Toyota Rav4 Is D.O.A. But Still Runs?
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2022
- Come along as I have a look at a customers 2004 Toyota Rav4 that starts and runs but nothing works. No windows, radio, turn signals, heater, I mean nothing... Weird right?
-Enjoy!
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Can we just take a moment to appreciate this man going to the junkyard in the rain to help his customer out?
Yep... it was an "el cheapo" repair! :)))
He's enjoying every trip to good ol *WILBERT'S!*
Eric's like a kid in a candy store at Wilberts
@@johnnyblue4799 El cheapo with an OEM part. That's a Win win in my opinion 👍
@@garygarafano8341 I was going to write that! Well played!
The ONLY electrical component that never fails is the fasten seat belt chime. When the entire car is crushed into a two foot square ball, it is still emitting that horrid chime.
Whoever came up with that as a standard on vehicles has a special place in hell waiting.
An attorney, no doubt.
So glad we don't have this crap in the UK, I don't know if it's on newer cars though..
@@warbuzzard7167 🤣🤣🤣 that's great!
@@cheeseburgerbeefcake On my 2012 (European) Volvo, the seat belt warning only chimes if you have it unbuckled and you're moving (followed by an obnoxious beep if you ignore it). Never really saw the point in that annoying chime when you're standing still with the engine off.
Aftermarket alternator + blown main fuse... sounds like a classic "I don't need to disconnect the battery for this, now hold my beer" job
24 years with Toyota and 99% of these cases is the customer jumped them backwards! I’ve been a master tech for Toyota over 2 decades and I still learn a few things from your skill! Great humble work my friend!
What does jumping it backwards entail? Only time I jumped a car off of anything other than the battery (car not tractor) was a stupid BMW (apparently they put the key lock back on and it was only for a few years) where the battery was in the boot and it wouldn't open and had no key lock. It did however have engine bay battery posts fitted by BMW.
@@usefulcontent9894 Jumping it backwards means putting the jumper cables on the wrong posts(so positive on one car to the negative on the other), either on the car you want to jump or on the other one, effectively shorting out the electrical system on both cars.
@@Enakaji Thanks. Here in England I don't think we have a term for it. You would just say "they put the jump leads on the wrong way round". I asked because several people said the same thing.
@@Enakaji Also, in UK someone would be naive to say "reverse the polarity". The Dr Who jokes, comments, references etc etc would likely be too much for the ordinary person to withstand 😀
That, or if I recall correctly, the Toyota "main fuse" can be blown by attempting to install a battery backwards with the positive cable on the negative terminal and vice-versa. It's an expensive screwup, but Toyota limits the damage to the fuse rather than the rest of the electrical system. Some Toyotas use the "R suffix" battery configuration which reverses standard terminal polarities. They do this to locate the battery on the most convenient side of the engine compartment with the shortest cables. If the previous owner did not buy the right battery for the RAV4, then he may not have known that correct polarity is very important.
Always love a spark-chasin' video from SMA - I always learn *something* - but it's because you explain your thought process while looking at the wiring diagram that makes it so helpful. I've learned a lot! Thank you for that.
Eric's the kind of guy that gives mechanics a good name.
Man, I wish I knew a mechanic in my area that was as methodical and reasonable as you, sir. Good job!
theyre around but hard to find sometimes . Ususally have loads of work , so they dont need to advertize. When you find one take good care of them , theyll usually take good care of you
@@ccole9080 You and NCDiggums are both right.
I've got a couple 10mm wrenches and sockets that might answer the question...
"Do the job you were hired to do" is so true when it comes to an automotive repair business. For me this applies even in the DIY category where I have agreed to do repairs for friends and colleagues but along the way have found other problems. For friends / colleagues the job is similar to a shop job, I'm doing the work agreed at "mates rates" and if I see something else, I'm passing on the bad news! 😂
For family, I will do just that little bit more, if it is in my capability (which a great deal of things are) so labour might be free but the parts won't be! I'll fix as much as I can or want to outside the original job, just outta love! 😏🙄
This applies to being a computer tech. Communicate the need, move forward if the customer approves, but stick to the plan/quote/request.
