Shaq & Kenny Debate if Steph Curry is in the GOAT Conversation | Inside the NBA
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- Shaq asks Kenny Smith if it is time to put Warriors star Steph Curry in the GOAT conversation and admits Steph is better than him.
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Rip Mr bean, Shaq will never let his lil bros legacy be disrespected.
Not even like DT...I hear n respect you...buh honestly in my opion MJ KOBE Steph And LeBron in DT order....well I ddnt watch Kareem...I was still very young
At the same time Shaq has said in the past few years that Penny Hardaway was better or as great in interviews. Shaq flips his opinion a lot. Shaq has also put Penny over Kyrie which I agree seeing both play but he's also said Penny was Kobe, Wade and Lebron all rolled into one which I can't argue that too. Outside of injuries prior to that Penny was that guy but he was for just 4 seasons. Shaq's tone has changed a bit with Kobe since his death which is understandable but take that out and he's changed his opinion a few times. But then again life is evolving everyday and we aren't who we were or thought we were years prior so I can't disagree. I'm more impressed Shaq finally let his ego slide to defend a modern player.
@@rorisangtsoeu253trash list lmao. 😂
If u truly a player n watcher of the game then u know Kobe top 3, n gets disrespected by the media
just because he doesn’t think he’s the greatest of all time doesn’t mean he’s disrespecting Kobe lol, Kobe stans are so overdramatic
Love that shaq doesn't let the kobe disrespect slide
its not disrespect tho. kennys list makes a lot of sense. kobes problem is that he was so similar to mj. but if you have to choose between them you most likely will end up choosing mj over kobe, so kobe has a proboem with his goat case since he isnt distinct enough from mj but just a slight worse. lebron has an easier case because he is so different from mj and also has the accolades. same for kareem. some ppl will include russel (and maybe wilt) but most ppl will disagree due to era i think. and also wilt had the stats but didnt win enough while for russel its the opposite. nobody is disresprecting kobe, for many ppl he is a top 5 player, at least top 10 fpr pretty much everyone. to say hes not the goat is no disrespect.
@@Florian-yk8vg regardless of playing style though, mj kobe lebron and steph consecutively defined nba basketball for their respective decades. You can only judge players before the 90s with respect to their contemporaries. Coz as pure skill they don't even compare to modern basketball. Also kobes career and skill gets downplayed so hard coz he didnt play along with the media machine.
@@Florian-yk8vgmight be the dumbest shot I read hear lmao 😂 I wear ya gotta stop watching basketball
@@ektornikolaou1132 That's another good point raised over and over, how much impact each of these players had in the game?! No one can deny how much impact Curry has had in his career, so indeed he should be included with the greats before him IMHO.
@@Florian-yk8vgI agree with the general sentiment: I appreciate Shaq standing up to the Kobe disrespect when he isn't here and there has been a lot in the media, leaving him off top 10 lists and out of the GOAT convo.
But to your point as I understand it, yeah, Kenny left a lot of ppl of his list and I can see where he is coming from.
Shaq putting Steph ahead of him- shows how much he appreciates and admires Steph.
Steph is also in the conversation for the best showman in sports. Everytime you tune in to watch - are you not entertained ?
Whether anyone puts Steph in whatever category…as long as he’s playing - people will tune in and watch. This is greatness - enjoy it while it lasts
He scored 7 two nights ago
@@thehumannugakareemsupreme9484and the last time he missed a 3 pointer was in 2018 what’s your point?
@@legendary4570 making up a statistic doesn’t make you more right lol
@@connorleary3080 it’s not a made up statistic and no it doesn’t but trying to diminish a players impact likes Steph’s because of an off night doesn’t make him any less great.
@@thehumannugakareemsupreme9484 Steph has a game like that once in a blue moon. He's undersized and all his match ups are always against players bigger than him, yet he can still affect the game in many ways. Blazers literally designed their defensive scheme around Steph that night. And guess what? Warriors still WON. I would put him in the GOAT convo but not at the top. Having the title "Best shooter of all time" is better imo since that title is UNDISPUTED. Unlike the GOAT convo between MJ and LBJ.
Steph actually changed how basketball has been played in the last 15 years. He’s the GOAT shooter and has had the most influence in how teams are formulated now.
Exactly!! I agree with you 1,000%
That’s a very very bold statement because the game was progressing anyways and it was bound to happen with curry or not. He was just in the right at the right timw
i mean technically the heat were the ones who started the whole small ball perimeter shi
@@brski3962After steph 16 season, just like that, every other nba teams started taking 10x more 3's
@@ax9275 his 16th!!!? I’m sure it took that long😂 he definitely helped the wave of the “deep”three ball but teams would’ve realized sooner or later that it’s easier to win by scoring consistent 3’s than mid 2’s
Shaq ain't trying to hear the disrespectful for Kobe, and I appreciate that!
Agree with kenny, Curry the best shooter ever, God of shooting, can impact the game by just running on screens whatever you want to call him but saying he's the GOAT is a stretch.
*hear not “here”
Who cares, Kobe aint in there
Well according to this comment thread...a lot more people care than your one individual hatin ass so...I'll let that speak for itself.@@thehumannugakareemsupreme9484
@@thehumannugakareemsupreme9484 🥱🥱🥱🥱
He should be in the conversation for sure. 4x champion, 2x MVP, greatest shooter ever, top 2 PG all-time, greatest regular season team record ever & he changed the way people play basketball for better or worse...he's easily top 10 all-time. It's just preference after that
Id take steph over magic as a player but pure pg its magic
@@BrentWhitsonsFather totally agree
@@ITakeMajorLscurry is more so top twelve but he’s not top three. He is excellent though obviously
1 finals mvp....no way he is in the goat conversation
@@georgestamatakis697 imo the Iggy finals MVP was a joke.
