The Chilling Truth of Silent Hill: Shattered Memories

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  • Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
  • Oh the weather outside is frightful...a natural side effect of living in Silent Hill. Come sit by the fire, warm up a little. Now then, what's on your mind?
    Many thanks to Voidburger for allowing me to borrow some footage! The game reeeeaaaaaally doesn't like giving me the bloated or spindly Rawshocks at ALL and after 4 full runs of the game, I gave up.
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  • @DanielSantosAnalysis
    @DanielSantosAnalysis 2 роки тому +117

    Shattered Memories is the only post-Team Silent game in the series that I think is genuinely really good. It bums me out when I see older fans not give it the love it deserves and I feel like you've done a great job illustrating why this game has so much more going for it than it normally gets credit for.

    • @HoneyBat
      @HoneyBat  2 роки тому +21

      Yeah!! It's so deeply rooted in human horror and trauma that I think it definitely belongs in the series. I think it would have been much better received if they hadn't tried to link it in to the original with the character names so people wouldn't be constantly comparing it. It's a very different beast but it's still such a good story and deserves much more love than it gets! Thanks so much for watching and commenting ^.^

    • @colorlover7605
      @colorlover7605 7 місяців тому

      Origins was the best of the American games

    • @jennifersparks5939
      @jennifersparks5939 6 місяців тому

      I've been obsessed with silent hill since the first one and I LOVE shattered memories. I've played it so many times and it never gets boring. Beautiful game.

  • @aurora9166
    @aurora9166 3 роки тому +74

    I'm...going through a lot of stuff right now and this video hit me really, really hard. Processing a lot of denial, without getting too deep into it. I feel like a part of me kinda needed to hear this. Thank you so much for existing 💚

    • @HoneyBat
      @HoneyBat  3 роки тому +13

      I'm so sorry you're having a tough time right now, but I'm glad this helped a little. Processing is rough, I hope it passes as smoothly as possible. Take care of yourself and I wish you all the best!! ♥️

    • @aurora9166
      @aurora9166 3 роки тому +7

      @@HoneyBat 💚💚💚💚💚

    • @bellmorningstar4226
      @bellmorningstar4226 6 місяців тому

      @@HoneyBatim in tears as i type this towards the end of the video as this is something ive been having to face for as long as i can remember. for my upcoming 21st birthday i am willing to try and accept the reality and embrace it

  • @wander_boi69
    @wander_boi69 10 місяців тому +11

    As someone who lost his dad young, I was really touched with this game on my first (and only) playthrough any way, with the way it twisted the "main character" with its ending and really hammered home a theme of lost fatherhood. But I've not thought about this game in a long time and this has been really nice as something to revisit, and also discover the deeper and other mechanics involved as well as an analysis of what was going on beyond the surface level I reacted to. I was especially oblivious to the "Cheryl's taken advantage of" side of things in regards to the audio logs, which is horrifying in its own way but I guess adds to the story being told.

  • @yimmick
    @yimmick Рік тому +30

    i started with your bloodborne video and now i'm working my way through your channel. your videos are such fresh and insightful takes!

    • @HoneyBat
      @HoneyBat  Рік тому +4

      Thank you!! I'm happy you're enjoying them ^.^

  • @UliTroyo
    @UliTroyo 2 роки тому +31

    I've never heard anything positive about Shattered Memories, but I've always found it cool in premise. I'm happy I came across this! It's much more fun and interesting to hear from someone who cares about it than from someone who doesn't.

    • @HoneyBat
      @HoneyBat  2 роки тому +3

      Thanks!! I really loved what the game was trying to do, even if it wasn't executed all that well in some places, and it's really stuck with me even a decade later. It's kinda sad it gets forgotten or dismissed as not a real Silent Hill game but it explored that human horror at the centre of it's story painfully well just like the rest of the series. I'm really glad you liked it ^.^

  • @TheDmolitionMan
    @TheDmolitionMan Рік тому +30

    I really like this game and think that Sam Barlow and the team were into something very interesting, both narratively and mechanically, that still hasn't been fully acomplished yet. The shock I felt as a young teenager when Kaufman's final monologue cut to Cheryl's face was one of the most impactful moments I've ever had in gaming. There's a lot to say about this little experiment and I'm glad I've stumbled upon your essay!

    • @HoneyBat
      @HoneyBat  Рік тому +4

      I didn't even realise Sam Barlow was involved until someone mentioned it yesterday but damn I love his work!! Currently playing Immortality so that was a great surprise haha. But yeah I'm really glad this game exists, even if it's kinda rough around the edges in place and isn't talked about much, because it showed another way stories could exist in the medium. I was so excited for Until Dawn because that was the closest I'd heard of any game doing what Shattered Memories did, although it ended up being a very different style of game and similarly rough, experiments like that slowly grow and inspire new stories and YEAH!

  • @eerieshimmy2103
    @eerieshimmy2103 3 роки тому +17

    The Psych profile at the beginning of the game Determines which Ending you are most likely Skewed to obtain (but not set in stone across the playthrough), Some questions prevent you from seeing Some Variants of Raw Shock entirely, The Bloated Raw Shocks associated with Drunk Dad are the Primary one, As if you choose a "No" on the Question associated with Drinking, You will not see them at all. This could be why you have not seen them! Hope that info helps :o
    Excellent video!!

