Make Iron Oxide (for Thermite)
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the cheapest way to get iron oxide is to buy a ford pick up
Lmao! You know what ford means dont ya?! Fix it again, tony.
@@lemuelseale1640 i thought Fix It Again Tony was the acronym of fiat.. ford was first on race day
Mark Short its a quote from the show king of the hill. I think from the character dale gribble lol
Ok
@@markshort9098 you obviously never drove my truck ,the only thing my truck will do first , is it will be my first truck to go to the scrap yard
My pit bull ate an entire box of S.O.S. steel wool soap pads and shit iron oxide for a week.I suppose you can use this method,but it may change the odor of the Thermite just a bit.
LOL
pit bull accelerated ferric chloride method haha
My pit bull eats everything and somehow survives near death every time
It's better than the smell of urea imo
Blim The Toolman that mean it smells good lmao
“Yeah I’m still easily impressed despite having a PhD” 😂 this is my favorite science channel and I thank you greatly.
Iron oxide is always available if you don´t want it and pretty complex to get when you really need it :/
Universal phenomenon, my friend.
If you're interested, theres a hydrothermal method can make iron oxide with interested properties. If you use a solution of iron chloride and a sugar (sucrose or glucose work well) and put the solution in a hydrothermal reactor you'll end up with iron oxide nano spheres surrounding a nano sized carbon ball scaffold. Filter and dry to powder and then heat to several hundred degrees burns on off the carbon leaving a hollow sphere of ironoxide. I'm curious to see if it make better thermite. I'll make some in a video in the near future probably
TheChemLife Seems cool. Any idea if this is commonly used in nano research or is it just one product from an older bit of research?
ThePharphis I realized I posted that with the wrong channel, I use it in my nanotech research on my other channel, the thought emporium. Same process, but I use it to make glowing nano particles
TheChemLife Cool, thanks for answering
TheChemLife Interesting! I don;t have a hydrothermal reactor or an easy means to reach several hundred degrees but the process does sound fascinating.
TheChemLife aha.. nanothermite is of what i recall created through an organo-electric process where the aluminium is formed among the iron oxide, being also very well mixed up upon being created
This video also took way longer to make than i expected. Oh, well, better late than never.
Do you guys like the longer more comprehensive video format? or do you prefer shorter videos (~4mins)?
NurdRage Longer videos with an in depth explanation. I can get more into the video and better understand your steps that way.
NurdRage NurdRage, I must know, is this your real voice?
I agree, I enjoy the chemistry.
NurdRage I wasn't even thinking about it as a turd solution until you mentioned it, then I began to laugh hysterically. Thank you for that. :)
NurdRage I like the longer videos.
If you run a magnet through fine dry soil, particularly red soils you tend to pick up a noticeable amount of iron. These little pebbles tend to be very tiny from my experience, less than 1cm. I would imagine they would be easy to grind into a fine powder for oxidation by taking advantage of a large surface area!
9+ minutes is amazing! This will be really interesting and I hope you continue with this style of video. I want to emphasize that I only want this if you have 9+ minutes of things to say about the subject. Don't let the pressure of needing a longer video compromise the excellence in quality that we have grown to love! Keep up the good work.
I find that the easiest way to ignite thermite is with glycerine and potassium permanganate - it also gives an inherent time delay to allow you to walk away from it before the reaction starts and doesn't require any magnesium.
I needed some ironoxide for my chemiluminescense experiment, I made it by a percipitation reaction. I mixed iron sulphate with sodiumhydroxide, than I removed the water and was left with ironoxide. It's a really fast way but the downside is that you need iron sulphate :)
you can just use most metal salts like copper sulfate
@@uxleumas not for making iron oxide tho bruh
OKE DIT IS DE LAATSTE PLEK WAAR IK JOU OOIT HAD KUNNEN VERWACHTTEN
Yeah, thats like buying irun oxide but with a lot of extra work,lol
I haven't watched your video's in a few years because my computer broke and i simply could not check all my subscriptions on an xbox. I got a new computer recently and this is the first video I'm watching since then. I'm still amazed by the quality of your production and your attention to detail. Thank you
I'm not joking, I was actually looking for a blueberry pancake recipe. Might try this one day, though.
NurdRage, you are not alone. I also have a PhD (of sorts) and am also easily impressed. i think its because I understand how amazing the process is behind what I am witnessing. I am still amazed by turbine engines for example. Drives my wife nuts.
Typically, only those who do not understand something find it uninteresting.
Wayne Robinson Oh god - that means she WAS pregnant!
