Shaq & Kenny Debate if Steph Curry is in the GOAT Conversation | Inside the NBA
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- Опубліковано 18 гру 2023
- Shaq asks Kenny Smith if it is time to put Warriors star Steph Curry in the GOAT conversation and admits Steph is better than him.
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Love that shaq doesn't let the kobe disrespect slide
its not disrespect tho. kennys list makes a lot of sense. kobes problem is that he was so similar to mj. but if you have to choose between them you most likely will end up choosing mj over kobe, so kobe has a proboem with his goat case since he isnt distinct enough from mj but just a slight worse. lebron has an easier case because he is so different from mj and also has the accolades. same for kareem. some ppl will include russel (and maybe wilt) but most ppl will disagree due to era i think. and also wilt had the stats but didnt win enough while for russel its the opposite. nobody is disresprecting kobe, for many ppl he is a top 5 player, at least top 10 fpr pretty much everyone. to say hes not the goat is no disrespect.
@@Florian-yk8vg regardless of playing style though, mj kobe lebron and steph consecutively defined nba basketball for their respective decades. You can only judge players before the 90s with respect to their contemporaries. Coz as pure skill they don't even compare to modern basketball. Also kobes career and skill gets downplayed so hard coz he didnt play along with the media machine.
@@Florian-yk8vgmight be the dumbest shot I read hear lmao 😂 I wear ya gotta stop watching basketball
@@ektornikolaou1132 That's another good point raised over and over, how much impact each of these players had in the game?! No one can deny how much impact Curry has had in his career, so indeed he should be included with the greats before him IMHO.
@@Florian-yk8vgI agree with the general sentiment: I appreciate Shaq standing up to the Kobe disrespect when he isn't here and there has been a lot in the media, leaving him off top 10 lists and out of the GOAT convo.
But to your point as I understand it, yeah, Kenny left a lot of ppl of his list and I can see where he is coming from.
Rip Mr bean, Shaq will never let his lil bros legacy be disrespected.
Not even like DT...I hear n respect you...buh honestly in my opion MJ KOBE Steph And LeBron in DT order....well I ddnt watch Kareem...I was still very young
At the same time Shaq has said in the past few years that Penny Hardaway was better or as great in interviews. Shaq flips his opinion a lot. Shaq has also put Penny over Kyrie which I agree seeing both play but he's also said Penny was Kobe, Wade and Lebron all rolled into one which I can't argue that too. Outside of injuries prior to that Penny was that guy but he was for just 4 seasons. Shaq's tone has changed a bit with Kobe since his death which is understandable but take that out and he's changed his opinion a few times. But then again life is evolving everyday and we aren't who we were or thought we were years prior so I can't disagree. I'm more impressed Shaq finally let his ego slide to defend a modern player.
@@rorisangtsoeu253trash list lmao. 😂
If u truly a player n watcher of the game then u know Kobe top 3, n gets disrespected by the media
just because he doesn’t think he’s the greatest of all time doesn’t mean he’s disrespecting Kobe lol, Kobe stans are so overdramatic
Shaq putting Steph ahead of him- shows how much he appreciates and admires Steph.
Steph is also in the conversation for the best showman in sports. Everytime you tune in to watch - are you not entertained ?
Whether anyone puts Steph in whatever category…as long as he’s playing - people will tune in and watch. This is greatness - enjoy it while it lasts
He scored 7 two nights ago
@@thehumannugakareemsupreme9484and the last time he missed a 3 pointer was in 2018 what’s your point?
@@legendary4570 making up a statistic doesn’t make you more right lol
@@connorleary3080 it’s not a made up statistic and no it doesn’t but trying to diminish a players impact likes Steph’s because of an off night doesn’t make him any less great.
@@thehumannugakareemsupreme9484 Steph has a game like that once in a blue moon. He's undersized and all his match ups are always against players bigger than him, yet he can still affect the game in many ways. Blazers literally designed their defensive scheme around Steph that night. And guess what? Warriors still WON. I would put him in the GOAT convo but not at the top. Having the title "Best shooter of all time" is better imo since that title is UNDISPUTED. Unlike the GOAT convo between MJ and LBJ.
Steph actually changed how basketball has been played in the last 15 years. He’s the GOAT shooter and has had the most influence in how teams are formulated now.
Exactly!! I agree with you 1,000%
That’s a very very bold statement because the game was progressing anyways and it was bound to happen with curry or not. He was just in the right at the right timw
i mean technically the heat were the ones who started the whole small ball perimeter shi
@@brski3962After steph 16 season, just like that, every other nba teams started taking 10x more 3's
@@ax9275 his 16th!!!? I’m sure it took that long😂 he definitely helped the wave of the “deep”three ball but teams would’ve realized sooner or later that it’s easier to win by scoring consistent 3’s than mid 2’s
Its funny that Kenny said he had great teams as if none of the other guys had great teams 🤷♂️🤦♂️
😂😂😂😂 right
Agree with kenny, Curry the best shooter ever, God of shooting, can impact the game by just running on screens whatever you want to call him but saying he's the GOAT is a stretch.
Shaq drinking that Kool Aid again , teams single him out on defense....how does that equate to being the best ever , Shaq in your own words "STOP IT"!!!!!!
