I work for on of the support manufacturers you listed, Tokyo Electron. ASML's scanners really are a sight to behold as they're being installed, truly marvels of engineering. Our tools are extremely well built as well, and are fascinating to watch when they're working. The speed with which they transfer wafers to the many steps of the photolithography process, including the scanner, is something out of a sci-fi film.
I work for another support manufacturer, also for the wafer stage, seeing it in the testing tools is insane. Mindblowing how fast yet precise the movements are
I've been on the prototyping/building/design side of of Intels EUV Vaccum Control System for almost 8 years now, multiple revisions, tweaking, process updates, it never ends. But I'm the only one in my group that knows what the ASML Lithography machine actually is, and that I tie into that machine to make it function. All because 8 years ago I was asked if I want to take on the challenge of prototyping the first version based on terrible drawings and documentation, and I said yes, and somehow the whole project dropped into my lap instead of getting laid off when they moved production out to the new Oregon Facility. I went out there for 3 months to train my replacements, and came home to a work from home job I wasn't expecting, it all worked out in the end 🙂
Yup that they create the tiny bits that make silicon into a powerful tool in and of itself is a little left of outright magic. I can only imagine when they start making monolithic nitride devices that use photons instead of electrons. 😮❤
Your content never fails to impress me. You have brought immense amount of information to us and amazing accuracy. I wonder how you managed to do such comprehensive research unless you have very reliable industry connection. Just want to say thank you and amazing work.
@@gilligan87 Oh really? That'd explain a lot :-) But even allowing for that, I'm just blown away by the depth of research and information he brings to each new video. I can't imagine how he can possibly manage to do this level of research and production and (apparently) at the same time hold down a full-time job doing something else! :-0
I'd say even more so because there are typically often far more failures than there are successes. They offer far larger sample sizes to learn from. And the lessons you can learn from them are likely to be more universal than the successes.
Not sure this was a true failure for Nikon, it is just ASML/Intel are so in-bed with each other, penetrating the chip manufacturing market for companies that can afford $200M machines is quite limited. Although Nikon may have lagged technologically, just a bit (not much), it is the networking between the two dominate players in this Tech Space that became Nikons Achilles heel.
@@harthenry I'm prerry sure the lesson is, "get your shit together and gather a sufficient war chest to fund your R&D if you want to be cutting edge and an industry leader." The war chest could be any mix of cash, miscellaneous capitol assets, facilities, tallent, and customer consultants, but you have to have a sufficient war chest. Nikon/the Japanese reasearch associations just had insufficient reasources applied into beating ASML.😅
Holy crap, I never imagined the level of complexity that goes into making chips. I knew it was difficult, but never to that extent. That was super interesting video, thanks!
Yeah, Lance, totally glossing over the UFO connection to the semiconductor industry. That’s why the best computers run 13.5nm laser-based glassinum hive clusters bathed in liquid nitrogen.
The more I watch these kinds of videos the more I realise just how a clusterfuck of a waste of money it was to spend 44 billion on twitter. That amount of money could have single handedly created a slew of thriving cutting tech industries practically from nothing.
It’s moments like this that make me laugh when people claim laissez faire capitalism will always properly allocate resources. It may make progress in fits and starts, but it can also be obscenely wasteful.
@@TheDuck1234 So find the technological idea and researchers wich make it happen. Chances are there that it didn't work out even several times. Some people are very good in convincing. Than this can go for a long time. I think the more wealthy you are the more contact you make with these people.
I disagree with your assessment. It has already moved the masses and broken the iron grip of globalist hegemony on public opinion that cannot be undone. In the long term, this is worth infinitely more that any losses in said purchase. It will take a couple years to bear fruit, but the change in mental direction was/is critical for the species and the planet as a whole. There have already been white papers by companies like blackrock basically forecasting the end of globalism.
I was surprised to learn ASML has really only been in their forefront position since the latter years of the 2010s i.e. about half a decade now. The way they're talked about nowadays you'd think they were this hitherto little known (cos semiconductor supply chains only became a hot topic recently due to geopolitical tensions) but key player in the global tech economy, but no they only really rose to prominence recently (rose, not founded, that happened all the way back in 1984). EUV is literally the one big thing that makes them important now, which they got into thanks to acquisitions, they weren't anything too important before it. Which also means if the technology in semiconductors changes again, ASML will be left in the dust (unless they can use their newfound position to keep up with the changing trends in the industry).
ASML was and is huge in all previous UV step and repeat systems. They just have competition in that arena. There are ASML I-line steppers where I work that were built in the early 1990s with Zeiss optics stamped “made in West Germany”. ASML is famous now because they’re the only game in town for EUV and that makes them a strategic resource at a national security level. But they’ve been doing business in this space for well over 30 years.