Family is the worst they expect everything for free
I agree but have a slightly different policy with my girlfriend’s car, because if I don’t fix it, she sure as hell won’t, and in six months I’ll be fixing it anyway. So, in this particular case, IF it was her car, I would have grabbed the battery hold-down from the junkyard or at a minimum put a bungee cord over it :)
I fix all my family vehicles. Can be a pain, especially when they just put gas/diesel and ignore all the other shit. Used to head things off at the pass, but no more.
I charge my family.. even my parents, not customer rates, because in my 58 years it became obvious that if you don’t value your time and efforts, they won’t either.
I have a GREAT relationship with all my family, and respect too..!!
Nice job as always Eric, your philosophy on how to approach repairs is spot on.
Legitimately my favorite channel on UA-cam. Eric goes above and beyond every single time. If you were closer I'd totally stop working on my crap and pay you to work on my crap 😂
Every now and again I swing by and get my fill binge watching SMA and every time I find myself 1) blown away by the diagnosis persistence and cheerfulness during and 2) the dynamic Mr & Mrs.O have is goals
I've had a couple good mechanics who have standing orders to "fix whatever needs fixed and give me the bill". Hard to get a relationship of mutual trust like that.
I have customers like that but they are few and far between. They know and trust me not to play games. Those are the customers that often turn out to be friends.
@@andynicoll8566 there is a place in Lubbock I trust that much. Sadly, their contracts forbid them doing things that involve "opening up" the engine, so ... no rings, no valves, no valve guides, no full set of gaskets. They have a contract with a xmission shop that's very good, too, tho, so if it breaks enough ... (fixin' to try to get a crank sensor on my '94 V10 iron block).
@@OtherSarah2? Location
@@Txcowboy80 Texas
@@OtherSarah2 I’m from Lubbock too. Asking about the specific business. 😂
Reversed cables on a jump, installed battery backwards or didn’t disconnect battery when installing alternator
The spark out component could have been on the vehicle providing the power during the jump. No evidence left on the dead car.
Running a shop and DIY work are so very different. I agree with you. Let the customer know what you found and they can determine the next steps. You and your family have a great day and thanks for the videos.
Yep, good for Eric to explain the ‘workshop’ way and the ‘soy’ way..
The bad thing about ‘diy’(in my experience the ‘Wormhole Effect’ where a simple repair ends up being an almost full blown restorations..
Please don’t ask me how I know…
‘Diy’ way… not ‘soy’…🙄
@@malcolmyoung7866 Ohhhhhh yes, safe to say we've all been in the DIY repair black hole before. It's always "While I've got this all out" or "While I've got this taken all apart" or "If this one failed, the other(s) are gonna kick the bucket real soon too so I might as well do them too." Pretty soon you've got a restoration going on and bought a special tool that you'll use one time and then never again. 🤣 I have had this discussion with the customer before when it made sense. "We're doing the clutch, and this is a big subframe drop job. Lots of labor. Are you going to keep this car for another 5-10 years and drive the wheels off of it? Yes? Ok, then we should honestly do the rear main seal, input shaft seal, and both of the clutch hydraulic cylinders at this time too. At least do the slave cylinder since you could do the master later when it fails, but the slave is inside the bell housing. The parts for both seals are cheap and labor is tiny. The slave is pretty cheap too. It will really suck if we do this clutch and then the seals or slave start leaking badly and it's alllllllll gotta come back down and go back up again. You'll have to pay the same 5 hours of labor at $110 an hour. Can we just spend the extra $60 and take care of that all now? If you were dumping the car in a year I wouldn't suggest this, but you're at 150k and those seals and slave are not going to last much longer." Once I describe common sense math and part lifetimes, the customer agrees to it if they are able to dip into their savings. I definitely do understand the struggle of the paycheck-to-paycheck single mom of 3 who works retail at minimum wage and just needs a reliable shitbox that will allow her to get to work to prevent eviction. :( There's a big people element in this job, you know?
I love salvage yards, I was so excited to see a super talented mechanic and shop owner pointing this out, you said " there's a lot of good parts out here" .Takes me back when I could not even consider a new part, I just didn't have the money...put on a 15 dollar salvage yard starter and it felt like it was a brand new one. Your ingenious vicegrip test light so cleaver, im gonna turn my test light into one lile you have.
You help thousands of folks with your kindness and willingness to share what you know.
Great Job!
