Lorcana First Impressions - Disney's New TCG Has Generational Appeal....But Does The Game Hold Up?
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- Опубліковано 17 лип 2024
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Disney Lorcana is a trading card game (TCG) that features Disney characters in both original and reimagined art styles that live in an all-new world with unique and magical gameplay.
The game is set in the rich and fantastical world of Lorcana, a combination of the words "lore" and "arcana". Players will take on the mantle of Illumineer, a powerful sorcerer, and band together Disney characters from Lorcana's "The Great Illuminary", a treasury of all Disney songs and stories ever made.
Disney Lorcana doesn't have an official player count on the packaging, but the designers have suggested 2-6 is an appropriate range.
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TimeStamps:
0:00:00 - Overview
0:00:45 - Lorcana Is Here To Stay
0:03:35 - How To Play
0:11:00 - Thoughts So Far
0:16:00 - Summary
5.0 - My absolutely favorite games. You can pry them out of my cold dead hands.
4.5 - Love this game! At the same time missing something that would make it a 5. Could be hard to table, lacking variability, a little light, etc.
4.0 - Really great game, almost always keeping, although has meaningful complaints as to what takes away from the experience.
3.5 - Really enjoyed, don't love it, may lose out to better games but the idea of never playing again is a bit sad.
3.0 - A good game, would play and suggest with the right people, if I never played it again wouldn't lose any sleep.
2.5 - A game I'd play again , but will never suggest it myself
2.0 - A game I don't want to play again
1.5 - A game I can't find any reason to recommend
1.0 - A game that is just bad.
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I can really see Disney Lorcana drawing in more people into the board gaming hobby who otherwise have only known games like Monopoly or LIFE growing up.
Been a Yu-Gi-Oh player since 2001. I've played competitively, I've judged tournaments and even organized tournaments. But the complexity and power creep has reach ridiculous levels. I'm eager to start Lorcana for a new experience and something I can quickly teach to kids and adults alike. Basically I'm hoping to recapture how YGO made me feel during its first 10 years. It helps I also love almost all things Disney.
Exactly how I feel! I was young when Yu Gi Oh was popular so I’m excited to start a new TCG while it’s still fresh and on the small side
Luckily Lorcana’s resource system should help with the balance. Yugioh forewent the resource system which kinda forces you to have insane power creep. I grew up with yugioh and loved it, never played competitively though.
I've been staying away from almost all others because of the resource systems. I hate that you have to draw a balance of resources and playable cards- I never do. The resource system in this game being playable cards that you play facedown makes it infinitely more playable
@@braedonmb Pretty much but you do have to be careful not to include too many uninkable cards. Seem common consensus is a max of 20% uninkable cards for stability.
one thing i like about this game over magic in the base design is that they separated how much your summons can progress your lore and how much they attack the opponent's summons for. that should give them more room to design summons that are both at one but not the other, whereas in magic a creature is either good at both killing other creatures and damaging the opponent's life, or neither
I was at Gen Con all 4 days and my brother got in line Thursday morning when it was pretty chaotic, but was able to get the booster packs and starter decks. We demoed the game on Friday and loved it, but heard the line started around 6pm Thursday night for the Friday opening, so we just figured it would be even crazier Saturday morning and didn’t want to wait 16 hours, but we noticed the line wasn’t too bad Friday night. My brother got in line around 5am and I got there around 5:50am. He was 97th in line and I was about 195. We got the player mats, themed sleeves and portfolios this time (on top of the boosters and starter decks).
I’m in the same boat as you - I love it right now, but time will tell. My sister-in-law collects the Disney pins, so I’m sure we’ll be collecting this Disney thing as well for however long they do this, but at least we can play with it. I never bought into any TCGs before, but I like the IP and the demo was fun so I was happy to buy it. I also demoed Star Wars Unlimited and might also buy into that one next year as well haha. So here we go. (Also I wasn’t able to say hi to you or Meg unfortunately, but I did run into Devon.) Love your content and honest opinions as always.