@@ND-OPSHe said he is in the conversation, people in the top 10, have people who think there the goat at ball, like Hakeem, Shaq, etc. it’s bound to happen. Curry game is like no other, and I think when it’s all said and done he will finish top 5.
@@ND-OPSGOAT of his era at least. No one has changed the game like him in his era. No one has the wins he has with the same team. He is always facing challenges and overcoming them, and media is almost never on his side. LeBronze has had everything given to him.
He should be in the conversation for sure. 4x champion, 2x MVP, greatest shooter ever, top 2 PG all-time, greatest regular season team record ever & he changed the way people play basketball for better or worse...he's easily top 10 all-time. It's just preference after that
Id take steph over magic as a player but pure pg its magic
@@BrentWhitsonsFather totally agree
@@ITakeMajorLscurry is more so top twelve but he’s not top three. He is excellent though obviously
1 finals mvp....no way he is in the goat conversation
@@georgestamatakis697 imo the Iggy finals MVP was a joke.
As big as a warriors fan myself, can’t believe Shaq would pick Steph over himself. Shaq was probably the most dominant force we have ever seen( if people want to debate him with Wilt).
Shaq was destined to become the goat if he wanted it. At the time other things were his priority but it’s all what could have been. I dnt think we’ll ever see another force like shaq.
If this was boxing where there are weight classes, this wouldn't even be debated. Steph is just so much more skilled than everyone else, particularly when compared to bigs like Shaq, or guys like KD who are 7 feet and can shoot over everyone.
Shaq is just being humble. No way Shaq would pick Steph curry over himself if Shaq really means it.
@@davidlui9942 or maybe Shaq meant what he said, and don’t need ppl like you putting words into his mouth. He hasn’t made the same case for other current players
It’s cause he knows the difference between him and curry is that curry inspired a whole generation and changed the game forever and has the stats and rings to back it up
He’s earned his spot in the top 10 no doubt
No doubt
Shaq ain't trying to hear the disrespectful for Kobe, and I appreciate that!
Agree with kenny, Curry the best shooter ever, God of shooting, can impact the game by just running on screens whatever you want to call him but saying he's the GOAT is a stretch.
*hear not “here”
Who cares, Kobe aint in there
Well according to this comment thread...a lot more people care than your one individual hatin ass so...I'll let that speak for itself.@@thehumannugakareemsupreme9484
@@thehumannugakareemsupreme9484 🥱🥱🥱🥱
it’s time.. a 6’2 guard changed the blueprint of the game, almost 30 years old and I’ve never seen a player like this before the influence and the accolades is there none else to talk about fr 🤷🏽♂️
Agree with kenny, Curry the best shooter ever, God of shooting, can impact the game by just running on screens whatever you want to call him but saying he's the GOAT is a stretch.
@@ND-OPSif he get more than 6 rings yes
Outside of guys like Kobe, I do feel like Steph is one the more disrespected and underappreciated legends in our game. So I appreciate Shaq who is a legend himself for acknowledging it. Give these guys their flowers while they're alive to smell them.
Kobe, Jordan and Steph are all disrespected when people bring leflop into this covo.
@@DarkWolf-407only LBJ fans disrespect those players, or anybody that else that’s a threat to their “glorious king” weird ass mfs.
Disrespect and underappreciated, Bro you ok? Literally Curry is the most loved player in our current era, Lebron is one of the most hated player like ever.
Kobe disrespected?
I rarely watch nba. But no matter the score, or the team's record, it's clear he is THE problem that the other team has to deal with. He's so clearly skilled in all aspects of the game.
The media try to ignore Kobe’s greatest shoutout to Shaq for keeping his legacy alive
Steph Curry's unique status:
--GOAT Shooter (only objective fact in NBA/No debate at all)
-Changed the game
-Most influential player beside Kobe and Mike
-Only Unanimous MVP
-73-9 team
1st winner of the kobe bryant all star mvp award
- 4 rings in the so-called lebron era, 3 on lebron's head. Lmao
I fully agree but does putting Curry in ANY other team will work the same? Im not sure. You can put Shaq, Jordan, Tim, Magic etc on ANY team and they will make it better.... I dont see Steph'e game work in LA, Nuggets, Heat and so on.
Lol how is Kobe most or 2nd most influential?
And actually LeBron was the first unanimous MVP 3 years prior in 2013 but one salty Celtics reporter didn’t vote for him to taint/keep LeBron from being first unanimous by 1 vote
Shaq almost was, too
@@gagandhaliwal9391lol you mean infamous asterisk and cheap ‘rings’.. he finally has 1 legitimate one and it’s his last one, except even then, he yet once again played a team who’s star player was injured .. just like every other time, even with KD almost every time
Love the humbleness from Shaq. He didn’t mention himself in that conversation but he should.
" You're not putting him over Michael " Really fuckin glad Ernie said that, not gonna lie. Nobody will ever be better than Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant, Straight up killers.
@sean8998 That's where you're 1,000% wrong!!!
when you said and KOBE, that's where your argument went off the rails. Lebron is greater than KOBE and has surpassed KOBE for more than 10+ years ago. Kobe was great, but yall have to stop with this narrative that Kobe is better than Lebron, kobe was not even better than SHAQ all time, and if I wanted a player that can lead my franchise i would choose TIM DUNCAN over Kobe to be honest. Kobe is definitely top 10 GOAT, but NOT without a doubt TOP 5
lmao kobe isnt even top 5.