Tim
Mooresville Indiana
I took his idea and made a vice grip testlight for myself. Was helping a coworker out a while back and he commented on how simple but genius it was.
they have always been my first thought / port of call ... for like 40 years
I remember years ago when you could actually go to the auto parts store and buy a rebuild kit for Star motors and alternators but nowadays doing sell your whole reconditioned unit to go into boneyard was probably the best option have a good day
+10 for the temporary Russian influenced repair! Ivan will be proud!
I love your diagnostic videos. I actually specialize in Auto Electric and I love watching how other people diagnose so that I can try new things. But another way for that fuse to blow is if when replacing the alternator, the battery isn't disconnect, the main alternator cable gets grounded somewhere and will blow a main fuse. I've had a couple of my techs do this. So that's probably what happened
I'm no auto tech but I've replaced a few alternators (and generators!) over the years and that's what I was thinking too. It's really easy to imagine a DIYer getting an alternator from a parts store and swapping it out without thinking to disconnect the battery.
To be honest that was my suspicion too as far as that micro switch that was on the floorboard in the car I really wonder what they're using that for have a great day
@@JeffDeWitt I did my alternator last month and I'll tell you dirty trick get the smallest bag you can find pull the cable off of the alternator and slide it over make sure it does not come off light it over to cable and it goes to the alternator then you can move the alternator without grounding the battery and just be very careful when you put the positive feedback on to the alternator that you don't ground it out and it will work have a great day oh by the way I spent almost as much time trying to find my 12 mm socket that I dropped cuz I hate losing tools I like complete sets and if one isn't socket is missing drives me crazy drove around for 2 days open the hood got a magnet and a flashlight lo and behold it was my socket sitting right there have a great
@@michaelpressman7203 Lucky it wasn't a 10mm socket or you never would have found it!
As to replacing an alternator I'm not messing with a bag, it's easy enough to disconnect the battery.
Great job Eric. Another cause could be that before the battery was replaced, they tried to jump start it, and hooked the cables backwards.
This. A Lexus has a similar main fuse and they blow the same way when jump start cables are connected backwards. And Lexus is Toyota in many ways.
Agreed. I have seen this more than once on a Toyota product. My students routinely jump start backwards. 😂
This is a great channel. Thanks for the details and the clarification of your duties.
Probably shorted the alternator side of things when installing the new alternator because they didn't unhook the battery first. At least you were able to find and fix the problem.
or they jumped it backwards, seen that many times
Wouldn't be surprised, or shorted the battery terminal with a wrench while changing the battery, either way its gonna blow some fuses, make pretty sparks, and if you are lucky doesn't fry all the computers in the process LOL.
When he first stared with all the stuff that was dead I was like well someone blew a pretty important fuse, fuse link, or something somewhere by doing something stupid...guess I was somewhat right LOL.
I even looked on Rock Auto for that fuse, nope, they don't have those, so I'm guessing its a hope you can find one in a junk yard type deal.
@@wildbill23c they are available aftermarket and new from the dealers, like $30-40. Toyota PN 82620-42040 but... They appear to be special order items, and when you have a salvage yard nearby with the part you need today.... It gets the job done sooner.
I blew the 150A main fuse on my 04 Pontiac Vibe, along with a handfull of other fuses, after I accidentally jumped it backwards. Glad that it was just fuses that went...
Keep up the great work Eric another great video 📸
always enjoy your channel very informative.
Great video Eric. I learn from you all of the time.
What a great way to start this Thursday, with Eric O and South Main Auto!
You do great work Eric 👏
Thanks for the great repair video Eric. Top job and cheers from your Australian followers.
The main problem with thosewho are commenting with regards what you dont fix is that they fail to grasp the concept of when running a business you only do as you are asked to do, as you pointed out, but that type of people are so intellectually challenged that they don't know they are intellectually challenged, and dont know what they are saying is wrong, so we should feel sorry for them, a very good video on how a logical and methodical diagnostic process should take place.
Eric , I love your videos , you are straight forward and honest . I have learned a lot from you and R. Ray both . I don't do mechanic work like I used to , so it's nice to see what it takes to repair newer vehicles . Thanks and keep up the good work !
