Cascadia is a fuel champ. I'm driving a 2020, 12spd/2.64/455hp. For the month of August, I logged 9,115 miles with averages of 26k lb loads, 800 mile trips, 63 mph cruise speed, for an average MPG of 9.3
63mph??? I'm the end of the year annually you losing out on more loads and eating your drive time for driving so slow to save on fuel..... do the math in the end of a 12 month period you'll lose more then you'll save on fuel... unless you do short runs then it might balance out or if the rate per miles pay well to
@@78043jimenez I've done 60, 63, 70.....you know how many miles I get? The same.....only difference is the amount of fuel burned. I've learned that the world of trucking isn't perfect......meaning, all I'm doing when I go 70 is getting to my destination faster only to wait.....hurry up and wait! Why burn more fuel, just to wait and end up with the same amount of miles at the end of the week? Doesn't make sense. If I have shippers and receivers robbing me of time all week long, which I don't get paid for.....I'm sure as shit not going to burn up more fuel for them
We are averaging 8.5 mpg with very little idle time pulling around 22k. This includes mountain driving in CO and interstate driving. This is over 6k miles in a 2023 Volvo VNL 740 without skirts and running open lug 11R 24.5 tires. We average around 70 mph on the interstate, typically cruising 67 mph but faster in MT where speed limit is 80. Our truck is equipped with 12 speed auto, 500hp DD13, 2.64 rears. I was initially disappointed in mileage but not after seeing this. I expected a little better with such a light load. We do hand calculations too and compare them to the computer. It’s typically pretty close, less than .5 mpg difference. The Volvo is more comfortable by far. I do run Amsoil diesel treatment.
The Volvo has a smaller engine, but 200 pounds more torque wich makes a big difference when pulling hills,but you burn more fuel ofcourse 😁That 505 hp in the Cascadia maybe gives better acceleration, but the torque setting gives the better fuel mileage. But if they do only big hills with heavy loads ,the Volvo I think would get better fuel economy
One obvious reason for the difference is the Volvo has higher torque. Higher the torque lower the mpg you will have. Also on the freightliner you have the smart cruise. It goes into coast mode using gps on locations of hills. Volvo doesn’t have that. You should of included the speeds your trucks are governed. That plays a big part as does idle time. Our Volvos run in the 9mpg range but ours is the VNL 860 with the crawler gear technology. But ours is governed at 65mph.
Where i work they are switching from Freightliner to Volvos . Comparing apples to apples on the same decaded run I do ever week the Volvo demo truck got 8.3 miles per gallon running 70 mph. The Cascade i have been runing with a Cummins 450 and 10 speed automation had been getting around 7.9 mpg.The company I work for only 8 drivers. The main reason for the change is waiting time as long as 2 weeks to fix problems with the computer on the transmission and other warranty problems causing too much downtime. I would be nice to see a review on the percentage of warranty problems on each truck.
Freightliners are not THAT reliable, they are just easy to fix because of parts availability. Volvos are far more reliable but parts availability is much lower and they are much more expensive.
I agree. I drive a 2020 579 Pete and I have averaged 8.2 mpg over the last 2 years. Automatic governed at either 65 / 67 mph depending on my Fuel efficiency.
I have before owner operator spec t680 2020 paccar 510 hp no restrictions I'm pulling reefer spread axle . The most I see in that time is in the summer 7.5 in the winter 6.2 , 6.5 by ifta running most the time 68
I have 2016 Volvo with 776K on it. I bought it used with 720K, had all new injectors, seats, etc etc cost me a small fortune but I feel I have an almost new truck. I'm a more senior driver, drive the speed limit or less, and I'm getting 8.4 or if I have a very heavy load and I'm driving through the mountains of PA or Virginia, I'll get mid 7's. The truck is very comfortable for OTR, so that's my 10 cents on that, You have some great videos, very informative, thank you. Andy.
@@aj-sv6bb 2019 389 2ws glider food grade tank, fuck your speed limit bullshit and I’m still laughing all the way to the bank and waving blowing your doors off while you’re doing 62. Know you’re worth and you wouldn’t have to drive that slow, or just stop being a dock jockey and you wouldn’t make shit money
@@aj-sv6bb Since i don't pay for fuel taking longer just costs me home time or money if i could have done something worth more with the extra time. Fuel efficiency only concerns me if it means i won't make the destination or waste more time getting a little extra fuel between depots. If i was paid per hour then i would go slower. The boss chose to pay trip rates not hourly. Why do you expect company drivers to cost themselves?
This was fantastic. This was a good "bean counter" analysis. Now I would like to hear which the drivers prefer. Which has the better sleeper, best ride, best features etc. I'm a Cascadia fan but even I can't deny by the number you see on the road something attracts companies to Volvo. If it's not the operating costs what is it?
Great comparison, great video. I would like to see a Cummins x15 in there somewhere I know maybe your fleet doesn't have any Cummins but would love to see how it compares to your Volvo and Cascadia... Great job on the video
Thinking of buying one 2024 Freightliner with x15 Cummins Could you help me buddy ?? I heard both good and bad things for Cummins and Detroit in Freightliner
@@sashasandeepverma5835 I am without a doubt a Cummins guy all the way. They could burn a bit more fuel than maybe the Detroit, but not by much to make a big difference for me. I do like Volvo engines as well. The reality is there are really no bad engines out there for new trucks, some are just better than others. For me, it is just a comfort to know that more mechanics would work on a Cummins before a Detroit. Open the hood and see a beautiful Red Cummins is all I need. So if you're going to get the Cascadia, I would go with the X15 before I would get a Detroit. 🙂
It seems that the 5 volvos you picked had a large variance in mileage for those 12 months. Was there a more even set of 5 volvos in mileage driven in those 12 months?
Another great video could be : A comparison between purchasing the trucks/ leasing or renting from company's like penske and Ryder. Company's go both routes from what I have seen would be nice to see the numbers and what's worth more in what scenario for a brand new company.
@@Jaspreetkhokhar yes I believe so, penske does state on their website be ir 1 truck or more they have the options for it. You'll have to contact and try asking, I will be doing the same when I'm.looking to get my own equipment.
