Blows my mind no major company sells a head like this. I've made a few of these in the past and am always surprised no one hasnt slapped their logo and sold these yet.
@malonedrum for real, they already have the infrastructure to make/sell them! Prob really cheap to make and I think there's a big enough niche of people who prefer the empty reso
I do this, too. At the time it was my solution to rattling swivel nuts on a 1981 Tama Superstar kick that sounded so much better without a reso head, but I ended up loving the look and ease of access for mics, so it became the norm.
I always make centered cut 12" dia. hole, dead center. Similar to the old, 80's / 90's, Yamaha catalog pics. A Gad thing I suppose? But it provides the control and tone of both worlds. Thanks Mike. I have the same player kit as you, I love it. Glad I found one.
Thanks, Mike, for the awesome info. Drum sounds come and go. It appears sounds are more fashionable. Some 50 years ago this was a pretty standard sound and look. Playing as a weekend warrior this was my go-to bass drum sound. Sometimes I would use a pillow sometimes a piece of foam. I always achieved a direct punchy sound. Mics were sometimes utilized sometimes not. For much of all dance music this worked very well. Depending on the genre. As always, its experimentation to achieve your sound.
When I was learning the drums in the early 80s, this was still "the" sound. Unfortunately, I dinged up the bearing edges of my toms & bass drum carrying them around without reso heads. Naturally, I didn't have cases for them at the time. Live and learn. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
How have I never thought of cutting everything but the muffling ring? That's a good idea. I just used one of those bass hole cutters on the highest setting for mine.
The Remo power stroke actually uses this type of head as a sub layer for dampening. I just removed the top layer of one of my powerstroke 3's and now I have a reso head with a perfectly cut hole. I prefer this method since I am impatient when cutting things. Clear Remo heads come with a clear ring when the coated heads come with white ring.
I don't think it sounds dry at all, a lot more body of the drum shell is showing through in all the mixes. In my opinion it sounds spectacular, going to try this the next time we hit the studio :)
Remember when Evans used to make the EQ screen (edit: Retro Screen) head or something like that? Basically a mesh reso that did the same thing and looked great.
Yeah, I do. Basically a precursor to the mesh/silent heads. If you want to the look of a front head, but the sound of a single headed drum that's great, but you're very limited again with where you can move the microphone around.
I did the same thing a few weeks ago trying to mimic the Jeff Porcaro head and have been loving it. I even filmed a video last week (still have to edit) of this, reso w/ port, 12" hole in the center (80s Gadd), full reso and no reso, so its funny you did the same thing :). I just took an old single ply 22" cut 16" hole leaving 3" around the edge so I thought it was interesting the way you used one like this. Nice pocket, btw!
I guess this is stop gap content by the shortness of the video and the overall pace of it :D But! I dont think it is bad content! I am not the only one who enjoys these little hacks around a kit with a little real life lore to fluff it out :) Well done, nice video! I'd like to see more of it!
I wouldn't say stop gap, but I'm always trying to mix up the pace/legnth and style of content to not get too repetitive, and this opportunity came up where I needed to make this head, so figured it was a good opportunity to also document and share, and by no means does this video need to be much longer than it is. Was certainly a lot easier to shoot and edit, so maybe a few more on this end of things will help the weekly schedule!
My buddy has his Vista Lite set up like this and it's one if the loudest kick drums I've heard in years, he plays pop punk and usually plays at place's where they only have vocal mics, he can be heard loud and clear with absolutely no problem. I also play pop punk music and I try to go for a larger hole but not this big 😅😅😅, I had to fix the hole om my Gretsch because it tore so it's like a 10in,hole now
This would probably not work for pop/punk - but have you tried playing with highly tuned front- head without a hole. In my experience you can’t get any louder than that 😅
was surprised that it almost sounded more woody than dead with the new "head". Mic looks to be more centered and further in tho? or maybe that's just an illusion. But the flexibility for mic placement feels like a big plus, if your out to get that 70's, bit more papery sound :)
For me the biggest win was flexibility with miking, but I felt like there was a bit more low end and slightly drier (mostly due to my muffling on the before sample)
I would recommend dampening inside of the floor-tom (which dampens the reso-head) instead of on top of it on the batter head. A common trick is to put cottonhead balls inside, I also recommend putting dampening-rings inside the drum instead of on it. Personally I use dampening-rings and foam-disks inside. Very Benny Greb ✌🏻😎
A thick batter head, finger tight low tuning, maybe some internal dampening should do the trick. Also big fat snare heads can help make a drum sound deeper
I think a more fair comparison would be positioning the mic in the same location. Looks like for the full head your mic was a lot further outside of the kick and offset to the side vs with the muffle ring you were more in and lower center
A lot of drummers will use a packing blanket over the kick in the studio to help with bleed in those cases. I think the shell helps if the mic is inside, but it is prone to some bleed.