Great repair Sir, clear explanation. Good video and move on to the next project. Take care thanks 😊
You and your videos never let me down, they are all excellent. I love the fact you talk us thru all the problems you find..
Your vids are very helpful. Thanks for being you!
Great problem solver...You make it look so easy. So many shops wouldn't touch a job like this. Greetings from that Old Jarhead in WNC
The electrical diagnosis videos are real gems, enjoyed this one.
Eric O, you are 100% correct in repairing what you are hired to fix. Fix the customers' complaint and inform them of other issues and move on with your day. Nearly every vehicle has several issues that need repairing, and you would be on the phone all day getting nothing done.
Cheers!
Like always a great video! This is the first time I saw that type of fuse configuration! Learning something new! Thanks….Jim
Good stuff!!! I learned something here today. I own Toyotas and have wondered exactly what that big monstrosity hanging off the + terminal was. NOW I know! Thanks for another fantastic vid Eric O!!
Fantastic video Eric you attack that situation the same way I would I've seen a lot of people get overwhelmed when they get a vehicle in their Bay and there's so many things that do not work spot on just pick one thing that doesn't work and 99.9% of the time you'll fix everything else great video as always keep them coming love the electrical diags and your thought process.
Great video! Love the Wilberts road trips!!
Excellent work, as usual!!!
It's amazing how clean and organized that junk yard is!
Absolutely great video. And your statement of fix what you were hired to do, is so very true. They may be on their last dollar, who knows. But at least you fixed it so they have transmission VS some other shop demanding they replace and repair all.
Appreciate the step by step process again solving the problem. Getting those maps of my car are key if I am to do this for myself. Thank you for the logical approach.
You won so many hearts and subscribers with that one trip to the junkyard ! Never have seen that before ! Great troubleshooting flow ! Just excellent !
at a dealer a service advisor would recommend many services probably also replacing nitrogen in all tires including spare.
It's not just dealers that do that. A local 'trusted' independent shop quoted a friend of mine $4000 to fix a junky old car that was only worth $1k. I fixed the issues for $200. Disgusting thieves.
Great diagnosis and repair as always Eric! I agree with you and all of the others in the comments. Customer is most likely aware of all of the no-no's under the hood. If you stopped to try and fix every little thing and upsell constantly, it would be tough to get through one car like this one a day!
Excellent diagnosis and perfect job
love ya work mr o. cheers from north Queensland Australia
This man makes quality informative educational insightful videos just for us. He doesn’t have to mess around with ten different diag methods just to know what he already knows. He is teaching us so much
Great investigation, Eric. I know on my Frontier, Nissan calls the item you pulled out with the blown "fuse" a fusible link block and it's something like $25 to replace new which I've had to do. It's obviously the last line of defense for a hard short close to the battery like you were saying. Thank you for the entertaining videos - keep 'em coming!
Hey Eric! Thank you for another great video! In a previous video you and Ivan were dealing with a missfire. You used a Suburu plug wire. Do you remember off which model year Subaru? Thank you Eric!👍🙂
Thanks Eric! Great channel and video. Let us know if you ever come to Long Island
I like the DIY fuse! tolerance of +/- %1000 lol.... Short term use only...:) ( as soon as you found it I was thinking solder to test) As always Love the Diagnostic videos! Thanks
Another nice job Mr. O. Very practical and educational diagnostic approach. Judging by the sound of the engine compartment that beast sounds very much like the toilet after a burrito and bean dinner.
It has an exhaust leak I think probably a donut
Brilliant diagnosis. Master mechanic. Bravo.
Above and beyond the call of duty👍 nice quality work like always ⭐️
Eric, nothing like telling it straight and keeping it real.
I know what you mean about salvage yards, I could spend hours and hours just scoping things out in a yard imagining what I could put back together. Keep up the fantastic work!
Great job and great point about doing the job you were hired to do. Nice work!
THANKS SO MUCH, I ENJOY WATCHING AND LEARNING FROM YOU. GOD BLESS !
Eric that car is in good hands with you especially with that vintage Gulf Oil hat on! People can still break a virtually indestructible vehicle. Amazing. Got to love opening the door and finding cut pieces of wiring etc. Scary! 🦇🦇🦇
So true I'm a car nut myself and have bought cars where people have just messed with them unnecessarily adding stupid aftermarket accessories I have had to remove a lot of those Toyota's and Honda's will last forever if people would just leave them alone stop cutting the suspension putting those stupid lights underneath they're fine the way they are they last forever from the factory lol Just maintain them and drive them
I wonder what that micro switch was for have a good day
Someone probably hooked jumper cables backwards when the old battery went dead.