    • @HoneyBat
      @HoneyBat  3 роки тому +9

      Hi hi! I didn't know the initial survey held so much weight for the rest of the game! I knew it affected the start area and a lot of the other characters base personalities but I'm not sure how far it goes in determining echo messages and the like past the starting area, I've done a lot of experimenting and every time I think I know what will trigger a line it just doesn't trigger XD that line in the video in front of the prom dress? Got it on my first playthrough, so knew I could use it in the script, but the footage corrupted so I had to go back and replay it. I did this *6 times* trying my best to replicate the first attempt and finally got it again on the 7th, if I have to replay the first half hour again I'm gonna scream hahaha
      But yeah, I usually answer yes to the having a drink helps me relax question so I don't rule out the ending, and when I was trying to trigger those rawshocks for footage I answered yes and stared at the booze in Kaufmanns room, got the pub to unlock, beer cans in the playground, no dice. Thought maybe if I kept looking at booze and drugs the rest of the playthrough they might change but nope! Honestly think my disc is mocking me at this point, still gave me the ending and outfit no problem though 😅

  • @deidaraer
    @deidaraer 10 місяців тому +8

    This channel is fantastic and needs more publicity! Thorough, articulate, and fascinating. Well done!

  • @clodia941
    @clodia941 3 роки тому +29

    That was bloody brilliant! I saw a lot of the underlying themes while you were playing, but you have encapsulated them so incisively!

    • @HoneyBat
      @HoneyBat  3 роки тому +4

      Thank you!! It's something that's been nagging at me for years as to why I really like the game but then I studied tragedy in uni and studied a bit of game design this past year and everything finally clicked ^.^

  • @strangeweather8827
    @strangeweather8827 2 роки тому +15

    Such a breath of fresh air. Open, honest engagement with the most interesting of the post-Room titles in the series. I would wonder what Max Derrat would think if he had not all but quit as an essayist.
    Thank you for your writing!

    • @HoneyBat
      @HoneyBat  2 роки тому +5

      Thank you so much!! It makes me sad that Shattered Memories often gets overlooked or written off. It all feels very intentional, all rooted in the protagonist like all the best Silent Hill games and as a character study it's absolutely incredible!

  • @cc.amadeo
    @cc.amadeo Рік тому +10

    This is so great. Shattered memories is such a haunting story and it makes me sad how little people appreciate it.

    • @HoneyBat
      @HoneyBat  Рік тому +3

      Yeah! It's kinda sad that Shattered Memories wasn't that well received but I feel it's one of the most human of the series, some personal tragedy that could actually happen rather than tie ins to strange cults etc that are harder to relate to. And that recontextualising at the end just made it such a memorable story! Even though there's multiple endings you know exactly how it has to go, but I still felt pulled to explore all of them anyway

  • @jovif.spemudaindonesia1841
    @jovif.spemudaindonesia1841 Рік тому +4

    I truly appreciate your effort to making this video. this game didn't get enough love and attention that it's deserve.

  • @derfette7148
    @derfette7148 Рік тому +8

    I was one of the people who always really liked the game back on Wii. Recently I found out that Sam Barlow was involved, same guy who made other games I really liked (like her story and immortality). I wasn't surprised!
    I like games that really work just because they are games and interactive and use the interactive bits to tell the story, like Undertale, and shattered memories was also an example of that. It feels like they justify being games and show what the medium really can bring to the table that books and movies can't. Great video!

    • @HoneyBat
      @HoneyBat  Рік тому +2

      HE WAS?!! No wonder it clicked for me! I'm currently working my way through Immortality and I absolutely love it. And yeah! Gameplay being a part of the story telling really elevates a game for me, whether it's the player interacting with the world or the gameplay taking away or giving extra choices because of what the characters would do. Like there's this one bit in Kentucky Route Zero where an alcoholic is offered a shot for a toast and I didn't want to give it to him but the cursor moved itself and forced the choice for me and he drank it and that REALLY made that tiny moment stand out to me and gave me better insight into his character. This was one of the first games that really drove storytelling with games home for me and I got so annoyed with a teacher in school when I wasn't allowed to write an essay on it because it wasn't a book so it wasn't enough of a story. I think I probably did a better job as an adult though hahaha

  • @omegapuschel
    @omegapuschel 3 роки тому +11

    Wow. I was pretty dismissive of Shattered Memories, but you definitely helped me see the game in a new light. Excellent analysis

    • @HoneyBat
      @HoneyBat  3 роки тому +3

      That's really amazing to hear! Thank you ^.^ I always think that Shattered Memories is kind of a weird cousin to the rest of the series but it's just as deeply rooted in a really human horror at it's core.

    • @cyberpunkramblings4564
      @cyberpunkramblings4564 3 роки тому +2

      @@HoneyBat I think a lot of the criticism comes from being held up to the first few silent hill games which is a tall order. This game is great in it's own right though in my view.

  • @rileytimes
    @rileytimes Рік тому +2

    Absolutely incredible video. I wish I was a part of some kind of award to give because this deserves an award.