Glad you got your hands on it! And Devon is ok ;)
Devon is literally an angel
If this game doesn't take off competitively, I think this tcg will still be great fun, especially with 3+ players. I hope it doesn't flop, I love the aesthetic and concept behind the game so far.
It's gonna flop.
this is a great idea. a deck so simple, literally... 8-year-olds can play it. simply put, a game children can play with for example, their grandparents.
everyone will have their favorite characters and will want to build decks around them.
Its become incredibly popular
The thing that will get me into the game is if it can garner a player base similar to MTG such that you can always find people to play and shops that have lorcana game nights/tournaments and if it has good competitive support and a good competitive scene.
Asides from Lorcana 'Legions Realms at War' was also At Gencon (with a double booth) even though they already finished their 4th set (kickstarter) and proved themselves selling out in all stores in the states and ran multiple tournaments
As someone who has never played a Trading Card Game or a game with deck-drafting mechanics, I was completely lost during this video. I found this video specifically because I had heard the hype around Disney Lorcana, but I think I need an even more basic explanation of how to play such a game.
I'm probably going to get it, not so much as a collector, but to see if my (younger) kids will get into TCG, and using the IP of characters they already know and love will help them with that.
Similar to yourself I got into TCGs way back with Magic the Gathering (Revsied edition levels of early) and I've not really done a card game for many years, but this one gives me early MTG vibes and I'm invested.
Interested. TCG’s are damned expensive to keep up with though.
My wife may like to try this one, I shall pick up a starter deck and decide if it’s one I want to run with.
I do however love the art.
Agreed on all counts.
It's a cute game, I think I'd play it with people who don't really like complex games. But the lack of interrupts and instants really limit replayability to me. It feels like checkers.
I have a question regarding the storage deck boxes. What are they made of, is it plastic or cardboard?
I want to be a fan but we'll see what happens with pricing. Local game stores are charging $40-50 CAD for starter event and have seen boxes of boosters selling between $250-400 CAD. This is not a game for families at that price. Hopefully, Walmart will force these prices to crash. $11-18 for a pack of cards is ridiculous.
I don't disagree on pricing. It's my biggest reason I might not stick with it
I'm intrigued too to play with my family. Was hoping to pick up the starter decks at Gen Con, but didn't want to dedicate the time or stress 🤣. Looking forward to the general release coming up
As someone who played magic and overpower in the 90's I get it. If my kids are interested I'll be happy to take it up casually a few years ago I pulled out my old cards to try and get them into it and they weren't interested (both magic and overpower) so I get it but l got back into magic with arena and I go by the mostly free to play route and leave the paper to people with much more free time.
Thank you for your review. I am a noob and newbie on the TCG genre of play. Is this a game that is easy to get my head around, or do I need to wait and pass on this.
I really like the Disney style cards and would like to know if it will be worth my investments. Or do I need to start with another TCG or even let it remain 1 genre of tabletop games that I wont learn how to play?
I think it's very accessible
Did you get to try the Star Wars unlimited TCG that was also at Gen Con. If so do you know how it compares to Lorcana?
Please review the playmat, deck boxes etc! Thanks. Are deck boxes plastic?
I'm intrigued by the charming theme, yet don't know if it might feel not as special enough from a gameplay perspective. Maybe I'll try it :)
So glad to see a successful Disney TCG!
Ooooh, nice catch Alex...smoooooth @7:37
Lol thanks
PS- I use to play MtG and enjoy the game, but have switched over to board games since I can play those at home with neighbor friends and still be present with the Mrs. and my kids. MTG requires you to be away from home for hours and hours to play at FNM or casual meetups. For this time in my life, board games have proven more convenient (and have given me some amazing experiences). I am unsure if I will ever go back to MtG since my board game group is growing older as I do and sharing the same life experiences, while the age gap between me and typical mtg players in FLGS is increasing.
I thought it was super fun plus you can craft your deck for strategy. I love it I want all the cards give me more stater decks please. All I want to do is play it more right now and play all the characters. It will do well the art is great. You like it Alex😀
I think this game will sell well because people love Disney.
