TURBO SLED SHOOTOUT! Ski Doo Renegade Turbo R vs Arctic Cat Thundercat!!
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- We know you've been dying for us to give you a shootout between the SRX and the Mach Z. Unfortunately we ran out of snow in the spring and couldn't complete a race and sadly we don't have them on the ground now BUT we do have a 2022 Ski-Doo Renegade Turbo R and a 2022 Arctic Cat Thundercat! Here's how it went down between these two turbo beasts...
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Brand loyalty is the dumbest thing you can do with snowmobiles. They all have good sleds and bad sleds. I've had all of the brands. They are all very fun and sometimes in different ways.
I don't think it's "dumb" I mean the only reason it might be to you is because your technically knowledgeable enough to be able to decifer each sled individually, but another person without that knowledge can only go based upon there previous experiences with this or that brand... Even if they are semi confident in there knowledge, spending big money on a new sled , ya need that brand loyalty to give confidence to buyers and potential buyers.
100 percent right ✅️
No studs, brand new, not surprised at all with these speeds. This brings me back to when they used to race the sleds head to head in tests... Miss those days. Lol
Man, still slow for that “supposed” hardware. Kinda limp. Pretty sure my CFR would mop em both. Wouldn’t be the first time.
"I did have a 6 inch sub" I was laughing so hard I almost fell out of my chair! Great job boys! If I line up beside my buddies sled, it doesn't matter who's wearing what, or how much gas is in each sled, who ever loses hears about it for the rest of the day! You guys are definitely being fair in the comparison.
Thanks David!! 🤘👊💥
Love both of those sleds, can't go wrong with either one. Little surprised on the top speeds, not really impressive for the top dog machines.
Simply gearing, clutch and rpm.... top speed doesn't indicate a lot. How fast they get there does.
@@chrisu3039 Agreed, but then you get into the dilemma of quickest vs fastest.
My old 900cc Cat triple with just clutching runs consistently 113.6mph on GPS
Sounds about right. Couple passes in a hay field on my 2013 apex , GPS says 98. On a radar run hard packed trail the ol girl clocked 116. Not bad for the nat aspirated 4cyl. Gotta love the R1 motor
They are great when it’s cold. I ran a couple last year! Yammie should have gave them a good skid and suspension…
Arcticcat has always had the best looking sleds.
Finally a video where polaris isn't god and let the real gods of the snowmobile industry flex real mussel lol kidding great video guys honest and fare keep up the good work.
Good job guys.
I kinda like the “dream a meter” makes me happy. 😃
Fun video! You may have burst a few top speed bubbles out there. 🤣🤣
Big power having big fun. Thanks for the entertainment this morning.
Excellent job guys. FWIW I think this has been your best season of TV ever. On another note am I the only one who thinks that when skidoo had 5 years to build a faster sled it's a bit pathetic that they didn't? This channel isn't the only one getting results where the 998 is faster.
Well the 998 is 99cc bigger! Don't forget that factor either!
@@edge7074 In that case they were stupid to build it with that small of a displacement. Clearly this engine was built to squarely compete against the 998.
thanks for taking the time and effort to test these sleds. Skidoo done amazing given the displacement deficiency.
Cheers! keep up the good work
That 900R sounds awesome on the deceleration.
Its like music. I want to record it and listen to it while I fall asleep. Lol
Love these head to head shootouts!
Great test using the Dragy. Been using them for years and they are extremely accurate for mph and drag runs. So definitely fair use to collect data.
Looks like a great day at the office, cheers!
I like the real world comparison of the 2 I honestly thought the Cat (yamaha) would be faster by a bigger margin very interesting. Great video.
The TCat would continue to pick up more speed with more passes.
Four-strokes go faster and faster the more you run them two-strokes run the best the first couple runs
Cool video. You could tell you guys where having alot of fun.
Next review Tim's vs Subway for lunch 😆
Take care guys, keep up the good work. Let's all get out and enjoy the snow!!