  • @CapSaturn
    @CapSaturn Рік тому +3

    The first time I played Shattered Memories, I was in my mid-teens, and I haven't played since. Looking back on the therapy activities, I have a feeling that many of the answers I'd give now would be quite different now that 12-13 years have have passed. Wish I still had my copy of it.

  • @Cheesecake_666
    @Cheesecake_666 2 роки тому +9

    This is incredible. Seriously your work is massively underrated.

    • @HoneyBat
      @HoneyBat  2 роки тому +2

      Thank you so so much!! I'm really glad you enjoyed it ^.^
      While I'm still this small of a channel its really random as to when people find me but Im mostly doing this because I love the games I cover ^.^ this has basically become my (structured) ramble hole and I figure if I ramble enough eventually enough people will stumble onto me haha

    • @Cheesecake_666
      @Cheesecake_666 2 роки тому

      @@HoneyBat Well I found you because every year give or take I search for The Cat Lady because quite frankly it's a masterpiece and I just adore people talking more about it. But given the sheer quality of that video I watched everything on your channel and I can say with absolute certainty that you are one of UA-cams hidden gems. Sorry to gush like a random fangirl but work like yours is simply a breath of fresh air. The games you have covered thus far are fascinating but often with others on the platform are grossly misunderstood and underapriated for their ideas. However you just get it, understanding perfectly. Seriously looking forward to any videos you do in the future.

  • @sablephoenix4rce
    @sablephoenix4rce Рік тому +3

    Thank you, Honey Bat.
    That was a good video.

    • @HoneyBat
      @HoneyBat  Рік тому +1

      Thanks! I'm really glad you liked it ^.^

  • @Gaawachan
    @Gaawachan 8 місяців тому +1

    "Listen to my story. This may be our last chance." Probably one of the more famous game examples.

  • @deboraron2794
    @deboraron2794 2 роки тому +5

    Thank you for this great video. I really enjoyed the first Silent Hill and got truly emotional watching this. Cheryl feels so real.

    • @HoneyBat
      @HoneyBat  2 роки тому

      Thanks!! I feel like Shattered Memories really doesn't get enough love. I wish they hadn't tried to tie it into the first game when it was so deliberately different so people who came in expecting something close to the original were disappointed and newcomers found it sorta lackluster when the series has such a fearsome reputation.
      It really does follow the Silent Hill tradition of placing emotional human horror and tragedy over the monsters and having an ending that recontextualises the main character. But the build up is so long and slow, like the entire game is buildup, and the game is janky enough that a lot of people just never reached that payoff which is a real shame. Cheryl's such an interesting character in this and I feel so awful for her. There's so much you can use in the game to guess at the kind of life she's led and it's a lot. I have...a lot of thoughts on grief. Currently writing something (hopefully) shorter about non-linear grief!

  • @Naterkix
    @Naterkix Рік тому +6

    Man, I really wish this game would get a re-release at some point. I know a lot of other SH fans tend to dislike this game but I always really liked how it took something familiar while putting it's own spin on things. The ending's really good too and the game's one of a number of games I'd love to erase my memory of to "play them for the first time" again (along with SH2, Dark Souls, the Danganronpa series, both NieR games, Xenoblade Chronicles 3 and some other stuff I probably won't remember until two days from now when I'll remember and randomly yell it out, receiving weird looks from everyone in the vicinity).

    • @HoneyBat
      @HoneyBat  Рік тому

      Yeah!! I think this one suffered for trying to tie itself into the first one with all the names but a massively different plot. I know it was orignally going to be about a new character and titled Cold Heart but it got rebranded. And Shattered Memories deals with such human fears and personifies them in similar ways so I definitely think it belongs in the series, it's just less direct about it. Also it's great to see teams being allowed to experiment! I think a lot of people dropped it before getting that recontextualising ending, which is fair, but maaaaan did they miss out! I absolutely wish I could replay this one blind again for the first time. And YEAH NIER!! I've done a series on the Nier games as well because I adore them. Thanks for commenting ^.^

  • @MAGHAZARD
    @MAGHAZARD Рік тому +3

    I've never heard of review of this game that went so deep to explain the connections between the logs and heathers real life, it amazes me how much more depth it gives to the game. Great job!

    • @HoneyBat
      @HoneyBat  Рік тому +2

      Thank you!! I love that there's so many versions of all the messages, like on a replay you know what has to happen but also you get to know a slightly different Cheryl. An angry one, a naive one, a sad one...I suspect the real one is all of those things but the way it reframes her story depending on how the player behaves is so interesting to me!

  • @Simon-et4hu
    @Simon-et4hu 2 роки тому +3

    I wanted to check this one for days but I am awlays alone at home and afraid of being creeped out! I usually comment after I watch not at the start but it gives me courage. I like horror games but the title of the video unsettled me I really din’t know why. It’s a good thing!

    • @HoneyBat
      @HoneyBat  2 роки тому +2

      Hahahaha I love horror but I am also a scaredy cat, I remember first playing this one as a teen and checking behind the shower curtain before brushing my teeth every night, just in case something jumped out at me

  • @philippahobbs8878
    @philippahobbs8878 3 роки тому +3

    I played this game so long ago, I think I missed loads of details. There are so many layers to the story that you covered in the video I just never appreciated at the time.