+Matthew Marting: I feel like somewhere in there, there's a joke about Matthew's android wife
@@sbaromski those two things arent really correlated imo?
you like turbofans or turbojets?
I'm so glad you're back!
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You can also perform the electrolysis inside, near candles. This drastically increases the chance for hydrogen combustion setting the entire room and you on fire.
I don't know WHY you would want to set your face on fire, but you can.
I laughed 😂
nurd rage i really have respect for you . you made me tha i want to be a chemist i even built my own mini lab and i always watch evry video so thanks greetings from a twelve year old boy from malta
Still doing chemistry?
Hope you're still nerd raging, 7 years later.
Surprisingly great result with the electrolysis method :0
I understand nothing but for some reason I like your videos!
now THAT is an awesome teacher!
Great vid very informative, been using FE304 for a biochar fertilizer mix, it was expensive to buy here in Northern Thailand so I was looking at making it myself, you have put me off the idea, mission accomplished
I’ve learnt more from this guy than any science lesson I’ve had at school
If you want iron oxide you can scrape the bottom off my piece of shit car
***** u idiot iron oxide doesnt form on cars lol r u serious cars r made of aluminium and glass like from the beach i went to the beach once and there was sand which is also known as silicon dioxide, a covalent network substance (i.e. covalent molecules all covalently bonded to each-other as opposed to relying on IMFs), which can be turned into glass and iron oxide absolutely does form on cars as the (typically) nickel galvanising layer wears away and exposes iron which is then oxidised but u r a idiot nd no wonder u hav a shit car cos ur an idiot lol do u even no physics
antiswattt3 please reread my post because I'm seeing that you obv dnt understnd wat i meant stfu u idiot lol ur mom
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this was awesome!
I work at an auto parts store, where we have a brake rotor lathe. I got just about all the iron filings I want!
If your nearby store has a brake lathe, you might could ask for them to give you some. It just gets dumped in the dumpster anyway.
Thank you so much for your videos!
I found myself experimenting (successfully) with an old bit of iron/steel wool to see if I could get some rust.
1. I washed it in dish detergent to rid it of oil residue.
2. I immersed it in hydrogen peroxide solution (3%) in an empty water bottle.
3. Put it in window sill and added pinch of sodium chloride.
4. It worked in a week or so.
3 year sub, and all I do with my life anymore is school, youtube, and science! It's awesome! Keep it up!
Hint: "washing soda" is sodium carbonate. Ferrous Sulfate is sold as moss killer in hardware stores or garden stores. Cheap. Ferrous Hydroxide if Lye used, which oxidizes or use as is (thermite Al works with NiO, MnO, CuO, FeO). On thermal drying Fe3O4 formed.
Hey nurdrage, I'm loving all these electro vids keep em up! I was wondering if you could do a Palladium Chloride video as it is such a useful catalyst and it is also fun to make. Thanks.
So I have no idea whether or not anyone will see this, but I just wanted to drop in. I am in High School and I am writing a paper for forensic science about dangerous chemicals/materials and whether or not we (The U.S) should place higher restrictions. My main argument is the restrictions we'd have to put in play to ban ONE thing: Thermite
Hypothetically say that we put restrictions on the purchase of fine iron oxide and aluminum powders that most metallurgy workers use for their thermite (readily available from Wal-Mart and Amazon, as well as others). With this, you would need some form of permit saying you're a metallurgy worker or something similar. So because of these restrictions, obviously these powders would be a lot harder to get your hands on.
I'm making a counter-argument to the proposal in favor of 'restricting' thermite and other chemicals.
Using this video and the one where Cody's Lab made thermite with aluminum foil, I'm pressing the argument that thermite is something we pretty much can't do anything about. If we put limitations on the powders, it's worth mention that all someone needs is a sheet of aluminum foil and a box of steel wool to show you how unhappy they are.
Not sure if anyone cares!
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This video is fantastic!!!
You're still awesome NurdRage :)
If you use steel wool wash it off with dish soap first (Dawn works best) cuz there's an oil on the steel wool to keep it from rusting. It speeds things up A LOT. lol I found this out looking for info on making old-timey DIY wood stain from steel wool and acetic acid.
Love your vids man. I think we all like a bit longer vids :)
I'm studying chemical engineering because of you!
That was Really cool, I wish I had a place to do these kinda things, Definitely subbing to you.
2:44 *the forbidden cake mixture*
"Black crud become, red crud"
I love this.
thank you for sharing your knowlegde with us peaseants i will be a great chemist inventor one day ,thank you
Vinegar on steel wool forms perfect dust like iron oxide.
I like to come back to this video periodically whenever I have a new update, so here it is.