Steph better
Well, he's been in my GOAT conversations for a long time now. There are few players that changed the game in a massive way through its course and Steph is definitely one of them. Not to mention his 2021-2022 performance, which was one for the ages.
So A.I is in the goat convo too
@@NvrBored maybe if he'd won titles. 76ers never won
He didn't change the game
@@theblackbolt5514He 100% did.. But I don’t think that should make him the GOAT
What else can he do other than score? He cant defend.. block shots... switch and call out movement (read the game for teammates)... can't win without 2 other HOF's.. Big O was before his time with Stats.. still not considered for the Goat Convo
Steph has been in the conversation! He has fundamentally changed the game of basketball.
Oh yeah let's just throw leadership and defense out the window
@@BG-bn6qu Serioulsly dude, wth are these people talking about. Someone on the media says anything and people are immediately like, oh yeahhhhhh, and just don't think. Shaq just went with his initial thought here and didn't think it through. Steph is def probably top 5 offensive players of all time. Maybe top 3. But his defense is like top 50-100 maybe.....
He's not "in the conversation". Nobody can seriously argue he's the greatest player of all time.
@@BG-bn6quHis leadership is top notch.
I agree.
I see what Shaq means, at the end it the day Curry has mastered the single most important thing a basketball player can master which is shooting. Shooting to me out weighs any other skill a basketball player can acquire.
All other all timers are amazing at multiple things. Steph's amazing at shooting. He ain't close to being the goat.
@@brettadiah10 Exactly. The greatest shooter ever but 0 defensive all-NBA team selections? How can you be in the goat conversation if you're a top 3 offensive player all time but outside the top 200 or lower in defense?
@@thesoundofsilence77shit 200 is even generous for him lol.
Single most important thing is WINNING. Curry has failed to make the playoffs SIX times. The GREATS seldom fail to make the playoffs.
@@arizjones😂😂He was playing alone at the time
Shout out to Shaq defending his fallen brother's honor. Won't let anybody play with Kobe's name, no matter what issues they had in the past
Yall Kobe stans need to chill. Kenny wasn't saying Kobe was trash. Just his pool of GOATs is smaller than Shaq's. Yall more oversensitive than MJ stans. Like yall realize Shaq won more Finals MVPs than Kobe right? 😂
Kobe is disrespected everytime lefraud is mentioned. Kobe is better in every way yet he's always put below by media.
@@DarkWolf-407 Shaq is literally saying. I was alright as a player just to give Kobe flowers. Ok so ESPN talks about LeBron. They been talking about LeBron since he was in high school while Kobe won championships. Who cares about the media?
There's not a single player from Shaq's Era that would say I'm just decent but LeBron is one of the greatest. Patrick Beverly a role player was clowning LeBron over winning a ring in the bubble. And he was saying I could easily guard LeBron. Smh 🤦♂️.
@@DarkWolf-407Except for every statistical category 😂
@@Aldwulf stats are easy to get when the nba bends over backwards for him.
Shaq is right! So many ppl are overlooking Steph's greatest skill besides shooting. Steph may be history's best winner besides MJ. U saw the complete dominance of curry and KD, and see how KDs been playing with all the other MVPs! Curry is the BEST player ever besides MJ to build the most unstoppable team whenever he has at least one superstar playing alongside. Klay, green, Poole, Wiggins don't count as superstars, they only play well with curry. Without curry, they will be nobody's to average. In truth, curry has always WON champs as the ONLY superstar in the team other than KDs era. Like Kyrie Irving played with LeBron 4 years, AD with LeBron, Dame with Giannis, Tatum with brown, Leonard and George, Embiid and harden, KD and Kyrie and harden etc. Steph can pair WITH ANY of those superstars and GUARANTEE a CHAMPION! Ppl keep overlooking Steph. Whenever Steph wins a champ, his teammates suddenly become from scrubs to superstars
Nope Kobe ahead of him 2 finals mvp
Yeah Steph had kd
Lechoke had, AD, Austin reeves, kyrie irving, Kevin love, Chris bosh, Dwade and hell he even had shaq at one point. So many crutches and I didn't even mention them all.
He has 4 rings not 10 and it’s the Warriors system not Steph. Klay is a superstar just because he declined doesn’t take away from his contributions to the 4 Chips The Warriors won. Curry has not won without his Splash brother. Dame and Giannis haven’t played a whole season.
@@Zal8888lol Steph IS the system
Stteph doesn"t have the size and athleticism of Jordan, Kareem, Kobe and Lebron. Yet he's changed the game. Only very few people can say they've changed the game. We usually put those type of people in the GOAT debate so shut up Kenny.
U shut up dummy, dirk also changed the game, you put him in goat convo?
Kat haha
Steph no defense not the finals mvp and a super team with kid and Klay with him. He is the best shooter and so off all time and off ball movement
He change the game on 1 side of the ball like Kenny said if any of those guys have off scoring games they can effect it in other ways curry doesn’t do that.