    • @HoneyBat
      @HoneyBat  3 роки тому +1

      I first played it yeeeeeeers ago too and couldn't really relate to a lot of the game (especially the game's, er...inbuilt horny meter XD) but there was something in there that really stuck with me. Now I finally have the vocabulary and media literacy to articulate it properly and yeah. It's a LOT

  • @TheHayleyisme
    @TheHayleyisme Рік тому +3

    I am so happy I found you!! I am binging all your videos!!! I can wait to hear more of your essays

  • @whatsupcycle
    @whatsupcycle 3 роки тому +3

    Excellent video analysis!

    • @HoneyBat
      @HoneyBat  3 роки тому +1

      Thank you so much ^.^ I'm really glad you enjoyed it!

  • @betuna9487
    @betuna9487 2 роки тому +2

    Thank you for giving us your perspective

    • @HoneyBat
      @HoneyBat  2 роки тому +2

      Thanks for watching! I really like Shattered Memories and will talk for hours at anyone who'll listen to me irl haha

  • @haly2D
    @haly2D 3 місяці тому +1

    this is one of the only silent hill outside from team silent to do something different.

  • @despinhabarda
    @despinhabarda Рік тому +1

    Shattered Memories is certainly on par with Team Silent's best entries into the series - I'd go as far as say that it matches Silent Hill 2 in terms of story and how it tackles its themes. Being a daughter of a broken marriage myself, my father also being a distant figure, this game has always hit me hard ever since I couldn't even understand why did that. And I'm glad I can experience it again pretty much being Cheryl's age at the game, now with the benefit of hindsight.

  • @swordpvnk
    @swordpvnk Рік тому

    I totally forgot about this game and just now stumbled upon this video. When that game came out it was a really cool experience. Thanks for making this!

  • @arkenations261
    @arkenations261 9 місяців тому +2

    i've discovered your channel recently and I really love all of your videos!

  • @fullmetalx91
    @fullmetalx91 5 місяців тому +1

    Unexpected Night Vale

  • @angie7965
    @angie7965 6 місяців тому

    I've had your videos on my Watch Later list for a bit, and this is the first one I've been able to watch. Haven't even finished it yet, but you make such insightful observations about in media res and storytelling that make me really think about them (and remind me I have to read Frankenstein). Next on my list is your Bloodborne video, which I'm so excited about! Many video essayists seem to ignore important storytelling and character development nuances but the way you approach character analysis here is awe inspiring. I saw a Let's Play of this game and am really fond of it despite fans disliking it. Thank you for your work!

  • @ChaoticBastardo
    @ChaoticBastardo 2 роки тому +5

    So I watched your Arcane video and since I enjoyed it a lot I went through your channel and added this video to my watchlist. Maybe a week or two later I finally watched it and I didn't remember how I even found it, I was surprised that it had so little views and wondered if UA-cam really recommended this to me. I was even more surprised by how good was and how emotional it got me. I watched a let's play of the game many years ago, I finally played it myself last year, along with all the other silent hill games. I don't think I ever fully "got" this one and I didn't expect this video to hit so hard. You've given me whole new perspective on the game and.. I guess what I want to say is that this really touched me, it's not only an excellent analysis but.. Idk it just felt special. I've since watched your videos on nier and will watch the others as well. I love hearing your perspective and the amount of love and effort that goes into these videos, even though they get so little views. I hope more people will find your channel eventually and I am very much looking forward to whatever you come up with next. (I'd love to hear your thoughts on Bloodborne)

    • @HoneyBat
      @HoneyBat  2 роки тому +2

      Thank you so much!! I'm so happy that you found something new to love about the game! That's pretty much why I make these ^.^
      Shattered Memories is an odd little outlier where the horrors far more an underlying slowburn than the others I think, more a postgame sinking feeling. Like all the monsters and abandoned locations are just...not where the fear is. Putting everything together bit by bit and seeing how Cheryl's life took shape is so awful and just, wondering if things could have been different somehow.
      Ooh, I do love Bloodborne!! It's on my list of things to write about one day, it's one of my handful of comfort games and it's always a good time (I say, dying repeatedly to Rom because I do not like looking at the wiggly spider babies haha)

    • @ChaoticBastardo
      @ChaoticBastardo 2 роки тому +1

      @@HoneyBat @Honey Bat I took me 5 years of playing bloodborne on and off to finally finish it and last month, with a little bit of cheating, I got the platinum trophy, even though I normally don't care about achievements. And then I was done and immediately had to play it again. Idk, that game is just special and I feel like I'm only now slowly starting to understand it, even though I watched so many lore videos in the past.
      I saw on your Tumblr that you wanted to write something about bloodborne and motherhood and I don't think I've ever seen someone talk about that aspect very much and now I feel like I've missed something huge and the more I think about it.. You're definitely on to something