Freightliner got the freight shaker for a reason, fuel efficiency is on weight of loads too plus you get a lot more torque in Volvo. Freightliner only has a advantage to when it comes to parts. I prefer Volvo overall in quality, power, design & silence inside of the cab. Great video btw from your fleet!
Were these volvos with the D13 TC or the old VGT? The TC crushes DD15. What about idle time? Were the vovllvos equipped with idle fee HVAC? Your RAR is also mid for both brands. You could do a lot lower. Also, parts availability is poor for both these days... Just try to find a one box for Freightliner.
Glad to see other fleets are consistently getting 8+ out of New Cascadias, especially without going for a max efficiency spec. My '19 was getting 9+ but I had super singles, more aero bits on the cab & trailers, and the truck was only set for about 400hp. Not sure on the rear axles, it was an integrated powertrain so I believe the effective rear end ratio was 2.64 same as yours but I'm not 100% on that. Sadly the fleet I was with moved away from that max aero spec from drivers damaging all the little rubber bits that push those numbers up fractions of a percentage point each, since replacing them often cost more than they saved in fuel. Even still, with the powertrain set up for efficiency averaging 8.5 to 8.7 is totally doable in the modern Cascadia even without the extra aero bits.
The 2020 Cascadia I had was very easy to get 8mpg, easily saw 10mpg if I slowed down and drove slow. It's frustrating, but slowing down is the single most effective way to increase mpg. It had a 10 speed, I bet a 13 speed would have gotten another .5mpg easily.
Yea as a fleet mechanic i mostly remove aero stuff after it gets damaged case the drivers tend to break em and it cost more than they save especially that lower lip on the new cascadia
@@totemnihil6099 It's so frustrating to watch fleet drivers trash them or the back of cab fairings without a care while I would give my left kidney to have a max efficiency spec like that right now.
I think you have to look at some of the intangibles Such as safety - Volvo is the only truck to have an air bag The amount of crash testing that Volvo does contributes to there design such items like their engine is designed to go under the frame rails instead of sliding into the drivers compartment in the case of a frontal collision Volvos cab is also significantly less noisy and transmits less vibration therefore the driver has less fatigue by the end of the day
i own a freightliner 2022 cascadia and the truck has 350,000 miles. i had zero problems. let me say that again I HAD ZERO PROBLEMS. this truck is amazing. also my average mpg is about 9mpg but thats because i always run 65 mph
You do realize that the average truck today can get about 1,000,000 miles before it needs an overhaul so at 350,000 miles with no issues as you claim that’s only 35% of the lifespan of the engine that’s not nothing then come back again once your truck gets 600,000 700,000 miles and let’s see how what you say then
Are you sure those are Gen 5 engines in the Cascadias? Being 2020 models, they were most likely built in 2019 and the Gen 5 wasn’t available until the beginning of 2021. What size tires? DT12- OD or direct? Volvos- TC or VGT? Details are important.
I’m owner operator. I will never go Volvo.less sale in USA less money for upgrades .at 2018 they both had a new looking model. But Volvo only changed engine hood.😂😂😂😂13 litres engine using more fuel than 15 litres dd15 😂😂😂 now 2025 Volvo copying Freightliner common rail engine ，gear shifter . Even folding bed😂😂😂😂if it s really good why Walmart don’t has even 1 of them 😂😂😂😂😂
this is an old video by the time I found it. why I believe the cascadia will will the fuel mileage debate, to get the real cost to compare, the empty miles vs loaded miles combined with total weight for loads. I do like the video.
Great analysis, though not exactly fair as you specified your Volvos with the version of the D13 which is tuned to the max with 1850 ft.lb torque for some reason and you should have specified version which are more closely tuned to the 1650 ft.lb that your DD-15s are tuned to because you seem happy with that. Those more economy oriented tunings of D13 obviously exist. Even so, would have only closed the gap and there still issues of parts and service availability so the conclusion is still reasonable, not the sweetest ride on the market but Freightliner is the market leader due to fuel economy and service availability.
What is the upfront cost difference on the Freightliners vs the Volvo's? I know long term the fuel costs and repair costs are a bigger concern, but it would be nice to look at it as more of a "life of the truck" thing. What is the residual value difference on the trucks (I know tough to do on 2020 trucks).
Try running the Cummins ISX 15 in the Volvo's. they get better fuel mileage when coupled with an Eaton Fuller 18 speed manual As far as down time I have see Cascadia drivers waiting up to 2 weeks to get parts especially if it's the Control Module. BTW did any of the Volvo's have an APU? My APU of choice is #GreenAPU.
1850Tq compared to 1650bis a BIG difference. It also wasn't stated if this was the D13-TC motor or the old spec 455...? The TC motor is Huge difference in Fuel Efficiency and eliminates the Variable Vane turbo for a stronger and more reliable ball bearing Forged compressor traditional turbo.
I'd like to know which one does better on the heavier loads. I haul bulk commodities. Your average freight is 26k mine is closer to 54k. And do your trucks have apu's?
For many truckers now i mean 5k is 5k but now with the long haul going the way it is and the pay they would rather see which truck has the better interior that they will be living in… which seems to be the draw to the volvo from what ive seen.
Excellent video very informative I have a question can I buy a Volvo with DD15 engine or a cummins engine Will it help with the fuel consumption I drove a Volvo and I drove a freightliner Volvos are super comfortable
Detroit DD15s are Daimler exclusive (Freightliner/Western Star). You might do a little better with a Cummins X15 Efficiency but I doubt it, and you'll be adding a good chunk of weight for no real gain in anything other than power and better parts availability. Conversely if you step down to the Volvo D11 you might gain a little MPG but you'll sacrifice your performance on hills. Not bad if you're only running fairly local with no major grades but you'll have a hard time selling it to anyone that isn't similarly specialized. D13/iShift is going to generally be your best efficiency powertrain for an OTR Volvo truck.
So I've watched alot of your videos and I always,always like them! I come back and most of the time the like is GONE! I've noticed it with this,I watched yesterday.