Love the humbleness from Shaq. He didn’t mention himself in that conversation but he should.
As big as a warriors fan myself, can’t believe Shaq would pick Steph over himself. Shaq was probably the most dominant force we have ever seen( if people want to debate him with Wilt).
Shaq was destined to become the goat if he wanted it. At the time other things were his priority but it’s all what could have been. I dnt think we’ll ever see another force like shaq.
If this was boxing where there are weight classes, this wouldn't even be debated. Steph is just so much more skilled than everyone else, particularly when compared to bigs like Shaq, or guys like KD who are 7 feet and can shoot over everyone.
Shaq is just being humble. No way Shaq would pick Steph curry over himself if Shaq really means it.
@@davidlui9942 or maybe Shaq meant what he said, and don’t need ppl like you putting words into his mouth. He hasn’t made the same case for other current players
It’s cause he knows the difference between him and curry is that curry inspired a whole generation and changed the game forever and has the stats and rings to back it up
Outside of guys like Kobe, I do feel like Steph is one the more disrespected and underappreciated legends in our game. So I appreciate Shaq who is a legend himself for acknowledging it. Give these guys their flowers while they're alive to smell them.
Kobe, Jordan and Steph are all disrespected when people bring leflop into this covo.
@@DarkWolf-407only LBJ fans disrespect those players, or anybody that else that’s a threat to their “glorious king” weird ass mfs.
Disrespect and underappreciated, Bro you ok? Literally Curry is the most loved player in our current era, Lebron is one of the most hated player like ever.
Kobe disrespected?
I rarely watch nba. But no matter the score, or the team's record, it's clear he is THE problem that the other team has to deal with. He's so clearly skilled in all aspects of the game.
Steph Curry's unique status:
--GOAT Shooter (only objective fact in NBA/No debate at all)
-Changed the game
-Most influential player beside Kobe and Mike
-Only Unanimous MVP
-73-9 team
1st winner of the kobe bryant all star mvp award
- 4 rings in the so-called lebron era, 3 on lebron's head. Lmao
I fully agree but does putting Curry in ANY other team will work the same? Im not sure. You can put Shaq, Jordan, Tim, Magic etc on ANY team and they will make it better.... I dont see Steph'e game work in LA, Nuggets, Heat and so on.
Lol how is Kobe most or 2nd most influential?
And actually LeBron was the first unanimous MVP 3 years prior in 2013 but one salty Celtics reporter didn’t vote for him to taint/keep LeBron from being first unanimous by 1 vote
Shaq almost was, too
@@gagandhaliwal9391lol you mean infamous asterisk and cheap ‘rings’.. he finally has 1 legitimate one and it’s his last one, except even then, he yet once again played a team who’s star player was injured .. just like every other time, even with KD almost every time
Its funny that Kenny said he had great teams as if none of the other guys had great teams 🤷♂️🤦♂️
😂😂😂😂 right
Agree with kenny, Curry the best shooter ever, God of shooting, can impact the game by just running on screens whatever you want to call him but saying he's the GOAT is a stretch.
Shaq drinking that Kool Aid again , teams single him out on defense....how does that equate to being the best ever , Shaq in your own words "STOP IT"!!!!!!
@@ND-OPSHe said he is in the conversation, people in the top 10, have people who think there the goat at ball, like Hakeem, Shaq, etc. it’s bound to happen. Curry game is like no other, and I think when it’s all said and done he will finish top 5.
@@ND-OPSGOAT of his era at least. No one has changed the game like him in his era. No one has the wins he has with the same team. He is always facing challenges and overcoming them, and media is almost never on his side. LeBronze has had everything given to him.
it’s time.. a 6’2 guard changed the blueprint of the game, almost 30 years old and I’ve never seen a player like this before the influence and the accolades is there none else to talk about fr 🤷🏽♂️
Agree with kenny, Curry the best shooter ever, God of shooting, can impact the game by just running on screens whatever you want to call him but saying he's the GOAT is a stretch.
@@ND-OPSif he get more than 6 rings yes
@@ND-OPS he’s not the best shooter ever he’s the best 3 point shooter ever there’s a difference michael jordan was a better overall shooter than steph curry
@@MORNINGSTAR190 even if he got more than six rings him having only one finals mvp out of his 4 rings puts him out of the conversation
Wx that's such a ignorant thing to say Steph curry is the best shooter of all time. Steph curry changed how the teams are shaped we have big men shooting 35 ft threes. He is era defining
After this year's Olympics, nobody can deny Curry's GOAT argument anymore
LeBron the real Goat won the Olympics Mvp
Stop. He needed KD for 2 of his 4 rings. And he's not even the greatest shooter ever
@@Celothxu he won a ring before and after KD, KD didn't win anything after Curry, enough said. And who's the greatest shooter then?
@@oBarbinha he won a ring before KD and without Kyrie and love. You really want to count that? After 2016?? Not only do they lose, but they run and you get KD to fight their battle for them!!! No. You can't be a goat, if you need a player who is NOT in the goat conversation to beat another player who is.
@@oBarbinha as far as greatest shooter, which means JUMPSHOTS all over the floor (no layups, dunks and such) not just the 3, and also who's shots resulted in winning games and chips. That can never be Steph when he shoots 40 something % in the hardest round there is and lost in 16, 19, and almost lost in 15 with Matthew dellavadova being the second best player on the CAVS. No. He's not
He’s earned his spot in the top 10 no doubt
No doubt
Top 10 sounds about right.
