Two Practitioners Talking: Dances in Kali
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- It is widely accepted that during the Spanish Occupation of the Philippines, the Spaniards outlawed the practice of FMA. But that did not stop the practitioners from practicing the art that they loved. Instead they hid it the cultural dances. Doug Marcaida and Willie Laureano talk about how FMA was always hidden with the cultural dances of the Philippines
I like how Doug explained how the principles behind the stick fighting go beyond just the stick. That's the difference between sight and vision. Sight is viewing the world around you simply for what it is. Vision is viewing the world around you for what it could be.
Bam! Truth 💣!
It's so amazing how they embed those fighting flows into their own cultural dances though the Spaniards have no idea the purpose behind it. It is so brilliant the way they pre-embed the movements and principles of fighting style into the minds of their youngsters while growing up until the right age to get serious into learning the fighting system.. When the adults starts to pass down the knowledge to their young ones, those kids had already mastered the flows and easily understands and acquires the skills.
I didn't expect that all of our traditional dance has a secret that can connect to deadly self-defense and Marital arts Proud to be a Filipino 💖
Thank you
@@413MediaGroup wow this video is so enlightening
In some ways reminds me of Capoeira. Not just the footwork but for the fact that martial arts drills were hidden within traditional dances. Fascinating!
It was because the practice of martial rats were forbidden by the spaniards so they wer secretly incorporated in the dance by our ancestors
Traditional Filipino Dances, a form of secret Filipino Martial Arts! Ingenius!
Salamat po, mga Maestro! Mabuhay po kayo!
It was because the spaniards wanted to erase filipino culture, so the natives made it like dance arts so the spaniards will never notice it.
I think FMA masters in the past just alibi to the spañards when they caught conducting a kali training in times when KALI is illegal by telling them "no were just practicing our dance choreo."
Has it been proven that FMA was illegal?
Damn man ive danced all those three maglalatik tinikling and pandanggo sa ilaw but never did i felt those martial arts rushing within me.
saturn D'great i feel the exact same way... although I never was into the dances I did see the maglalatik influence into FMA. Thanks for your comments and hope you enjoyed our other videos
Doug never see when he was a kid, he just realize it,
you should apply it now xD.
Its not about the formula..... He he he.... Hows your perception.... Focus..... Concentration..... The dances have those kind of Instinct training.....
I can't believe that all traditional filipino dance was actually connected to FMA Kali. Amazing
its because the spaniards actually banned the KALI, so they think another way how to preserved our martial arts
Very philosophical idea ....
A brilliant idea thanks kuya Doug
So glad I found this video - and the other 3 of the series. SO much to learn in just André minutes. Thanks for letting the two tell those stories!
You’re very much welcome
thats why Sinulog dance fiestival dance in many native tribe in Philippines. when you interpret the dance it tells the preparation or training of native tribe in KALI in CEBU😊😊😊😊
Thank you for verifying what I was taught when I trained in Sayoc Kali. We trained in my Guro's back yard, rendering it grassless within a few months. He kept verbal tradition as he told us how practice was hidden in dance from the Spaniards. He shared all the history he could with us. How wonderful that you included the dancers and the names of the dances. Much respect to you 🙏 I have subscribed and will enjoy watching more of your videos.
Sandy S thank you for your comment Sandy. Yes as a practitioner of FMA the historical tradition is important and adds a whole level of appreciation of the art
This is so amazing! I was just talking about learning these dances as a boy and watching my mom dance them as well. The history behind them... and now to see these two men discuss it and illustrate it like this... I am speechless. Thank you for making this video. It brings back such amazing memories of my childhood and pride of all of my heritage.
FitDad Experiment-3Eight thank you for your comment. Yeah I was in awe when we were filming this series. I hope you got a chance to watch the other episodes and please don’t forget to subscribe.