Average doesn't mean anythhing. You can run 8 hours on 75 and then stuck on start stop traffic on 10-20 mph for 2 hours. You will average more than somebody doing 60 for 11 hours.
no. I made my point. You will burn more fuel averaging 70 than you will 60. I made it point and it stands. Idc about your extra what ifs. I run otr in all 48 states a strategically route around major cities and/or cities known for traffic. 9 times out of 10 if im sitting in traffic it’s bc of an accident or construction So you’re “scenario” of sitting in traffic burns more fuel is something that happens a couple times a week at most. when the weeks over your truck isn’t averaging 10-20mph is it?
as an o/o that savings in fuel would cover my california reg ($2800) hvut ($550) and a years worth of my cell phone ($90/mo) and id still have $1200 left over….so it makes a difference. thanks for sharing that information! does ET run single wide tires w/self inflation? what about aero kits?
Seeing ET trucks here in Bangor Maine. Very cool. By the way- I'm a company driver and I drive a 2021 VNL760- You are spot on about the Volvos. I get about 7.5 when I'm lucky.
I just acquired a 2023 Cascadia that is an automatic Detroit. Getting 6.5 currently and was hoping for a lot better. Will it improve drastically as it gets broken in? Hope so...
That entirely depends on how you spec’d the truck. What’s the differential ratio on your truck? What’s the engine under the hood? Do you have an overdrive or a direct drive transmission? I have a 2014 Cascadia with DD13(450hp, 1650 torque) and a 10 speed manual transmission with overdrive
Having driven both I prefer the Volvo as it is more comfortable and has a smoother ride and the turning radius seems better. COMFORT as a company driver is the highest issue with me. Every other concern you mentioned is NOT my problem. As a company driver I want the best driving environment possible, and Volvo delivers.
Thanks for this video...👍 I agree about not having payments etc...my 20 year old Pete 379 has a 1.8 million mile CAT C15 single turbo specd at 475hp, 3.36 gears and a 13 speed...i average about 5 to 5.25 mpgs, and i run pretty flat interstate 75% of the of the time...cruise at 70-72 mph at 1450 rpms...but no emissions issues and no payments...shes very reliable for 1.8 million and one in frame overhaul...i can park it when ever i want and make a monthly insurance payment only...in todays market its probably very stressful to make expensive new truck payments and stay afloat...I do spend a little in repairs and maintenance but I like to stay away from tow bills even though I have towing in my insurance...and i try to do shop time with planned home time etc
Hi, is there any difference from Cascadia x Volvo in 2023? I heard the Volvo engine got upgraded since 2020! If it's possible, could you run an update video?
I'd like to see a comparison of accident rates. I've noticed it's always the Freightliners that run off the road in snowstorms, often with Punjab drivers who have never seen snow.
Been watching alot of videos of guys showing load board rates/miles. Some even back to 2019 and those were some eye popping videos. Sub $2 per mile was the norm.
Frankly, I’m surprised that your mileage per gallon and uptime numbers on your Volvos were that low. My Volvo numbers are better than your best Volvo, and are on par with how a comparable Freightliner Cascadia would do. I solo-drive a 2020 Volvo VNL 760 that is similarly spec’d out as a company driver for Swift, and I found that by keeping the Jake in the off position, and by putting in fuel system cleaner every 2-4 fillups (I use Howe’s Meener Kleener but Lucas and several other brands are good), and I’m able to average 7.9 miles per gallon and am outperforming your best-performing Volvo. I’m running the Western USA and the Midwest, and most of my loads are at or over 30,000 pounds with very few empty deadhead miles. Awhile back, one of our in-house mechanics at Swift told me that the Volvos are more sensitive to blockages in the fuel system from dirt and crud, and that that can cause a decline in a Volvo’s fuel mileage pretty quickly. So, if you put in fuel injector cleaner every few fillups, a Volvo will perform better both in terms of mileage driven and reliability. Maybe you could do a comparison of mpg between drivers who use fuel system cleaning additives vs drivers who don’t?
I've been a Class A CDL driver for 25 years and have driven all kinds of equipment and hauled several kinds of loads. For my money the Freightliner wins. Volvo has the comfort, look and power but everyone I drove had issues and down time. Freightliners were basic maintenance and sometimes warranty parts that fail but the down time is minimal. Western Star and Freightliner are the most reliable brand of trucks that I've driven. Love Kenworth and Peterbilt but they are expensive and their cabs are too small and most of the ones I've driven were unreliable. Internationals weren't bad in reliability just down in power and comfort. Macks are nice looking and rugged but that's where it stops. Fords and Sterling were solid trucks but old tanks with low power and uncomfortable cabs. If I were to own a fleet, no doubt Freightliner and Western Star are my go to brand of trucks. As long as it's speced out correctly and not misused, they'll make their money back quickly 🤙🏼♥️ 🇺🇲
Not too much of a surprise for UK operators. Volvo has neve given the ulitmate MPG when compared to Scania and Mercedes. on 450hp. Currently Mercedes is best but roadholdin in all weather it's the Scania. (Scania is sister company to Volvo in Sweded).
Nah bro. Scanias are the most diesels efficient and have been for a long time. However, because of higher adblue consumption due to twin scr system in Scania, Volvo is currently leading in overall fuel consumption. There's a far cry between Mercedes and swedes; total bullshit.
I wouldn't expect Ronen's company to run any of those by their own choice. For OTR use, they're basically a more expensive but less aerodynamic Cascadia. Same powertrain and sleeper, but a square hood, vertical exhausts, and no skirts. They're better for certain more severe applications like logging and construction where ground clearance & engine cooling matters more than aerodynamics, but for pulling vans from warehouse to warehouse you're just paying a premium to have a more old-school look.
It’s deceiving because even though you implied that the mileage difference is due to downtime, the real issue is the routes being driven. Out west, speed limits are 75mph and it’s wide open roads. Down south it’s 55mph and clogged roads. Are the routes the same? You should make sure you’re comparing apples to apples. Also Volvos are more comfortable for the driver than a freight shaker. Most of the geniuses watching this will never have a fleet, will always be owner operator with 1 truck, so they should probably choose comfort. Business wise, if you plan on building a fleet, freight shakers are the way to go due to their mass production, and not caring about the drivers comfort.
I company drive a current gen Freightliner and I absolutely hate the steering, suspension, and "safety" features. Totally understand why my company uses Freightliner Cascadia trucks but I don't think that I would own one given the choice of having a Kenworth, Peterbilt, or even a Volvo.