Though might not be big competitively for a year or two because it'll be percieved as "Kiddy" until it becomes more mechanically involved.
My FLGS wasn’t able to get enough for pre-orders. All pre-orders were cancelled and allocated to release events only.
Does look appealing. Don't Think it will beat the ONE Piece TCG for me though. Game is just so fun. My absolute favorite tcg atm. Always comes down to the wire and intense, with tons of variability thanks to how the avenues you have in choices from resources, countering and everything... This though will fill a more casual and accessible tcg space for me at least.
Personally Id rate my favorites being Battle Spirits Saga for hyper competitive/complexity, lorcana for casual/accessibility, and one piece tcg for a perfect mix of the two. Has the competitive tense ness to a decent degree, but its not overly complex overall and keeps a healthier amount of accessibility.
Magic is nice and all, but it has its problems and I am not a fan of rotating card pools that outdate my older cards and make them unplayable. I have this issue with pokemon as well, and hope it doesn't apply to lorcana. Yugioh has power creeped into oblivion, so fun, but it has just gotten a bit too out of hand. Had been lucky to play it when it was at a fairly healthy state, and have a large amounts of decks for it. Sad about it.
Glad we have some of these newer games giving us some freshness to the hobby.
Solid review. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed!
Are the deck boxes good quality?
Yes!
It has to be two inks exactly or could you run mono or trio?
I assume you can do mono but you can't do trio
This will be good for the fam to play. Going in.
I am into TCGs, but Lorcana doesn't do anything particularly new or exciting…except have a Disney license, which I'm middling on. I'll probably still pick up some because I like TCGs, and the Disney brand means I might be able to play it with a few people who wouldn't enjoy Magic or Keyforge, for example. But it'll also depend on how available the product is-it looks like set 1 might be hard to get our hands on, and I probably won't buy any set 2 if I can't get set 1 first.
Totally fair, that's a problem they will have to stay on top of.
I'm very surprised by how far a TCG can go by just copying Duel Masters with no twist (except the stats and damage I guess). It's a great entry point because Duel Masters is a great game, but I think that anyone "in the know" needs games to have more of an identity. Then again, a lot of TCG players I know still want to at least dabble in it because it's Disney, so what do I know.
It feels a lot like MTG, although I haven't played MTG in over 10 years. But the basics seem to be very similar. Ready(Untap) your cards and resources(Ink Wells), draw a card, Put a card down as a resource, play something but exerting(Tapping) your Ink Wells, attack(Challenge) or send a card on a quest to gain points(Lore). First to 20 wins. 60 Card limit Decks.
Agreed, the flow looked VERY familiar as an ex-MTG player. I'm rather disappointed that they added the Flying power from MtG (can only be attacked by other Flyers) but instead of actually using the term Flying, they used "Evasive." Like, what about being evasive means you're better at catching someone else evasive? Aladdin was evasive and the guards weren't but they still could chase him down and wear him out.
How old are your kids? What would you say is the minimum age to start with Lorcana?
Did I hear that right?? New sets every few months? Please tell me that a misstatement. This will for sure be an out for me if they plan on releasing new sets faster than 1 a year. That was rough enough as it was to trade and collect the set within the year before the next one came out.
Four a year. Sorry :(
Yeah. :( I feel like I can do 2/yr and enjoy it. 3/yr I can keep up with but it's a bit stressful. 4/yr (I'm looking at you, Netrunner) I can barely playtest my decks before a new set is out ruining the meta again.
I agree with everything that was said. Played MTG in late 90's, stopped, picked it up for a few months about 10 years ago...now that my oldest is 11...I'm going all in...for now.
Thanks for your thoughts on Lorcana. I have not been excited about it because I like Disney but I’m a very casual fan so the IP didn’t excite me. I already play magic casually with friends and don’t really feel the need to get into another TCG but a FLGS invited me to a launch event when I was visiting the other day and I’m going to go check it out. I’m excited about going to store events for something that was just released compared to playing magic or another TCG with very serious players who have been playing for years.