Yeah I have him at 10 and Kevin Durant at 9
@@jayeshpatel1666 steph is better then KD lmao. Even when they teamed together that was Curry's team and only Steph has won a ring without KD.
@@Mileena420 KD won the finals MVP both years they were teamed up together. He's just better more finals MVP.
Stteph doesn"t have the size and athleticism of Jordan, Kareem, Kobe and Lebron. Yet he's changed the game. Only very few people can say they've changed the game. We usually put those type of people in the GOAT debate so shut up Kenny.
U shut up dummy, dirk also changed the game, you put him in goat convo?
Kat haha
Steph no defense not the finals mvp and a super team with kid and Klay with him. He is the best shooter and so off all time and off ball movement
He change the game on 1 side of the ball like Kenny said if any of those guys have off scoring games they can effect it in other ways curry doesn’t do that.
Yeah that's what makes me find him so insane is he's the only person in the top 10 conversation that's a normal human height xD he's 6'2" thats a tall normal person LOL. He doesn't jump super high, runs pretty fast but not insanely. Wingspan average. Yet he's doing this none stop. Beyond it all I'd say Curry has an effect on his teammates similar to MJ, moreso than Lebron does. For Lebron it's all about him and being the guy.
Also I feel like they overrate Kareem. Dude was 7'3" in a time where no one was that tall. Free basketball + he literally won 5/6 of his rings with Magic Johnson like why is he so glazed. For me its MJ Lebron Kobe Magic Larry Wilt Top 6
" You're not putting him over Michael " Really fuckin glad Ernie said that, not gonna lie. Nobody will ever be better than Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant, Straight up killers.
@sean8998 That's where you're 1,000% wrong!!!
when you said and KOBE, that's where your argument went off the rails. Lebron is greater than KOBE and has surpassed KOBE for more than 10+ years ago. Kobe was great, but yall have to stop with this narrative that Kobe is better than Lebron, kobe was not even better than SHAQ all time, and if I wanted a player that can lead my franchise i would choose TIM DUNCAN over Kobe to be honest. Kobe is definitely top 10 GOAT, but NOT without a doubt TOP 5
lmao kobe isnt even top 5.
If I’m drafting a team of legends in their prime and I get the #1 pick I think I gotta take Steph.
Steph is better than MJ in:
Shoot
3pts shoot
4pts shoot
FT shoot
Logo shoot
Unorthodox shoot
Half court shoot
Dribbling the ball
Passing the ball
Team chemestry
Coolness
Unselfishness
Breaking records
👋
Shout out to Shaq defending his fallen brother's honor. Won't let anybody play with Kobe's name, no matter what issues they had in the past
Yall Kobe stans need to chill. Kenny wasn't saying Kobe was trash. Just his pool of GOATs is smaller than Shaq's. Yall more oversensitive than MJ stans. Like yall realize Shaq won more Finals MVPs than Kobe right? 😂
Kobe is disrespected everytime lefraud is mentioned. Kobe is better in every way yet he's always put below by media.
@@DarkWolf-407 Shaq is literally saying. I was alright as a player just to give Kobe flowers. Ok so ESPN talks about LeBron. They been talking about LeBron since he was in high school while Kobe won championships. Who cares about the media?
There's not a single player from Shaq's Era that would say I'm just decent but LeBron is one of the greatest. Patrick Beverly a role player was clowning LeBron over winning a ring in the bubble. And he was saying I could easily guard LeBron. Smh 🤦♂️.
@@DarkWolf-407Except for every statistical category 😂
@@Aldwulf stats are easy to get when the nba bends over backwards for him.
The media try to ignore Kobe’s greatest shoutout to Shaq for keeping his legacy alive
Well, he's been in my GOAT conversations for a long time now. There are few players that changed the game in a massive way through its course and Steph is definitely one of them. Not to mention his 2021-2022 performance, which was one for the ages.
So A.I is in the goat convo too
@@NvrBored maybe if he'd won titles. 76ers never won
He didn't change the game
@@theblackbolt5514He 100% did.. But I don’t think that should make him the GOAT
What else can he do other than score? He cant defend.. block shots... switch and call out movement (read the game for teammates)... can't win without 2 other HOF's.. Big O was before his time with Stats.. still not considered for the Goat Convo
Steph has been in the conversation! He has fundamentally changed the game of basketball.
Oh yeah let's just throw leadership and defense out the window
@@BG-bn6qu Serioulsly dude, wth are these people talking about. Someone on the media says anything and people are immediately like, oh yeahhhhhh, and just don't think. Shaq just went with his initial thought here and didn't think it through. Steph is def probably top 5 offensive players of all time. Maybe top 3. But his defense is like top 50-100 maybe.....
He's not "in the conversation". Nobody can seriously argue he's the greatest player of all time.
@@BG-bn6quHis leadership is top notch.
I agree.
I see what Shaq means, at the end it the day Curry has mastered the single most important thing a basketball player can master which is shooting. Shooting to me out weighs any other skill a basketball player can acquire.
All other all timers are amazing at multiple things. Steph's amazing at shooting. He ain't close to being the goat.
@@brettadiah10 Exactly. The greatest shooter ever but 0 defensive all-NBA team selections? How can you be in the goat conversation if you're a top 3 offensive player all time but outside the top 200 or lower in defense?
@@thesoundofsilence77shit 200 is even generous for him lol.
Single most important thing is WINNING. Curry has failed to make the playoffs SIX times. The GREATS seldom fail to make the playoffs.