It depends on the driver. I am much more comfortable in a rougher riding KW than the euro stuff. Definitely not a KW fan and for me the ergonomics are very bad. I drove a pretty new merc. Yes it's very comfortable in every material way, but i am more comfortable with the way the KW (K200) handles. Euros i feel disconnected from.
@@pocolaokgmail You’re bias to your shaker. There’s a reason why it earned that name. No one is saying it’s a bad truck but like anything, there’s equipment you buy for yourself and then there’s equipment you buy in bulk for your business. Shakers are a business decision.
Customers are a lot happier when their stuff is delivered on time. If you aren't able to re power a load during a breakdown, the 3 day versus 14 day repair time gets huge for time sensitive ( just in time) customers.
There is a new International LT625 with new powertrain from new owners TRATON (Scania) 13 Liter engine , trans and aftertreatment. Can you make a fuel economy comparision with this new integrated powertrain?
Victor the Volvo VNL 860, Frank the Freightliner Cascadia, William the Western Star 57X, Peter the Peterbilt 579, Mack Anderson the Mack Anthem and Ken Wilkinson the Kenworth T680.
So the Freightliner is all around a better financial investment. First of all, they cost a lot less than a Volvo. The maintenance is easier and less expensive. They get better fuel mileage. So this tells me the only reason someone would have a Volvo is because it's more luxurious, nicer more appropriated interior better fit and finish and a smoother ride personally, I think I'd rather save more money than just have a nicer looking truck
This guy compared a DD15/1650 TQ with a D13/1850 TQ,more torque more fuel,you can get a D13 with less torque and have same or better mpg, you can have more comfort for the same price,Volvo is a better truck in any way.
TC on Volvo rules anyway. Beside slight dif toward Fred there is also a factor how comfortable your truck is to drive. Yes Fred beats Volvo in revenues but Volvo beats Fred in comfort, field of view, and better transmission. Unless you are building a big trucking company it doesn't really matter what brand as soon as you like it.
But when you're a single truck company a caterpillar on a tri-true and tested 18 speed is going to get you further than any Volvo for any Freightliner with the least amount of downtime cuz how much money do you lose if you are setting at a TA or a petrol or a Love or Whatever you are going to be further ahead with a solid pre emission C15 cat with manual transmission single turbo remember you can take a diesel engine and after you start it you can take everything electrical off of it and it will run if you can get it Fuel and Air a single owner operator does not need all that electrical stuff it's just bored to go wrong I'll take my six and a half miles to the gallon any day of the week my cats never left me sitting and I've had one sensor go out over the course of 2 years
trucks that did not run higher mileage it's not just based on down time,dispatch and driver can be involved by not providing the load and delivering late. in these cases idle time causes poor mpg.
Cascadia is a fuel champ. I'm driving a 2020, 12spd/2.64/455hp. For the month of August, I logged 9,115 miles with averages of 26k lb loads, 800 mile trips, 63 mph cruise speed, for an average MPG of 9.3
lolololol
26 000 lbs is just about half a full commercial load.
@@shelbynamels973 averages my guy.....but even at 44k I haven't been below 8.4mpg
63mph??? I'm the end of the year annually you losing out on more loads and eating your drive time for driving so slow to save on fuel..... do the math in the end of a 12 month period you'll lose more then you'll save on fuel... unless you do short runs then it might balance out or if the rate per miles pay well to
@@78043jimenez I've done 60, 63, 70.....you know how many miles I get? The same.....only difference is the amount of fuel burned. I've learned that the world of trucking isn't perfect......meaning, all I'm doing when I go 70 is getting to my destination faster only to wait.....hurry up and wait! Why burn more fuel, just to wait and end up with the same amount of miles at the end of the week? Doesn't make sense. If I have shippers and receivers robbing me of time all week long, which I don't get paid for.....I'm sure as shit not going to burn up more fuel for them
We are averaging 8.5 mpg with very little idle time pulling around 22k. This includes mountain driving in CO and interstate driving. This is over 6k miles in a 2023 Volvo VNL 740 without skirts and running open lug 11R 24.5 tires. We average around 70 mph on the interstate, typically cruising 67 mph but faster in MT where speed limit is 80. Our truck is equipped with 12 speed auto, 500hp DD13, 2.64 rears. I was initially disappointed in mileage but not after seeing this. I expected a little better with such a light load. We do hand calculations too and compare them to the computer. It’s typically pretty close, less than .5 mpg difference. The Volvo is more comfortable by far. I do run Amsoil diesel treatment.
OMG 77 MPH, you are a potensional killer on the road.
@@Volkpilot That should have been 67mph not 77mph.
The Volvo has a smaller engine, but 200 pounds more torque wich makes a big difference when pulling hills,but you burn more fuel ofcourse 😁That 505 hp in the Cascadia maybe gives better acceleration, but the torque setting gives the better fuel mileage. But if they do only big hills with heavy loads ,the Volvo I think would get better fuel economy
One obvious reason for the difference is the Volvo has higher torque. Higher the torque lower the mpg you will have. Also on the freightliner you have the smart cruise. It goes into coast mode using gps on locations of hills. Volvo doesn’t have that. You should of included the speeds your trucks are governed. That plays a big part as does idle time. Our Volvos run in the 9mpg range but ours is the VNL 860 with the crawler gear technology. But ours is governed at 65mph.
Where i work they are switching from Freightliner to Volvos . Comparing apples to apples on the same decaded run I do ever week the Volvo demo truck got 8.3 miles per gallon running 70 mph. The Cascade i have been runing with a Cummins 450 and 10 speed automation had been getting around 7.9 mpg.The company I work for only 8 drivers. The main reason for the change is waiting time as long as 2 weeks to fix problems with the computer on the transmission and other warranty problems causing too much downtime. I would be nice to see a review on the percentage of warranty problems on each truck.
Freightliners are not THAT reliable, they are just easy to fix because of parts availability. Volvos are far more reliable but parts availability is much lower and they are much more expensive.
This Chanel is so amazing. I just love your videos.
You need the t680 and pete 579 too
He's already done those and they get 5.5 to 6.2 miles per gallon
I agree. I drive a 2020 579 Pete and I have averaged 8.2 mpg over the last 2 years. Automatic governed at either 65 / 67 mph depending on my Fuel efficiency.