Yeah that's what makes me find him so insane is he's the only person in the top 10 conversation that's a normal human height xD he's 6'2" thats a tall normal person LOL. He doesn't jump super high, runs pretty fast but not insanely. Wingspan average. Yet he's doing this none stop. Beyond it all I'd say Curry has an effect on his teammates similar to MJ, moreso than Lebron does. For Lebron it's all about him and being the guy.
Also I feel like they overrate Kareem. Dude was 7'3" in a time where no one was that tall. Free basketball + he literally won 5/6 of his rings with Magic Johnson like why is he so glazed. For me its MJ Lebron Kobe Magic Larry Wilt Top 6
Kobe's legacy is second to none, his global icon status is second to none, he's an icon of icon's! He was box office and bigger than life! He is many peoples GOAT and many NBA players GOAT and is definitely in the GOAT convo! Good looking out Shaq!!
Kennys hating ass knows Steph would've bodied him 9 times out of 10
That’s irrelevant
He ain’t better than Hakeem
Lol exactly what I was thinking. Kenny straight up hating. He got 2 rings off of Hakeem what's he talking about
Hakeem is still better. Shaq, Kobe, Magic, bird, Michael, lebron, Duncan, wilt, Kareem. Steph isn’t better than any of those guys except bird.
By to the old heads in with the new!! He’s the GOAT for this time!
If he was better at defense he should be put in that convo... Definitely most magic player in the last 20 years.
When he wins his 5th ring this year he’ll be top4-5 all time
@@joshbonds0073no he won’t
Hmmmm Lebron 😂😂😂
So disrespectful that Kenny didn't put WILT in the conversation especially after explaining the criteria. Not only did WiILT affect the game in different categories, he was so great & dominant they changed rules to try to nullify his greatness. Let that marinate for a minute.
they also changed the rules because of barkley. doesnt make him the goat tho. they changed the rules quite a couple of times since the game design was too exploitable.
Agree with kenny, Curry the best shooter ever, God of shooting, can impact the game by just running on screens whatever you want to call him but saying he's the GOAT is a stretch.
Wilt is the most underrated player ever. He's so good that folks are forced to ignore his accomplishments and pretend he never existed to get around talking about him
Yes, Stephen Curry is definitely in the goat conversation. Doesn't matter about the defense that he plays. It matters that when this man is on the court he is affecting the outcome of the game point blank period. And there's already a slew of others in the chat conversation who's giving you statistical values to state why this man is in the goat conversation so I won't go into that conundrum.
After all the game is about scoring and when the game's closed getting timely stops. He's done enough that the outcome has been slanted in GS favor since he arrived
He's in the convo, but it's not getting as far. Kobe was in the convo before Lebron.
not in the convo. not even close
Agree with kenny, Curry the best shooter ever, God of shooting, can impact the game by just running on screens whatever you want to call him but saying he's the GOAT is a stretch.
@@sportstalkonly1442he’s in the convo.
@@TheCosmosAwaits no he's not
We need Shaq, we need a couple other solid players a maybe a pundit like sas to have a 3-4 hour podcast just to categorically go over who is the goat. Have specific categories and a definitive point system. Like a jury pouring over the evidence and mapping out how many points and come up with a #1 but you have to set the categories and have a good wide range of all the aspects of greatness, eliminate feelings and opinions by setting the parameters clearly establishing a points system that can measure everything thoroughly which considers their stats and their teammates and so much much much more
It takes a different man to do what he did on five fouls. And with all due respect, Kenny, shooting is not just any other statistic. Stop describing him as just a shooter and limiting his abilities to just that. He has dominated and NBA consistently through out his career. I agree with Shaq; Steph is in category of greatest players of all time.
Love Shaq!! Has always stood up for Kobe. ❤
Ppl act like they are afraid to say Kobe is in that conversation
It’s because him and MJ are so easy to compare. Like when people compare MJ and Lebron and Kareem, they’re all so different that it’s difficult to say who’s better. But Kobe and MJ are so similar, and we all know MJ edges it, so it makes the goat conversation easier to exclude Kobe.
@@jameswyatt4443 that makes no sense at all. If Kobe so similar then he’s included in that debate. Kobe was a better defender too
@@hammuel188 It makes perfect sense, use your brain. And he was not a better defender. MJ has a DPOY, and they both have 9 All Def first teams. But Kobe played like 8 more seasons.
@@hammuel188 Kobe was NOT a better defender than Jordan. Jordan was 3× NBA steals leader (1988, 1990, 1993) and every year he was steals leader he was also scoring leader.
Kobe is not in that conversation 😂😂😂😂
Shaq owns a couple of his FMVPs... wasnt the best player on his team until he kicked him off
Then he only got 2 more 😂
Kenny just throw some shade “leadership” or lack there of
He’s pound for pound the greatest of all time imo. All other top 10 maybe top 20 players are 6’6 and over and a lot are bigs
The discussion isn't about weight. It is about Great. Can't miss the playoffs six times and be in the discussion. Magic Johnson never missed the playoffs. NEVER. Larry Bird NEVER missed the playoffs. Tim Duncan never missed the playoffs. Sorry, just not in the discussion with Jordan, Magic, Bird, Kobe or even LeBron. He is the greatest shooter, but not the greatest player.
the fact we keep forgetting bill russell wit 11 rings is insane
Yeah people are bais and put their own personal agendas in their top 10.