That speedo error is identical to my sled. 112 mph, 102-103 gps
Right on guys, thats a cool comparison video, keep em comin'!
Very cool beginning to the video … well done AJ and Luke 👍 👍.
Glad you enjoyed it!
998 SRX!! mike drop!! All you need to know!!! As far as the Mach Z don't wast your time!!
Thanks guys great video and it shut my buddy up who was claiming he got 135 out of his Ski Don't. Maybe if it was on a trailer being towed by a Viper.
have to believe the windshield makes a big difference. At those speeds air resistance is enormous
you guys have identical voices its crazy.
I'm happy with the results.
I ride a 900 ace turbo and use a speedo app on my phone and it too showed the speedo is way off.
I've been riding for 35 years and I have heard so much talk about how fast riders sleds are. Nice to finally have the truth out there.
Good fair shoot out. Track path definitely plays a huge factor. Imagine if you had a trail drag to smooth out a path the day prior? I bet both sleds would run solid 110-112 GPS on pack.
The path we were running was super hard by the time we were done. Other than some slush spots but they didnt factor into the top speeds I dont think.
@@pavmentsurfer13 it makes sense. The rated power out put sides in favor of the cat. This seems to confirm it. At least on the long lake run.
I wouldn't expect anything less from snow trax when testing a Ski-Doo.
Whenever a Ski-Doo gets beat, they perfrom the test utill the Ski-Doo wins or can post a closer result.
And here I thought we were biased toward Polaris... Go figure!
99 problems........ but kissing Ski-Doo's ( | ) isn't one of them.
Alright where do I send my resume? Lol I am seriously jealous! You guys rock! And have the best job in the world! Id be happy with either sled!
Nice video. A head to head race woulda been fun to watch
Great video guys. Remember haters will hate and cry babies will cry. I bet there will be or already are the "well my slid does this on GPS" or "No way this sled is only that much faster than that sled" the best one is the guys who are like "it's sponsored by so and so" because the brand they like isnt as or not much faster than other brands.
Pretty much!! Thanks for the kind words.
Great review guys well done. Great commentary
Great test. A little surprised that they are not a lot faster. About 20 years ago, my 93 Thundercat with Hooper racing 1050 (mid 190's HP) trail engine did a radar checked 113 mph in less than ideal conditions on Rangley lake Maine. Max studded track. (240 ?) I think that many studs slowed it down quite a bit. Also M-10 skid slowed it down. Engine was always completely reliable. Still have it.
The zr 900 is a no joke sled still hard to beat and f7 certain years are bad to
Was the m10 a big difference for trails?
@@brucebanner2039 Yes. Night and day compared to the stock skid. Don't know how it compares to modern day skids bu6 it is a "falling rate" suspension.
That many studs and M-10 you lost 8 to9 mph ,the first year the M-10 was out the cat dealer by me put in 9 or 10 everyone loved them until they found out they lost the speed the next year they only put in 2
Thats what I thought too. Was still learning what worked at the time. Fact is the M10 was a comfort skid for trail riding and it was far better than the stock skid. So what your saying is that with say half the amount of studs and a stock skid the sled would be as fast or faster than the current "fast" sleds. Most of my riding was on long trail rides as is most riding. @@dickjohnson22dp
Wow, very surprised by the results. Honestly much slower than I thought but still way faster than many would ever ride on the trails.
Remember, the speedo on these sleds are showing 108-110mph.
Also the conditions might not be good for top speed.
1998 Thundercats stock hit 120MPH
@@KTMsoldier1988 indicated top speed sure. That about 103-105 on a gps or radar
@@mikegirard2920 it holds the record for fastest stock sled at the NSSR.
Seems like any modern turbo sled isn't giving you your monies worth. Nice video and very honest. For the price of one, I think you're better off with a 650/850 non turbo sled.
I think you have to judge what you are looking for out of a sled with consideration to riding style. You'll get your money's worth if you are in the right situation.