I have before owner operator spec t680 2020 paccar 510 hp no restrictions I'm pulling reefer spread axle . The most I see in that time is in the summer 7.5 in the winter 6.2 , 6.5 by ifta running most the time 68
Better w900
Agreed and with X15 efficiency series
I have 2016 Volvo with 776K on it. I bought it used with 720K, had all new injectors, seats, etc etc cost me a small fortune but I feel I have an almost new truck. I'm a more senior driver, drive the speed limit or less, and I'm getting 8.4 or if I have a very heavy load and I'm driving through the mountains of PA or Virginia, I'll get mid 7's. The truck is very comfortable for OTR, so that's my 10 cents on that, You have some great videos, very informative, thank you. Andy.
Drive the speed limit? Lol 🤡
@@youtubesurfer1022 probably a company driver that doesn't realize the fuel savings. lmao i would be mad too if i got paid .50 cents a mile.
@@aj-sv6bb 2019 389 2ws glider food grade tank, fuck your speed limit bullshit and I’m still laughing all the way to the bank and waving blowing your doors off while you’re doing 62. Know you’re worth and you wouldn’t have to drive that slow, or just stop being a dock jockey and you wouldn’t make shit money
@@aj-sv6bb Since i don't pay for fuel taking longer just costs me home time or money if i could have done something worth more with the extra time. Fuel efficiency only concerns me if it means i won't make the destination or waste more time getting a little extra fuel between depots. If i was paid per hour then i would go slower. The boss chose to pay trip rates not hourly. Why do you expect company drivers to cost themselves?
You always provide the best information do you guys do comparison between Freightliner and Kenworth?
This was fantastic. This was a good "bean counter" analysis. Now I would like to hear which the drivers prefer. Which has the better sleeper, best ride, best features etc. I'm a Cascadia fan but even I can't deny by the number you see on the road something attracts companies to Volvo. If it's not the operating costs what is it?
Volvo is a nicer looking truck in and out has a better higher class interior. More options has a smoother ride. It's a driver comfort issue
Volvo rides, handles, and shifts so so smooth
Great comparison, great video. I would like to see a Cummins x15 in there somewhere I know maybe your fleet doesn't have any Cummins but would love to see how it compares to your Volvo and Cascadia... Great job on the video
Thinking of buying one 2024 Freightliner with x15 Cummins
Could you help me buddy ??
I heard both good and bad things for Cummins and Detroit in Freightliner
@@sashasandeepverma5835 I am without a doubt a Cummins guy all the way. They could burn a bit more fuel than maybe the Detroit, but not by much to make a big difference for me. I do like Volvo engines as well. The reality is there are really no bad engines out there for new trucks, some are just better than others. For me, it is just a comfort to know that more mechanics would work on a Cummins before a Detroit. Open the hood and see a beautiful Red Cummins is all I need. So if you're going to get the Cascadia, I would go with the X15 before I would get a Detroit. 🙂
It seems that the 5 volvos you picked had a large variance in mileage for those 12 months. Was there a more even set of 5 volvos in mileage driven in those 12 months?
absolutely
Another great video could be : A comparison between purchasing the trucks/ leasing or renting from company's like penske and Ryder. Company's go both routes from what I have seen would be nice to see the numbers and what's worth more in what scenario for a brand new company.
I agree. I'd love to see a "Pros Vs Cons" lease Vs purchase.
Penske/Ryder , Can u do owner operator by renting out those trucks?
@@Jaspreetkhokhar yes I believe so, penske does state on their website be ir 1 truck or more they have the options for it. You'll have to contact and try asking, I will be doing the same when I'm.looking to get my own equipment.
@@saqibsiddiqi6684 yes , same plan. good experiment before investing on s New Truck.
Freightliner got the freight shaker for a reason, fuel efficiency is on weight of loads too plus you get a lot more torque in Volvo. Freightliner only has a advantage to when it comes to parts. I prefer Volvo overall in quality, power, design & silence inside of the cab. Great video btw from your fleet!
Thanks for sharing
Were these volvos with the D13 TC or the old VGT? The TC crushes DD15. What about idle time? Were the vovllvos equipped with idle fee HVAC? Your RAR is also mid for both brands. You could do a lot lower. Also, parts availability is poor for both these days... Just try to find a one box for Freightliner.
AGREED!! The TC is way ahead of the old VGT motors
Agreed. The D13 is inferior to the DD15, but the new D13TC is unbeatable!
Max gross weight, 62mph, 9.0-10.0mpg all day.
Great video. Thanks. Numbers don't lie. I like both trucks but, numbers don't lie and maintenance is an even bigger distinction.
Glad to see other fleets are consistently getting 8+ out of New Cascadias, especially without going for a max efficiency spec. My '19 was getting 9+ but I had super singles, more aero bits on the cab & trailers, and the truck was only set for about 400hp. Not sure on the rear axles, it was an integrated powertrain so I believe the effective rear end ratio was 2.64 same as yours but I'm not 100% on that. Sadly the fleet I was with moved away from that max aero spec from drivers damaging all the little rubber bits that push those numbers up fractions of a percentage point each, since replacing them often cost more than they saved in fuel. Even still, with the powertrain set up for efficiency averaging 8.5 to 8.7 is totally doable in the modern Cascadia even without the extra aero bits.
I can get at least 7 mpg in a w900 it’s doable but as the old adage goes drive slow that’s the only way, but if your in hills it’s very tough
The 2020 Cascadia I had was very easy to get 8mpg, easily saw 10mpg if I slowed down and drove slow. It's frustrating, but slowing down is the single most effective way to increase mpg. It had a 10 speed, I bet a 13 speed would have gotten another .5mpg easily.
Yea as a fleet mechanic i mostly remove aero stuff after it gets damaged case the drivers tend to break em and it cost more than they save especially that lower lip on the new cascadia
@@totemnihil6099 It's so frustrating to watch fleet drivers trash them or the back of cab fairings without a care while I would give my left kidney to have a max efficiency spec like that right now.
@@totemnihil6099 My father was a fleet mechanic for 40 years!!! Thank You for your hard work!!