Its not about rings so they leave bill russell out of their top 10
But when it comes to top 5 they always bring up who has the most rings😑
Than you people put shaq and hakeem in their top 5 but still use the chip argument to exclude someone like wilt
More like favorite top 10 than the best top 10 no way is shaq a top 5 player
Ayy i appreciate shaq for giving these player they flowers. I get both sides of the argument. Its just about appreciating greatness n thats it
Has Curry ever been on NBA All-Defense team = NO, is Curry an elite defender = NO, has Curry been a top 3 steals leader = NO, has Curry been a top 3 assists leader = NO, is Curry an elite rebounder for his position = NO. There's more to basketball than just shooting. Curry is a one dimensional player who has been the best ever at ONE (1) facet of the game! He should never be considered GOAT material with the likes of Kareem, MJ, LeBron, Kobe or Magic. Each one of those players were multi-talented players who played defense. Facts
These kids thinks shooting 3s every game makes you the goat 😂😂
They cut kenny off like 20 times, he was trying to say what separates him from the other dudes is defense. Greatest shooter but the drop off on defense is too much
Not just defense also rebounding and play making.
He’s the only one of his size fool and his defense isn’t bad. Idk where ppl get this notion from
Greatness recognizes Greatness , simple as that.
For his Height best shooter in it best scorer at his position and what he doing at his age and status best point and shooter in it
Definitely is in the convo he is as dominant from deep as Shaq was in the paint he also took the league from Bron in his PRIME
Crazy how he doesn’t realize that Kobe changes the game on defense just as much as on offense. Look at the amount of all defensive team awards Kobe has compared to lebron
Prime kobe was a beast on D but a lot of those all d teams were undeserved
Steph may not be the best ever, but he changed the game more than anyone.
Lots of players changed the game. You must be young.
@@arizjonesBut non of them changed the game like Steph did
You must be very young. No one changed game like Wilt, Jordan and Magic. Then Steph.
@@imaginatorAIhow did magic change the game?
@@ronm3034 When Magic came into the league it wasn't popular. The games were not broadcast on TV very much. Magic and Bird saved the league and made it popular. Magic's up tempo style and flashy showtime passing and his personality made people want to watch. He brought revenue into the game so players could get paid more. He and Bird were some of the first to get shoe contracts. It paved the way for Jordan.
What would help shaq’s argument is the impact Steph’s game has. This man’s ability on the offensive end is to scary that coaches forced there defense to full court press him once he gets the ball and if he passes half court some how he’s doubled immediately or tripled. To add on the fact that he’s even more dangerous with out the ball 🤦🏾♂️. The amount of threes required in games nowadays to win is insane, shared credit with his splash bro. But the 3 has become a necessity required in everyone’s game no matter the position.
Kenny has a point when it comes to his top players. He has the best three, which most people will agree (MJ, LeBron, Kareem) but everything after that is when people will disagree and have conversations or debates. I have not seen many people disagree on their top including those three (no matter the order).
Kobe is always over looked in this convo..!! Thank you Shaq for remembering..!!
Facts
I have nothing against Steph and I always watch his games. But to be the greatest shooter ever and only 2 scoring titles to MJ's 11( 7 in a row) there is a large gap between a great shooter and being the Goat. He has zero DPOY or all defensive teams. Steph is great as Steph, not as The Goat. Leave Steph in his own category!
100%
That’s because he’s not a ball hog and let’s other guys shoot. He’s a point guard. He could easily win more scoring titles if he wanted to. Also, he had Durant on his team who took shots from him
Larry Bird, Stephen Curry and Kevin Durant are all better shooters than MJ. Tf are you talking about
Mj was a sg, steph is a pg.
@@Handlehosyler better shooters, but MJ is a better scorer is his point.
Respect to Shaq himself for standing up for Kobe. Crazy that Shaq had to say it for guys like Jay Will and Stephen A to not refute it. Even Kenny acknowledged Kobe after Shaq checked him lmao.
Putting Kareem over Magic seems crazy to me.
Kenny is right. There are a handful of people in the goat conversation. Everything after that we are just having fun. Steph is not close to Michael.
He's better than Michael!
@@Brantley_ZAcome back to bed grandpa, you're talking nonsense again.
Lol Shaq lost his mind putting Steph putting Steph over himself
No he didn't If you remotely think that Shaq is better then Curry then you've lost your mind.
Not only stats but the fact that a small guard like Curry has changed the game...."in a game that was meant to be dominated by tall people" is even more impressive in my eyes!
Agree with kenny, Curry the best shooter ever, God of shooting, can impact the game by just running on screens whatever you want to call him but saying he's the GOAT is a stretch.
@@ND-OPShe is more so than leflop. Steph has always had to push against everything where lebronze had everything proped up. He ruined team building, cheated the game and demands to be called the greatest of all time. No one halfway intelligent can genuinely think that is the GOAT.
@@ND-OPSthe fact he made all the teams in the nba change their defense shows something
I like the convo. Props to Shaq. Even though the undisputed GOAT by a wide margin is Kareem. Have you checked his Wikipedia page and seen his high school and college career notes? Puts MJ in a distant second.
Points, Assists, Rebounds, Defense.
Unless you can effective in all categories. You cannot be considered as the greatest player.