Are there extremely rare cards like MTG One Ring card?
I'm so damn excited for this. My FLGS is getting some product and running events, I can't wait!!
If I buy a box of lorcana should I open them or keep them sealed
If you're asking that question, you should open them and sell the rarer-than-rares, then play with the rest.
@@ryuteki they were released in France not yet for usa until sep1
is this even a product that i'll be able to walk into a my local MTG store in Toronto and just grab off the shelf? Seems like it's going to be sold out everywhere for the foreseeable future.
This first run is going to completely sell out...starting with the next set I'm expecting more availability.
I like this game. It has Key forge's gameplay (tapping creatures to get closer to win condition/ attacking creatures with other creatures) and WoW TCG's mechanic of turning cards in hand into resources. The one thing they'll need to add in upcomming sets is different ways to win the game, besides lore. (mill, alternate victory condition)
Tapping to get 20 "lore" to win is exactly the same as tapping to deal 20 "damage" to win.
@@abesapien9930 Not exactly. When you tap to attack in MTG your opponent can still prevent the damage by blocking with creatures. Unless you're playing a bunch of Prodigal Sorcerers. In Keyforge if you reap with a creature to get aember you get that aember, almost nothing your opponent can do against that. And besides: magic uses the same thing (damage) to advance the win condition and deal with creatures while Keyforge and Lorcana use different ones: You can ahve a creature that's good at challenging but not at questing, while in MTG a strong creature will beat up creatures and players.
Lorcana Star Wars and Marvel? It's going to get more interesting as time goes on.
No, Star Wars is getting a separate new* TCG called Unlimited.
*) There have already been three previous Star Wars TCG releases, plus a "dice and cards" collectible game.
@@TorIverWilhelmsen Thanks for the information. I dont know why, but I thought they would put it all under one successful brand if this took off. But it does make some sense to keep things separated.
With the ludicrous cost of those Gencon promos, hopefully, this doesn't skyrocket the singles market of the regular set to that degree. With how hard people seem to get even starter decks, it's not looking too great.
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In comparison I found the upcoming Star Wars Unlimited TCG a better entry-level TCG and it comes with better/more thematic game mechanics. Lorcana has the graphic design (which looks great, even if almost too clean) and especially the artwork going for it. I will probably go with Star Wars Unlimited.
Same, SWU looks more interesting and with original ideas. Lorcana is just a Magic clone, and at least from this first set, not a good one. The artwork looks great, hope they use it in other games.
100% too clean, it felt a bit like I was looking at mock-ups when I finally was able to find cards I could see on GenCon Saturday.
Zombicide TCG next?
😮😮😮 SLEEVE YOUR CARDS!!!!!!!!!!
That's like WRAP YOUR CHINA IN BUBBLE WRAP! Play and ejnoy instead.
Lorcana really does a lot of smart things like stabilizing mana curve, matching theme with card abilities, and avoiding rules bloat (for now). If they keep the rule set simple while also keeping interesting choice- such as what and when to ink- it's going to have lasting and wide spread appeal.
And more importantly...print money ;-)
Simple rules might make the game easy to learn and play with your kids but this game is far too simple with no interaction between players to be long-lasting. I have 15 different dead CCGs in my basement who all tried to appeal to different crowds of people and it's the companies who produced them that gave up on them after sales dropped after six months. The hype is there now but will players still be after it when there are no new cards for a while and competitive players wreck the game by min-maxing and figuring out how to win. There needs to be a competitive scene with company support and this is all on Ravensburger to do and not Disney. The only reason that Yu-gi-oh, Pokemon, and Magic the Gathering have lasted this long is that the company producing the cards knows what it takes to keep fans buying their products every three or four months. The looming lawsuit over who owns the game will also surely cause it to die a quick death.
@@ricotruant86 Mmmmm, simple rules can definitely be an issue. I was very keen on the Mage Noir LCG which looked to be an interesting spin on MTG but after playing it I found that they'd removed so many things that the game ended up being not fun.