@@Grak70 Yeah they've been doing business since 1984. But they weren't so talked about before cos, as you say, there were plenty of alternatives. They weren't anywhere near as big either. EUV practically made ASML what it is now.
@@ArawnOfAnnwn correct, but they also ship dozens of twinscan platforms a year at all wavelengths. Most of them are I-line or KrF. Characterizing ASML as a one trick pony with EUV is just not true.
The serious problem of Japan is that bureaucrats are totally useless. No company can get along with costly R&D itself alone... Please refrain from the 5th generation as requested below. It was an another nightmare,,.
Aye. But it seems that Intel move really sealed its fate from the economics perspective. In hindsight, it might have been a poor long term decision for Intel and other chip manufacturer to be left with a single high end equipment manufacturer monopolizing the market. If Intel signaled they would also be interested in Japanese EUV machines, we might have two competitors for chip manufacturers to select and drive competition.
@@syjiang They probably trasure more control over competition. Japan is an ally, sure, but the ties with europe are stronger and the US can control EU better, unfortunately....
Hopefully US govt will fund its science & technology departments a lot more. These govt ran institutions are a lot less risk averse than corporations, so they're willing to fund bleeding edge tech that may or may not be fruitful.
@@alexmcmahon2810 then take this to your senators and lobby them to increase funding to the tech and research fields have them get spending close to that of the military budget and youd literally have warp drives and flying cars in 2 years
DOE is also responsible for technology that made the shale boom possible in the US. It's reasonable to be against fossil fuels but it did provide the US oil independence.
Xray proximity's primary downfall was the mask. It was a thin membrane with Au or W absorber which was not rigid/ stable enough to meet pattern distortion specifications.
Here's a reccomendation: I get topics like this in my recommendations list. I have no idea what EUV is. It would be good to describe what the video is about in the beginning.
Seems like most assessments concluded that proximity x-ray would have been the best, and most scalable technology. But having to build synchrotrons scared people away. I think in the end the joke may be on them. EUV is expensive, inherently not very scalable, and ultimately took decades to develop. Hard to see how the same investment in x-ray based lithography wouldn't have everyone better positioned by now...
China is developing a synchrotron radiation based steady state electron microbunching EUV, different from the Free electron laser based Laser pulsed plasma EUV used by ASML. The SSMB EUV can give a much high power radiation along with a much more stable and efficient performance at a reasonable cost. Tsinghua University along with Helmholtz-Zentrum Berlin has already verified it's proof of principle. Further research is ongoing at Tsinghua University, a prototype is supposed to come out by 2026 and commercialization within this decade.
I really like your videos, my father worked for several Japanese companies, NEC, Nikon, I know he also works with several universities, etc... My father was involved in some of the processes of the machinery you mention, especially in defects ... I really liked it because some of the solutions you mentioned came from my father's group. My father always said that the Japanese were hard workers, but sometimes they weren't very smart. They had a hard time being imaginative in finding solutions to problems. My father then went to a European company, although I think he was working for IBM or Intel... and then he retired. But this video has made me very funny, I still remember my father's discussions about some of those issues and how hard it was for them to solve the problems.
Side note: IBM (back when they were a major fab power), bet big on X-Ray machines. The epilog to that chapter appeared in Spectrum magazine, who detailed that a visit to the IBM fab saw those machines sitting out back under tarps. End of dream.
I think it is worth pointing out as the historical context that GaAs research at the Japanese national lab was banned after Cray failed to produce HPC system based on GaAs chip and accused Japanese government for subsidizing the Japanese computer companies R&D. Well, I suppose it has to be explained why this accusation was accepted, which is rather something to do with the conflict between communist regime and capitalist regime. Also, what the US government did in order to hold some former enemies as their allies (part of capitalism regime), which backfired as disadvantage to domestic industries.
Taiwan, Japan, USA and EU should have started a collaboration in 2000. This was a major undertaking comparable to going to the moon or building a fusion reactor.
Nah, EU should keep this tech to itself, and definitely not collab with someone like USA who would just backstab it the first chance it got. The fact the entire world depends on products only EU companies managed to build, and literally nobody else in the world can't build them no matter hard they've tried, is a big power that EU holds in hands.
@@derbigpr500 it's not true Americans practically own ASML. It's not a matter of if nations can invent these machines, it's a matter of if whether they need to. Americans have created enough fears in the hearts of not only their 'enemies' but allies too. This is a bad time to be science and technology.
I love your videos. I have not watched them all, but have you covered the success of ASML and Cymers' DUV contributions up to the point ASML bought Cymer in 2013?