@@hworkmaniv88 For the price these sleds are offered at, I think the performance isn't quite up to expectations. 200hp is a selling feature. But a 90hp with a 90mph top end says that the 8000 dollars difference isn't worth it. I would keep the 8 grand and be happy with 90mph.
@@oldwrench4213 Safety and Regulation man. The only thing they are doing is making your 0-100mph go by a lot faster. But four strokes are also better on fuel, emissions, and in the reliability department. You will probably see +20k miles out of a four stroke so sure the cost is up front but I’d love to see an 850 hit 20k without substantial maintenance.
@@oldwrench4213 top speed isn't everything. Throttle response and being able to pin it at any speed and instantly rush forward is amazing and worth every penny. You do not need to go over 100mph to enjoy every ounce of performance out of even a 200hp engine.
@@Freneticburn Agree. It is the perception of 200hp and the perceived illusion of big mph. As a rider for 50+ years, I prefer a lightweight, well handling sled with good corner to corner response. Hence why the ACE sleds seem a real value for the formentioned parameters.
My Garmin Nuvi works awesome. With the Topomaps it's still the best gps.
Nice to see the real numbers. Now let's see the 2 strokes. Polaris 850 vs the rest.
Polaris suck for speed, fuel and oil consumption
@@krisi.2011 the fuel and oil consumption yes. But speed, I think you are wrong, if stock they beat most skidoos and arctic cats.
Edit: and Yamaha isn't much of a competitor without a major 2 stroke sled.
My sons 850 Polaris beats my Ski Doo. So let's find out the real numbers.
@@stevencaughlin2900 new ,Astrid chassis and 850 is fast I just bought the xcr love it 175 hp fastest sled I’ve had . Beats my buddies thunder at up to 100 mph . Roll race he takes me but not by much . Xrs skidoo vs the xcr is close but I beat it by a walking speed always . Polaris pulls ha4d off the line xcr can’t be beat . Just studded mind now so should be a rocket ship.
Every year in New York State they have a shoot out test with dyno testing and grass drag runs. The two categories are out of the box and dealer prepped.
Here’s an excerpt from a recent test:
Not-So-Twin Turbos
The Turbo class included two sleds this year - an Arctic Cat ZR 9000 Thundercat and a Ski-Doo Renegade 900 ACE Turbo. They are marketed to different classes of riders and fall in different power categories, so this isn’t exactly a fair fight, but it’s interesting to see the numbers for their own merit.
Both had 137-inch tracks with 1.25-inch lugs. On the Dyno-Tech dyno, the lake-racer oriented Thundercat spun up an even 200 hp, while the trail cruiser Renegade 900 ACE Turbo logged 160 - putting it more in line with the 800-850 class.
Obviously the TCat came in with the highest speed. In 600 and 1000 feet.
As I said, traction is the issue.
Both very nice and fast machines. Too bad you didn’t have the new SRX on hand anyway, I wanted to ask you guys as to why you do not cool the turbo down after high-speed runs isn’t that hard on the turbo bearings I always let my turbo cool down for at least 20 to 30 seconds after a hot run, anyway guys keep up the good work,always like to watch your videos
I think this is the first time I’ve seen someone use a dragy on a snowmobile it would be sweet to get it on some hard pack with studs and see what it’s 0 to 60 times are, maybe sub 4s?
Nice job. Pretty sure that a windshield is going to make a significant difference.
You guys are the best show out there keep up good work!
Thanks Aaron!!
Wild considering I had a 99' zr 600 that did 105 on radar, granted it was on ice but still 22 years later still not much faster.
Had an 01 zr 600 that pulled 105mph consistently with a 270lb rider
Did you guys notice any difference with high speed stability between the sleds?
Brave of you guys to go that fast in those light conditions.
Idk why i watched this, i am NOT a speed demon. Lol i like cornering, carving and jumps. I was on the trail a few days ago, feeling like im going a little fast, and i look down to see im going 50mph as i let off the throttle. A 600 is plenty for me and sometimes too much 🤣
Great video guys!! Basically they’re both the same, other than the Skidoo looks, rides, and handles better!!!lol! The only thing that’s NOT FAIR; you’re out ripping on the lake, and I’m building kitchen cabinets!! Thanks again for the Excellent comparo!! Enjoy making Sno dust, while I’m making sawdust!!