Turns out creature combat, along with lots of opportunity for cross-colour combos, adds a lot of depth to MTG, who would have guessed XD
@@ricotruant86 I really never quite understand the overwhelming urge people have to call a game dead before it even releases. Wanting games to fail and be bad continues to be my favorite hot take.
@@Aethernyl Given how many TCGs are born and die quickly, I don't think it's that hard to understand why people make predictions...
Git my Lorcana at Gen Con and loving it🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
The how to play could use work.. I honestly felt very confused lol.
Agreed, the IP has given it a major boost, even if the plan had purely been trading cards without a game attached, could have seen similar hype.
Like yourself I’ve played MtG and everything in between, and now prefer games like Marvel Snap, that aren’t bogged down by complexity. Will be interesting to see if Lorcana finds its feet
I got hooked on marvel snap for a few months, but at the end of the day I'd rather play hearthstone
Cool it seem a mix between mtg and pokemon!
Ty for this video!!
Actually feels more like Hearthstone/Magic/Keyforge mixed together with a Disney theme
@@prototypep4 probably true, I never played keyforge and realy little hartstone and about hartstone the ting I rambert the most is the fact that the game "know" it wasn't a fisical game and did everything it culd that a fisical thing wuld struggle to implement
wow, did you actually line up for Lorcana at Gen Con?...maybe you got the insider pack for UA-camrs
We interviewed the designer.
@@BoardGameCoWhen you interviewed the designer did you bring up the massive lawsuit by Upper Deck and how he just copy pasted a design that he was building for them to a new company (Ravensburg) and just added the Disney theme? That lawsuit has the potential to kill this game once it goes to court and should be investigated by anyone in the review space before you sell your audience on this game.
@@Torengaryup, then Hasbro and WotC will gobble up all games after 2000 like Mrs PacMan after that happens. Goodbye TTRPGs, card and Board games.
Unless they get it on designer actually accessing UD files while not working there, ain't gonna happen.
UD just wants Ravensburger to pay them to f off
@@Trogdor_Strongbraidyou have no clue with a comment like that about the lawsuit. Ryan Miller the designer of Lorcana was contracted and paid by Upper Deck to design a new CCG for them. He did that but Upper Deck was taking too long to release it so he took that exact design to Ravenburger and they just slapped a Disney theme on it and it became Lorcana. Upper Deck has all of the files and owns the game design and that’s why they are suing. It shouldn’t matter if it’s just a bunch of mechanics but how they are all put together to form a unique game. If that’s the case someone could exact copy Ruins or Arnak or Earth or any other board or card game and just change the theme of the game and boom have a cheap instant hit. Lorcana is not a unique game design but is just a stolen rethemed copy of the game the UD owns not Ryan Miller.
@@Torengar I read the lawsuit and saw nothing but slight changes but that's literally dozens of games. The numbers were changed. Like, if he did it through company emails etc sure but otherwise it doesn't really matter, I mean UD feels it's worth it I guess. UD also couldn't put that game out how many years after that person left? Guess they didn't want to? Or weren't serious? Or knew this would happen so just held off to get cash from a settlement?
RB can just explain the whole thing including past stuff to legal representation, and they hopefully would see the mechanics doesn't matter. But yes depends on how the person went about swapping jobs.
What does Lorcana mean? Is it a disney charcater name?
I actually have no idea.
Don't think it means something, just a cool name (lore + arcana, I guess).
I played MTG forever and sold my cards several years ago. It was just getting way too much to handle. I am also looking at this game to get back into while I can start from the beginning unlike with MTG.
lmao
Man if only this was an LCG. I might've given it a try. Another TCG is out for me
I'd love it if it were
Well. Tecnicaly Lorcana can't be an LCG since that's a Fantasy Flight Games trademark. But it could still be a game using that economic model ig. It would give it some nice upsides but would have some downsides as well
@@Liliana_the_ghost_catI think ECG (expandable card game) is the non-trademarked term for that type of game. I greatly prefer that approach too, but they almost never become popular enough to have a strong community of players
@vivian_the_werewolf I think at this point when people say LCG, they really just mean a TCG that's not based on rarity. That's how I use it, at least.
