2023 Polaris Patriot Boost INDY VR1 Detailed Overview
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Luke gives you a first look at the 2023 Polaris Indy VR1 featuring the factory 2-stroke Patriot Boost engine.
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Middle of supply chain issues and everything else going on in the world and Polaris, not having to, gives us a 900cc twin, boosted trail and crossover sleds and a new 4 stroke…. Talk about keeping your foot on the gas!!!!! Pretty exciting release!!!
Huh? More supply chain issues? Lol
i forgot about the release today and my buddy sent me a message asking me what polaris has been doing the last 2 years. and well my answer was the same thing as the rest of the world at home with to much time and with engineers like polaris has that both a great and bad combination at the same time and we all know polaris loves giving the rest of the industry the perverbial finger. coming out with a 2.0l sxs and now a 4 stroke snowmobile, tossing the boost into a category we never expected and a 900 factoy mod engine which is the best way to explain it because the only way to really mod it at this point is to throw a turbo on it and we all know they will do it at some point.
And all of these sleds won’t get to consumers tell next march
Being a Ski Doo guy i gotta say Polaris has my attention with this Matrix chassis.
Gotta say this release sure beats the snot outta "ninja turtles". Lovin the VR1 boost, sounds like the ticket, We will see.
U may love the front end handling and the power, but if u love the Rmotion, this rides nothing like it. The Shocks on Polaris sleds are garbage, specially the VR1
Its annoying video after video reading all these comments. Why cant anyone just be happy we have two awesome sled manufacturers.. I've owned both Polaris and Ski-Doo. Ill continue to by both, while you all act like in high schoolers arguing.🤣🤣🤣
It’s annoying and funny. People are really dim at the end of the day lol
The Polaris release was exciting!!! I’m very impressed and can’t wait to see real world testing. I don’t know what I like better…Polaris is definitely serious about the snowmobile market and is basically saying “game on”!!! I love to see the manufacturers keep pushing the limits!!!! Now if Yamaha and Arctic Cat would wake up and do the same….
Exactly. I REALLY HOPE Cat is able to get away from Yammy completely and do their own thing. Competition amongst brands is a good thing and I believe Cat still has a lot of good years in them...Yamaha on the other hand..(wished that would change too)..
@@208SledHead get away from Yamaha? They are pretty much just supplying an engine in return for a Cat branded as Yamaha. Yamaha has pretty much left the industry already, just supplying motors like Honda does in small engine equipment. Darn good motors though.
Polaris,.......... TAKE MY MONEY 🤑🤑🤑
Thank you Polaris for putting me in more debt lol
Stupid fast? You just described the future buyer of this sled. Insurance will be going up as accidents increase because of these sleds.
Lmao oooookay
Hahaha stick to board games pal
Break out your old Atari stay home then, moving on,
@@pajamatime5750 Riding 50+ years! And you skippy?
@@oldwrench4213 35 years. But I wouldn’t call the buyer of this sled “stupid” as you did… A responsible rider isn’t stupid and can easily handle what the boost produces…. If you think you can’t hurt yourself on a 550, 600 or 800 just as bad as this sled then maybe the enticer you’ve been riding for 50 years is what you should stick to! I highly doubt there will be an epidemic of collisions and instance claims because of the boost…. Yamaha and Cat have had 200+HP for a few years now!!!
Polaris your crazy. Awesome to push the industry when everyone was wondering what’s next. Factory boost on a trail sled. This thing is going to be insane!!
I’d like to see it wide open down a lake for 5 miles or more. Also the 2000 + Mach z ran on radar 130 mph this vr1 definitely not the fastest production sled ever
Just a thought - is it wise to post a video of yourself at times doubling the speed limit of 50km/h on a public trail? Seems to me folks get busted for this all the time in sports cars etc. also reminder to everyone - please stay on your side of the trail and if you can’t see around a corner or a hill just assume my 13 year old son is there and slow down a bit. Cheers!