    • @HoneyBat
      @HoneyBat  2 роки тому +2

      Honestly wasn't expecting to like Bloodborne after disliking Dark Souls but I fell right in!! I love monster designs so watching someone else play the first hour meant I really wanted to try it despite being suspicious of the gameplay, but it was riveting. I didn't quite get the plot at first, running on the vibes, but honestly unpicking every aspect of the lore in a game that's so deliberately poised between acknowledging the truth/mistakes and allowing secrets to rot in the most literal sense (especially the DLC) seems like it's not super important. I'm still not completely certain on everything but I think that's part of the allure (or am I covering my pretentious ass? Who's to say? XD)
      But yeahhhh!! Motherhood, birthing, lunar and menstrual cycles are so DEEPLY embedded into the game that I find it kinda weird that nobody's said much about it? I guess it's the ick factor, but like, I see your blood splattered game under a blood moon full of werewolves and mother monsters and I'm like yeahhhh I want to explore that!! The whole curse starts by taking a baby from it's mother with the Orphan of Kos, Rom is hollow now but has lots of babies, The One Reborn as an artificial and forced birth gone horribly wrong, Ebriatas orphaned and alone in the dark, Queen Yharnam has a bloody stain over abdomen, crying as she points you towards a baby protected by a monstrous wet nurse. To get the true ending you have to eat umbilical cords!! And a monster comes out of a bloody moon!! And you becoming a baby squiddy thingy to bridge the gap between Great One and human means you are cycling through childhood once again and I just love it ^.^

    • @ChaoticBastardo
      @ChaoticBastardo 2 роки тому +1

      @@HoneyBat Oh yes, the vibes are just 10/10, the game is just so beautiful I keep standing around somewhere just to look at all the buildings.
      I recently visited a cathedral in Münster that was filled with giant statues and art and just so much stuff I couldve stared at it for ages and I kept thinking "who tf built this?? Who paid for this?? Who has the time for this, this is unbelievable" and I think that's the exact feeling I get with bloodborne. I can look at it for ages and try to comprehend the scale of it, all the details and the architecture but it's just too much and I can't get enough of it.
      When I finally started NG+ and got to the first boss I had completely forgotten how covered in blood you get at the beginning and I love it. It seems like a weird choice for a comfort game but it also makes so much sense and knowing exactly where all the enemies and short cuts are in NG+ adds this wonderful sense of familiarity.
      Queen Yharnam being the final chalice dungeon boss and Ariannas pregnancy and all the things you mentioned... It really is everywhere. I must thank you for your insights🙏🏻

    • @HoneyBat
      @HoneyBat  2 роки тому

      I grew up visiting so many churches so I've always loved looking at all the little details in the architecture! Some are so gorgeous and intricate, there's so much care been put into the building and Yharnam is just the same. Someone loved this place and what it stood for once, but now it's lined with coffins. It's like classic Gothic but it also feels, idk, somehow too dirty. Like so much Gothic horror is very cold and sterile, ghosts that leave no marks and old stone that saps the heat from anything that survives. Dry stale air that's been still for so long, life feels like an intrusion. Yharnam looks like that on the surface but it's full of goopy fleshy monsters and people mutating into creature less than human. The city's absolutely spattered in blood. I love the genre twisting, and then it out does itself by leaning into the whole eldritch vein!
      Oh man I forgot about Ariana's pregnancy!! And imposter Ioesefka's whole, er, thing. I think she's also pregnant? She's very into it XD It's a bit of an odd comfort game but most of mine are horror hahaha. When I'm really anxious, my love puts on no commentary let's plays of Rule of Rose or Silent Hill 3 and gives me a blanket, she hates horror as she's a total scaredy cat but she knows how much I love it ❤️👻

  • @helinanana
    @helinanana 7 місяців тому

    can i just say you're literally a genius and i love your videos so much!!!

  • @eleanorsfate445
    @eleanorsfate445 Рік тому

    Dang the music choices in your videos are so sublime!
    "Card Castles in the sky" from Alice Madness Returns in your Bloodborne Video.
    And now "Folsense" from Professor Layton and the Diabolical Box".
    I commend your taste in music!

  • @TehDanxorz
    @TehDanxorz Рік тому +1

    Thanks for making this. As you stated in the end there, I only ever hear bad stuff so I never got or played the game. But it sounds like they really did try to make something unique. It was just so far afield of what everyone was expecting or wanted that it didn't seem to work out. Which I now think is too bad. So thanks.

    • @HoneyBat
      @HoneyBat  Рік тому +1

      Yeah, it has a bad reputation which is such a shame because it's such a good story and I love that the team were allowed to be more experimental! I'm really exicted for the new one though because it looks like we're going to get some new angles on the concept again rather than people trying to copy formulas (and the person writing it made Umineko which I LOVE and changed the way I think so may be a little biased here haha). I think it failed to live up to a lot of expectations when it advertised itself as a reimagining of the first game which...it really wasn't, and you don't get that resolution and recontextualising gutpunch unless you actually finish the whole thing. But I loved the flashlight gimmick as well, actually poking around the town by pointing your wii mote to look at things was so cool! I spent hours just wandering around looking at things haha. The only other game I played that did that was Fragile Dreams but it's such a great idea, and in this one you could call any phone number you found on advertisements or phonebooks around the town with different messages depending on playstyle in all of them?? Which was such a cool thing! You could even call the game helpline in the manual and they'd answer with oh it looks like you're calling from Silent Hill...you're beyond even our help and then hung up on you.