@@jeremoople I guess
I spent enough money on Marvel United, coming next year :)
I bought all starter decks and a booster display. Im sure than myself and my son will love and play it a lot. I wont dive into optimizing decks and deckbuilding as long as he doesn’t to keep it fair. So i might end up collecting the booster cards and just play with the starter decks. Will probably get some playmats, maybe even sleeves for it. :)
For the sake of my heart, pls sleeve xD
Lol I will...eventually
Serious question. How do you feel Lorcana solves the conversation around TCG's and gambling? I know nothing about how the product is sold. It has been a conversation for years in MTG. Is buying packs with unknown contents considered gambling? With a product like Disney the market majority target is kids. Is pulling the slot machine handle hoping to get that rare card a good thing? Certain countries have laws regarding gambling and kids. Does Lorcana solve the issue with defined content packs (You will get micky mouse card X if you buy this pack)? And what are your thoughts on TCG's, the randomness of packs, and how that might impact the target audience of kids with Lorcana?
I've played magic for 30 years and still build cat decks.
Lol nice :)
Nice game, but I am already in Magic Arena, and that is enough for me.
Hype train! Wooo woooo!
I waiting for the Teletubbies TCG.
I don't think it would do as well.
Looks fun but i would not invest that much money or playing it in a long term. Cost too much to invest, $300 - $1000!!. I just checked TCGplayer and alot of cards prices are over the roof for just a single card!!! NOPE! I could use my hard earn money for something that is useful. **Just my thoughts**
" Its a trap !!! " 😊
Lol yes
you still playing?
Outside of casual play here and there not really
@@BoardGameCo what made you give up? Would be cool to see an update video maybe?
@@aaronsmith6092 I've talked about it in other videos...the high prices initially made me not interested in jumping in right away and by the time they settled I let the initial hesitation scare me away from a TCG
I can only recommend to anyone to stay away from TCGs/CCGs.
With the exception of Legends of Runeterra, that game is too f2p for its own good.
I've watched one booster box opening and for your daughter to pull a Legendary holo is legendary, very nice.
Stats (just rarity level):
R = 31; SR = 13; L = 4
Stat (just holo cards):
C = 14; UC = 6; R = 3; SR = 1
Really don't see anything new here.. so.. ya its a pass for me ... don't feel like Dis ey needs more of my money. But good video. ty.
Honestly I'm hugely impressed by the design, Magic is absolutely bloated and they've done a few small things to clean it up and set up a good backbone. Remove colour mana with multiuse cards, simplified combat, replace life with Lore (and hence also fix multiplayer) and get rid of mid turn counters/interrupts which adds texture but is just not nessasary...it all promotes faster more streamline play whilst giving the same core (but different) choice and making it assessible for a much wider audience. I'd say it feels about 25% as complex as magic, plays 50% quicker and retains 80% of that "crunchiness" (im talking about the system, more complicated cards will come) so a great tradeoff.
I guess as someone that generally isn't a huge fan of Disney I don't really understand why a lot of people that poo-poo CCGs/TCGs are in love with this game but...I guess that's just irrational human brains for you XD
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"Oh hey, come check out these cool new Pokemon I opened up!"
XD
Because it has generational appeal. I think that makes a big difference.
@@BoardGameCo Hmmmm, we'll see how long that lasts once they discover how horrifically expensive feeding that appeal can be ;-)
great, just what we need - more disney 🙄
hope they turn it into preset decks and just drop the cashgrab mentality, for the sake of all those who stood in queue at gencon.
Disney is popular for a reason
Eh. If it wasn't disney I'd be more interested. I'm just getting into a TCG that came out in 1995 and still going strong called Redemption by Cactus Games.
I've been playing and buying games since the mid 90's, including CCGs , TCGs, and LCGs and I've never even heard of it. Going strong huh? 😂
@kevinsayers5985 it's a card game all about the bible
@@bluevsred415 sounds dreadful
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TCGs could be appealing to some Disney fans. Disney isn't very appealing to most TCG players I know.