This is really fascinating! It really shows that despite being leaders in semiconductor production technologies for a very long time, Japan has trouble competing in the current EUV lithography tech. On a side note, we know that China is blocked from accessing this technology but is there information to show that they are developing their own home grown or "inspired" solution.
Everything is possible, only question of money. If Japanese had more research fund and not caught in decades of recession. The EUV scene would look very different today.
First rule of Use Of Acronyms: at first use, expand and explain definition. I thought we're talking electric utility vehicles (which is the first result in google btw), not the lithography method for semiconductors! 🙄
I'm sure this video is good. If I had a clue what it was about. I loved the video about Japan's economic history so I clicked on this but I haven't a clue what an EUV or an asmr is
Hope was up when China offered Nikon big $ to develop euv machines 2 years ago. However, this hope was quashed by the United States in its recent Chip alliance with Japan's compliance to fend off China at Nikon's cost.
so what is the boundary between DUV and EUV? I am seeming occasional references that products on the 7nm and earlier nodes are DUV while 4nm and later are EUV
Nanoimprint is a cute idea but it’s a dead end. Nobody’s going to buy hundreds of nanoimprint tools just to keep up with their backend scanners than can crank out 200+ wafers per hour.
I am very curious about the so called NIL technique that was announced by Canon. Will Canon win back the leading position by realizing and commercialising the technique? I just wonder if there's any chance that you would share on this topic
@@Grak70 I dunno..... Canon seems pretty confident and are putting a lot of faith and resources into solving it's problems. Maybe it won't work out. Maybe it will.
"In any system of energy, Control is what consumes energy the most. No energy store holds enough energy to extract an amount of energy equal to the total energy it stores. No system of energy can deliver sum useful energy in excess of the total energy put into constructing it. This universal truth applies to all systems. Energy, like time, flows from past to future".
Am I understanding correctly that Nikon was going strong and then just... stopped, because Intel chose ASML? This sounds so short-sighted and just right out dumb on their part.
But what happens if another government happened to get it's hands on Japan's EUV research? It would be a huge leg up for them & cut the time estimate significantly, wouldn't it?
Mark Felton's a hack. He's far more concerned about clicks than historical accuracy and has a bad habit of using other people's work without attribution.
Nope. Asianometry actually knows what he is talking about. As someone who worked in the heart of the microlithography tool industry for 25+ years, I respect Asianometry's accuracy and thoroughness. He never twists things to hype a story.
@@robinmorritt7493 It's difficult to discern whether a comparison of any UA-cam creator to Mark Felton is a compliment or an insult, unless an explanation is also given. As I have a high opinion of Asianometry's content, and a low opinion of MF's content, I consider it a bad comparison.
@@vibrolax I blocked MF to save me putting my fist through my monitor screen, so I know what you mean. 😁 It was an unfortunate choice, but Mastakilla meant well so I was just putting in a word of sympathy, really. 😊
Do you have any suspicions regarding major "disruptive" processes or "architectures" for replacements for integrated circuits as they seemingly are approaching physical miniaturization limits?
Silicon photonics looks likely to take at least part of the market, they're already appearing in optical switches for fibre optic networking gear- ua-cam.com/video/29aTqLvRia8/v-deo.html & ua-cam.com/video/t0yj4hBDUsc/v-deo.html
I see with pride and excitement ASMLs machines being transported on weekends toward Schiphol airport by trucks. But natural or not, monopoly is never good. Giving up on r&d by comprtitors of ASML will stall the progress in future.
18:50 Gas cloud collapses on itself- “...just like a newborn protostar,” I thought.🌟 “...just like a dying star,” said Aisanometry. 😲 Have I been astrophysicsing too much?
IT is not so much failure as it is a case of micro contamination control of cleanrooms since it is not some 1940s world when machinery could take abuse.
Probably because Japan already has sort of a monopoly on the photolithography section of semiconductor manufacturing. My company, Tokyo Electron, manufactures a vast majority of the "support" tools for the scanners. Our Lithius Pro Z tools handle resist, coater, and developer dispensing on the wafers. Our tools basically handle everything other than the scanning, and our Lithius tools are connected directly to ASML's scanners.
Zeiss technology in ASML is main component, Japanese smartphones manufacturers uses Zeiss lenses. No technological component was present in Japanese's EUV failure just short deadline, but maybe some isolation from technology was the cause of failure.
Japanese manufacturers tend to vertically integrate all processes within their own companies. I've heard that unlike Japanese photolithography equipment manufacturers, ASML is Philips-led and has excellent software collaboration with internal component manufacturers.
I'm not familiar with a .01 of this. It took me half the video to figure out that this was about semiconductor production. I have some terms to look up.