  • @mathematicalcabbage
    @mathematicalcabbage Рік тому +1

    Tangentially related but I really like your choice of background music in certain parts, specifically I picked out "Folsense" during the part about Harry stumbling through town before getting into the horror aspects. There are more comparisons to Folsense and Silent Hill then one might think looking at the games each location comes from, especially with this particular Silent Hill game. A town that isn't what it seems, filled with the ghosts of the past with some lingering sense of loss and sadness.
    Thanks for the thought provoking video, glad I found your channel!

    • @HoneyBat
      @HoneyBat  Рік тому

      YEAH I love Professor Layton series and Pandora's Box is my definitely my favourite. There's defintiely something a little Silent Hill about a place warping to fit your expectations, a place fueled by memories of long lost people. I'm surprised anyone picked up on it but you clealry have excellent taste! Thanks for watching and commenting ^.^

    • @mathematicalcabbage
      @mathematicalcabbage Рік тому

      @@HoneyBat lol the professor Layton series are some of my favorite and Folsense is one of my favorite songs from the series. It was fun to think about the location in a different light though, just adds a little extra sparkle to my next playthrough of the games

  • @mislavkrznaric1635
    @mislavkrznaric1635 Рік тому

    Shattered Memories is the only silent hill game I ever got to play, as a kid no less, and as most horror games it easily scared the crap out of me. I found it strange that, for such a popular franchise, I never saw people discuss it later in my life. While I'm not a silent hill lore enthusiast normally, this video brought some nostalgic memories up!

  • @andromeda1ce
    @andromeda1ce Рік тому

    fantastic video! and lovely pathologic 2 background music :)

  • @HappyHyperHuggieNini
    @HappyHyperHuggieNini 7 місяців тому

    I like the theory that Shattered Memories is (spoilers for the ending of Shattered Memories and general Silent Hill series plot spoilers)
    actually a sequel to Silent Hill 1's worst ending, the one where the game says "hey this whole game was a death dream, Harry died in the car accident back at the start."

  • @sicksalt7765
    @sicksalt7765 Рік тому +1

    I caught that WTNV segment

  • @skollandhati9961
    @skollandhati9961 5 місяців тому +1

    I wish this game would be remastered.

  • @StigmataTickles
    @StigmataTickles Рік тому +2

    I genuinely think Shattered Memories' only fault is that it reused silent hill 1's characters. They very easily could have just used original characters and it would have been much better received by the existing fans. Other than that, 10/10 horror game.

    • @HoneyBat
      @HoneyBat  Рік тому +1

      YEAH!! Trying to force it to tie in to the first game was such an odd choice? And I think it really hurt the game because people then expected something completely different and the characters only really share names with the original. It's such a shame because it was orignally going to have a new cast and be titled Silent Hill Cold Heart and I wonder how that version would have gone down...but it deals with such human fears that it's definitely Silent Hill to me.

  • @jovif.spemudaindonesia1841
    @jovif.spemudaindonesia1841 Рік тому +1

    Keep up the good works 😁

  • @christopherb501
    @christopherb501 2 роки тому +1

    Probably my favorite 'frame story' of all time is, appropriately, The Time Machine.

    • @HoneyBat
      @HoneyBat  2 роки тому

      I really need to get around to reading it! I've seen the 1978 version of the film but the book is on my (ever-growing) list. Someday I'll have time hahaha

  • @acidstrummer
    @acidstrummer Рік тому +1

    Ah! Discworld!

    • @HoneyBat
      @HoneyBat  Рік тому

      Rereading the Tiffany Aching books rn. Terry never gets old ^.^

  • @shadowthinghost
    @shadowthinghost 3 місяці тому +1

    You mentioned Hogfather 🥲.

  • @maarikaaa
    @maarikaaa 3 роки тому +2

    Wow I always assumed Shattered Memories was a remake of SH1. That is definitely NOT that. I guess it's because of the wii that the game mechanics also seem to be more experimental? Just mechanically it seems very interesting, though I've never had a wii so idk what it was like to actually play it.

    • @HoneyBat
      @HoneyBat  3 роки тому +2

      There's a lot of references to the original and many of the same characters in name and role but yeah definitely not a remake!! When I met Dahlia for the first time and she was a rebellious teenager flirting with Harry I was more than a little puzzled XD though I do think they could have just ditched the veneer of the game being similar to SH1 as it doesn't really add anything to the story? There's some neat Easter eggs but I think it would have been better to just start fresh, and that was the original plan too! It was originally conceived as Silent Hill: Cold Heart and we were meant to be in control of a female college student who's talking to her therapist with the same icy otherworld. Maybe they thought it wouldn't sell without heavier links to the earlier games?
      But yeah the controls are a bit hit and miss on the wii but I played a lot of wii games when I was younger so they don't bother me much. Gave it to my partner to try and she walked into everything and had a LOT of camera trouble. But I know they also released it for the ps2 and PSP so those systems might have a little more finesse! I really like controlling the flashlight, I think it's pretty neat having to actually look around and explore like a person would and piecing together stories from objects you find around the place (I loved Fragile Dreams for that and that has the same flashlight mechanic, picking through an apocalypse where everyone put their final memories and wishes into everyday things, oh man I need to write a thing on that one day...)