It does not have to be the dampening ring I have been doing this to snares for over a decade with an old head cut off the rim and of course it being cut down to about an inch or so ring I call it the under ring Cheap Snares that go krang with after tones ,,,,, then go Woooomph
It's 2024. You gotta get a E drum kit w mesh heads. The abbey road kick drum sample/s take less than a minute depending on your module and laptops software etc.
Being authentic can be tricky sometimes learning all the intricacies of a particuler drummer. But honestly I doubt if anyone in the audience is going to notice or care for that matter. In a studio setting I can see this extra effort but not in a live setting unless your recording live.
We used to do this with all of our reso heads for bass drum and toms back in the 70's. What goes around, comes around.
Ain’t out of style no more
Blows my mind no major company sells a head like this. I've made a few of these in the past and am always surprised no one hasnt slapped their logo and sold these yet.
Yeah, I agree. Companies are always looking to find a way to create a new demand, and this one seems more reserved for the DIY world thus far.
@malonedrum for real, they already have the infrastructure to make/sell them! Prob really cheap to make and I think there's a big enough niche of people who prefer the empty reso
I do this, too. At the time it was my solution to rattling swivel nuts on a 1981 Tama Superstar kick that sounded so much better without a reso head, but I ended up loving the look and ease of access for mics, so it became the norm.
The look has grown on me, used to hate it, now I sort of love it
I always make centered cut 12" dia. hole, dead center. Similar to the old, 80's / 90's, Yamaha catalog pics. A Gad thing I suppose? But it provides the control and tone of both worlds. Thanks Mike. I have the same player kit as you, I love it. Glad I found one.
I wouldn't mind trying that out.
Great video!!
Hey brutha! Love your stuff, thanks for the kind words!
great video. thanks so much. a tip of the hat to your always excellent "feel". bravo!
My pleasure!
Thanks, Mike, for the awesome info. Drum sounds come and go. It appears sounds are more fashionable. Some 50 years ago this was a pretty standard sound and look. Playing as a weekend warrior this was my go-to bass drum sound. Sometimes I would use a pillow sometimes a piece of foam. I always achieved a direct punchy sound. Mics were sometimes utilized sometimes not. For much of all dance music this worked very well. Depending on the genre. As always, its experimentation to achieve your sound.
🤘🏼
When I was learning the drums in the early 80s, this was still "the" sound. Unfortunately, I dinged up the bearing edges of my toms & bass drum carrying them around without reso heads. Naturally, I didn't have cases for them at the time. Live and learn. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Same technique works really well for converting double-headed toms into concert toms. I’ve used pinstripes to get the right size/neatness of hole.
I’ve thought about doing that as well
Brilliant hack. I’m in the studio soon and will definitely be using this. Thank you from the UK. ❤️
Wonderful!
I've been doing that for 20 years playing out live, it works very well.
Very nice!
Awesome idea. You always come up with winners !!!!! Cheers from Philly !!!🥁
Thanks
How have I never thought of cutting everything but the muffling ring? That's a good idea. I just used one of those bass hole cutters on the highest setting for mine.
Nice, I wouldn't mind a large center cut like 10-12", those have a nice sound on mics too.
Great tip for fast muffling. What mixer would you recommend for listening/practicing?
The Remo power stroke actually uses this type of head as a sub layer for dampening. I just removed the top layer of one of my powerstroke 3's and now I have a reso head with a perfectly cut hole. I prefer this method since I am impatient when cutting things. Clear Remo heads come with a clear ring when the coated heads come with white ring.
Cool
Really smart idea.That bass drum sounds great.
Thanks
Cool use for an old head. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching
Great tip man, thanks for sharing.
You bet
I've got an old p4 in the loft that might be making an appearance now! I'm thinking this will work great on my 18 inch depth kick drum.
Go for it!
I don't think it sounds dry at all, a lot more body of the drum shell is showing through in all the mixes. In my opinion it sounds spectacular, going to try this the next time we hit the studio :)
More low end I noticed.