While we're filming we take precautions such as closing off these sections of trails, using private property that we've been given access to and always have spotters at either end to stop any traffic. Usually we put up the disclaimer outlining that, which you mohave seen in our other videos. In this video it appears we did not add the disclaimer, but note that the same precautions were applied.
Wow you really need “professional rider on a closed course” to remind you they close trails when they film??? One time they go flying and don’t put that on the screen and someone’s gotta cry. Don’t worry, there’s no way ST is racing at that speed down the middle of an open trail…. They’re clearly extremely responsible and take their image seriously….
@@snowtrax good to know. Honestly I wouldn’t have read any disclaimers anyway lol. Was more just curious is all.
@@pajamatime5750 I mostly am on the same page as you however UA-cam is full of armchair cowboys, real happy to see this is a professional production - I’m a fan of these guys.
@@waynejohnstone3685 Yeah. While I don’t know them personally, I’ve been reading their magazines and watching the TV show for decades…. They’re not the type of people to put others at risk driving like idiots for a UA-cam audience…. That I know.
Can’t wait to see this thing lined up with a NA Polaris 850 and the BRP 850!
This Ditch rider has always rode Artic cats but I’m going to buy this sled, I snowchecked it last night.
2 stokes can’t boost like 4 strokes, the compression stroke on 4 stroke is key to make high PSI in combustion chamber. 2 strokes by natures are much simpler and not as ideal to make high pressure, very little time to boost combustion chamber once you pass exhaust port. None the less, still very cool to have a boosted 2 stroke trail sled!
I can’t believe I’m saying this …. It almost feels odd to say ….. But I’m ordering a Polaris for 2023. What an absolute sexy weapon!
Engine reliability?
KABOOOOOOOMMMM!!!!!!
Who the hell wants a "mellow" hyper sled? Lol. The entire reason I enjoy my turbo Cat is the power on demand. I want torque NOW, not think about it and have it delivered.
Its just the trend, Polaris can add 20 pounds and get credit for it, any Yamaha or Cat that sheds 20 pounds are ridiculed and deemed undriveable. Like most trends it doesnt stem from objectivity or facts.
Who cares what the fastest machine is, when you have something turbocharged, you have something that you can bet will be on another level of performance. Any engine with forced induction will produce more power per litre. And altitude will not have any effect whatsoever. You can be sure you will have plenty of power throughout the operating range.
Let’s see it against a Thundercat or SRX
I’m a skidoo guy, I will say that is a good looking machine, I also will say good job to Polaris to think of a simple boost gauge on a performance turbo sled, I bought to ‘22 Mach Z and that is something skidoo dropped the ball on…
Will it make it past 1,000km before the engine blows
The Patriot motors are running strong man I dunno what you're talking about. The rental places in W. Yellowstone and Island Park are getting over 4k a YEAR on them!
@@208SledHead Yeah the narrative that Polaris engines are bombs died with the intro of the 2015 800 HO. Since then, while having minor issues here and there, the engines have been far stronger and more reliable. Just trolls think they all blow up before 1,000kms. That’s all.
@@pajamatime5750 Or maybe it's because you can get a Sidewinder with more thrust and have it last over 20k without blowing up the motor? I'm very interested in this sled but if it can't break at least 10k without a tear down I'm not sure it's the sled for me. I can't wait to try one out though.
@@canucktheory3271 It’ll always be a non comparison between 2 strokes and 4 strokes as far as longevity goes…. What I’m saying is the thought that all Polaris’s blow up before 1,000 miles isn’t true anymore
Nope it won’t. Don’t forget 40 or 50 spark plugs too before it blows
I definitely don't like the non hi low speed adjuster front shocks,it's one of the most critical adjustments as far as handling for different conditions!! Necessary not an option....On a VR 1 it should be standard....