@@arizjones😂😂He was playing alone at the time
Shaq is right! So many ppl are overlooking Steph's greatest skill besides shooting. Steph may be history's best winner besides MJ. U saw the complete dominance of curry and KD, and see how KDs been playing with all the other MVPs! Curry is the BEST player ever besides MJ to build the most unstoppable team whenever he has at least one superstar playing alongside. Klay, green, Poole, Wiggins don't count as superstars, they only play well with curry. Without curry, they will be nobody's to average. In truth, curry has always WON champs as the ONLY superstar in the team other than KDs era. Like Kyrie Irving played with LeBron 4 years, AD with LeBron, Dame with Giannis, Tatum with brown, Leonard and George, Embiid and harden, KD and Kyrie and harden etc. Steph can pair WITH ANY of those superstars and GUARANTEE a CHAMPION! Ppl keep overlooking Steph. Whenever Steph wins a champ, his teammates suddenly become from scrubs to superstars
Nope Kobe ahead of him 2 finals mvp
Yeah Steph had kd
Lechoke had, AD, Austin reeves, kyrie irving, Kevin love, Chris bosh, Dwade and hell he even had shaq at one point. So many crutches and I didn't even mention them all.
He has 4 rings not 10 and it’s the Warriors system not Steph. Klay is a superstar just because he declined doesn’t take away from his contributions to the 4 Chips The Warriors won. Curry has not won without his Splash brother. Dame and Giannis haven’t played a whole season.
@@Zal8888lol Steph IS the system
Kennys hating ass knows Steph would've bodied him 9 times out of 10
That’s irrelevant
He ain’t better than Hakeem
Lol exactly what I was thinking. Kenny straight up hating. He got 2 rings off of Hakeem what's he talking about
Hakeem is still better. Shaq, Kobe, Magic, bird, Michael, lebron, Duncan, wilt, Kareem. Steph isn’t better than any of those guys except bird.
By to the old heads in with the new!! He’s the GOAT for this time!
Ppl act like they are afraid to say Kobe is in that conversation
It’s because him and MJ are so easy to compare. Like when people compare MJ and Lebron and Kareem, they’re all so different that it’s difficult to say who’s better. But Kobe and MJ are so similar, and we all know MJ edges it, so it makes the goat conversation easier to exclude Kobe.
@@jameswyatt4443 that makes no sense at all. If Kobe so similar then he’s included in that debate. Kobe was a better defender too
@@hammuel188 It makes perfect sense, use your brain. And he was not a better defender. MJ has a DPOY, and they both have 9 All Def first teams. But Kobe played like 8 more seasons.
@@hammuel188 Kobe was NOT a better defender than Jordan. Jordan was 3× NBA steals leader (1988, 1990, 1993) and every year he was steals leader he was also scoring leader.
Kobe is not in that conversation 😂😂😂😂
Shaq owns a couple of his FMVPs... wasnt the best player on his team until he kicked him off
Then he only got 2 more 😂
So disrespectful that Kenny didn't put WILT in the conversation especially after explaining the criteria. Not only did WiILT affect the game in different categories, he was so great & dominant they changed rules to try to nullify his greatness. Let that marinate for a minute.
they also changed the rules because of barkley. doesnt make him the goat tho. they changed the rules quite a couple of times since the game design was too exploitable.
Agree with kenny, Curry the best shooter ever, God of shooting, can impact the game by just running on screens whatever you want to call him but saying he's the GOAT is a stretch.
Wilt is the most underrated player ever. He's so good that folks are forced to ignore his accomplishments and pretend he never existed to get around talking about him
Yes, Stephen Curry is definitely in the goat conversation. Doesn't matter about the defense that he plays. It matters that when this man is on the court he is affecting the outcome of the game point blank period. And there's already a slew of others in the chat conversation who's giving you statistical values to state why this man is in the goat conversation so I won't go into that conundrum.
After all the game is about scoring and when the game's closed getting timely stops. He's done enough that the outcome has been slanted in GS favor since he arrived
Kobe's legacy is second to none, his global icon status is second to none, he's an icon of icon's! He was box office and bigger than life! He is many peoples GOAT and many NBA players GOAT and is definitely in the GOAT convo! Good looking out Shaq!!
If he was better at defense he should be put in that convo... Definitely most magic player in the last 20 years.
When he wins his 5th ring this year he’ll be top4-5 all time
@@joshbonds0073no he won’t
Hmmmm Lebron 😂😂😂
It takes a different man to do what he did on five fouls. And with all due respect, Kenny, shooting is not just any other statistic. Stop describing him as just a shooter and limiting his abilities to just that. He has dominated and NBA consistently through out his career. I agree with Shaq; Steph is in category of greatest players of all time.
If Steph Curry was an elite defender like MJ, Kobe and LeBron (at least LeBron earlier in his career), then I think he would be in the conversation. Right now, he is comfortably in the top 10 ever and is in the conversation for best point guard ever. Best shooter of all time hands down.
He's not in the top 10. He's great maybe 11 or 12 but not on the all time top 10. Not really the best shooter of all time either
He's in the convo, but it's not getting as far. Kobe was in the convo before Lebron.
not in the convo. not even close
Agree with kenny, Curry the best shooter ever, God of shooting, can impact the game by just running on screens whatever you want to call him but saying he's the GOAT is a stretch.
@@sportstalkonly1442he’s in the convo.
@@TheCosmosAwaits no he's not
@@sportstalkonly1442curry better than LeBron 💯💯 curry in the goat convo 💯💯
Steph may not be the best ever, but he changed the game more than anyone.
Lots of players changed the game. You must be young.
@@arizjonesBut non of them changed the game like Steph did
You must be very young. No one changed game like Wilt, Jordan and Magic. Then Steph.
@@imaginatorAIhow did magic change the game?
