vintage Heritage line is very good and affordable for a 'luxury shingle'. But yes, their standard arch shingle has always been below par (but way better than it was 20 years ago when I was installing, heavy granule loss after 5-6 years).
Nice review
I was at a resale/salvage store where they have a ton of shingle’s for sale at almost half price. Tamko, OC, and I think one other brand. In the store I asked a question about them, and nearby was a customer who answered my question about the shingles. He’s a contractor, of 40 or so yrs, and said Tamko is the best.. he uses is consistently, in fact was there buying some. So I recommended it to my husband, and he went and bought them. Not yet installed.. now I am worried! He and his amateur buddies are doing the job.. half of the old garage, fortunately.
No supplier in my town carries Tamko anymore. They lose more than half their granules within 5 or 6 years on the south sides of roofs. Im in Southern New Mexico.
I am also in Southern New Mexico. Every wind storm I would lose shingles. They also just look like crap. I am lucky I was able to get the roof to last 15 years.
Tamko has a plant in Joplin and probably 90% of builders and roofers in southwest MO uses it because it is cheap. Great for our location in that area because there are always roofs that need to be replaced that are 5-7 years old and in that situation homeowners are excited to buy better quality. In kansas city and st louis you rarely see Tamko because it has such a poor reputation.
Never use tamko , I like oc duration shingles, nailing area is great and they nicely stick together for wind resistance....only problem is future service , hard to separate them, but I guess thats good for heavy winds
Did you have problems with IKO in the past?
@@RoofingInsights3.0
I have seen iko roof that failed very quickly , I heard that their quality got better recently but I really like that strong nylon stripe on duration . I think that makes big difference.
Would choose iko over tamko no question...
Likewise- i don't install anything less than Duration TD. Worth it.
I haveIKO dont buy my are 8 year old and they dont stick @@RoofingInsights3.0
Are Owens Corning the best? That's what I keep hearing....
Are they really that bad or could they just been installed badly? Have Aspen Roofing trying to sell me on these Class 3 shingles and I just know nothing about them or roofs and I have lots of hail damage right now, help.
Absolutely accurate on tamko. Modern version of tamko of 10 yrs ago would be certainteed. Many defects they have and they do not fix. Nor do they replace. We spend approx $1M per year with certainteed but not a penny more. Shameful what they do.
I am a home owner and my shingles are 5 years old and are crumbling. What do I do. Warranty?
Hi Patrick, follow a clear path of escalation. 1. make an appointment with the roofing company (management preferably) that installed it and state your observation. 2. ask the roofing company to pull the records of when they ordered your roof materials list from their supplier (most likely their P.O.# will be your address). 3. confirm that the installation was done according to manufacturer standards (in order to file a manufacturer's defect, you have to show that the installation was done EXACTLY "by the book"). example: # of nails per shingle; proper of spacing of cap nails on underlayment; Underlayment offsetting 6 ft on endlaps over hips, etc.. 4. Most likely it's a manufacturer's defect, just hope they don't ding you in the unlikely event the manufacturer has a way out due to a disclaimer. As long as the roofing materials were procured through "proper channels" you'll be ok. Also, if you win the warranty claim on defective materials, you will have a choice on which roofing contractor you choose. Hopefully you choose the same company that installed them, as long as you are happy with their service. If not, Dmitry has a company called Directorii where you can get guidance on a new roofing company to choose from. Have an awesome day!
Whatever you do, don’t go back with Disposable Asphalt anymore. That’s what they do. 5 years is pretty fast though. May want a competent roofing pro to come take a look. Find one on his Directorii for the $20k guarantee.
Been roofing in NE Oklahoma since ‘87, no I am not a fan of TAMKO for the reasons you stated. It’s my understanding that TAMKO was the first manufacturer in this region to make laminated shingles widely available and I think they’ve been relying on their “pioneer” image for way too long rather than putting a focus on quality control and
R&D. Matter of fact, their name is an acronym for this region where they first focused their efforts… (Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma). They have recently started changing their focus I believe so let’s hope they improve their product. 👍
Dmitry Please review the Titan XT
great video! Dmitry do your guys have to wear rope and harness installing the roof in florida? In your video I did not see anyone wearing one.
My Forman and I would try to get him to change colors because of the shingle. We only install gaf or CertainTeed
Hi Dmitry,
I've found that Atlas shingles have a poor bond at the shingle lamination area.
I've posted a video showing it and Atlas still won't respond.
I can send you the link if you like.
Marc
Dmitry, Here's the video.
ua-cam.com/video/BITbUNrgP5w/v-deo.html
Sealant strips fail. Need interlock system.
@@DavidSummerly
I'll check into it.
Thanks.
@@DavidSummerly
I checked into it. You are referring to metal or heavy plastic roofing, correct?
@@highqualityhomemaintenance7565 Euroshield ♻️ Rubber Roofing shingles are a full interlock system. Some other specialty roofs may be as well.
I’ve got a #Euroshield recycled rubber #VermontSlate in that area in perfect shape after Hurricane Ian despite palm trees even bouncing off of it. 😘
David!!! There you are. How've you been? Didn't see you at RoofCon
@@theroofstore Jairo! I was telling someone about you again recently! We had a booth at Roofcon. Let’s catch up this week. You have my 337 or my 727 number?
@@DavidSummerly 337
@@theroofstore looking forward to your call Brother.
Jack o latern they allways remind me of a teeth on a carved pumpkin !
Great packaging though
You mentioned GAF. Their product is no better than Tamco in my opinion.
I would’ve told the customer no
Tamko absolutely sucks, it is the worst shingle brand hands down! Their seal strip never activates either making it very vulnerable to even the lightest wind storms.