Interesting, but I wish it wasn't a TCG and just had a limited set of decks/cards. TCG's are just a scam, you have to keep buying to hopefully get something good. What a waste of money.
Totally respect not wanting a TCG, I feel the same.
The game looks cool, but it being a TCG is a NOPE for me
I totally respect that, I generally feel the same way
I wish I could’ve been an LCG but I get that they aren’t as profitable
We love Dominion. Buy the box and everyone starts on a level playing field. CCGs are mostly pay to win.
Magic used to be too addictive for me due to the collectability, but I’d like to think I’ve grown as a person enough to not lose my mind at this point! Looking forward to playing casually with my two girls, and recapturing the “magic” but without the junky froth. 😅
I definitely prefer LCGs. However, I won't let a game being a TCG stop me from playing it. It just takes a bit of self-control. What I tend to do with TCGs is just stick to pre-made decks, which are usually fun enough
It's cool and all but I'ma stick with digimon. Too poor for a second game and it's honestly overprised as of now. Good luck to those who do partake. Hope it is fun for y'all.
Bro, please use sleeves :(
Lol I likely will :)
So upper deck is suing ravensburger for a designer taking a game developed upper deck to ravensburger and that game is basically MTG. Wow.
Some shared mechanisms but those have become established as part of the genre.
@@TorIverWilhelmsen Lorcana is an exact copy of the game that the designer was hired by Upper Deck to create. Look at all of the proof from the lawsuit. This game won't last very long and will be sold at Liquidation stores next year for under $5 a box.
@@TorIverWilhelmsen I haven’t played MTG since like 1998, but from what I remember this sounds like a clone with new terms and some subtle changes like playing cads for ink instead of land. It just seems silly to me to have a legal battle over mechanisms on a game that the originality of the game is it’s art and theme not it’s mechanisms.
@@dennisdonetti1675 Not having lands is a big change, not whittling away the opponent's life is a big change, and the legal battle is not with Wizards of the Coast so... why bring it up? The patent has expired years ago.
@@TorIverWilhelmsen I’m not implying it should be with wizards. I’m just saying that it seems silly that they are defending an idea in court that is basically another idea. I think it is parody enough that MTG would be legally a different game but I do question whether the game mechanisms are truly a novel idea. I also think whether you call life lore or count up or down is not a big difference.
MTG is fantastic. This has no chance to be as good.
MTG basically mothballed the entire board and RPG industry for years as it absorbed the fanatic interest of fans and their pocket books. Thankfully after what seemed like an episode of Once; the spell wore off and we could begin to see the industry re-emerge through Catan, Carcassonne, Ticket to Ride, etc. Now here we are at the pricipice once again and the Gen Con lines don't look like a good early sign that the lemmings will come to their senses and prevent themselves from pouring every last dime into collecting foiled enchanted cards to fuel their chances of winning or their completionist personality. Legalized gamling in disguise....
no way would i get into a TCG. the concept is very predatory. ripping packs in hopes of something good isnt my thing. LCGs are already excessive and would happily take your money, at least then you'd know what you're getting. id rather have 4 LCGs with those high costs than 1 TCG and still not have everything
Do you not know about tcgplayer and card kingdom? There is no need to ever buy packs and hasnt for a long time now
@redhineymonkeey5371 not really making a compelling case. I don't want to spend a 20 on a single either
@@Mike_James same thing with lcg's . If theres only 1 or 2 cards i want out of a set then i gotta cough up the $20 - 30 for the set. Or buy it as a single.
It's an entry level TCG aimed at kids. The gameplay is nothing special. The Disney IP is huge (despite all the damage they've done to themselves the last several years), collectability is very high with plenty of chase cards, and it's the first set (just like Magic and Pokemon first sets, right?) so the demand is huge. I expect the popularity to wane after a few years while the big 3 continue.
As a board gamer and former TCGer (Magic, L5R among others), the gameplay isn't enough to hook me. I'd rather use my money I would have spent (2 boxes per release) on large Kickstarters, an LCG or two, and board games that I know will hit the table. Also, I'll continue to play Keyforge, which I love and which scratches the TCG itch perfectly.