These shocks are Garbage, they aren't Hi/Low adj, even the XCR Hi/Low shocks aren't that good until u send them out 2 or 3 times to get valving and springs dialed in. Polaris and Walker Evans are Lost when it comes to shocks for average 180-210lb guy The Fox shocks they put on the floor model sleds are better then these Walker Evans junk
Its hard to take people serious, now suddenly 20 pounds extra is no big deal. Thats pretty hilarious after all these years where Polaris has been hailed for shedding a few pounds. We have to remember that improved power to weight ratio is worthless, thats according to Polaris boys in comment sections, low weight is all that matters, no amount of power can make up for extra weight. Now all Polaris fans has to proclaim that Polaris is going out of business and that they are impossible to drive. You know, the same kind of crisis maximising that Yamaha has been victim to for many years, having the most power doesnt help. I didnt say it, just reminding those who been crying like babies over it, dont stop now.
For the rest of us, its a good reminder that brand bashing is lame and how inconsequent the brand fanboys are. I admit i do the same, i believe that provocations is a good way to make fanboys see inside themselves. And why stop now, Hey guys, remember to mention that boost to the Yamaha driver who tows you home next time.
You have issues lol. It’s just a snowmobile, man. 😂
I’m not trying to be sarcastic here but what’s the point of a boost on a trail sled??? Seems kinda ridiculous
Soooo awesome.
I really wanted to Spring order this year but the price point on a 2-stroke is out of this world I'll get a sidewinder and put it on a diet
22,500$ for a switchback assault with a turbo is incredible and even the 650 is still a boat load of money to hand over
Canadian the boosted Khaos is over $24,000 MSRP.
How much money you gonna spend on that Sidewinder trying to drop 100lbs. though??
@@208SledHead I sure will not be buying a sidewinder but I can imagine A LOT.
Too bad their junk
lol a million miles>? Polaris non turbo 850's cant last for 2,000 miles or less.
I just can’t get my head around spending another $5k for 15-18hp! I mean, I’m sure it’s a blast to ride but, that’s a LOT of extra coin for a flatland sled where you don’t get the boost advantage as much.
Plus u are getting Polaris worst shocks on the VR1, Theyvare complete garbage! You'll spend more time and money revalving and springs trying to make it ride like it should if u are more then 160-170lbs, Polaris and Walker Evans are Lost in the shock category! Completely Lost!
8k
If it is only a 15-18 hp increase, it doesn't seem like a lot compared to an aftermaket exhaust.. BUT I swear there are some aftermarket exhaust cans that give you weight reduction of 10 pounds along with 10+ hp. Don't get me wrong 18 hp is a lot! I like the boost, but I just find the turbo lacking.
Did I see that thing hit 123mph?!?
998 is still king. They can easily hit 340HP. And no, the lighter 2 stroke ain't keeping up.
King of the Litter Box .. I agree
The Genesis is intimidating and beta males are in self preservation mode and will not admit its superiority.
Not on the actual trails
@@cranjismcbasketball343 A 600 will beat 850's in the tight trails. The ProCross still wins its share of USXC and ISOC flatland racing events to this day, and since 2012 its won the majority. The Polaris lifts the inside ski too much and the Doo G4 is too front end heavy. All that 'the Poo and Doo have a better chassis' bullcrap flies out of the window when it comes to pushing them to their limits on trails and flatland racing.
@@burnzillablue funny how you mention the racing version instead of the one you were talking about. That being said I disagree, have ridden both. My xc compared to my xcr was a little tippy after I studded it compared to the xcr
Cant wait to get my Assault Boost and line it up beside my Mach Z! Gonna be interesting to compare the two on the trails as well. Let me know if you guys want to do a shoot out id be happy to bring em over and hit the trails with you guys. Mike Heino Jr. TSI
I'm interested to see how this holds up vs the Sidewinder not just in speed but also reliability.