@@vincentlin9350 Are you confusing the EUV machine with the Nanoimprint machine? I know that Canon is building Nanoimprint machine which can be a competitor with EUV and its is in trial run state
I think this video is extremely generous on the Japanese failure. They were consistently behind US and got tech insight yet they never managed to successfully make a production ready machine.
Mice, how did pixart take over Avago and get all the mice sensors, Agilent and HP. looks like a few patents were involved. would love to know more. mouse sensor with mythic.
Japan's deep engrained culture is good at perfecting but terrible at innovating. I lived it working with big name corporation. Their engineers are great, but decision making is top-down, bureaucratic & def risk-averse. Out of touch old men at the helm.
1 failure to another failure, that why today i heard that germany took third place over japan in yearly GDP. As Japan lags behind in the field of electric vehicles, the situation will only get worse.
What this relentless, costly human efforts to pursue a "so called superior" technology, which directly exposes the fact that one requires a set of complicated machinery just to carry out only a certain function, and thus man's low level of technological knowledge which existed only from one nano level to merely another nano level, would do any good to the Earth?
I work for on of the support manufacturers you listed, Tokyo Electron. ASML's scanners really are a sight to behold as they're being installed, truly marvels of engineering. Our tools are extremely well built as well, and are fascinating to watch when they're working. The speed with which they transfer wafers to the many steps of the photolithography process, including the scanner, is something out of a sci-fi film.
I work for another support manufacturer, also for the wafer stage, seeing it in the testing tools is insane. Mindblowing how fast yet precise the movements are
I've been on the prototyping/building/design side of of Intels EUV Vaccum Control System for almost 8 years now, multiple revisions, tweaking, process updates, it never ends. But I'm the only one in my group that knows what the ASML Lithography machine actually is, and that I tie into that machine to make it function. All because 8 years ago I was asked if I want to take on the challenge of prototyping the first version based on terrible drawings and documentation, and I said yes, and somehow the whole project dropped into my lap instead of getting laid off when they moved production out to the new Oregon Facility. I went out there for 3 months to train my replacements, and came home to a work from home job I wasn't expecting, it all worked out in the end 🙂
Yup that they create the tiny bits that make silicon into a powerful tool in and of itself is a little left of outright magic. I can only imagine when they start making monolithic nitride devices that use photons instead of electrons. 😮❤
@@michaelkeudel8770 damn dude your life is so much more interesting than mine
Your content never fails to impress me. You have brought immense amount of information to us and amazing accuracy. I wonder how you managed to do such comprehensive research unless you have very reliable industry connection. Just want to say thank you and amazing work.
He has the connection indeed ;)
@@totenkopfgrgdfhb1336 you’d be surprised how much info you can get by just asking.
He has stated in other videos that he has a family member who works for TSMC
@@gilligan87 Oh really? That'd explain a lot :-) But even allowing for that, I'm just blown away by the depth of research and information he brings to each new video. I can't imagine how he can possibly manage to do this level of research and production and (apparently) at the same time hold down a full-time job doing something else! :-0
Depth of research is amazing 😍😍😍
Learning failures is as important as learning success.
I'd say even more so because there are typically often far more failures than there are successes. They offer far larger sample sizes to learn from. And the lessons you can learn from them are likely to be more universal than the successes.
@@Girder3 that, and with hindsight you can see why you failed but you don't necessarily see why you succeed.
Not sure this was a true failure for Nikon, it is just ASML/Intel are so in-bed with each other, penetrating the chip manufacturing market for companies that can afford $200M machines is quite limited. Although Nikon may have lagged technologically, just a bit (not much), it is the networking between the two dominate players in this Tech Space that became Nikons Achilles heel.
@@harthenry OMG it was a huge failure for Nikon. ASML/Intel need so many lessons until they succeed in penetrating
@@harthenry I'm prerry sure the lesson is, "get your shit together and gather a sufficient war chest to fund your R&D if you want to be cutting edge and an industry leader." The war chest could be any mix of cash, miscellaneous capitol assets, facilities, tallent, and customer consultants, but you have to have a sufficient war chest. Nikon/the Japanese reasearch associations just had insufficient reasources applied into beating ASML.😅
Holy crap, I never imagined the level of complexity that goes into making chips. I knew it was difficult, but never to that extent. That was super interesting video, thanks!
Should watch his other video, euv is just crazy
Yes, it's not magic however. Enough time and funding will get the technology rolling.
Mee too ,crazy chip tech whirlwind
And no mention of the extraterrestrial intelligent life really behind the designs.
Yeah, Lance, totally glossing over the UFO connection to the semiconductor industry. That’s why the best computers run 13.5nm laser-based glassinum hive clusters bathed in liquid nitrogen.