@@Ghostaredead When Magic came into the league it wasn't popular. The games were not broadcast on TV very much. Magic and Bird saved the league and made it popular. Magic's up tempo style and flashy showtime passing and his personality made people want to watch. He brought revenue into the game so players could get paid more. He and Bird were some of the first to get shoe contracts. It paved the way for Jordan.
Steph is definitely GOAT level. The only reason we weren't having that debate is because of false narratives. Steph is the most underrated superstar of all time and it's not even close.
Wade played with prime Lebron and said Steph is on that level and to put him on Mt. Rushmore. Y'all forget Lebron got wrecked by Kawhi and later the Mavs even when he had his superteam with Wade and Bosh. Also like Stephen A. just noted, Lebron was dominating the East which was largely acknowledged to be the weaker conference for a long period of time.
JimmyHighRoller presented advanced stats showing Steph has the highest added win% of any player in history, #2 is Lebron, #3 is Jordan.
Nick Wright just noted that Steph has the highest playoff series win % in history (85%) next to Bill Russell.
Steph won before and after KD = continuity of winning = Steph is a winner. Period.
What has KD accomplished legacy wise pre and post Steph.
Ty Lue (coach of Lebron) said Steph is the head of the snake and they blitzed him even when KD and Klay were on the floor. When Lebron played against Steph, he already had over 10 years to develop as a player. Steph had only really started developing starting in 2013 because of previous injuries and Monte Ellis was the main guy until leaving in 2012. Steph vs Lebron started in 2014-2015 season.
Steph literally changed the META of basketball. Probably only people who have caused rule changes (e.g. Wilt) and can rival this. This is an objective accomplishment in a different STRATOSPHERE FAR GREATER than any subjective nominations (1st team, mvps, etc). Everyone needs to stop sweeping this under the rug like it's just another little fact.
And much more can be said (e.g. only player to win multiple chips without another top 75 player besides Kobe, etc).
So Steph is definitely GOAT level and will be properly recognized/appreciated when he's gone and people better understand more important metrics/accomplishments.
It's really just Mike and LeBron in that conversation. Kobe is right on their heels, and then you can name maybe 6-8 others that are in the conversation to be in the conversation. Steph is one of them.
Bill Russell, Kareem Adul-Jabaar, Michael Johnson, Tim Duncan etc.
@@JA-Q28 exactly
He’s pound for pound the greatest of all time imo. All other top 10 maybe top 20 players are 6’6 and over and a lot are bigs
The discussion isn't about weight. It is about Great. Can't miss the playoffs six times and be in the discussion. Magic Johnson never missed the playoffs. NEVER. Larry Bird NEVER missed the playoffs. Tim Duncan never missed the playoffs. Sorry, just not in the discussion with Jordan, Magic, Bird, Kobe or even LeBron. He is the greatest shooter, but not the greatest player.
He's not the goat. He's great. But not even top 10
Greatness recognizes Greatness , simple as that.
Curry is the only player in history that can have 0 points in a game and still get triple teamed and double teamed right after half court. Come on that’s crazy. On fast breaks all eyes are on curry. He controls a game just being on the court.
He goes against the grain.
He's also the only one in the "goat" convo that is a defensive liability.
@@gringoboy701 a 6’3 guy in the goat conversation says a lot about him and on top of that he had a season he lead in steals. He has gotten a lot better holding his own throughout the years.
And you won’t win that way. Kobe can’t make the playoffs without other all stars. That’s not goat level.
@@2cents250 😂😂
Steph is for sure in the top 10. Top 5 is where the debate starts, but it has to include MJ, Kobe, Lebron
Crazy how he doesn’t realize that Kobe changes the game on defense just as much as on offense. Look at the amount of all defensive team awards Kobe has compared to lebron
Prime kobe was a beast on D but a lot of those all d teams were undeserved
Kenny saying Steph not the best shooter of all time? What is this guy on? lol
They cut kenny off like 20 times, he was trying to say what separates him from the other dudes is defense. Greatest shooter but the drop off on defense is too much
Not just defense also rebounding and play making.
He’s the only one of his size fool and his defense isn’t bad. Idk where ppl get this notion from
What Steph lacks in defense he makes up for with constant moving and spacing. He's the GOAT imo
the fact we keep forgetting bill russell wit 11 rings is insane
Yeah people are bais and put their own personal agendas in their top 10.
Its not about rings so they leave bill russell out of their top 10
But when it comes to top 5 they always bring up who has the most rings😑
Than you people put shaq and hakeem in their top 5 but still use the chip argument to exclude someone like wilt
More like favorite top 10 than the best top 10 no way is shaq a top 5 player
Kenny almost sounds like he's getting paid to overshadow steph but heighten lebron.. that lil guy named Curry is the best player in the nba because of his consistency.. just like Tom Brady the only way they will respect him is if he gets a couple more rings..
Respect to Shaq himself for standing up for Kobe. Crazy that Shaq had to say it for guys like Jay Will and Stephen A to not refute it. Even Kenny acknowledged Kobe after Shaq checked him lmao.
Putting Kareem over Magic seems crazy to me.
Kareem cheeks. I get Larry over Kareem.
Curry is just as scary of a player as shaq was. That speaks volumes
Not only stats but the fact that a small guard like Curry has changed the game...."in a game that was meant to be dominated by tall people" is even more impressive in my eyes!
Agree with kenny, Curry the best shooter ever, God of shooting, can impact the game by just running on screens whatever you want to call him but saying he's the GOAT is a stretch.
@@ND-OPShe is more so than leflop. Steph has always had to push against everything where lebronze had everything proped up. He ruined team building, cheated the game and demands to be called the greatest of all time. No one halfway intelligent can genuinely think that is the GOAT.