The speedo could be a little off because that’s measuring power being given but not all of that gets to the ground, spin and a few other small things could play roles. Just some thoughts on that stuff.
Nothing gets your hair standing on your arms when you hear these sleds ripping by on camera, even more so in person!
Excellent piece. About as objective as can be. Result as I expected. Good to hear they were both broke in too. Factory speedo’s….comical really. Some Doo speedo’s would show 118mph & that was the 800! Would have been nice to have an SRX in the mix. I hear the ‘22 has a speed edge on the ‘21. A bit of a subtle factory game going on there annually between the SRX & TCat for honours.
great honest video, thanks again guys.
Great work fellas.
That’s the proper way to compare any machine straight out of the box. 3 mph would not deter me one way or the other. But the Doo is a much nicer looking machine. Great 👍 Comparison fellas. 👍👍👍
Nice job as always guys. Still cant quite get myself into the 4 stroke camp yet. I'll take my 850 and you can have the lake battle. And BTW I think Mark would have kicked butt on both of you.
If you are trail riding and especially if you want to Mod your sled, 4 stroke all the way. Now me, I love my Turbo Alpha in the Mountains. Now don't get me wrong, I just bought my GF a 2022 Summit,850 Turbo, , 165,3in with the Expert package and she loves that sled.
Lol... he just may have. Hard to argue with a nice, light 850 2 stroke isnt it!
I've got to 110 mph on my sidewinder 146 on the kobuk River, but it was -30, after it reached 105 it took a long time for it to reach 110, it was a long stretch on the river
Thank you! Great job again!
I thought there would be a little more speed. But GPS don't lie!
I think the Mach Z will be faster than a renegade XRS set up and would like to see it run against a Thundercat. The Renegade XRS is set up to handle the bumps. The Mach Z is suppose to be your lake racer. To bad they didn't have one available. A windshield absolutely makes a difference on top speed performance.
I totally agree,, the Thundercat is AC's top dog in turbo speed and should be run against the Mach Z turbo .. would totally like to see that match up .. Make it happen boyzz .. ;)
On a hard concrete-like packed groomed trail, I think they'd both be capable of hitting 110 mph.
108 is what i have hit at 7700 rpm i belive its limited with 200 rpm more
on a 900 turbo ski doo
117 mph on my bone stock winder. On radar runs.
And I’m 320 lbs
great comparison!
The suspension is so good now you sacrifice a few miles on the top end. I just love my mach z and in stock form spinning to 8000 rpm it is the most satisfying sled i have ever rode. I knew they would be close in stock form and AC earned that spot but not by a lot.
A stock 1998 Thundercat produced speeds of 120MPH.
Been waiting for this super cool!
Got a question to the inaccuracy of gauge speed vs real speed. If these gauges are fluff factoring speed this means all sleds out there have more mileage than actual mileage 🤔? I had a laugh one year with my viper as it would never tell me I was doing over 90km/h when in reality the skidoo’s I was running with were well into triple digits…always said it was a good resale tactic hah.
Think about mountain sleds spinning track all day long lol
Skidoos motto is "if you cant make it, fake it"
Actually the sled will have less miles than the odometer shows. By the sounds of it, about 5%.
Great video guys!
Thanks so much!
2 great sleds ! but ill take the cat anyday!
The mach z trapped higher speeds in the original shootout on grass earlier this year an tbh trap speeds usually tell the proof although sonmany variable on snow. Just shows which has more potential. The rest is putting the power to the snow
Gotta love the dreamometer 😏😂 be nice if they made them accurate not like the tech isn’t there to do so 🤷🏻♂️. Is the PIDD gauge gps based for speed? I heard it was.
I can't wait to see the Polaris boost!
Nice job boys !