いつもながら、豊富な情報量ですね。勉強になります。ところでAsianometryさんは、日本語の資料を直接お読みになるのでしょうか？
日本の半導体露光装置の研究史のような、高度に専門的な内容を、英訳された資料だけで、ここまで詳細に調査するのは難しいのではないかと推測します。
アイコンの奈良の鹿ちゃんが読んでくれているのかな？🤔笑
The more I watch these kinds of videos the more I realise just how a clusterfuck of a waste of money it was to spend 44 billion on twitter. That amount of money could have single handedly created a slew of thriving cutting tech industries practically from nothing.
It’s moments like this that make me laugh when people claim laissez faire capitalism will always properly allocate resources. It may make progress in fits and starts, but it can also be obscenely wasteful.
The 44 billion didn’t disappear, a lot of other people have it now. Just try to convince them to pay for your “oh so important “ project.
@@TheDuck1234 So find the technological idea and researchers wich make it happen. Chances are there that it didn't work out even several times. Some people are very good in convincing. Than this can go for a long time. I think the more wealthy you are the more contact you make with these people.
Same
I disagree with your assessment. It has already moved the masses and broken the iron grip of globalist hegemony on public opinion that cannot be undone. In the long term, this is worth infinitely more that any losses in said purchase. It will take a couple years to bear fruit, but the change in mental direction was/is critical for the species and the planet as a whole. There have already been white papers by companies like blackrock basically forecasting the end of globalism.
Gigaphoton. The most badass company name I've ever heard. Ever.
Right outta a Godzilla movie right?
I was surprised to learn ASML has really only been in their forefront position since the latter years of the 2010s i.e. about half a decade now. The way they're talked about nowadays you'd think they were this hitherto little known (cos semiconductor supply chains only became a hot topic recently due to geopolitical tensions) but key player in the global tech economy, but no they only really rose to prominence recently (rose, not founded, that happened all the way back in 1984). EUV is literally the one big thing that makes them important now, which they got into thanks to acquisitions, they weren't anything too important before it. Which also means if the technology in semiconductors changes again, ASML will be left in the dust (unless they can use their newfound position to keep up with the changing trends in the industry).
ASML was and is huge in all previous UV step and repeat systems. They just have competition in that arena. There are ASML I-line steppers where I work that were built in the early 1990s with Zeiss optics stamped “made in West Germany”.
ASML is famous now because they’re the only game in town for EUV and that makes them a strategic resource at a national security level. But they’ve been doing business in this space for well over 30 years.
@@Grak70 Yeah they've been doing business since 1984. But they weren't so talked about before cos, as you say, there were plenty of alternatives. They weren't anywhere near as big either. EUV practically made ASML what it is now.
@@ArawnOfAnnwn correct, but they also ship dozens of twinscan platforms a year at all wavelengths. Most of them are I-line or KrF. Characterizing ASML as a one trick pony with EUV is just not true.
@@Grak70 Oh he cos you me correct ship I-line trick pony Germany cos he supply hot topic cos
Indian copes and seethes about europeans out doing asians.
The serious problem of Japan is that bureaucrats are totally useless. No company can get along with costly R&D itself alone... Please refrain from the 5th generation as requested below. It was an another nightmare,,.
Aye. But it seems that Intel move really sealed its fate from the economics perspective. In hindsight, it might have been a poor long term decision for Intel and other chip manufacturer to be left with a single high end equipment manufacturer monopolizing the market. If Intel signaled they would also be interested in Japanese EUV machines, we might have two competitors for chip manufacturers to select and drive competition.
@@syjiang They probably trasure more control over competition. Japan is an ally, sure, but the ties with europe are stronger and the US can control EU better, unfortunately....
As always, impressive videos with detailed information. ¡Gracias por compartir!
It's always interesting to see where the US DOE pops up. Which is basically everywhere cutting-edge innovation occurs.
Hopefully US govt will fund its science & technology departments a lot more. These govt ran institutions are a lot less risk averse than corporations, so they're willing to fund bleeding edge tech that may or may not be fruitful.
@@sevrent2811 Indeed! They're amazing institutions. We should be doubling their budgets if you ask me.
@@alexmcmahon2810 then take this to your senators and lobby them to increase funding to the tech and research fields have them get spending close to that of the military budget and youd literally have warp drives and flying cars in 2 years
DOE is also responsible for technology that made the shale boom possible in the US. It's reasonable to be against fossil fuels but it did provide the US oil independence.
and yet a dutch company successfully make a EUV, not a US company, why is that?
Damn you are CRANKING the videos out. This is one I’ve been looking forward to.
Xray proximity's primary downfall was the mask. It was a thin membrane with Au or W absorber which was not rigid/ stable enough to meet pattern distortion specifications.
Here's a reccomendation: I get topics like this in my recommendations list. I have no idea what EUV is. It would be good to describe what the video is about in the beginning.