I think you have to look at some of the intangibles
Such as safety - Volvo is the only truck to have an air bag
The amount of crash testing that Volvo does contributes to there design such items like their engine is designed to go under the frame rails instead of sliding into the drivers compartment in the case of a frontal collision
Volvos cab is also significantly less noisy and transmits less vibration therefore the driver has less fatigue by the end of the day
Fleet companies don't care about drivers comfort or safety. All they care about is how much money can they save.
Please compare Freightliner cascadia vs T680 next generation next
i own a freightliner 2022 cascadia and the truck has 350,000 miles. i had zero problems. let me say that again I HAD ZERO PROBLEMS. this truck is amazing. also my average mpg is about 9mpg but thats because i always run 65 mph
You do realize that the average truck today can get about 1,000,000 miles before it needs an overhaul so at 350,000 miles with no issues as you claim that’s only 35% of the lifespan of the engine that’s not nothing then come back again once your truck gets 600,000 700,000 miles and let’s see how what you say then
@@nasheemwhye5197 you butt hurt my boy? Lol. Your ass being all red tells me I’m right.
Are you sure those are Gen 5 engines in the Cascadias?
Being 2020 models, they were most likely built in 2019 and the Gen 5 wasn’t available until the beginning of 2021.
What size tires?
DT12- OD or direct?
Volvos- TC or VGT?
Details are important.
Accurate
Volvo all the way. So comfortable.
But short on adequate legroom for taller drivers.
I’m owner operator. I will never go Volvo.less sale in USA less money for upgrades .at 2018 they both had a new looking model. But Volvo only changed engine hood.😂😂😂😂13 litres engine using more fuel than 15 litres dd15 😂😂😂 now 2025 Volvo copying Freightliner common rail engine ，gear shifter . Even folding bed😂😂😂😂if it s really good why Walmart don’t has even 1 of them 😂😂😂😂😂
did you not watch the video? The Freightliners are way better in every way. maybe slightly more comfort but this is a business not a vacation.
Thank you for sharing such valuable data. Very generous of you!
this is an old video by the time I found it. why I believe the cascadia will will the fuel mileage debate, to get the real cost to compare, the empty miles vs loaded miles combined with total weight for loads. I do like the video.
Sleepers; VNL860 is far superior interior size and amenities compared to the Tiny Freightliner Sleeper with no options for anything bigger.
This was very informative. Do you have videos for cascadia Vs Mack ?
Great analysis, though not exactly fair as you specified your Volvos with the version of the D13 which is tuned to the max with 1850 ft.lb torque for some reason and you should have specified version which are more closely tuned to the 1650 ft.lb that your DD-15s are tuned to because you seem happy with that. Those more economy oriented tunings of D13 obviously exist. Even so, would have only closed the gap and there still issues of parts and service availability so the conclusion is still reasonable, not the sweetest ride on the market but Freightliner is the market leader due to fuel economy and service availability.
What is the upfront cost difference on the Freightliners vs the Volvo's? I know long term the fuel costs and repair costs are a bigger concern, but it would be nice to look at it as more of a "life of the truck" thing. What is the residual value difference on the trucks (I know tough to do on 2020 trucks).
Volvo is a significantly cheaper brand whether it's new or used. I'm currently leasing a Western Star DD13.
Blatantly wrong lol it's not significantly cheaper. They both hover in the same market demographic. Traditionally a cascadia is cheaper
@TrickyMickTrucking A Freightliner Western Star😅
Both trucks are nice I’m partial to Volvo but due my
Own truck peterbilt 389 with a Cummins X15
Try running the Cummins ISX 15 in the Volvo's. they get better fuel mileage when coupled with an Eaton Fuller 18 speed manual As far as down time I have see Cascadia drivers waiting up to 2 weeks to get parts especially if it's the Control Module. BTW did any of the Volvo's have an APU? My APU of choice is #GreenAPU.
Great video. I’ve always been curious about this topic.Keepum comin. Thanks
1850Tq compared to 1650bis a BIG difference.
It also wasn't stated if this was the D13-TC motor or the old spec 455...? The TC motor is Huge difference in Fuel Efficiency and eliminates the Variable Vane turbo for a stronger and more reliable ball bearing Forged compressor traditional turbo.
both of thoose are rookie numbers the volvo FH 16 750 makes 2618 ft lbs
I'd like to know which one does better on the heavier loads. I haul bulk commodities. Your average freight is 26k mine is closer to 54k. And do your trucks have apu's?
For many truckers now i mean 5k is 5k but now with the long haul going the way it is and the pay they would rather see which truck has the better interior that they will be living in… which seems to be the draw to the volvo from what ive seen.
Excellent video very informative I have a question can I buy a Volvo with DD15 engine or a cummins engine Will it help with the fuel consumption I drove a Volvo and I drove a freightliner Volvos are super comfortable
Detroit DD15s are Daimler exclusive (Freightliner/Western Star). You might do a little better with a Cummins X15 Efficiency but I doubt it, and you'll be adding a good chunk of weight for no real gain in anything other than power and better parts availability. Conversely if you step down to the Volvo D11 you might gain a little MPG but you'll sacrifice your performance on hills. Not bad if you're only running fairly local with no major grades but you'll have a hard time selling it to anyone that isn't similarly specialized. D13/iShift is going to generally be your best efficiency powertrain for an OTR Volvo truck.
Freightliner is an underrated truck from my experience they are much better than International
I’m getting 8.8 miles per gallon at the speed of 70 miles with Volvo 860
Thanks for sharing!
Have you ever tried a Cascadia with a DD13-505 for comparison to the DD15?
So I've watched alot of your videos and I always,always like them! I come back and most of the time the like is GONE! I've noticed it with this,I watched yesterday.
One crucial determining factor left out here is average speed. Obviously if you’re averaging 70mph you’ll burn more fuel than averaging 60mph
Average doesn't mean anythhing. You can run 8 hours on 75 and then stuck on start stop traffic on 10-20 mph for 2 hours. You will average more than somebody doing 60 for 11 hours.
@@chrishar110 u misssed the point buddy
You missed the meaning of word average. You should explain better what you want to say.
no. I made my point. You will burn more fuel averaging 70 than you will 60. I made it point and it stands. Idc about your extra what ifs. I run otr in all 48 states a strategically route around major cities and/or cities known for traffic. 9 times out of 10 if im sitting in traffic it’s bc of an accident or construction So you’re “scenario” of sitting in traffic burns more fuel is something that happens a couple times a week at most. when the weeks over your truck isn’t averaging 10-20mph is it?