Curry is the only player in history that can have 0 points in a game and still get triple teamed and double teamed right after half court. Come on that’s crazy. On fast breaks all eyes are on curry. He controls a game just being on the court.
He goes against the grain.
He's also the only one in the "goat" convo that is a defensive liability.
@@gringoboy701 a 6’3 guy in the goat conversation says a lot about him and on top of that he had a season he lead in steals. He has gotten a lot better holding his own throughout the years.
And you won’t win that way. Kobe can’t make the playoffs without other all stars. That’s not goat level.
@@2cents250 😂😂
Kenny really didn’t mention Kobe wtf wrong with this world 🤦🏿♂️
I’ll give respect to shaq when it comes to Kobe he’s always putting him in a conversation because he know that man belongs in a conversation
Kenny felt offended 😂😂😂
Agree with kenny, Curry the best shooter ever, God of shooting, can impact the game by just running on screens whatever you want to call him but saying he's the GOAT is a stretch.
Goat curry is the only conversation he’s in I’m talk I’m about food 🥘…..
Unless he wins another ring and FMVP, but Steph is already in the top 10
Agree with another ring and FMVP, or another MVP, but also if he adds 4 or 5 more All NBA seasons. To me Steph is somewhere 10-12.
And he aint 10!
@@fhaguila winning accolades doesnt make you a better player. He probably wont win another ring or MVP because there are just too many others out there. His team is not good enough currently.
@@DMES-wp2fj He is 10
If youre talking skill set then probably no but impact on the game then yes absolutely. Bird/Magic, Jordan, Steph. Those are the only names in the impact discussion which I would argue is just as important as the skill set debate.
Let's just say we have all-time GREATS.
He's been in the goat conversation for a long time. People only look at Steph's game and say, well he's great at shooting which subconsciously makes them think that he's not great in other areas. But in reality Steph is the best ball handler in the nba after Kyrie, has some of the most effective and efficient paint finishes and single handedly carries the most influence on a team compared to any other player. The opposing teams have to change their entire game plan when against Steph. The gravity Steph attracts is so great, that it creates opportunities for his teammates to make easy finishes at the rim, opportunities no other player would've created. Why should you be able to dunk if you can have someone else do it for you? Steph 's impact on the game as the greatest shooter of all time is so great that people often overlook all the opportunities that are created due to Steph. Steph's impact on the game isn't always so obvious. But the result reflect it. One of the greatest dynasties ever. Definitely up in the goat conversation.
I'd say media definitely short changes him. Especially compared to the guy that cheated the game. But yeah you're right I definitely consider him on my mt Rushmore of NBA. And people are dumb he's not a great shooter, he's the best shooter ever and great in almost every other aspect.
Couldn’t win back to back chips without Kevin Durant. Far from the greatest dynasty ever.
@@2cents250 yeah and lebronze couldn't win one without two Allstars as his crutch. And he's considered a GOAT.
@@DarkWolf-407 I mean if he's a GOAT, he should be ALL ROUNDER. Not just offense and a shooter. So no.
@@l_ciel1296 if you see him play you should know he does more than shoot.
There are probably only two players for whom the opposing teams have a separate book on how to defend them. Michael and Steph. Also, Steph is the only player who consistently is triple-team.
Lechoke has been put in this since before he "won" any championships. People will probably leave Steph out if he has 7 championships.
Tell me it isn't biased as F.
Only thing you can put against him is defense and his defense is highly underrated
It is absolutely blasphemous that Magic has not been mentioned. We are talking about a Point Guard, yes Steph is great, but NOT ONE MENTION OF MAGIC!
Without shooting, Steph impact on the game is as close as D Angelo Russell 😂
Go sleep kid.
If Steph Curry was an elite defender like MJ, Kobe and LeBron (at least LeBron earlier in his career), then I think he would be in the conversation. Right now, he is comfortably in the top 10 ever and is in the conversation for best point guard ever. Best shooter of all time hands down.
Makes me tear up Shaq sticking up for kobe! Especially when they used to beed never thought they would reconcile! DONT DISRESPECT MAMBA!! Played through injuries and still was putting up numbers!
Shaq is giving Steph love. But Steph is somewhere between 10-12 all time. Kenny is on point. In the true GOAT convo, MJ, LBJ, Kareem are the only names on the list (and, in my opinion, in that order). Russell (toughest omission from the true GOAT list), Kobe, Magic, Bird, Timmy, Wilt, Shaq, Hakeem (way underrated in these lists), and, yes, Steph are the next tier. Then it's guys like Moses, Doc, KD, Elgin, West, Oscar and so on.
Only 1 finals mvp
Steph is easily better then magic lol. Stop it.
You lost all credibility when you put LBJ with MJ and Kareem. You even put Kobe beneath LBJ. It's clear how much the MSM influenced your opinion.
Btw, it's very subjective. But if you don't know how much LBJ has been assisted throughout 20+ years only to get 4 rings (2 very suspecious ones), then you're biased/misinformed.
I'm a Warriors fan and I agree curry is not that impactful when it comes to defense. Maybe height and physical attributes does matter when it comes to being the goat. That's why LeBron has a strong case as the 2nd GOAT. Prime LeBron can play great on both ends that's why me and most of us hate him. hahaha Although he really cant win without a top 10 NBA Superstar playing alongside him.