That was my thought as well. I follow Rav4World and these big fuses blow when folks mix up the cable attachments.
@@wendyhunter5913 It's a very common mistake and an easy diagnosis. The really hard part is finding someone who will admit that's what happened.
Once again very well done Mr. O!!
You are a awesome mechanic best repair videos on UA-cam.
Love the videos and I'm always learning something new. I swear 90% of the problems are always electrical wiring or electrical component failing.
Nowadays with engineering they've been built in so much electronics components that the more links ina chain the more one's going to fail so I like simple the older the cars are the more I like the electrics were simple and really bottom line is to get you from point a to point b all the bells and whistles a lot of fun when they go wrong they'll make you crazy
Very good job and quick find and fix the problem. I take your point on the other issues you identified. That is why I like to carry out most of the basic maintenance on my car myself. I would never let my car get into the condition that car was in. I don't believe that mechanics should have to work on a dirty oil covered engine and other parts. If you keep your engine clean you can soon identify a problem and attend to it promptly or have it fixed professionally. I have a 2007 BMW X3 3.0d diesel. I won't touch the engine (mostly) as it is far too complex for me but other minor issues are no problem. If people took more care of their cars they would last much longer and cost less to fix in the long term.
I like that old Gulf cap!. By the way you make great videos!
First of all I love your videos u r knowledgeable and informative etc., and it's obvious u care about the viewers. I was wondering g where you're located because I was loving that junkyard.
love the salvage yard trips.
The 'new' fuse you got had a cover for the alternator lead. I think you were right first time Eric. Battery moved and shorted against the bodywork. 🤨
Always like your videos Eric, educational and yup, entertaining with Mrs O too.
Excellent conversation at the end about the job, the money and what the customer wants. I get that. Great point. Folks gotta eat.
With no battle scars, I vote for the knucklehead changing the alternator without disconnecting the battery. Somebody's got a notched wrench somewhere and they're not telling.
When I was an apprentice electrician I ended up with a set of catalog pliers cuz my boys said go cut these wires and it cut the black wire and the white wire at the same time blow two perfect holes in the pliers cutting jaws 50 years later I still have the pliers have a great day
Eric, I run a mobile repair, and specialize in just that sort of repair. Over heating, because daughter never looks at coolant, etc. Your right, just fix what they want. Bye the way, I have found that exact problem on vehicles that boyfriend tried to jump-start a dead battery and crossed the poles. LOL
Yup. Just had a 10 Chevrolet 1500 towed in with a no power/no start. New, fully charged battery and the tell tale ark mark on the positive post. Power at battery but no power after the main fuse. Friggen AAA strikes again. Sold them a battery after blowing their fuse trying to jump it and then towed it to us.
Every time I watch your videos, you make me smile 😊
I think you're amazing. Love your videos! I learn so much from them. Thank you.
I love when the big dog fuses are right off of the positive battery terminal. Splitting open a junction block to replace a main fuse can be a nightmare.
Or having to cut out a bad factory fusible link, then you have to splice into a high amp wire, and worry about the green crusties invading it later if doesn't stay dry.
I don't know the only time I seen a main fuse fail is when it's on the battery terminal. 🤷♂️
My two cents, they tried jump start it backwards. The way I remember that is why they have the big fuze because without it, it will fry a computer.
I have done something similar. The parts store didn't have the right battery in stock, and I had a moment of dumbness where I put the battery in backwards. It had a rather large spark when I went to connect the battery positive and I thought "that was weird", and then realized what I had done. I got away with only blowing the aftermarket stereo and a main fuse like in the video. A year later when I replaced the stereo I realized that the stereo also had a fuse on the back which had blown, but by that point I replaced it anyways.
The old reverse polarity trick, jumper leads reversed or battery., seen it happen and usually destroys other components.
@@willemvantsant5105 Lucky it is an old car.
Lucky still it did not fry the PCM.