The numbers are already in Sidewinders favour before adding the boost, and it isnt going to get better, esp when people start to figure out ways to improve the boost. Then again, reliability isnt important to all, and the absence of spare parts for new Polaris models is actually productive, they can sit and make more youtube comments while the non-boosted boys are out in the snow.
It will be fast like hell I bet bit will never be as reliable a sidewinder. I've seen some already with 25k km on them, mines been dead reliable boosted to 300 but mostly on 270..now have 10k km.
Wondering if Polaris locked the ECU down? I am betting the answer is yes for warranty reasons. Someone will make an unlocked ECU much like Hurricane did for the Mach Z turbo. If and when that happens and the boost goes up I expect to see these engines scatter. Just basics physics, 2 strokes are more temperamental to burns downs.
@@pflaffik jealousy soaking through your clothes
We will be pulling more guys off of trees for sure !!
It makes no difference a 650 can kill you just as quick! You can’t fix stupid inexperienced riders who have no Buisness even riding a 500cc snowmobile ....
@@Conan-ny1um 💯 correct Conan!
@@Conan-ny1um your right there
Why, oh why, oh why can you not get this boost in an XCR??!! 🤷♂️🤦♂️🤷♂️🤦♂️
Let them figure this thing out before putting in the xcr. It's common to soft launch new tech just to make sure it's in full working order.
I have a Polaris now. Had an Arctic Cat and a Ski Doo. Out of the three, the Polaris is my favorite but the Ski Doo was very close. The Cat was fast. I love the snow sports and would be happy on anything I could ride including a Yamaha.
Great review Luke I like the all black also looks angry! Not sure how much time you have on it but was wonder how fun of a sled to ride is it? You stated on your lynx re review that it was the most fun sled you have ever ridden how does this sled compare on the fun factor I know it's faster with the turbo but does it have you grinning the hole time you ride it?
Every 2-stroke I've ever ran AV Gas (Stihl Moto Mix especially) absolutely loved it. AV Gas tune on a 137" VR1, 2-Stroke Nirvana!
You can also get the Polaris boost turbo on an assault model.
Yup.
Polaris really took the hype out of the skidoo gen 5 chassis this year. Also the GEN five doesn’t even come on the skidoo back country 146 this year and then you look at what Polaris has offer on the 146 assault and the two sleds don’t even compare
@@snowtrax , but not west of the Mississippi this year , per my conversions with dealers out west here
I love that Polaris has a turbo 2 stroke trail sled. I thought for sure doo would have dropped a turbo trail sled this year.
You will have some some brand loyal riders trying out the new Polaris turbo.
Great Vid lots of options from both Ski Doo and Polaris and Lynx has more options for the North American market as well so 2023 has a lot of firsts for both the industry and the sport.
Thanks for the run down. 🤙🤙🤙
Got mine snow check already
Snowtrax guys have the best job in the world.
Hopefully parts are available for when the recalls start happening. Nobody likes stop ride orders and waiting 3 months or more for parts!
What is that vibrating rattle when the revs go up?
Annoying.
poor design, a 2-stroke engine shouldn't even exist in 2022.?? it's good for a chainsaw.?
What’s the rattle sound on rev up? Sounds like rod play
It's not a Rotax..??😆
All this new stuff and they still can’t fix their sleds issues. Wonder how many of these will blow up from the gas tank going
Out of like several hundred thousand in the recall I think it was like 30 units reported. Still enough to spark the recall.
How often do you have to rebuild the Turbo?
Getting one just for the wife fun factor.
Wait till people get insurance quotes.
The problem with saying fastest production sled is how fair can u make it? Sidewinder vs this, is the track length going to be the same percentage longer as the weight difference percentage? If u get both to dead hook somehow my guess is they would be close till about 50 mph then the torque of the four stroke is still going to pull away pretty good. 0-100 should be a few lengths. Jmo I’m sure I’m wrong. Looking forward to seeing the video of some drag racing, maybe bring in a Mach z too just because...👍
4 stroke might have the torque, but it also has the weight.