  • @yourfriendlyneighbourhoodc8475

    Man, Pyrocynical would absolutely love this game

  • @danielhuelsman76
    @danielhuelsman76 Рік тому +1

    Now I'm stumped over the blame game test, who is most at blame for her death?

    • @HoneyBat
      @HoneyBat  Рік тому +1

      It's such an interesting one!! It was definitely my favourite of all the psych tests because once you have the whole story you can go back and REALLY chew on it

    • @danielhuelsman76
      @danielhuelsman76 Рік тому

      @@HoneyBat I want to say the Bull, because it represents random chance, and by extension that can include the unfair state of the world, but that's not a productive mentality to blame the universe, because it's learned helplessness. My second choice would be the Princess for the sake of personal responsibility, but this could lead to believing everything wrong in the world is your fault. This all reminds me of Romeo and Juliet, where it's also debatable if the tragedy is caused by the couple, or the world around them.

  • @sickanimeart428
    @sickanimeart428 27 днів тому

    Nah man THIS IS CINEMA 🥶

  • @josephmatthews7698
    @josephmatthews7698 Рік тому +1

    The irony of your statement is that Roger Ebert famously said games are not 'art' because the medium strips control from the artist to be given to the viewer.
    This has always shown to me a distinct lack of understanding of the gaming medium. No game will or even can give the player anything more than an illusion of freedom. We are always following the path and vision of the creator/s. If you hand me super Mario bros I cannot through force of will or any decisions I make turn it into grand theft auto.
    Games are definitely art and should be protected as such. Your videos are a great service to the people of the future so even if these games are lost they can see the interpretation and impact it had on us as people.

    • @HoneyBat
      @HoneyBat  Рік тому

      YEAH like every kind of story has limits but what they inspire is endless!! And there's SO MUCH you can do when you're playing with the illusion of free-will in games, with expectations, once you've got the audience to suspend their disbelief because you can *feel* it in your hands! This is a story you're literally involved in! And when it's done well you don't feel frustrated by the devs limiting you, you feel frustrated by the world/plot circumstances on behalf of or even as your character. You can understand that story emotionally as yourself and as someone else and that's such a brilliant thing to harness!
      I'm doing a masters degree right now and even though the uni has added ways of referencing podcasts, TV/radio shows and streaming services there's still no guidelines on videogames and a lot of my favourite stories are from games! I think they're slowly becoming more acceptable as story-telling mediums but we're not there yet. I always had to jam them into referencing conventions at undergrad too haha.

  • @SamuraiMujuru
    @SamuraiMujuru Рік тому

    Who let the onion-cutting ghosts in here?!

  • @Simon-et4hu
    @Simon-et4hu 2 роки тому +2

    Insightful as always :) I did not know the reason behind teenage crushes. Being a learning tool to “practice” personnal relationships with less risk makes a lot of sense.
    I think it can be healthy if the object of your crush is a responsible person one can even understand why this behaviour has been naturally selected in people because it makes for more stable relationships and cooperation.
    If the object of the crush is not a responsible person, on the other hand.. Oh god I don’t like the idea. A couple comprising of two victims is hard enough for them. It’s easy to imagine how worse it can get if one of them is supposed to be more responsible, emotionnaly stable and admirable and is not.
    I am not painting a teenage person as a victim here mind you. It is a very vulnerable stage of one’s life. If someone takes advantage of it you are in for a trip to hell.
    It happened around me when I was younger. I even “lost” someone to this kind of situation once. I only see it now in hindsight and thanks to your shining a light on the matter. Very instructional as always I appreciate :)