@@willemvantsant5105 Absolutely right - other things generally die, but not in this case. However, Toyota may have a trick or two up their sleeve that people much smarter than me may have placed in the system to prevent much greater damage to many components. Retired mechanic in Land Down Under.
My Daughter inlaw going back some years went to pick up her new car from dealership, somehow they reverse connected the battery and destroyed the ECU, had to wait another week for the car.
Thanks for the video. Liked the road-trip to the junkyard.
Another great video Mr. O
Crazy! I just fixed the same exact issue on an 03 Rav4 last week. I picked it up from the auction and nothing was working just like this one. Luckily I figured it out pretty quick. Great video!
You'd be amazed at how many cary get jump started backwards at auction houses
@@skoolsuksok I could definitely believe it. That is what I assume happened, I replaced the alternator just in case though.
I found evidence in the vehicle that an employee at the dealer that sold it purchased it and returned it very quickly. I think he was probably the one that jumped it backwards
I can't believe that you made it out of Wilbert's with only one item. LOL
Totally agree with you, a job is a job. Great fix and video Eric 😊👍
another pre-owned gem hits the road......good job
Love the quote, "we're gonna put the clip in this and a couple of zip-ties and we're gonna flush this toilet", I cried laughing 🤣😂, Eric O you are a Madd Monster when it comes to diagnosing electronics 💪🏾👍🏾
Love your thought process. Those wiring diagrams remind me of photo machines and copiers I used to work on. Thanks for the way you roll, you totally rock!
True professional mechanic with quality workmanship always tuning into a SMA video Great work Mr O
New Subscriber here! Saw your link on the J-TIZZO video! Looks like you will see a lot of me, cause I love this video!
100% fix what you are hired to fix. Advise recommend and it's owners call.
I'm always in awe of how logically you follow a problem back to the source. Another great - and educational - video.
Great work again Mr O. Did what you were asked to do. Kudos. Wish we had a Pick and Pull like that around here...!!
Eric O I appreciate you for the exceptional diagnostic mechanic you are. You're like a bulldog latched on to a bone seeking solutions to problems. Keep up the great work. I watch your videos daily gaining knowledge daily.
Keep up the good work man. I started work on my own vehicles as a hobby, then it turned into a necessity, now I do it because I don't trust anyone to do good work. It's easy to find a bad mechanic, It's not so easy to find a trustworthy one.
Same story as me. When my friends or family go to the mechanic before talking to me, I can't believe what diagnosis the mechanics come up with and almost every time the estimate is four figures. By the time I find the cause and fix it, the fix never costs over a few hundred. They just throw random stuff on there to pay off their boat.
@@mediocreman2 Not always...I'm a mechanic, and I don't own a boat. In fact, I drive a boring but dead reliable 2006 Taurus (Vulcan engine, not those godawful duratecs). I have a professional work ethic. Before I call a part, I'll make for darn sure my diagnostic is correct and change ONLY that. I, too, have seen cars coming from other shops (many, many times the dealer!), with ridiculous diagnosis. It actually pisses me off, because those idiots tarnish every one of us with the same brush in the eyes of the public. But rest assured, not ALL mechanics have a boat to pay...some of us just drive 16 year old cars! 🤣🤣🤣
That’s all you can do, tell him what it was and what the other problems are that you saw and let the customers conscience be their guide.
Always learn something from you, thank you :)
Completely understand where you're coming from! Nice job!
Mr O. I’ve seen this happen before when someone reversed the jumper cables when the battery went bad. They tried to jump start the truck and didn’t know what they were doing. It was on a newer ford but they blew the main I think it was 130 amp nothing electric worked but the motor still started. As soon as the 130 amp fuse was replaced everything worked fine.
Came here to say the same. The new battery and alternator could be clues that it has been jump started recently.
@@05milmachine90 same here
Eric please thank Vanessa for the Peppermint essential oil trick for the Fluid Film. I honestly can’t stand the smell of Fluid Film but adding the Peppermint makes it tolerable and the mice hate the smell. Thanks one again.
Man, looking at your "GULF" hat brings back some good memories of my early trucking days in eastern North Carolina. Used lots of Gulf products with excellent outcome. I'm talking early '70s to '80s. Good music, good trucking, good times. "Movin On"
Love that you have a junkyard close. Wish there were some close to me... so useful