@@208SledHead Im noting that you and most others chose to ignore the added 20 pounds of the boost.
@@pflaffik I'm not ignoring that at all. Even with the 2 stroke being 20 lbs heavier, the 4 stroke still outweighs it. And not by a little either.
@@208SledHead yeah it actually is by a little. The 850NA is lighter than a sidewinder by about 60-80lbs So adding a 900 and a turbo to the deal brings you at about 40 lbs lighter than a 4 stroke. This isn't the early 2,000s, look up your facts on weight of a 4 stroke. The torque of a 4 stroke will pull your arms off from 0 till it tops out. Weight isn't a factor in this race.
A sleeper sled … 🤨🧐. Love it !!!
How about talking about all the breakdons, recalls, and very poor production quality.
Wow Polaris is bringing it this year, did Skidoo just get caught with there pants down?... That VR1 is gonna sell like crazy!
a 2-stroke engine will always be mechanical from the 70s, unreliable, polluting. It's not really a great innovation.??
I'm amazed and disappointed that these "detailed" overviews never get really technical. I'd wager to say there are plenty of us gearheads out here that would love to see these sleds with their covers removed so we can see HOW they're put together, laid out and what looks to be strong or weak. Enough about the looks.
AND guess what... technical specs would help. Invest in a scales for weight and balance. Three would work, one under each ski and one in the back. How about a tape measure for maybe length, width, seat and bar height? Can you imagine?
I have already called my dealer to put money down. Rode a friend's XCR this winter and fell in love.
XCR is a great sled.
Means nothing of it’s unreliable
Wow very good take! Thanks for the insight
Will it beat the sidewinder
Two strokes don't last as it is. What's the life expectancy of this motor?
6yr warranty??
Exactly as if we need faster sleds the trails are already full of broken off tree in just about every corner from to much speed already so give them a sled that can go 120 mph stock. But if people are willing to pay over 20k for a sled like this that probably wont last very long engine wise that's their money they are throwing away.
That’s what everyone needs on the trails. Lol.
Make sure you fill it up on gas before a lake run, or you're not going to make it back. This thing is a PIG on fuel. You're going to need the biggest spare gas can you can possibly fit on the back. Especially if you want to go any distance on a trail. For an idea you will get around 5 mpg on average. If you ride slowly you can see up to around 7-9 mpg. It can be as low as 3 mpg if you are hard on it.
Wow a new sport by Polaris…..
High speed ice fishing 🎣!!!!
120mph across a lake….KaaaaBOOM
A pile of fish 🐠 🐟
AND guess what... technical specs would help. Invest in a scales for weight and balance. Three would work, one under each ski and one in the back. How about a tape measure for maybe length, width, seat and bar height? Can you imagine?
I was told the Patriot boost uses the 650 crank. Seems a bit far fetched. Can anyone shed any light? Seems odd to not just use the 850 crank especially after adding all that torque.
i smell a thicking time bomb , im suprised they did not use the rzr turbo engine at 180hp and join the 4t turbo war again doo yam/cat , that being said im sure that engine vs the rzr engine weight would be within 20-30 lbs ....wich is noting to argue about in the weight department due to the fact that it would be 2cyl 2t turbo vs 2 cyl 4t turbo apples vs apples , not 2cyl 2t vs 3cyl 4t apples to oranges....... just my 2 cents!
OMG that thing is sick nice job Polaris
To bad they didn't offer it with Fox Shocks, cause those Shocks on the VR1 are Complete Junk!
2023 dreaming and they didn't even deliver all the Spring purchased 2022, forget Polaris.
I think that's why every engine stops making hp.. because they can't pull in anymore O2..😆
I, did not know this sled existed.
Not many people did until 4pm CST today!!
so is it tnow concidered the fastest production sled now?
I would like to get the Sled. Only need the Money from some place .It would be a bast!!