In my case, the peroxide would the most expensive investment...until I found some septic treatment that is 15-20% hydrogen peroxide at $7 a gallon. However, even with shipping it's still cheaper to buy 20lbs of rust from a ceramics supply online, than it is to invest in the time and reagents. If youre sketchy on the quality, you can still make a weak pirranah solution to convert impurities into soluable or separable salts and particles. But I doubt the effort would be worth it.
For those thinking that just adding peroxide to rust or iron with work, yes it will, but it's highly inefficient and the rust itself seems to be a catalyst to decompose the peroxide, meaning that as rust is created, the less peroxide their is to react and thus wasting your reagents. I have 15g of red rust I've been reacting under 50ml of the above concentration of peroxide going on six days. Since the rust I used is the result of three refinement and filtering steps (including magnetic and mass graduation) I doubt my sample is that impure that concentrated peroxide would continue to react almost a week later at an average temp of 80F. The only thing I can think of for it's continued reaction is that iron oxide has a catalytic property with H2O2 that would give a false positive for contaminates or continued oxidation of trace iron.
You are great!
good place to start to look for it is at any big hard-where store in the concrete coloring part
I find that white vinegar is a useful catalyst and scrap iron for cans can be used. Iron (II) acetate is unstable to oxidation while iron (III) acetate breaks down into iron hydroxide, releasing the acetate for further reaction. With an ice cream container, a liter of vinegar and a few squashed cans you can make a kilo of oxide a week. Cheap white vinegar is factory made now and is literally just acetic acid. As a bonus the unreacted acid will evaporate off when you're done.
I realize this is an ancient video, but I wanted to add some observations of my own which I made recently. I have made iron oxide using the electrolytic method. I used sodium bicarbonate as an electrolyte, and did not observe the passivization effect you encountered. I did not want to use sodium chloride because the iron oxide was for another experiment (not thermite) and needed to be substantially chloride-free. The things I did differently from you:
-my sacrificial anode was a piece of cast iron, not steel like your nail. I don't know if this has an effect, but thought I'd mention it
-the electrolyte was diluted: 4% NaHCO3
-I used a low but constant current of 0.45A from my bench power supply. Yes it takes longer, but it worked.
I did it with sodium hydroxide and no current appeared, I turned into NaCl
Keep on sharing
Most don’t know that steel wool is shipped coated with oil for rust protection. If you use it for anything like trying to rust it or anything else, you should wash it with acetone or lacquer thinner or similar. That’s probably why in this video it didn’t rust extremely well....
Are you aware that it looked like you were stirring around a turd?
This is the science teacher we all wanted in high school but never came close to getting lol
Awsome!! Loving it. Wish I paid more attention to chemistry classes than that girl in highshool. :)
Very informative, but I think I am out of my depth! Your descriptions are so scientific that I would need to go back to 8th grade and retake chemistry (beginning) Really want to learn this stuff but you are moving way fast for my simple ol' mind(60 yrs)
Dude you should narrate horror movies. You have an awesome voice!
Lol thats not how his voice sounds
Found a nice way to remove the salt. Boil down the iron oxide tell dry in a pie tin and use a large magnet on the bottom. The iron oxide is easily rinsed with no loss.
5:17 for a second... I thought I was smart, then I remembered this is electrolytic and not galvanic. I cringed a little inside. Thanks for making me use my brain a little more than normal and jogging my memory. Much appreciated. I will forever remember my chemistry prof repeating, "I'm POSITIVE I have a cat in the garage." Over and over. Professor Nipe... thanks for being (sort of) helpful.
awesome!
I like the longer video
You can avoid that foaming when precipitating the iron, if you just use sodium hydroxide instead of baking soda. This doesn't release CO2 and you also dont get a mixture of iron hydroxide and carbonat. I personally prefer this method because it's somewhat cleaner and easier to work with. Also you don't need to dilute and decant it, since you can just let it sit for a few hours in a cold environment and then filter it.
i think he was going for more common home chemicals, also baking soda has that nice co2 bubbling as an indicator i guess, but yeah NaOH is probably best
i wish you could be my tutor i am studying a lot i love chemistry it blows my mine on how many chemicals that can be made someday i want to find someone that would help me i have problems with writhing equations thank you for your videos you are a very smart chemist i wish i was half as smart as you
2:48 yep thought of that the first time i tried making some
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mayb u can cleensweep a mechanic-shop (iron oxide from welding and grinding)
-or even a dockyard.