@@ND-OPSthe fact he made all the teams in the nba change their defense shows something
Anybody around 5’8 on up can play this game bro. For some reason they try to force the issue with tall people. The world has a strange obsession with tall people. It’s crazy
@@thebucketmanj8525 yes but not dominate it like hes doing
Kenny just said a statistical category doesn't put you in. By that metric leflop shouldn't be in the conversation at all.
Love Shaq!! Has always stood up for Kobe. ❤
I remember how Skip argued for Shaq over Steph. I’d love to see Skip react to this
I have nothing against Steph and I always watch his games. But to be the greatest shooter ever and only 2 scoring titles to MJ's 11( 7 in a row) there is a large gap between a great shooter and being the Goat. He has zero DPOY or all defensive teams. Steph is great as Steph, not as The Goat. Leave Steph in his own category!
100%
That’s because he’s not a ball hog and let’s other guys shoot. He’s a point guard. He could easily win more scoring titles if he wanted to. Also, he had Durant on his team who took shots from him
Larry Bird, Stephen Curry and Kevin Durant are all better shooters than MJ. Tf are you talking about
Mj was a sg, steph is a pg.
@@Handlehosyler better shooters, but MJ is a better scorer is his point.
Best shooter ever and maybe he can be put in top ten now because he changed the game for the "little" guys of the world, but he's not in the goat conversation and he never will be.
I don't see how anyone can even be put in the conversation with MJ as far as the perfect basketball combination.
He's so far ahead of everyone.......Wilt ain't even close, Lebron ain't close and Kobe was the closest in terms of athletic moves but that's because he moulded his entire game off MJ.
One goat and everyone else playing for top 10.
For marketing reasons. They can't have MJ be the GOAT, because it's bad for the league to have a guy who's been retired for decades still be the best the game's ever seen. So, they have to keep pushing other players to replace him.
Kenny is right. There are a handful of people in the goat conversation. Everything after that we are just having fun. Steph is not close to Michael.
He's better than Michael!
@@Brantley_ZAcome back to bed grandpa, you're talking nonsense again.
Wilt Chamberlain folks.... He's in that conversation solidly... No stretching needed.
Kenny really didn’t mention Kobe wtf wrong with this world 🤦🏿♂️
Why does everyone forget Wilt Chamberlain in the so called Goat talk. Look at the record books Who else avg. 50ppg plus 26 Rbg. Overall he is on top of every stat list.
What about Magic Johnson
No one was or is a better passer.
Showtime Lakers still better than any of these teams.Or Larrys Celtics. Like to see Lebron ,or Steph get hand checked all night and then try to go to the basket and have Laimbeer or Oakley or Mahorn lay them out in the paint, or get elbowed in the face by Karl Malone and keep playing and try to win a championship. Where you at?
Points, Assists, Rebounds, Defense.
Unless you can effective in all categories. You cannot be considered as the greatest player.
Lechoke has been put in this since before he "won" any championships. People will probably leave Steph out if he has 7 championships.
Tell me it isn't biased as F.
Kobe is always over looked in this convo..!! Thank you Shaq for remembering..!!
Facts
I’ll give respect to shaq when it comes to Kobe he’s always putting him in a conversation because he know that man belongs in a conversation
Kenny felt offended 😂😂😂
Agree with kenny, Curry the best shooter ever, God of shooting, can impact the game by just running on screens whatever you want to call him but saying he's the GOAT is a stretch.
He smoked 3 out of 4 times one of the players in that "pool". Steph is in the GOAT convo without question.
They hate to acknowledge but will knock him with he wasn’t driving the bus bullshit😂. Salty fanboys😂.
Unless he wins another ring and FMVP, but Steph is already in the top 10
Agree with another ring and FMVP, or another MVP, but also if he adds 4 or 5 more All NBA seasons. To me Steph is somewhere 10-12.
And he aint 10!
@@fhaguila winning accolades doesnt make you a better player. He probably wont win another ring or MVP because there are just too many others out there. His team is not good enough currently.
@@DMES-wp2fj He is 10
Shaq is saying - Curry 4 🏆- LeBron 4🏆 you cant label 1 as the goat and they both have the same amount of rings .
That's a dumb take using rings alone.
Also Lebron:
- most points in nba history n playoffs
- more MVPS
- more finals MVPS
- only player to have more then 30k pts, 10k assists and 10k rebounds.
Should I keep going?
@@breezy9933 Yo I'm helping Shaq out I'm not taking sides here 🤣
@@jhonagha6279 I'm just the messenger 🤣
@@BelichickXsandOs101 I read that shit wrong my bad gang 😂😂
I feel like he should be. He didn’t need to switch teams and join another top 75 nba all time player. He only played with one in his career and they were unbeatable together. Lebron needs to switch teams all the time to get 75 all time players
Lol what about KD joining warriors
@@EngineerInMotion”he only played with one in his career and they were unbeatable together”
He only 1 final mvp and less MVPs than both bron snd mj
And got 2 out of 4 rings with him. Stop the BS narrative@@justinran1693
@@EmperorLelouchxCurry also has less all star mvps than Westbrook. And Charles Barkley has less fmvp than Iguodala.
Who tf cares?
For what Curry has done and accomplished for a guy his size puts him in the discussion.
I'll definitely put Curry in the top two no doubt. Shooting wins games, three pointers wins game obviously! Curry is the best shooter in the history of basketball 🏀 the game has never seen talent like that before. Curry for MVP 100%
Without shooting, Steph impact on the game is as close as D Angelo Russell 😂
Go sleep kid.