    • @HoneyBat
      @HoneyBat  2 роки тому +4

      Yeahhh!! I really don't like how adults often view teens, and children for that matter, as adults with some bits missing. They're people with opinions and agency, they're just still learning how to deal with situations that are new to them and the feelings that come with them. Like a toddler screams like it's the end of the world when their favourite toy breaks because that is legitimately the worst thing that has ever happened to them but to an adult, it looks silly. It's just a toy. But it's an honest expression from the child and they don't know how to deal with that loss yet because it's very new. It's a big feeling!
      An adult has had many more close friendships, crushes and romantic relationships than a teenager, of course the teen is gonna be feeling overwhelmed and excited and scared of a big crush! It's all new, they have no reference point and haven't learned how this situation plays out yet and a bunch of teen media these days is really....not helpful in that regard. I hate how quickly teens seem pressured to grow up and mature, or glow up physically either now. There's no room for the awkward tween figuring out what you like and being allowed to be silly with your outfits and making mistakes with your friends. That's seen as childish now and if you're not allowed to experiment with your interests, like trying out new clubs or shows that people think are cringy or whatever, then that part of you gets squashed for no good reason. Also if you make a mistake with serious consequences, like idk, being pressured into shoplifting a chocolate bar or getting caught cheating on a formal exam then you don't know how to deal with that! The first instinct is hide it, deny it and a dig a hole by lying about it so you don't get into trouble with your parents. If you don't make mistakes, how do you grow? And you have to feel safe to experiment or you won't ever try anything that could potentially make you happy.
      When it comes to teen relationships though, it's a really delicate ground. Teens gets crushes on their teachers and other adults all the time but very few of them ever act on it, but in the cases where they do it's the adult's responsibility to shut that right down. They have the power here, and they should never abuse that. It's probably going to be a bit awkward for the adult too when the teen clearly has a crush on them and they don't want to hurt their feelings but, it's still their job to keep that child safe, especially from other adults who would prey on a teen and make them feel wanted and special. I'm really sorry you lost someone to that, it's all too common but it's inexcusable.
      I know the "hot for teacher" trope has been around for a long time but honestly it makes me really uncomfortable when the adult is into it and gets into a relationship with the student. It's often painted as a forbidden fruit or romantic thing but...they're at wildly different life stages developmentally. Between 16ish - mid 20s SO MUCH changes in your life. I'm in my mid 20s now and I can't fathom what I would possibly talk about intimately with an 18 year old, who like, would be a legal adult but we'd have nothing in common. We might like some of the same media or places to go but life experience-wise? I've had so much more time to meet more people away from where I grew up, encounter more opinions and figure out my own, more time to research and develop my interests and more time for lots and lots of mistakes and triumphs. I always felt very grown up through my teens but life is just a series of looking back and realising how little you knew back then, and next year I might look back at this month and think oh damn yeah, she had no idea. And that's exciting!

    • @Simon-et4hu
      @Simon-et4hu 2 роки тому

      @@HoneyBat yeah I agree. As you get older age difference is less of a problem given you are at the same place in your life. I think people in different phases of their lives have no buisness being together because one or both of them will suffer from this difference. I am aware that is a harsh comment and everybody has different experiences. I am not condemning anyone here :)
      As for the teacher crush I think it can be healthy to be turned down by a respectful person and learn rejection that way. However the social and media influences can greatly affect the stability of normal development steps for a human being.
      I am not saying media is bad or that nowadays jt’s worse than before. Butwe already have examples of relationships in our parents, other family and so forth. And yes there is also media with which we need to be careful. Even at a very young age someone carries a bagage of how a relationship should and should not be. I could not know how to deal with all that.
      If someone has their childhood self bent and scarred there’s nothing anyone can do except give them resources, time and support. I can’t count the number of times I failed to do that. Even for myself.
      Sorry for being intense there I guess your videos will do that to me!

  • @cyberpunkramblings4564
    @cyberpunkramblings4564 3 роки тому +3

    I really like this take on the game, fantastic work. The story definitely makes more sense as an adult.

    • @HoneyBat
      @HoneyBat  3 роки тому +1

      Thank you! And it definitely does! A lot of it is about looking back when you have the tools and experience to unpack everything I think. Also on a less serious note when I first played it as a teen I didn't have a TV in my room so I was playing all these horror games in the living room, sometimes with my parents around or dipping in and out of the room, so I was trying to desperately avoid looking at any of the titties and always skipped that last Dahlia boat cutscene because it was awkward af 😅

    • @cyberpunkramblings4564
      @cyberpunkramblings4564 3 роки тому

      @@HoneyBat Yeah the endings definitely hit different as an adult. I totally get that! They at least cut the boat scene short before it got too spicy. I never stared at any breasts in the game if you'll believe that but my mom did walk into my room during one the chase scenes and the controls are so busted my mom was looking at me flailing my arms around like wat xD

  • @user-we8rx3sy4j
    @user-we8rx3sy4j 9 місяців тому +1

    Man, I wonder if you’ll ever come back..

  • @EmoLad95
    @EmoLad95 9 місяців тому +1

    Does anyone know what the anime that appears on screen at 4:11 is called? It looks very familiar but I can't place it.

  • @BurnBluefireK
    @BurnBluefireK Рік тому

    folsense :)

  • @irinore
    @irinore 3 роки тому

    Hold on what discworld book was that?

    • @HoneyBat
      @HoneyBat  3 роки тому

      It was from the end of Hogfather when Death is talking with Susan ^.^ Used the clips of Death from the 2007 TV adaptation which is definitely worth watching if you've not seen it! Very true to the book, and that speech is one of my favourite passages

    • @irinore
      @irinore 3 роки тому

      Oh no I was asking about the book you read at the start and end of the video. I am well familiar with the Hogfather movie, it's a christmas tradition in my family actually. (It really made my day to just suddenly out of nowhere see it in a Silent Hill video! Btw)

    • @HoneyBat
      @HoneyBat  3 роки тому

      @@irinore ahhh, it's Lords and Ladies! It was the first one I ever read and I even managed to get it signed! I finally finished all the Discworld books this year and I'm definitely planning on rereading the Witch series. I aspire to be Granny Weatherwax but I fear I'm more a Magrat XD

    • @irinore
      @irinore 3 роки тому

      Ah I haven't read that one yet! I do want to get into the witch series more, I finished Wyrd Sisters this christmas, but now I'm reading Reaper Man because I can't get enough of Death.
      I'm sure all Weatherwaxes have been Magrats at some point in their lives