If you don't already know what EUV is, then your views are obviously not wanted.
Lolz
Japanese have always been best at incremental improvements. That's why I love their cars.
Downside is the possibly to adopt to paradigm shifts.
😂lmao asian nzis
"The contraption was indeed quite nifty" ... that understatement of the year was indeed quite nifty. Love these videos :)
Keep up the good work
For a split second I thought it would be a Europa Universalis video...
Good to see the reference to Biolante! Not only a gifted scholar but a man of sophisticated tastes as well.
ASMLがCymerを買収した結果から考えても、日本メーカーの光源開発が苦しくなるのは分かっていたと思う。
最先端半導体は開発費が民間企業では手に負えない額になっている。
18:29- 20 metres in diameter? Perhaps 20cm or mm?
Why is there no explanation what EUV stands for, anywhere in the video?
At 18:30 "two twenty meter diameter wheels". Is that a misspeak?
Seems like most assessments concluded that proximity x-ray would have been the best, and most scalable technology. But having to build synchrotrons scared people away. I think in the end the joke may be on them. EUV is expensive, inherently not very scalable, and ultimately took decades to develop. Hard to see how the same investment in x-ray based lithography wouldn't have everyone better positioned by now...
China is developing a synchrotron radiation based steady state electron microbunching EUV, different from the Free electron laser based Laser pulsed plasma EUV used by ASML. The SSMB EUV can give a much high power radiation along with a much more stable and efficient performance at a reasonable cost. Tsinghua University along with Helmholtz-Zentrum Berlin has already verified it's proof of principle. Further research is ongoing at Tsinghua University, a prototype is supposed to come out by 2026 and commercialization within this decade.
Do a video on what happened to x-ray lithography efforts .
~ 2:00 - Yeah, i remember when proximity X-ray lithography using illumination from synchrotron was all the rage.
I really like your videos, my father worked for several Japanese companies, NEC, Nikon, I know he also works with several universities, etc... My father was involved in some of the processes of the machinery you mention, especially in defects ... I really liked it because some of the solutions you mentioned came from my father's group.
My father always said that the Japanese were hard workers, but sometimes they weren't very smart. They had a hard time being imaginative in finding solutions to problems.
My father then went to a European company, although I think he was working for IBM or Intel... and then he retired.
But this video has made me very funny, I still remember my father's discussions about some of those issues and how hard it was for them to solve the problems.
Side note: IBM (back when they were a major fab power), bet big on X-Ray machines. The epilog to that chapter appeared in Spectrum magazine, who detailed that a visit to the IBM fab saw those machines sitting out back under tarps. End of dream.
In light of recent developments, do you plan to make a video on Nano imprint lithography?
I'm just gonna watch some Spongebob Squarepants now.
I'm gonna sing the puddi puddi song.
I think it is worth pointing out as the historical context that GaAs research at the Japanese national lab was banned after Cray failed to produce HPC system based on GaAs chip and accused Japanese government for subsidizing the Japanese computer companies R&D. Well, I suppose it has to be explained why this accusation was accepted, which is rather something to do with the conflict between communist regime and capitalist regime. Also, what the US government did in order to hold some former enemies as their allies (part of capitalism regime), which backfired as disadvantage to domestic industries.
Please explain what EUV is... Not all of us are familiar with the acronyms...
10:30 I'm waiting for "NERV" to pop up...
Taiwan, Japan, USA and EU should have started a collaboration in 2000. This was a major undertaking comparable to going to the moon or building a fusion reactor.
Nah, EU should keep this tech to itself, and definitely not collab with someone like USA who would just backstab it the first chance it got. The fact the entire world depends on products only EU companies managed to build, and literally nobody else in the world can't build them no matter hard they've tried, is a big power that EU holds in hands.
It was no big deal now. Now everyone is shit scared off politics lol
@@derbigpr500 it's not true Americans practically own ASML. It's not a matter of if nations can invent these machines, it's a matter of if whether they need to. Americans have created enough fears in the hearts of not only their 'enemies' but allies too. This is a bad time to be science and technology.
@@derbigpr500You know ASML depends greatly on US companies like Cymer and several other Japanese suppliers for EUV to even be possible, right?
I love your videos. I have not watched them all, but have you covered the success of ASML and Cymers' DUV contributions up to the point ASML bought Cymer in 2013?
This is really fascinating! It really shows that despite being leaders in semiconductor production technologies for a very long time, Japan has trouble competing in the current EUV lithography tech. On a side note, we know that China is blocked from accessing this technology but is there information to show that they are developing their own home grown or "inspired" solution.
They will start producing duv this year
Yes China will succeed where Japan failed, they like US don't shy from investing enough money to do it.