But see how can you be in the convo for best at your position and not be in the convo for best ever? That doesn’t make any sense Kenny.
One more ring would put him on the outside of it IMO. He'd be in the Kobe-Duncan-Magic-Bird tier where he'd be one of THE greatest, but a shaky case for being the GOAT.
Kenny has a point when it comes to his top players. He has the best three, which most people will agree (MJ, LeBron, Kareem) but everything after that is when people will disagree and have conversations or debates. I have not seen many people disagree on their top including those three (no matter the order).
“That pool aint deep, not deep water in there” 😂😂😂😂 Kenny speaking all FACTS
Its deep enough to put steph in there.
@@GreenEnvy.And not deep enough for lechoke.
@@GreenEnvy.Nope, the three that he mentioned are the only ones in it
I don't quite get the hesitation on Steph. But him saying "reaching" on Kobe is wild
Lmao how.. mf didn't even get all of his finals MVPs
@@KL-xe5ec yea get a better argument..Iggy shouldn't have won that first one and if I have KD on my team, I'm giving him the ball too..and even then, he averaged 26-27 a game in those finals.
There are probably only two players for whom the opposing teams have a separate book on how to defend them. Michael and Steph. Also, Steph is the only player who consistently is triple-team.
Kenny looks like his moustache and beard are from two different Avatars 😆
He should... unlike lebron he didn’t need to switch teams to get his
because kd came to him
Why would curry? He has always had stacked teams. You think curry could do what lebron could do with those cav teams ?
@@nishanthanarudsivam9427😂he won without him before and after, and he was the one getting double teamed in the finals when KD was on his team
kevin love and kyrie got hurt and lebron took them to 76 games then they blew a 3-1 lead lol
@@rollin60z
kd won two finals mvps
@@rollin60z
Didn’t this man just drop 8 points against trail blazers? My king lehunky bear could never
Of course! Steph absolutely belongs in the convo. I believe he is more deserving of consideration over LeBron.
Stupid
Delulu
Your delusional he not over lbj all time
He just doesn't know basketball
People wanna forgot Kobe so bad it’s pissing me off
Shaq is giving Steph love. But Steph is somewhere between 10-12 all time. Kenny is on point. In the true GOAT convo, MJ, LBJ, Kareem are the only names on the list (and, in my opinion, in that order). Russell (toughest omission from the true GOAT list), Kobe, Magic, Bird, Timmy, Wilt, Shaq, Hakeem (way underrated in these lists), and, yes, Steph are the next tier. Then it's guys like Moses, Doc, KD, Elgin, West, Oscar and so on.
Only 1 finals mvp
Steph is easily better then magic lol. Stop it.
You lost all credibility when you put LBJ with MJ and Kareem. You even put Kobe beneath LBJ. It's clear how much the MSM influenced your opinion.
Btw, it's very subjective. But if you don't know how much LBJ has been assisted throughout 20+ years only to get 4 rings (2 very suspecious ones), then you're biased/misinformed.
I'm a Warriors fan and I agree curry is not that impactful when it comes to defense. Maybe height and physical attributes does matter when it comes to being the goat. That's why LeBron has a strong case as the 2nd GOAT. Prime LeBron can play great on both ends that's why me and most of us hate him. hahaha Although he really cant win without a top 10 NBA Superstar playing alongside him.
@@nb4857 Stepth is an above average defender and one of the best defensive PGs lol. Stop the shit narratives.
For his Height best shooter in it best scorer at his position and what he doing at his age and status best point and shooter in it
It is absolutely blasphemous that Magic has not been mentioned. We are talking about a Point Guard, yes Steph is great, but NOT ONE MENTION OF MAGIC!
Glad they called him out on that shoe polish beard! 😂
I have Steph #1.
No one has been this successful with the league obviously against him sending him to the line the least out of all the legends before him while being defended more than anyone else and destroying opposing defenses like no one before him.
He's the best because if he were given the superstar treatment like all others before him he would have won 80 to 82 games in a season 2 to 3x already.
@fanpulse5439 you glazing😂
Thats how respect is Shaq say the truth. Shaq is the best.
Goat curry is the only conversation he’s in I’m talk I’m about food 🥘…..
Kenny don't hate Steph is up there man .
He's been in the goat conversation for a long time. People only look at Steph's game and say, well he's great at shooting which subconsciously makes them think that he's not great in other areas. But in reality Steph is the best ball handler in the nba after Kyrie, has some of the most effective and efficient paint finishes and single handedly carries the most influence on a team compared to any other player. The opposing teams have to change their entire game plan when against Steph. The gravity Steph attracts is so great, that it creates opportunities for his teammates to make easy finishes at the rim, opportunities no other player would've created. Why should you be able to dunk if you can have someone else do it for you? Steph 's impact on the game as the greatest shooter of all time is so great that people often overlook all the opportunities that are created due to Steph. Steph's impact on the game isn't always so obvious. But the result reflect it. One of the greatest dynasties ever. Definitely up in the goat conversation.
I'd say media definitely short changes him. Especially compared to the guy that cheated the game. But yeah you're right I definitely consider him on my mt Rushmore of NBA. And people are dumb he's not a great shooter, he's the best shooter ever and great in almost every other aspect.
Couldn’t win back to back chips without Kevin Durant. Far from the greatest dynasty ever.
@@2cents250 yeah and lebronze couldn't win one without two Allstars as his crutch. And he's considered a GOAT.
@@DarkWolf-407 I mean if he's a GOAT, he should be ALL ROUNDER. Not just offense and a shooter. So no.
@@l_ciel1296 if you see him play you should know he does more than shoot.