Great video guys ,would have been great if Yamaha had dropped off the SRX for you.
TURBO POLARIS
Sleds are slower on top speed compared to late 90s early 2000s sleds cause the ride height and design for comfort and handling older sleds were top end rockets but handled like crap and rode like lumber wagons top speed is the sacrifice
Just a quick question. Suspension wise who had the better feel? You hopefully had a bit of trail riding as well.Both great looking sleds on the lake . Like your videos keep them coming.
Fair & Honest, great job.
Too my buddies that claim your new turbo sled does a 120mph out of the box…Ha!
Fair comparison, arctic cat marginally faster with marginally more horsepower. Exactly what I would expect. Curious if the Mach z being 2 inches lower would close that gap or not
How do you figure? Anyone who actually keeps up with the reality of performance of the new sleds knows the Sidewinder is faster than the Tcat due to better clutching efficiency, and supposedly the Mach Z has more power than the 900 turbo. This is a ridiculous comparison and shouldn't have been done.
Btw I own a turbo Cat, so my allegiance to Doo is non existent.
@@Rehmer94 relax dude it’s called my opinion. You just provided yours. It’s ok to not agree. USA USA
@@jd69627 I asked a question. I'm not uncalm. Lol
@@Rehmer94 The Mach Z does NOT make more power than the 900 Turbo R. They are the SAME engine entirely. The Mach has launch control which would only help if you were fully studded on glare ice. Maybe the sidewinder would be 1MPH faster MAYBE. Id like to know why this comparison shouldnt have been done? Seems pretty fair to me.
@Luke Lester thanks for the reply. Early reports were that the Mach made more power than the 900t.... saying that it shouldn't be done may have been a bit obtuse.... as a Procross owner I would have liked to see the faster Sidewinder used..with being real world focused, a 200hp sled versus the 180hp sled seems meaningless unless they are both studded. I have yet to see an unstudded Thundercat in the States.
Good review 👍 not taking side but if you where to put a similar windshield on the skidoo it might make a bit of difference on top end. It's to bad yous wasn't able to bring the mach and srx 👍
My 850 Renegade E Tec is all I need
If that's called work, sign me up?
A little late but did you have the 900R in for the low rpm update with a new spring and ecu re-mapping?
nice review but would bin awsome to see the srx, its set up directly for what ur doin there, 1 inch track, lower stance, geared , n yamaha clutched
My old 07 apex gt did 109.3 mph with 2 different GPS's on a hard packed lake . Speedo was reading 126. Completely stock sled.. Different gearing I guess might help these 2 particular turbo sleds.
Fair enough.
Great video. I'll never buy a 4-stroke sled but you still made it interesting.
I think it's hilarious snowmobiles that were in the late '70s through the mid '80s were just as fast. Here I'm expecting something in the 120s maybe 130's for a top end.
All I can say is if I ever did get back into snowmobiling I'd be looking to tear out the engines and start from there...
Ummm... the sleds from the 70s and 80s that went that fast also blew up every 5 minutes. But, the truth is, only perfectly setup sleds went that fast in those days. An out of the box thundercat in 97 wasnt faster than todays sleds despite what many will claim.
Arctic Cat! Heck yeah BABY! World's fastest! I'm a diehard Arctic Cat guy!
To be fair it was only By 3 mph.
RIGHT ON ARCTIC CAT! THE BEST THERE IS! 💪🤟
The doo looks so fresh compared to the cat.
It's a good looking sled.
I think they both look a bit dated, because they are.
Overall, I think the Cat looks better, but unfortunately for Cat, beauty is only skin deep.
Put a windshield on the Skidoo and it will go at least 3mph faster.....I've tried it on mine and it's a fact! Also a factory studed iceripper track are notorious for being slower than a ripsaw or other non studed tracks...