@@vladdx but for euv it will take 10 years..
@@totenkopfgrgdfhb1336 10 years is nothing for China which plans for 50 years
Everything is possible, only question of money. If Japanese had more research fund and not caught in decades of recession. The EUV scene would look very different today.
First rule of Use Of Acronyms: at first use, expand and explain definition. I thought we're talking electric utility vehicles (which is the first result in google btw), not the lithography method for semiconductors! 🙄
Sick delivery, bro
[country][tech][status] You sure do make these video titles easy to put into an excel sheet.
Chock full of valuable information. Wish you had spent 3 seconds to say Extreme UltraViolet Lithography. And maybe talk about what EUV is used for.
Good job with the research! I can imagine it was a lot of work.
Japan is pretty easy to play in EUIV though
I'm sure this video is good. If I had a clue what it was about. I loved the video about Japan's economic history so I clicked on this but I haven't a clue what an EUV or an asmr is
Hope was up when China offered Nikon big $ to develop euv machines 2 years ago. However, this hope was quashed by the United States in its recent Chip alliance with Japan's compliance to fend off China at Nikon's cost.
Can you di a video on asian CNC machining industries?
that Godzilla is comedy gold 20:15
Wow - gripping account. Thx so much.
so what is the boundary between DUV and EUV? I am seeming occasional references that products on the 7nm and earlier nodes are DUV while 4nm and later are EUV
canon is working on nanoimprint technology and expert sales by 2025 so Asml monopoly will be broken
Nanoimprint is a cute idea but it’s a dead end. Nobody’s going to buy hundreds of nanoimprint tools just to keep up with their backend scanners than can crank out 200+ wafers per hour.
How does he get all this in depth information
very interesting (as usual) and well presented (as usual). thank you for all the work and then sharing. I learned a lot (as usual).
20:50 Fun fact: siloxane is the fancy name for silicone, the stuff your spatula is made of.
No it's not🤣
@@titanicisshit1647 silicones are polymerized siloxanes. Close enough...
@@RonJohn63 so for you water is the same thing as CO2?
@@RonJohn63 it's the opposite🤣
@@titanicisshit1647whatever, Poe-boy.
Why is there no news on e-beam lithography?
Is there a path to X-ray lithography? Or is it just not needed because the molecules required to make a transistor already at it's limit?
babe wake up …asianomerty just posted…
I am very curious about the so called NIL technique that was announced by Canon. Will Canon win back the leading position by realizing and commercialising the technique? I just wonder if there's any chance that you would share on this topic
Imprint is cute but it can’t really overcome its throughput problem. Maybe a niche market but never gonna make consumer processors or dram with it.
@@Grak70 I dunno..... Canon seems pretty confident and are putting a lot of faith and resources into solving it's problems. Maybe it won't work out. Maybe it will.
@@Grak70it is possible to make CPU with it just not ideal
@@_Chad_ThunderCock “possible” is not necessarily “manufacturable”. If you work in a fab, you know this. I do.
"In any system of energy, Control is what consumes energy the most.
No energy store holds enough energy to extract an amount of energy equal to the total energy it stores.
No system of energy can deliver sum useful energy in excess of the total energy put into constructing it.
This universal truth applies to all systems.
Energy, like time, flows from past to future".
degenerate nature of thermal energy
Siloxane is the more correct name for Silicone. Look at the chemical formula in your slide to see the specific type of silicone.
If Nikon or Canon had acquired Cymer then they would be well on there way.
EUV = Extreme ultraviolet lithography
Am I understanding correctly that Nikon was going strong and then just... stopped, because Intel chose ASML? This sounds so short-sighted and just right out dumb on their part.
But what happens if another government happened to get it's hands on Japan's EUV research? It would be a huge leg up for them & cut the time estimate significantly, wouldn't it?
WOW - thanks for sharing. Don't ever count out the Japanese.
europe is waking up to the fact that making themselves dependent on asia and the rest of the world for that matter is a really bad idea.
Asianometry - The Mark Felton of tech and geoeconomics !
Mark Felton's a hack. He's far more concerned about clicks than historical accuracy and has a bad habit of using other people's work without attribution.
Nope. Asianometry actually knows what he is talking about. As someone who worked in the heart of the microlithography tool industry for 25+ years, I respect Asianometry's accuracy and thoroughness. He never twists things to hype a story.
You write a nice compliment and get smashed in the replies.
The internet is a world unto itself. 🤣🤣
@@robinmorritt7493 It's difficult to discern whether a comparison of any UA-cam creator to Mark Felton is a compliment or an insult, unless an explanation is also given. As I have a high opinion of Asianometry's content, and a low opinion of MF's content, I consider it a bad comparison.