413Group yeppers. I subscribed. Watched some more videos on my break. Just finished watching the one about the first Filipino Infantry Regiment during WWII. Makes me wonder if that is how my Grandfather came to America. He was in the Army. Met my grandmother and had 14 children with her and passed away. I only know very little of him but what I do know of him I know he served proudly in the Army. I know he was a good man to my Grandma. A good father to my mom and her siblings. He wore shop rags on his feet because he viewed socks as a privilege. That meant it was an expense that would have taken food out of his family’s mouths. He got out of the Army and worked in a factory somewhere in Hawaii. There was an accident and he saved a man’s life during the accident at the plant. He passed when my mom was young but she doesn’t remember how. Thank you for your videos. They’ve truly made my day during a very hard time in life.
I am so glad that you enjoyed our videos and that it has somewhat brought levity to your difficult time your life. What our elders did to make a better life for their children is truly inspiring.
413Group thank you. It was nice talking with you. Have a good one.
Have a blessed day as well
Try watching another Philippine folk dance called Sakuting where dancers actually hold double sticks. You can actually see some basic "sinawali" drills there.
ren cab thank you for your comment. Yeah those were one of the many comparisons we thought about.
Hello Sir! That was interesting and it blew my mind thinking of all the Filipino folk dances that are somehow actually related to FMA other than what you have mentioned. And thought, as mentioned in other historical videos, maybe, since they were under surveillance by whoever was colonizing them, it was a way of practicing Kali without the enemies knowing. And it was actually an ingenious idea. Really brilliant! Thank you for enlightening us!
Wow. I never knew that our traditional dances in the Philippines has actually a connection with kali.
WYL P Amazing isn’t it
That's funny that Kuya Doug spoke about this, I learned about this a long time ago it seems like.. Thank you for reminding me! My Lolo taught me Kali when I was younger back home, I learned Muay Thai and Shotokan here in the U.S.. I used to compete full-contact aswell when I was younger. Alot of different Ethnic backgrounds used different techniques to hide their Arts, dance was one of em'.. Capoera is another perfect example.
YOU HAVE TO KEEP ON GOING WITH THIS GREAT IDEA.
Speaking of hidden martial practices in dance, it may be interesting to you to take a look at late medieval, renaissance and early colonial dance from Spain, Italia and France. When you look at the dancing, picture the lead dance holding a long, slender blade in their dominate hand.
Bjorn Ronaldson awesome let me take a look. Thank you for comment. Don’t forget to watch the other episodes of TWO PRACTITIONERS TALKING and Subscribe
@@ryneagheilim9782 That looks like a lot of things.
Doug is FMA genius. Soon he will be GM of FMA as well. Next master Yoda of FMA.
Jefferson Sibal lol
I love this so much. Thank you!
Thank you
AWESOME
Two of the best FMA Teacher. Pugay!
Yeah they cool peeps
wow! so the dances and games i learned are for fighting..... again wow 🤩
This is so so so amazing!!! Love it Guro Willie and Doug!
Deep ain’t it?
@@413MediaGroup absolutely! This is why I love the Filipino martial arts... it's quite literally in my blood haha ;) thanks for sharing.
sooooo wonderful!! after training 40 years know nothing.ok...a little.c
T.T. Stern maybe not nothing just a little more Now
WOW! I didn't know this before.
I never thought of it that way
I agree with Doug, when you see it more than its physical form, an Arnis could lion d be a sword, knife, others, this is actually the next level where the right hemisphere starts to work. The right hemisphere of the brain is responsible for art, music, interpretation, there is no limit. So it applies itself to this higher level of thinking, to a martial artist, to an inductee. Thank you to both of you. Pugay po. (Tallahassee Kali JKD Silat Group)
This is such an amazing and informative content! Thank you!
You're so welcome!
much respect. Thanks for sharing.
thank you for watching. I hope you like our other videos.
2 Great Teachers Here and Love the Stories.
chaltaloma did you get to watch the other episodes?
Not Yet but do want to see all of them......Very Good info !! Thanks
chaltaloma they are all on this channel. Please don’t be afraid to share and subscribe :-)
So glad someone talked about this, only wish they'd demonstrate more. They were banned from practicing the arts so when they were asked to entertain the conquistadors, they were dancing whilst running through their kali drills out in the open.
Thank you for your comment... But did you know that this was a series? So there are more
Im amazed. More power sir. Truly a Filipino pride.