I came across a bulkhead wall lately where large chunks of rust fell off.
you should make a video about the black snake experiment. .. like do it but show different ways it could be done
4:27 drying iron oxide on top of brake rotors, very appropriate
Nice observation. Very appropriate
Thank you Seth, very cool!
yay new NR video! ~~ locks will be broken~
I think the most efficent way of seperating water from iron hydroxide is boiling off the water, also you can keep boiling after the water is gone to convert the iron hydroxides to iron oxide, i used this method for my experiment
GREAT VIDEO!!! but just in case anyone needs IRON OXIDE for THERMITE, you can also go to a masonry supply store and buy it in bags. They literally sell bags of rust as dye for mortar
An artis would tell you that Iron colors range from Indian red to black to yewwow to silver (goethite). You need Fe3O4, either heating Fe2O3 or FeO. You have water in your "Iron Oxide" and as you.know water doesn't help anhydrous reactions.
Hey NurdRage, I have a question since your the only one I know to go to. I have a fallout 3 nuka cola replica bottle filled with tonic water (because of the quinine) and make it glow with a black light, I put blue food coloring in the quinine and it looked great yesterday but today it's almost Clear!!? What happened? Does quinine have some chemical reaction with food dye or could it be the UV light making it loose it's color? I need a smart person to help me lol.
I've used thermite before it's really fun to do :) but just do it away from anything flammable.
If you use the thermal method and put either steel wool or turnings into a metal container with holes - you can ignite a portion and then air boil the rest until it stops melting and increasing its temperature. The resulting solid mass has to be broken up - After this its a case of using a hydraulic press and a screen. The big chunks are melted Iron chunks ranging from large to granular - The resulting powder ranging from dust to caster sugar size is your oxide - I have to say it is highly reactive and my preferred method as it is less messy. I found this by accident one day - It is called the Basic Oxygen Process - pioneered by a gentleman call William Kelly from my research - except it was Henry Bessemer was given all credit for the process and Kelly lost out, even though there is historical evidence that he contributed a lot to this process - I also made an instructable many years ago demonstrating this process in action.
A variable power supply was recommended, but I have old computer power supplies that can supply 3v, 5v, or 12v.
I suspect that 12v will certainly go faster, but risks over-volting. Most PSUs can supply the most watts on the 5v rail, and 3v would end up being the most efficent, but will take longer and or require higher surface area for the anode and cathode.
i like your video.
could you do a vid on how to make easy aluminium powder or filings for thermite?
Your awesome I now love science
That red dye like iron oxide can be produced by taking Iron oxides produced in this video and putting them in a microwave oven rolled in fiberglass for 15-30 second intervals until it's done . The fiberglass is to protect the microwave oven's dish or any dish used from the heat produced by the iron oxide, which will glow red while being heated. Be careful not to unintentionally stain anything with the end product, because you either have to use Hydrochloric acid to clean it up or the object is fire engine red for the rest of eternity.
I have had a problem when dissolving black sands in aqua regia that I end up with much to much dissolved iron which you have identified here as iron chlorides. I will test it when I get the chance, but would using sodium bicarbonate and I precipitate iron hydroxides and iron carbonates, will it leave the aurochloric acid behind to later precipitate out with SMB? If I use the dilution and decanting method to filter it does the dilution adversely affect the aurochloric acid or can it simply be evaporated to a more concentrated state.?
Im making iron oxide from vinegar, Should I chemically clean it for a better burn? Also, What burns hotter, Iron oxide or copper? Would you do a video on the two different thermites? I find that just learning the different methods of making Iron oxide is very amazing.A very big fan.
When you heat the products from the electrolysis reaction, are you simply using an electric hob or something more specific? Thanks in advance, and sorry for the stupid question.
and two birthday sparklers warped in 2 layers of cooking foil will start the reaction for tho having trouble getting mg ribbon.
the foil traps a lot of wasted heat making them burn hotter
I have done electrolyisi of Iron in salt water years ago
If you were to use a stainless steel nail in the electrolytic method, wouldnt it produce cancerogenic chromates ?
(Since the chromium could easily be oxidized to chromium-(III)-ions which would then react with the bleach)
Hi.
I just re-watched your video.
I am wondering how to go about purifying some rust into pure iron oxide? I have a big heavy bucket full of big pieces of rust that have come off my old digger as thick layers. I would like to make a thermite mix from this.
4:28 Nice Brake discs.
This would also be cheaper if you have or are a mechanic with a shop and a big bolt bucket where the bolts can be turned to iron oxide.
Have you noticed any differences in speed to produce or quality of; between type and quality of the raw/scrap iron? Example: Does the different reactions take longer or provide more pure results between something like a treated nail, (such as you were using) and an untreated iron like cast iron?