@@nb4857 Stepth is an above average defender and one of the best defensive PGs lol. Stop the shit narratives.
100% in the conversation!!!!
Its been time 🐐🐐🐐
Steph is clearly not the best all around player ever, but he is also clearly the greatest shooter of all time, which is the number one most important ability in basketball, the most impactful point guard of all time over Magic, and also Steph is arguably the most influential player in history who literally changed the game and how it is played more so than anyone else, even over Jordan. The modern era of basketball exists and will continue to progress in that way because of Steph. Putting Steph top 5 all time is perfectly logical if you were to create a top 5 GOAT starting lineup with him as your GOAT point guard. If I wanted to win, I'd pick Steph over Magic, and anyone who has watched both eras would do the same.
Kenny pissing me off. Steph is more than just the best shooter (no ds) he impact the game by just being on the floor. He'd be triple teamed & that easily creates opportunities for his teammates OR he would still score on however many defenders on him. One of the best to touch a court, Shaq knows it too
He doesn't defend nobody, so hes unqualified
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He's right though, Steph's one of the greatest at his position and the greatest shooter ever, but he's not even in the top 300 players all-time on defense. And in a game where players are expected to play both offense and defense, how can you be in the convo for GOAT if you're massively lacking in one of those facets?
@@thesoundofsilence77 which is even more of a reason why he should be considered in the goat convo lol 4 time champ without being a great defender. Let's talk about how he used to get picked on defensively, not as much now. He's improved in areas defensively. He has just enough now & it's obviously bypassing if he's still getting mentioned in those goat convos. Not a bias person at all but come on now let's stop trying to find reasons not to consider him in that category
@@roseworld1841yeah he went from trash defender to okay defender, wow so amazing lmao.
All guys in the goat conversation were amazing defenders. MJ, Lebron, Russell, Wilt, Hakeem were all great defenders. Steph's never been close to great. He ain't close to goat and never will be.
I was waiting for Shaq to say Kobe. As a Warriors fan, I’d say Steph is a Top 10 player of all time. 🐐 conversation? Why not. Just to be in the conversation doesn’t mean he is #1. To me, Jordan reigns supreme above all.
Thank you shaq regarding kobe 👏👏
“That pool aint deep, not deep water in there” 😂😂😂😂 Kenny speaking all FACTS
Its deep enough to put steph in there.
@@GreenEnvy.And not deep enough for lechoke.
@@GreenEnvy.Nope, the three that he mentioned are the only ones in it
One more ring would put him on the outside of it IMO. He'd be in the Kobe-Duncan-Magic-Bird tier where he'd be one of THE greatest, but a shaky case for being the GOAT.
Wilt Chamberlain folks.... He's in that conversation solidly... No stretching needed.
I’ve been saying he’s the best pg all time since 2019 and that’s just how i feel about it, but I respect magic @ #1 for most ppl. but Shaq just outdid me 😂 GOAT STEPH I LOVE IT
This is a very interesting take by Shaq. As a huge Steph Curry fan myself, I wouldn’t put him in the goat conversation bc that only belongs to 3 players in history which Kenny named correctly. It’s MJ, Bron, and Kareem. The rest only fight for the 4-10 spots and I truly believe Steph is already top 10 with the potential to sneak into the top 5 if he can pull off one more championship along with another finals MVP. But even than I wouldn’t put him in the goat conversation. I think the ship has sailed for Steph to be considered the Goat just like it has for Lebron. I think Steph is currently around the same level as a Kobe, Shaq and Duncan. It’s debatable if he’s slightly under those guys or slightly over but that’s about it. He’s not in the conversation of the Goat and probably won't ever be unless he does something truly spectacular in the very end.
Agree 100 percent.
Lebron LOST 6 out of 10 Finals. Sit yo ass down with that Lebron goat bullshit.
I was fucked up when I didn't hear him put Kobe in that list 😮
You can't debate opinion. FACTS!
To me he is and here is why. He probably is the most influential player ever when it comes to how the game of basketball has changed on the court. I’m not talking about making it global etc.., talking about how he changed it with the 3 point and how team defenses defend now. Also, he is obviously the greatest shooter of all time and to be honest I’ve never seen anyone get guarded like Steph gets guarded. He doesn’t have the ball and gets picked up full court at times cause he’s so dangerous. He is the only player with a unanimous mvp and arguably the best mvp season ever (arguably) by averaging 30ppg shooting 50/40/90 on the best efficiency ever and making over 400 3s. He led his team to an all time nba best 73 wins. Yes he didn’t win the title but winning 73 games is something I never thought would happen. He is a 4 time champion, 2 time league mvp and a finals mvp. He should’ve won finals mvp in 2015 if we gonna be honest. He is amongst the players with the highest true shooting despite being a guard that shoots tons of 3s, most of the people with the highest true shooting are centers or players that get to the rim a lot. He also is top 3 most entertaining player to watch with MJ and Kobe imo.
Lebron has a case for being the goat (I don’t think he is but he has a case) despite having done less than Jordan as far as titles and finals mvps and regular season mvps. If we can make that case for him why can’t we for Steph who also has less trophy’s but has been such an influential player. I’m not saying that Steph is the goat, I’m saying that he should at least be in the conversation.