Mark Jitro Armada thank you for you comment. I’m glad you enjoyed the videos
Our ancestors is very good at hiding our culture that even us cant find it ... atleast some of us :)
Congratulation.
I really miss doing FMA! Anytime someone would ask me what we did in class I'd say we danced. It never failed to get a confused look too. Lol
That’s hilarious. The other great thing About FMA is you can always come back to it.
still looking for Kali school here in Albuquerque...Shout out to My Teacher Dave Mobely
Atomic Frog Productions LLC man that sucks that there isn’t a FMA teacher in Albuquerque
Nice work
Thank you
it will keall ❤️❤️❤️
yes it will
Amazing
Ricardo Junior thank you Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays
very brilliant interpretation, thumbs up!
I know.. but it's supposed to be a secret training not to be announce to the public
isay cas, naw, secrets or master's with secrets holding back isnt a good thing, transparency is the way to go, most ppl who watch this and have no understanding of that art will forget it anyway, good video
Holy fucking shit...u just made my understanding of our ancestors goes up a lot more. Thank you for those wise words. Sadu sadu sadu.
John Smith thank you for your comment. If you haven’t please share and subscribe.
wow GENIUS
DAYwalker I’ll tell them. Happy Thanksgiving
In our PE class, we used to perform Kali/Arnis through dancing. I remember I got hit by the stick many times then hahaha
I am absolutely mind blown that the very traditional dance of the Philippines were actual martial arts. Old people in the philippines had always said that filipinos trained through dances which I thought were ridiculous. They never knew how to rationalise how the traditional dances could be training that’s why I never believed it. I thought it was one of those ‘kwentong barbero’. Which just means a ridiculous made up story.
I would love to see how Traditonal Filipino weapons such as spears, shields, etc were used in kali ^_^
Alexander Alvero ohhh that would be interesting. Let me see what I can do. Thanks for the comments. If you haven’t yet please subscribe and I hope you like the other videos on the series. Merry Christmas
413Group Ohh okay! Im really into the culture and history of the Philippines so thank you in advance 😊
Alexander Alvero I’ll do my best. So far there is little written records of FMA
Do not forget the another devastating weapon, LANTAKA. 😉
There's a tribe in the Philippines known to be fearsome spear warriors. They are called subanen.. And their spear is made up of young bamboo shoots. And some say that they can hit you seven times in ones move.
It is known to counter kali or fighting sticks and sword.
just like in Karate Kid, you can practice martial arts in simple task such as dancing, sweeping the floor, wiping cars or windows,...usually I move a bucket full of water while I'm in the bathroom before I take a shower/bath in order to practice and stengthen my low kicks.
Michael Joseph Dimaano thank you for your comment. Interesting
Michael Joseph Dimaano COBRA KAI!!!
Huh, I do flow and fire arts and somewhat knew some aspects would transfer over to using a weapon, I didn't realize that using hand lamps as a prop would transfer over to escaping a wrist grab.
Great stuff! :)
Ruiseart Alcorn thank you
Amazing! Dance with martial arts. It's hidden for those who do not understand Pilipino Martial arts.
binoy A thank you for your comment
Dont forget the cariñosa....according to some eskrima masters that the footwork was based on cariñosa dance...
Oh nice thank you
We do need story teller.
I did pandango sa ilaw for a cultural night before as well as Tinikling. So fun! I did paseo as well. Yes the dance moves seem like martial arts in some aspect. No I did not do maglagtig.
MaharlikaAWA thank you for your comment
freaking genius!
hezekiah valdez I agree, I think the genius comes from how much it makes so much sense. Thank you for your comment and hope you can subscribe and watch our other videos
One reason that many of the cultural dancers don't know the applications is because those versions of the dance were "refined" and even reinterpreted for presentation by dancers and choreographers, many of whom did not have a background or were not interested at all in FMA. In the Visayas, for example, there is a distinct contrast when oldtimers dance the kuradang as opposed to the kuradang that is taught in dance ensembles for school competitions. Oldtimers adopt a low stance, lift and stomp their feet, continually twist their wrists, circle around their partner, and reach low as if trying to hit their partner's shins with imaginary sticks.