Kenny just throw some shade “leadership” or lack there of
Kenny pissing me off. Steph is more than just the best shooter (no ds) he impact the game by just being on the floor. He'd be triple teamed & that easily creates opportunities for his teammates OR he would still score on however many defenders on him. One of the best to touch a court, Shaq knows it too
He doesn't defend nobody, so hes unqualified
@@dukeGed100%
He's right though, Steph's one of the greatest at his position and the greatest shooter ever, but he's not even in the top 300 players all-time on defense. And in a game where players are expected to play both offense and defense, how can you be in the convo for GOAT if you're massively lacking in one of those facets?
@@thesoundofsilence77 which is even more of a reason why he should be considered in the goat convo lol 4 time champ without being a great defender. Let's talk about how he used to get picked on defensively, not as much now. He's improved in areas defensively. He has just enough now & it's obviously bypassing if he's still getting mentioned in those goat convos. Not a bias person at all but come on now let's stop trying to find reasons not to consider him in that category
@@roseworld1841yeah he went from trash defender to okay defender, wow so amazing lmao.
All guys in the goat conversation were amazing defenders. MJ, Lebron, Russell, Wilt, Hakeem were all great defenders. Steph's never been close to great. He ain't close to goat and never will be.
Yes. He changed the game,broke and set records,won multiple championships,international icon
To me he is and here is why. He probably is the most influential player ever when it comes to how the game of basketball has changed on the court. I’m not talking about making it global etc.., talking about how he changed it with the 3 point and how team defenses defend now. Also, he is obviously the greatest shooter of all time and to be honest I’ve never seen anyone get guarded like Steph gets guarded. He doesn’t have the ball and gets picked up full court at times cause he’s so dangerous. He is the only player with a unanimous mvp and arguably the best mvp season ever (arguably) by averaging 30ppg shooting 50/40/90 on the best efficiency ever and making over 400 3s. He led his team to an all time nba best 73 wins. Yes he didn’t win the title but winning 73 games is something I never thought would happen. He is a 4 time champion, 2 time league mvp and a finals mvp. He should’ve won finals mvp in 2015 if we gonna be honest. He is amongst the players with the highest true shooting despite being a guard that shoots tons of 3s, most of the people with the highest true shooting are centers or players that get to the rim a lot. He also is top 3 most entertaining player to watch with MJ and Kobe imo.
Lebron has a case for being the goat (I don’t think he is but he has a case) despite having done less than Jordan as far as titles and finals mvps and regular season mvps. If we can make that case for him why can’t we for Steph who also has less trophy’s but has been such an influential player. I’m not saying that Steph is the goat, I’m saying that he should at least be in the conversation.
What would help shaq’s argument is the impact Steph’s game has. This man’s ability on the offensive end is to scary that coaches forced there defense to full court press him once he gets the ball and if he passes half court some how he’s doubled immediately or tripled. To add on the fact that he’s even more dangerous with out the ball 🤦🏾♂️. The amount of threes required in games nowadays to win is insane, shared credit with his splash bro. But the 3 has become a necessity required in everyone’s game no matter the position.
Steph is clearly not the best all around player ever, but he is also clearly the greatest shooter of all time, which is the number one most important ability in basketball, the most impactful point guard of all time over Magic, and also Steph is arguably the most influential player in history who literally changed the game and how it is played more so than anyone else, even over Jordan. The modern era of basketball exists and will continue to progress in that way because of Steph. Putting Steph top 5 all time is perfectly logical if you were to create a top 5 GOAT starting lineup with him as your GOAT point guard. If I wanted to win, I'd pick Steph over Magic, and anyone who has watched both eras would do the same.
I was fucked up when I didn't hear him put Kobe in that list 😮
Please stop Kenny & others who refuse to see the obvious. Of course Steph has to be in conversation. He's elevated the game...how could he NOT B. He transcends BB. He is one of the BEST to ever grace the court. PERIOD
one of the best shooters yeah but thats it.Obvious you refuse or maybe young to that you missed most of the BEST that came before curry
Kenny talk to much bout nothing he one of them ones man damn he got 4 rings damn man
This is a very interesting take by Shaq. As a huge Steph Curry fan myself, I wouldn’t put him in the goat conversation bc that only belongs to 3 players in history which Kenny named correctly. It’s MJ, Bron, and Kareem. The rest only fight for the 4-10 spots and I truly believe Steph is already top 10 with the potential to sneak into the top 5 if he can pull off one more championship along with another finals MVP. But even than I wouldn’t put him in the goat conversation. I think the ship has sailed for Steph to be considered the Goat just like it has for Lebron. I think Steph is currently around the same level as a Kobe, Shaq and Duncan. It’s debatable if he’s slightly under those guys or slightly over but that’s about it. He’s not in the conversation of the Goat and probably won't ever be unless he does something truly spectacular in the very end.
Agree 100 percent.
Lebron LOST 6 out of 10 Finals. Sit yo ass down with that Lebron goat bullshit.
Didn't Kenny have Lebron at #9 in his list a year or two ago? Now he's got him in his GOAT conversation? LOL.....shows you how he's not real and sways where the wind blows. Only Chuck & Shaq are real! Shaq may be right tho, I might have Curry ahead of Lebron. He does't chase stacked teams or played in the weak eastern conference most of his career. Plus he's box office! Lebron is just an athletic freak with no outside shot. If they allowed more physical play and he had to rely on his outside shooting, he'd be just an above average player!
It’s definitely time to start putting him in the conversation. If it wasn’t for the media Lebron would not be over Kobe and no where near Jordan. Steph should be in the conversation
He is in the discussion of top ten, not GOAT. The GOAT doesn't miss the playoffs six times.