I am so, so glad CCGs do not interest me. I spend enough $ on my hobby as it is anyway. 😆
I was there at Gencon (I didn't see you but I also wasn't really looking for you) and I saw that line, and I feel like this is a colossal joke. Disney+TCG== the end of TCG's. They kill everything they touch now. I've no interest in this, no interest in watching content about this, and if your regular content switches over to Lorcana stuff, I'll wish you well, unsubscribe, and go elsewhere. I'm not very interested in TCG content in the first place, but particularly disinterested in anything Disney related.
So good luck. I'll check out what comes out from you over the next week or two and decide from there.
^If you don't do Disney Lorcana content, I'll unsub. >:(
Alex, now you can make a decision knowing it makes no difference on your finances.
Mid game
Call me cynical but all I see here is corporate money grab and personal money pit.
You're cynical :)
@@BoardGameCo I cynically stand behind it :)
While I do want to see new players joing the hobby, I also don't want anyone associating themselves with Disney
I think sometimes the hate for certain entities can grow so large that the hate ends up being more divisive then the entity themselves. Disney produces a lot of things that bring people together. It's ok to dislike them and/or their policies, but we should also recognize the impact they have in other areas and sometimes planting a flag against them...might not be worth the cost.
I found the gameplay mediocre at best. The resource system is nothing ground breaking, everyone has been improving on MTG mana system for decades, and many games do much better than Lorcana. The deck construction is abitrary and it's not thought-provoking. The card design is thematic, I'll give them that, but the effects are just so mundane and boring. In term of gameplay, there is nothing fresh that this game offer, and there are a bazillion better card games (cheaper too). I know that the first set of a TCG don't usually contain complex designs, but just from the core gameplay, I could tell that this will not be a game people play for long, unless there are breakthroughs in the design moving forward.
And I was excited about Lorcana too. If it could just be a simpler, streamlined MTG it would be good enough; but what Lorcana is right now is less than that. I guess i'm just not the target audience for this as I want something a lot more nuanced
It's literally aimed at kids. It has to be streamlined. Go back and play original YuGiOh without XYZ pendulum etc especially legend of blue eyes right up to Chaos and GOAT. Tell me it's the same as modern. Feels completely different and not something your average 8 year old can pick up and play. You want Nuance? Yeah Disney is not going to be for you.
@@prototypep4 It's not aimed at kids though, literally thousand of adults lined up to buy it and cards are going for thousand of dollars now. Unlike Flesh and Blood, where a high price tag comes with a great game, gamers are paying premium for mediocrity, for mechanics that have been done for too many times. Take a look at any big new TCGs: digimon, flesh and blood, grand archive, sorcery, etc... they all offer fresher, better gameplay than Lorcana
@@DuelingMaru you're missing the point so hard. It's fucking DISNEY. Collectors are going apeshit over it because they have always done that. The IP alone throws up the value. Look at beanie babies in the 80's/90's. Aimed at kids, collected by adults and sold for stupid prices. You are fundamentally missing what these mean to multiple people because you are only looking for what YOU want. You want a complex thinky competitive ccg. This ain't it nor was it ever going to be it. It is something that adults who understand the value of all things Disney will want. Nostalgia hunters will want, kids will want. The game was made simple so even more kids will beg parents to buy it. It is a money printer, nothing more.
@@DuelingMaru But those adults aren't paying for the game proper; it's about the Disney obsessed adults. Not just adults who like Disney stuff, but people who buy all the things Disney. And Disney very certainly knows those people exist.
Lorcana will be dead in 6 months, sadly. Nonody cares about DD or Goofy. It is a nope.
It probably won't be dead but it will likely be a shell of the former hype.
Imo, the name is aweful 😅
Imo, your spelling is awful.
is it just me or did he become a little meh after he got the job and cannot say any bad things about games you can back :(
I love Disney and gameplay is really fun once it clicks so im definetly gonna get the first set!