@@BriskyJamthey are probably getting this numbers from their ifta fuel report numbers
Love the video Ronen thank you
as an o/o that savings in fuel would cover my california reg ($2800) hvut ($550) and a years worth of my cell phone ($90/mo) and id still have $1200 left over….so it makes a difference. thanks for sharing that information!
does ET run single wide tires w/self inflation? what about aero kits?
Great Video..just finding your channel...I'm a new subscriber as welll...keep up the awesome work
Excellent video thanks for sharing.
The Volvo has 200lb ft more torque. Idle times and truck weight should of been brought up too. Same tires also?
Seeing ET trucks here in Bangor Maine. Very cool. By the way- I'm a company driver and I drive a 2021 VNL760- You are spot on about the Volvos. I get about 7.5 when I'm lucky.
I just acquired a 2023 Cascadia that is an automatic Detroit. Getting 6.5 currently and was hoping for a lot better. Will it improve drastically as it gets broken in? Hope so...
That entirely depends on how you spec’d the truck. What’s the differential ratio on your truck? What’s the engine under the hood? Do you have an overdrive or a direct drive transmission?
I have a 2014 Cascadia with DD13(450hp, 1650 torque) and a 10 speed manual transmission with overdrive
Thanks for explaining but please mention the reatio of the cascadia S well I like freightliner always
thx for the cut and dried comparison !
Great review lots of good tarmac homework. Thanks.
Having driven both I prefer the Volvo as it is more comfortable and has a smoother ride and the turning radius seems better. COMFORT as a company driver is the highest issue with me. Every other concern you mentioned is NOT my problem. As a company driver I want the best driving environment possible, and Volvo delivers.
I am a Freightliner fan. Now, more then ever! Information Video
I’ll take that Volvo over the Freightliner, but my favorite truck is the Kenworth T680. Never been a fan of Freightliners.
Thanks for this video...👍 I agree about not having payments etc...my 20 year old Pete 379 has a 1.8 million mile CAT C15 single turbo specd at 475hp, 3.36 gears and a 13 speed...i average about 5 to 5.25 mpgs, and i run pretty flat interstate 75% of the of the time...cruise at 70-72 mph at 1450 rpms...but no emissions issues and no payments...shes very reliable for 1.8 million and one in frame overhaul...i can park it when ever i want and make a monthly insurance payment only...in todays market its probably very stressful to make expensive new truck payments and stay afloat...I do spend a little in repairs and maintenance but I like to stay away from tow bills even though I have towing in my insurance...and i try to do shop time with planned home time etc
On empty no. Hills I get over 8 pmg on my Pete 579 13 speed. Loaded now with hills 5. 5 to about 7
What’s the rear end ratio of that truck? Engine?
Do you have any freightliner's with the DD13 engine for comparison? I actually prefer those to the DD15. Great video.
dd15 is much better on fuel than a dd13.
Hi, is there any difference from Cascadia x Volvo in 2023? I heard the Volvo engine got upgraded since 2020! If it's possible, could you run an update video?
I'd like to see a comparison of accident rates. I've noticed it's always the Freightliners that run off the road in snowstorms, often with Punjab drivers who have never seen snow.
Tell one part from freightliner that doesn’t shake when is idling? And is annoying all those cheap plastics making noises while I’m trying to sleep.
Been watching alot of videos of guys showing load board rates/miles. Some even back to 2019 and those were some eye popping videos. Sub $2 per mile was the norm.
Thank you very much very helpful video
Love these videos, thanks foe the information
Glad you like them!
Frankly, I’m surprised that your mileage per gallon and uptime numbers on your Volvos were that low. My Volvo numbers are better than your best Volvo, and are on par with how a comparable Freightliner Cascadia would do.
I solo-drive a 2020 Volvo VNL 760 that is similarly spec’d out as a company driver for Swift, and I found that by keeping the Jake in the off position, and by putting in fuel system cleaner every 2-4 fillups (I use Howe’s Meener Kleener but Lucas and several other brands are good), and I’m able to average 7.9 miles per gallon and am outperforming your best-performing Volvo. I’m running the Western USA and the Midwest, and most of my loads are at or over 30,000 pounds with very few empty deadhead miles.
Awhile back, one of our in-house mechanics at Swift told me that the Volvos are more sensitive to blockages in the fuel system from dirt and crud, and that that can cause a decline in a Volvo’s fuel mileage pretty quickly. So, if you put in fuel injector cleaner every few fillups, a Volvo will perform better both in terms of mileage driven and reliability.
Maybe you could do a comparison of mpg between drivers who use fuel system cleaning additives vs drivers who don’t?
Were all the trucks governed? If so, Are they governed at the same speed?
When is ET coming to the west Coast
That's a great question!
I preferred Freightliner, of course much better 😅
Are the trucks running the exact same tires? Make and model?
Absolutely love my mans Freightliner
Superb..great use of your super powers
I've been a Class A CDL driver for 25 years and have driven all kinds of equipment and hauled several kinds of loads. For my money the Freightliner wins. Volvo has the comfort, look and power but everyone I drove had issues and down time. Freightliners were basic maintenance and sometimes warranty parts that fail but the down time is minimal. Western Star and Freightliner are the most reliable brand of trucks that I've driven. Love Kenworth and Peterbilt but they are expensive and their cabs are too small and most of the ones I've driven were unreliable. Internationals weren't bad in reliability just down in power and comfort. Macks are nice looking and rugged but that's where it stops. Fords and Sterling were solid trucks but old tanks with low power and uncomfortable cabs. If I were to own a fleet, no doubt Freightliner and Western Star are my go to brand of trucks. As long as it's speced out correctly and not misused, they'll make their money back quickly 🤙🏼♥️ 🇺🇲
What is the governor in those truck or how fast you guys go? And how heavy the load are?
I was wondering how you measured the mpg. Was it off the ECM or was it calculated miles/gallon off fill ups?