Sodium hypochlorite + steel wool equals a dark brown mess in about a day. Found this when I was cleaning something a while back. Left the wool in the bleach over night. How pure is the dry powder left over? I also use Sodium hypochlorite to strip copper from other metals. Copper oxidizes slower than most, so done right i can separate the copper easily from the other oxidized metals.
Hey, NurdRage, I have a question. I know this is an old video, so I really hope for a reply, but I won't hold my breath. I did the wet chemical process shortly after the video was released and ended up with a great result, nice brown/red powder that looked like I would expect iron oxide to look. When I moved, I threw away a lot of stuff and that was one of the things to go. I did this again recently, diluted and let the particles settle 3 times before finally allowing it to dry. About 2 weeks into the drying (WA state doesn't get very warm...) I got impatient and put the remaining solution in a glass casserole dish and into the oven at 200° F for about 12 hours to let it dry faster. I didn't do this with the first batch, allowing it to dry outside in the TX heat. The second result wasn't as good as the first though, giving me rock-like chunks almost totally black in color, with a lot of white powder crystallized on them. I assume that the white stuff is either salt or excess bicarb. I put a few of the chunks in a mortar and pestle and crushed them up (white powder and all) and ended up with a brown powder, but not quite like the stuff I got out of the first batch. I'm assuming the brown color comes from the mix of the black rock-like chunks and the white powder, and not from the typical brown/red iron oxide III product. Could you maybe point out what I did wrong or what might have caused this? Was it the putting it in the oven, or too much bicarb, or letting it settle too long between diluting it (I let it set for several hours each time because I lost track of time.) Any information would be helpful, even if it's not from NurdRage himself. Thank you!
How about this:
1, Steel wool into the grill separated from the fire so it only get really heated up.
2, Water+NaCl+the steel wool-->Fe2O3
3, Heat the powder upp to make the iron hydroxide get into iron.
4, Use magnet to separate Fe2O3.
5, You now have got pure Fe2O3.
This should be an easy way to get many kilograms of Fe2O3.
is supposed to be for my solution is grey and black and very magnetic so it's basically a big mass of iron filings nanoparticulate at best and larger. I'm wondering if at this point I should pump some oxygen through it or perhaps some ozone although I know that it will oxidize with heat later on after I dry it I'm wondering if it would be easier to just do it now pumping some air oxygen or ozone through the solution
I have 30lbs of railroad spikes, so I'm using the electrolitic process while running a bubbler through it. The extra oxygen from the bubbler helps to both react FeOH into FeO3, as well as prevent buildup on the electrodes.
I had tried also to grind up and convert rust flakes accumulated from a junk car, and although this seems like a cheap source, it's actually such an inferior quality as to be almost useless.
With the electrolytic process eventually all of the salt will be converted into NaHO, and this will still work as an electrolyte but it's less efficient as an electrolyte. So depending on when you decide to stop the reaction, it may become necessary to exchange the solution.
What happens to the chlorine?
@@kayakMike1000 I made an error. Some of the the chlorine will be out gassed, while the majority will probably be reacted into ferric chloride and sodium chlorate.
2nd one acid cardonate high water use ? Do you Heat it! Faster removal off h2o and transfer off at least a percent no?
There is a way to get fairly pure iron oxides for "free" (you still have to spend some money).
Just buy a pack of peanut, there is a small package inside, it is iron oxides.
The function of iron oxide in there is to consume the leftover oxygen after the peanut is sealed.
Most likely the reaction is FeO --- Fe2O3.
Greetings fellow nerds, this is NurdRage. And today we are going to make Iron oxide.
This is the only video I've seen on UA-cam that shows the reduction of iron oxide to metallic iron using electrolysis - even though that wasn't the intent of the video. I've found sources claiming that electrolysis of iron chloride can yield metallic iron, but I wasn't successful when I attempted it. I'm interested in reducing iron ore using electrolysis - would you have any information or tips to point me in the right direction? Thanks!
Should try hydrogen peroxide & salt. Best solution I've found so far to make iron oxide.
what about boiling down urine and using for electrolyte? the urea with the salt somehow cooperate that it can get very concentrated so you get even more current.
Thanks for the recipe.
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I just attempted this and ended up with nanoparticulate size iron filings live that are still highly magnetic I'm rinsing the whole lot right now I got quite a bit a couple of pounds worth. Did I do something wrong I used to large iron bar I did use a copper play that I have I had no bubbling with the anode and I use the saturated salt solution I used to kosher salt
What are your thoughts on continuously pumping ozone into salt water, letting it bubble and rust Iron that way? Or would it just destroy the air pump rather quickly as well?