Remember when Evans used to make the EQ screen (edit: Retro Screen) head or something like that? Basically a mesh reso that did the same thing and looked great.
Yeah, I do. Basically a precursor to the mesh/silent heads. If you want to the look of a front head, but the sound of a single headed drum that's great, but you're very limited again with where you can move the microphone around.
I did the same thing a few weeks ago trying to mimic the Jeff Porcaro head and have been loving it. I even filmed a video last week (still have to edit) of this, reso w/ port, 12" hole in the center (80s Gadd), full reso and no reso, so its funny you did the same thing :). I just took an old single ply 22" cut 16" hole leaving 3" around the edge so I thought it was interesting the way you used one like this. Nice pocket, btw!
Very nice!
I guess this is stop gap content by the shortness of the video and the overall pace of it :D But! I dont think it is bad content! I am not the only one who enjoys these little hacks around a kit with a little real life lore to fluff it out :) Well done, nice video! I'd like to see more of it!
I wouldn't say stop gap, but I'm always trying to mix up the pace/legnth and style of content to not get too repetitive, and this opportunity came up where I needed to make this head, so figured it was a good opportunity to also document and share, and by no means does this video need to be much longer than it is.
Was certainly a lot easier to shoot and edit, so maybe a few more on this end of things will help the weekly schedule!
My buddy has his Vista Lite set up like this and it's one if the loudest kick drums I've heard in years, he plays pop punk and usually plays at place's where they only have vocal mics, he can be heard loud and clear with absolutely no problem. I also play pop punk music and I try to go for a larger hole but not this big 😅😅😅, I had to fix the hole om my Gretsch because it tore so it's like a 10in,hole now
Way to salvage the head!
This would probably not work for pop/punk - but have you tried playing with highly tuned front- head without a hole. In my experience you can’t get any louder than that 😅
was surprised that it almost sounded more woody than dead with the new "head". Mic looks to be more centered and further in tho? or maybe that's just an illusion. But the flexibility for mic placement feels like a big plus, if your out to get that 70's, bit more papery sound :)
For me the biggest win was flexibility with miking, but I felt like there was a bit more low end and slightly drier (mostly due to my muffling on the before sample)
Cool I did a similar hack but I used and old CS Black Dot and cut that out. Good video
Awesome
Nice - could you do a video on how to make a floor tom sound as close to a kick drum as possible? whatever it takes :) asking for a friend ..
Put an Emad on it, and add dampening.
I would recommend dampening inside of the floor-tom (which dampens the reso-head) instead of on top of it on the batter head. A common trick is to put cottonhead balls inside, I also recommend putting dampening-rings inside the drum instead of on it. Personally I use dampening-rings and foam-disks inside. Very Benny Greb ✌🏻😎
A thick batter head, finger tight low tuning, maybe some internal dampening should do the trick. Also big fat snare heads can help make a drum sound deeper
I think a more fair comparison would be positioning the mic in the same location. Looks like for the full head your mic was a lot further outside of the kick and offset to the side vs with the muffle ring you were more in and lower center
Would have been nice to have that option, but a bit restricted.
great hack!
Thanks
Nice hack! 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
Thanks
Drummers would have that big reso hole on their kicks during the 70s and 80s. 😊
Yup, very much tied to that era of concert toms and vistalites.
I wonder how much bleed you will get in that bdrum mic. Open vs port
A lot of drummers will use a packing blanket over the kick in the studio to help with bleed in those cases. I think the shell helps if the mic is inside, but it is prone to some bleed.
It does not have to be the dampening ring
I have been doing this to snares for over a decade with an old head cut off the rim and of course it being cut down to about an inch or so ring
I call it the under ring
Cheap Snares that go krang with after tones ,,,,, then go Woooomph
I’ve seen others try that, but have not myself. Maybe in the future.
You ok.
🤷♂️
It's 2024. You gotta get a E drum kit w mesh heads. The abbey road kick drum sample/s take less than a minute depending on your module and laptops software etc.
Ooofff, definitely not doing that. 🤔
and every snare roll STILL sounds like a machine gun going off
Being authentic can be tricky sometimes learning all the intricacies of a particuler drummer.
But honestly I doubt if anyone in the audience is going to notice or care for that matter.
In a studio setting I can see this extra effort but not in a live setting unless your recording live.
Just being an overachiever.
@@malonedrum I wasn't trying to bust your "Chops"🤪