They dont sell Tamko anymore in Calif for "some" reason. Not sure why. Anybody know? I would rather see clients upgrade to a "pro" style shingle on a ANY brand and stay away from the basic dimensional if they can afford it.
I was talking to the manager of a Beacon yard in the Bay Area - he told me he won't sell it but for some reason his Stockton/Modesto locations sell a bit of Tamko. My parent's old roof was Tamko, it looked bad after 18 years and lost almost all its granules. Their roofer installs only OC Duration or GAF Grand Sequoia.
Wow they’ve revised the Heritage a little since I last used it. Still doesn’t look like a great product. Unfortunately when i bought my house it had a brand new Tamko roof so I get to live with them for another 15-20 years.
More like 8-10 years if you're lucky.
Worse shingle...degranulate faster...tar strip is thin...nail zone is small...they delaminate more than all other companies combined!
Come on guys they maybe good for a Rent House ; Tool Shed or Barn ; Chicken Coop; a Car Garage where your trying to save $$$$ ;
Premature granule loss. Significant mold after only 6-7 years.(on several roofs)
Tamko is junk.
I’m working in Cape Coral, how long are you down here?
Go check out Euroshield Vermont Slate ♻️ rubber roofing at 343 SE 34th St. Palm Trees even bounced off it in Ian. Perfect shape. Neighbors are all tarped.
Hey David ,I’ll stop by to see your roof shingles from the street ,love to get your opinion,I also live in Cape Coral,Thks
God damn look at all them tarps
Ha, roofer today is pushing Tamco Titan XT
You will be surprised how many do!
@@RoofingInsights3.0 he said any brand but he's really impressed with Tamco Titan XT. I asked for CertainTeed or OC. Of course they're more $$$$
In TAMKO you cannot "TRUST".
You're telling me 25 year shingles and they won't warrant them. The massive complaints they have on the Better Business Bureau and are totally disrespectful. I wish the roofing company I hired wouldn't have put that crap on my home.
Gaf all day
The problem isn't the brand! It's the product asphalt shingles. The only thing they are good for is trapping consumers into debt! The amount of wealth contractors have stolen is appalling!
Absolutely. This is why I picked F-wave.
Euroshield ♻️ Rubber Roofing Shingles are by far the best option.
@@DavidSummerly Euroshield have a poor class-C fire rating. F-wave is class-A. But both are way better than asphalt shingles.
@@roundrockguy we could easily cheat and get the class A the same way many competitors do but don’t feel right about it since it’s a gimmick for testing that weather’s off. I am not allowed to give my opinion about the durability of that other product (or lack thereof). They aren’t but an insignificant fraction of what we’re trying to replace. Put Euroshield to the test against any weather or simulated weather compared to any other product & you’ll see how much better it is. Doesn’t fade, crack, dent, or even have a sealant strip to fail from wind for starters. No comparison. Grab some free samples from all of them. Walk on, mallet hit, & hand smash them all to witness for yourself what happens. Night & day.
@@DavidSummerly sounds like you work for Euroshield. I am a customer of F-wave. I looked at Euroshield and didn't like it's monochrome appearance.
I've been using them for 15 years. I prefer them over GAF. i've had 0 issues.
damn those shingles are pretty bad. BP mystique is best shigle
Best based on?
@@DavidSummerly double sealants , 6 inch exposer "use a little less shingles"..... 42in shingles makes it a absolute perfect cube when the pallets are stacked in increments of 3... Other brands do not and cause defects in shingles that are stacked on the bottom pallets . BP is best shingle for low slow slopes 4/12-3/12 . No other brand has that double sealant ...a whole another sperate line of sealant and under common bond .....atlast® has a double seal but it's in in the same area on shingle . With BP shingles the double band has two locations for two different jobs. ...BP is infact the best shingle . In especially for slopes lower then 5/12. I been installing shingling for homeowners for years . My opinion is my opinion. GAF .doesn't have two bands of sealant , they do not have 6 inch exposer, therefore maybe s 1-2 bundles more per roof dependent on squares of roof. gAF when stacked by three bundles into a cube . Does not make a perfect cube and bottom pallets become defected . Look up BP shingles.... Just look it up ,atlast has 6 inch shingles but no double band ...a real one at least. ..
@@DavidSummerly I live in Virginia United States they don't even sell that brand here I have to go to a special materials dealer to get them they don't sell them here in Virginia but whenever I do buy them from that dealer they're literally the best shingle six inch exposure two different sealant bands and when you stack the bundles and increments of three to make a pallet the cube is perfectly cubed that way a lot of weight wouldn't cause defects in the bottom shingles that has to hold most of the weight hopefully you can understand if you don't sorry buddy you got some research and learning to do
@@mikeylopez9625 thanks for breaking it down for me. Was just genuinely curious. I used to see them being transported in Colorado but people rarely mention or even know about them. I cover Virginia & 12 other states for Euroshield ♻️ Rubber Roofing if I can ever be of assistance.
@@DavidSummerly you said you was generally curious but your comment said "based on "....nd that's an argumentative statement... There is no other shingle in the world that has a sealant strip under the common Bond I don't mind breaking it down but when you said "based on".. I was like oh yeah time to argue for my favorite shingle
All shingles have the same 1/8 laminate overlay hear and there. Tamko has more area to hit with the gun than GAF. Guy doesnt know whats up.
I am gaf mater elite, I would have tried to convince them that pick a gaf colour
I work at SRS in College Station & we’ve had a lot of issues with just stocking the product 🫤 let alone installing it