Not too much of a surprise for UK operators. Volvo has neve given the ulitmate MPG when compared to Scania and Mercedes. on 450hp. Currently Mercedes is best but roadholdin in all weather it's the Scania. (Scania is sister company to Volvo in Sweded).
Scania is not a sister company to Volvo. They're under entirely different ownership and are totally different trucks.
Sister was obviously the wrong word, as I'm only to well aware of which is what, They both hailed from the same country. How's that?.
Nah bro. Scanias are the most diesels efficient and have been for a long time. However, because of higher adblue consumption due to twin scr system in Scania, Volvo is currently leading in overall fuel consumption. There's a far cry between Mercedes and swedes; total bullshit.
Scania is not sister company to Volvo it actually competitor. Scania is sister to MAN and both are owned by Volkswagen
Agree with Brian's October 25, 2021 video, 1850 ft.lb is a silly high spec. for the Volvo.
Hi Ronen, Would you be able to do a video on Western Star 49X.
Thanks.
I wouldn't expect Ronen's company to run any of those by their own choice. For OTR use, they're basically a more expensive but less aerodynamic Cascadia. Same powertrain and sleeper, but a square hood, vertical exhausts, and no skirts. They're better for certain more severe applications like logging and construction where ground clearance & engine cooling matters more than aerodynamics, but for pulling vans from warehouse to warehouse you're just paying a premium to have a more old-school look.
I use only PACCAR trucks. Peterbilt and Kenworth. They cost more but are worth it.
Lol, five 2022 auto Peterbilt and five trucks down for two week in the first 3 months absolute junk
Paccar is trash had nothing but bad luck and my buddy had a 200k miles one and already wants to get rid of it due to no parts.
Paccar is junk
It’s deceiving because even though you implied that the mileage difference is due to downtime, the real issue is the routes being driven. Out west, speed limits are 75mph and it’s wide open roads. Down south it’s 55mph and clogged roads. Are the routes the same? You should make sure you’re comparing apples to apples.
Also Volvos are more comfortable for the driver than a freight shaker. Most of the geniuses watching this will never have a fleet, will always be owner operator with 1 truck, so they should probably choose comfort. Business wise, if you plan on building a fleet, freight shakers are the way to go due to their mass production, and not caring about the drivers comfort.
I company drive a current gen Freightliner and I absolutely hate the steering, suspension, and "safety" features. Totally understand why my company uses Freightliner Cascadia trucks but I don't think that I would own one given the choice of having a Kenworth, Peterbilt, or even a Volvo.
Volvo is so comfortable. I’d take it all day long.
It depends on the driver. I am much more comfortable in a rougher riding KW than the euro stuff. Definitely not a KW fan and for me the ergonomics are very bad. I drove a pretty new merc. Yes it's very comfortable in every material way, but i am more comfortable with the way the KW (K200) handles. Euros i feel disconnected from.
My Freightliner cares a lot about my comfort and she's paid for
@@pocolaokgmail You’re bias to your shaker. There’s a reason why it earned that name. No one is saying it’s a bad truck but like anything, there’s equipment you buy for yourself and then there’s equipment you buy in bulk for your business. Shakers are a business decision.
Customers are a lot happier when their stuff is delivered on time. If you aren't able to re power a load during a breakdown, the 3 day versus 14 day repair time gets huge for time sensitive ( just in time) customers.
If possible, plz make a video about International trucks as well
Ronen, Thank you buddy. Invaluable info.
Great info thank you .
There is a new International LT625 with new powertrain from new owners TRATON (Scania) 13 Liter engine , trans and aftertreatment. Can you make a fuel economy comparision with this new integrated powertrain?
Comment below Ronin do comparisons on t680 and pete 579
How would you feel if you geared the trucks to 2.15 gear ratio for better mpg
Did you mention the cost to buy the trucks?
Which one is less and by how much?
Brilliant channel
Can u plzz do 2021 and 2022 cascadia mpg analysis in ET
Great video
Victor the Volvo VNL 860, Frank the Freightliner Cascadia, William the Western Star 57X, Peter the Peterbilt 579, Mack Anderson the Mack Anthem and Ken Wilkinson the Kenworth T680.
1 important detail you missed, because of the 0.5mpg you will keep volvos for the double amount of years than cascadias !
Will you?
@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News current volvo 1.9 milion ! No rebuild
So the Freightliner is all around a better financial investment. First of all, they cost a lot less than a Volvo. The maintenance is easier and less expensive. They get better fuel mileage. So this tells me the only reason someone would have a Volvo is because it's more luxurious, nicer more appropriated interior better fit and finish and a smoother ride personally, I think I'd rather save more money than just have a nicer looking truck
This guy compared a DD15/1650 TQ with a D13/1850 TQ,more torque more fuel,you can get a D13 with less torque and have same or better mpg, you can have more comfort for the same price,Volvo is a better truck in any way.
good info ..thks
Thanks for watching!
TC on Volvo rules anyway.
Beside slight dif toward Fred there is also a factor how comfortable your truck is to drive. Yes Fred beats Volvo in revenues but Volvo beats Fred in comfort, field of view, and better transmission. Unless you are building a big trucking company it doesn't really matter what brand as soon as you like it.
What about cascadia 2023 vs kenworth t680 2023 ..which one save money
ET Transport are you Volvos equip with the D13TC engine?
It all depends on each drivers foot
Good Video
Thanks for watching!
What platform do you use to track fuel consumption and revenue?
But when you're a single truck company a caterpillar on a tri-true and tested 18 speed is going to get you further than any Volvo for any Freightliner with the least amount of downtime cuz how much money do you lose if you are setting at a TA or a petrol or a Love or Whatever you are going to be further ahead with a solid pre emission C15 cat with manual transmission single turbo remember you can take a diesel engine and after you start it you can take everything electrical off of it and it will run if you can get it Fuel and Air a single owner operator does not need all that electrical stuff it's just bored to go wrong I'll take my six and a half miles to the gallon any day of the week my cats never left me sitting and I've had one sensor go out over the course of 2 years
You are comparing apples to oranges. Yes a guy that owns his truck can have a pre emission, but a fleet can't.
What do you get for mpg?
trucks that did not run higher mileage it's not just based on down time,dispatch and driver can be involved by not providing the load and delivering late. in these cases idle time causes poor mpg.