Good job guys 🔥
The little windshield on the Cat give an advantage on high speed cause the air dont hit the driver in chest , thats enough to slow you down by many mph , at those speed the air force is very high
Just some constructive criticism Why didnt u guys do one heads up drag race just for fun? we coulda seen an acceleration comparison. Always do stuff like this, it improves the content u provide. Thanks guys, great job as usual!
he did comment at the end that the Cat was faster out of the hole
Because we only had one good, hardpacked track to run on. This wasnt a scientific or exhaustive test. It was just for fun.
They did not want the skidoo to get waxxed.
My stock 1100 turbo will go that fast going down a gravel road in July!!
Do you think the Mach z would be much faster being lower to the ground and different gearing ?
Well ya
I was wondering how the launch mode would affect it. But I have seen a few drag races without it, for 600 feet, the skidoo was WAY faster, but had a slower time to the finish line, which was upsetting since it was like ten miles per hour faster.
@@duckdestroyer2412 well the Z is a bit lighter I believe. And I'd assume different gears and clutch weights.compared to a renegade
The Z is faster by a significant enough margin. That is the reason it is set up the way it is in the first place.
@@michaelfortier7726 one of my friends has a 900 T R gade claims he raced a new Z with virtually no difference between the two
So funny snowmobile top speed it's been same forever
What are your thoughts on arctic cats current position with textron. talking to our dealer the other day we agree they arent in touch with there customers very much currently. just seems like they are dragging the arctic cat name down
Nothing like the 90 s machines if you want go fast
wish u had an srx also
The Dreamometer on my 2006 Yamaha Attack reads 129 MPH GPS says 116 MPH .. 35 F If I can recall so many years ago .. no snow on the Lake .. just wet ice..
I have out run super charged sleds on the trails too .. Hauk Performance Yamaha's cause they didn't know how to set their sleds up for cornering.. That can't out accelerate me because their tracks were spinning so much .. goes back to set up partly again
I’m kinda surprised… I’m not sure in a quarter mile but across a frozen lake I had an old RXL doing 107.6 verified with a Garmin GPS..
Sorry I will keep my 2009 Yamaha Nytro. I've hit 103 stock.
I wouldn't be telling people you are on a nytro. It basically invalidates anything if you would rather have a nytro since they were pretty awful sleds. Especially in comparison.
Sorry Joseph but I work hard for my money.and my sled is just fine .I will admit it was tuff at first riding it .but aftermarket parts brought my sled to another level. If your ever up in the Great state of Maine, where there is no speed limit I will let you take my sled for a rip and you might be surprised. Have a good day.
@@MrSprintcat unfortunately I won't have to do that. I owned a 2012 nytro fx xtx that I supercharged. And it was a terrible sled. Did the forum stuff that guys were doing to try and make the sled decent like replacing the front spindles and skis. There was no sense spending all that time and money to try and make the machine competent. I would rather ride my phazer over the nytro. The suspensions on the new machines are next level.
I ride with guys with all new sleds .I've tried them all .I like my sled. Just saying
@@brandenjoseph604 Nytro is junk. I was the one who discovered the Nytro issues and posted on TY and it snowballed from there lots told me I was wrong until a couple weeks went by and they got to try theirs. Terrible sled totally agree. Yamaha never really came to the table and neither did the dealer. Never would own another Yamaha again for that reason. Should have kept my Apex at that time.
Pretty impressed with the Renegade with it's 50HP deficit, compared to the Thundercat. Could only imagine how much faster the Mach Z is...
Isn't the machZ the same horsepower?
@@philippecomeau4000 Mach Z is 180 ponies while the turbo R is about 150hp I believe.
@@hammerheartdan6311 i think your wrong. 900 turbo use to be 150hp. Now the 900t is about 115hp (not sure exactly) and turbo R is 180hp
@@philippecomeau4000 well, I stand corrected lol after some reading on the ski-do website, the 900 ace turbo is 150 and the turbo R is 180, didn’t know the renegade turbo R and Mach Z shares the same engine configuration. I was under the impression that this renegade had less HP. My bad.
@@hammerheartdan6311 just went reading myself. Though I read 130hp for the none R model.