@@vibrolax I blocked MF to save me putting my fist through my monitor screen, so I know what you mean. 😁 It was an unfortunate choice, but Mastakilla meant well so I was just putting in a word of sympathy, really. 😊
Do you have any suspicions regarding major "disruptive" processes or "architectures" for replacements for integrated circuits as they seemingly are approaching physical miniaturization limits?
Silicon photonics looks likely to take at least part of the market, they're already appearing in optical switches for fibre optic networking gear-
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Canon was landed not by financial crysis, but by its own failure to realize photo cameras are yesterday of digital photography
In 2023 10 billion sounds like nothing , lol players can destroy billions these days. And didn't china invest way more with zero results?
Why?
Aren't we just a small percentage away from the absolute limit of small?
How could there still be enough left to justify this mad effort?
I see with pride and excitement ASMLs machines being transported on weekends toward Schiphol airport by trucks. But natural or not, monopoly is never good. Giving up on r&d by comprtitors of ASML will stall the progress in future.
Have you heard the phrase “beggars can’t be choosers?”
18:50 Gas cloud collapses on itself- “...just like a newborn protostar,” I thought.🌟 “...just like a dying star,” said Aisanometry. 😲 Have I been astrophysicsing too much?
IT is not so much failure as it is a case of micro contamination control of cleanrooms since it is not some 1940s world when machinery could take abuse.
It's amazing that the manufacturers are approaching nm dimensions.
lol that biolante poster is my phone wallpaper
Can you explain why ASML had US research handed to them whereas Japanese effort were treated like outside partners?
Probably because Japan already has sort of a monopoly on the photolithography section of semiconductor manufacturing. My company, Tokyo Electron, manufactures a vast majority of the "support" tools for the scanners. Our Lithius Pro Z tools handle resist, coater, and developer dispensing on the wafers. Our tools basically handle everything other than the scanning, and our Lithius tools are connected directly to ASML's scanners.
What is EUV? Not all of us are chip fabrication experts
20:19 that poster tho
Key issue: 2:39. That basically ends discussion on this topic.
Who Else is coming to SPIE in San Jose in a month? I've be giving a talk and poster. -Jacob Sitterly SUNY
Zeiss technology in ASML is main component, Japanese smartphones manufacturers uses Zeiss lenses. No technological component was present in Japanese's EUV failure just short deadline, but maybe some isolation from technology was the cause of failure.
Japanese manufacturers tend to vertically integrate all processes within their own companies. I've heard that unlike Japanese photolithography equipment manufacturers, ASML is Philips-led and has excellent software collaboration with internal component manufacturers.
I'm not familiar with a .01 of this. It took me half the video to figure out that this was about semiconductor production. I have some terms to look up.
Since Intel founded EUV LLC, why buying ASML litho at last?
Kudos for using the proper plural of "consortium": "consortia"
I like the last statement
A source said the Nikon recently installed one EUV litho system in TSMC's factory(Hsin-chu?) for trial run.
Do you have a link ?
@@simanhtranao7859 correct the message, it's from Canon, not Nikon.....which I was just told few days ago. sorry no link.
@@vincentlin9350 Are you confusing the EUV machine with the Nanoimprint machine? I know that Canon is building Nanoimprint machine which can be a competitor with EUV and its is in trial run state
I wonder why x-ray and the other technologies were not used
I think this video is extremely generous on the Japanese failure.
They were consistently behind US and got tech insight yet they never managed to successfully make a production ready machine.
Mice, how did pixart take over Avago and get all the mice sensors, Agilent and HP. looks like a few patents were involved. would love to know more. mouse sensor with mythic.
Maybe before I watch this I should find out what EUV is !
I love that Japan took alternative approach.
Japan's deep engrained culture is good at perfecting but terrible at innovating. I lived it working with big name corporation. Their engineers are great, but decision making is top-down, bureaucratic & def risk-averse. Out of touch old men at the helm.
1 failure to another failure, that why today i heard that germany took third place over japan in yearly GDP. As Japan lags behind in the field of electric vehicles, the situation will only get worse.
What this relentless, costly human efforts to pursue a "so called superior" technology, which directly exposes the fact that one requires a set of complicated machinery just to carry out only a certain function, and thus man's low level of technological knowledge which existed only from one nano level to merely another nano level, would do any good to the Earth?
很喜欢这个节目，只是我的英语能力有限，不能很好的理解其中的内容
I just love content and everything about asionometry, mesmerizing since I am science and technology maniac!!kudos
Leaky EUV meets Landauer Princle, Edissp heat = kTln2.
Solid Godzilla movie taste
They we're there first, but failed to recognize the win and failed the larger race (basically)
The resist is futile
I see what you did there! Lol 😊
You could go far.