I have Steph #1.
No one has been this successful with the league obviously against him sending him to the line the least out of all the legends before him while being defended more than anyone else and destroying opposing defenses like no one before him.
He's the best because if he were given the superstar treatment like all others before him he would have won 80 to 82 games in a season 2 to 3x already.
@fanpulse5439 you glazing😂
Agree with kenny, Curry the best shooter ever, God of shooting, can impact the game by just running on screens whatever you want to call him but saying he's the GOAT is a stretch.
Thats how respect is Shaq say the truth. Shaq is the best.
If Curry wins his 5th ring, He'll be in my top 5. If he wins his 2nd FMVP, he's my best PGOAT. If he wins his 3rd MVP, I'll place him over LBJ.
Of course! Steph absolutely belongs in the convo. I believe he is more deserving of consideration over LeBron.
Stupid
Delulu
Your delusional he not over lbj all time
He just doesn't know basketball
Hell yea I been saying he in GOAT convo
I'll definitely put Curry in the top two no doubt. Shooting wins games, three pointers wins game obviously! Curry is the best shooter in the history of basketball 🏀 the game has never seen talent like that before. Curry for MVP 100%
I feel like he should be. He didn’t need to switch teams and join another top 75 nba all time player. He only played with one in his career and they were unbeatable together. Lebron needs to switch teams all the time to get 75 all time players
Lol what about KD joining warriors
@@EngineerInMotion”he only played with one in his career and they were unbeatable together”
He only 1 final mvp and less MVPs than both bron snd mj
And got 2 out of 4 rings with him. Stop the BS narrative@@justinran1693
@@EmperorLelouchxCurry also has less all star mvps than Westbrook. And Charles Barkley has less fmvp than Iguodala.
Who tf cares?
Glad they called him out on that shoe polish beard! 😂
You should have to be an all defensive and all offensive player to be considered. I.e. Jordan then Kobe or Wilt.
He should... unlike lebron he didn’t need to switch teams to get his
because kd came to him
Why would curry? He has always had stacked teams. You think curry could do what lebron could do with those cav teams ?
@@nishanthanarudsivam9427😂he won without him before and after, and he was the one getting double teamed in the finals when KD was on his team
kevin love and kyrie got hurt and lebron took them to 76 games then they blew a 3-1 lead lol
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kd won two finals mvps
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Shaq talking crazy 💀
Agree with kenny, Curry the best shooter ever, God of shooting, can impact the game by just running on screens whatever you want to call him but saying he's the GOAT is a stretch.
Shaq is talking sense.
Love you Shaq you always keep it 💯
I just wanted to say something real quick. Yes Curry will always be in the conversation you don't have to put him as one of the top goats but he will always be in the conversation because when you look at aspects of finishing at The rim you can argue who's the best when you look at rebounding you can argue who's the best when you look at defending you can argue whos the best but when you say best shooter of all time we all have the same awnser
Steph's the greatest pound for pound, foot for foot player ever. Either make NBA history his size, or give him the height & athleticism of the other GOAT guards, & Steph is even better than his 5 straight Finals, Championship & MVP, Unanimous MVP & 73 win season, greatest postseason record of all time (15 straight wins, 16 wins in 17 games), his repeat championship, his heorics in the 2019 Finals, & his first ever FMVP coming on the heels of being the first player to average 30-5-5 against the n⁰1 defensive team that season would suggest. Oh, & he's got two scoring titles, lead the league in total steals in 2015 & steals per game in 2016, & has made over 3,500 threes in his career. I think Shaq's being reasonable saying that he's at least in the conversation.
Lets talk about Curry's defense, let's get size out of the way first
CP3 being 2 inches shorter than Curry he was an ELITE defender SEVEN ALL NBA defensive FIRST team, Curry has NONE, NONE even tenth team
So now that we know size doesn't matter about defense, let's talk about Curry's defense.
First ring defense? first Green second Klay third Iguadala and FOURTH Curry.
Second AND third ring, Defense? First Green second KD Third Klay Fourth Iguadala AND FIFTH Curry..
Fourth ring again Curry wasn't the best defender.
Jordan was First in offense AND Defense in most of his rings.
Lebron was First in offense AND defense in 3 of his rings.
Kobe was First in defense AND offense in 2 of his rings.
Curry NEVER was First in offense AND defense in ANY of his rings.
Curry can't be in the GOAT conversation.
Reaching! Especially 4 c'ships one finals MVP. Kenny's right ,that pool is shallow
Reaching! Especially 4 c'ships and one finals MVP. Kenny's right ,that pool is shallow
Reaching! Especially 4 c'ships and one finals MVP. Kenny's right ,that pool is shallow
Reaching! Especially 4 c'ships and one finals MVP. Kenny's right ,that pool is shallow
You can see who’s hating because of jealousy and who’s being real. Hats off to Shaq. Thank you for being real.
lol shaq being humble Steph ain’t better than him bruh
@@SosaA11 my opinion 👏🏻, your opinion 🗑️ lol
@@SosaA11 and liking your own comment is just 😆
Kenny wasn't hating
@@kenzoharris2093 sure. 😏
Kenny looks like his moustache and beard are from two different Avatars 😆