It makes me wonder if next year skidoo will put the 180 horsepower turbo R on a trail sled, and will it have a changed torque and power curve so it doesn't just instantly over wheelie?
Wheelies are fun though
Don’t wonder anymore. Skidoo and Polaris have been at each other’s throats forever always trying to one up each other…. Now that Polaris has a flatland turbo skidoo, almost for certain, will as well…. Not sure if they’ll go the 900cc route but they’ll definitely bring the turbo R to the trials now that it provides boost at sea level unlike the first iteration of their factory turbo…. Good times!! Expensive times, but good times!! Haha
How's jumping with it?
Ski Doo's unsymetrical hoods on their turbo sleds drive me absolutely insane. Not only are they ugly but they're lopsided.
💯
$23500 canadian, before tax. Electric start adds another 600.
Another wonderful video gents!!
cat guy here but seems to me they’re sleepin at the wheel so I spring checked a 850 VR1 non turbo. hope it’s not a mistake ! or now watch cat come out with a new chassis and 800+ two stroke. Oh well , ges let them work out the bugs then I might be back, who knows 🤷♂️
You won’t be back. I put over 4000k on my 2022 XC 850 last year. That thing was a rocket…such a blast to ride! Snowchecked the VR1 as well for this year….can’t wait! Awesome sleds, enjoy!
This is nice that they push the industry to take more risks and do exciting stuff👌 (hoping to see more lynx videos)❤️
Lol no way it'll beat a sidewinder with reliability. And I guess I don't care about speed cuz from factory you can crank up a sidewinder to 325hp with a little tune. Yamaha still owns the lakes and always will.
Who gives a f. It’s a snowmobile, not life or death. 😂
I have a new Matrix sled coming for model year 23'. I know it's not recommended but am I able to run the mineral blue oil through this sled? I believe it to have more benefits than drawbacks. Would this void any warranty of mine?
KABOOOOOOOMMMM!!!!!!!
Can't wait to put a million miles on this thing, lol, you forgot it's still a Polaris.
Sounds like something is rattling whence you Rev it up
I like the new headlights on this bad boy! That sucker has to be fast
The word "Boost" is probably meant to be subtle. Makes it a sleeper.
I live in fort Lauderdale why am I here
Got the itch...
Just wanna stay I love watching all your reviews on all the stuff you do you do a great job!!!
Bikeman dynoed the boost stock last year and it was pulling 195 hp no problem....
Bikemans dyno numbers are a little high though across the board, using the skidoo as a reference since they claim hp, skidoo said 165 for the gen4 turbo and bikeman saw 178. So I'd say gotta take 10-15hp off thier numbers to match what the manufacturers see
Volumetric efficiency would go up if you got rid of the ports and pistons
All that technology in it, and no electric start.
A shed salesman 🤣🤣 that’s funny stuff right there , thanks snotrax !
Aww that polaris air box bogg. Well they need a turbo to keep up with mxzx 850s. I have 12,500km on my 2020 mxzx 850. My buddies brand new vr1 matrix 850 still can't keep up to it. Both 129inch tracks. He has studs. On cochrane trails. Skidoo still wins. Nice to see the step to the turbo trail sled tho. Can't wait to see what skidoo howls back with.
Living on borrowed timed if your motored hasn’t popped yet and it will.
Every 850 doo I've raced from mxz to machz I've gapped with my xcr 850
@@christopherbita8045 that's not true.
Just bought a pro rmk 650, hope to see you at snowtrax get one to try out
Just got the call for my snow check mines on the way lol
Great video
looks great....except those dopey headlights
Sold!!!
These trails look like west Yellowstone
Sounded like it had a fouled plug at the end
Black on black on slate black.
Arctic cat got some real stepping up to do!!
Are those Quebec trails you are riding on? They look extremely familiar
Trails surrounding West Yellowstone.
I snow checked mine in all red.