Readioheed thank you for your insightful comments
That's right sir, all Filipino martial arts came from Filipino cultural dance. It was hidden before the spaniard eyes because Our Ancient law before, it was Spanish Thank you for sharing Sir
I love this karatbit fighting master
Karthick Jit not sure which one you are referring too either Doug or Willie. But both are awesome. Thank you for the comment.
You are so cool 🥰🥰🥰😍😘😘😘
really love how they talk about the Philippines
Edit:I'm an Filipino btw
Thank you for your comment. Part of the purpose of this video is to highlight the Philippine culture.
@@413MediaGroup thank you
You should check out our sister channel that focuses on Filipino Martial Arts ua-cam.com/users/Fmaschool
Hindi mapaKALI=Unstable, Continious, Fluid… KALInangan=Culture, Knowledge, Way of Life.
thanks for the comment and for watching the videos. I hope you enjoy all our other vids
One mind, any weapon principle
i think kali came from the dances or games. they practice dance and games then apply it to kali at the same time so the spaniards would not notice they were practicing martial arts
Thank you for your comment, and I apologize it took too long to reply.
From more recent understandings, it looks like the Spaniards really did not outlaw the practice of FMA and that it looks more like it was the Spaniards was the one that introduce FMA to the Filipinos.
And Armour hasn't changed my Brother
Come visit Philippines it’s more fun in the Philippines
Wow all of the dances makes sense for defense and offense.
It’s crazy how much that it does apply. Thank you for the comment
Interesting 🙏
Charlie C4 Thank you
La realidad es que el Kali ,tiene una fuerte influencia española, por mas que los filipinos,lo niegen..."Manual de Baratero", saludos.
What d word kali means. Please reply
Kali is another name for Filipino Martial Arts. Like Eskrima and Arnis
Man like us so obsess with fighting. See everything as a chance to hurt some jerks but lucky we're good guys.
Let’s just say, there are days when I see piñatas 🪅 everywhere and I’m holding a stick
Proud filipino
fkn mindblown
Joshua Ezekiel Belandres Thank you have you seen the other episodes?
I had that dance at my wedding in Honolulu. Married an amazing Philipino woman. Learned something new today Thank you 🙏
You’re welcome. Say hi to Ate for us.
Wow! All Filipinos are martial artists.
Vergel Sevilla I don’t know about all. Thank you for your comment and for watching our videos. If you haven’t already please subscribe.
Even kata is a dance/book of technique
True
From someone who grew up in the Philippines and who learned both arnis and traditional dance, I can say that the masters who taught arnis never made any connections with the traditional dance. Those traditional dances are just that nothing more. However, I'm not saying that one can not make the connections as Master Doug did.
The red pants used by modern arnis were taken from a painting where the artist portrayed the pants of Andres Bonifacio as red to represent blood. Old masters never wore red pants.
The mag lalatik, as legend has it, is about the fight and the reconciliation between Christianized Filipinos against Moros from the south. The pandango sa ilaw was taken from Spanish fandango.
Arnis was never called Kali, it is popular now as kali but the old masters will tell you they didn't know kali if you ask them to teach you that.
Pls keep in mind sir that Kuya Doug was also born in the Philippines and I’m sure that his FMA pedigree is unquestionable. But you’re right, it was his observation, but as many have stated that there is no evidence that suggest that there was a connection but is there evidence that says otherwise? I think that it could be possible that there is some connection to it but just no historical evidence that says so. Just a. Thought. Thank you for the comment
@@413MediaGroup
Thank you for the reply, I have no intention to start an argument I’m just here to offer what I know and has learned over the years.
My comment is not to question Master Doug’s lineage it was simply meant to share. I’ve seen Master Doug before and he is really a master to his art. I’m simply sharing what I know.
From that knowledge I can tell you that the masters that taught Arnis did not connect the art to a dance. Some of them can not even dance 😀.
The dances mentioned are not so widespread - up until recently of course. I believe Master Doug can trace his Arnis lineage from Negros. Those dances are not from that area.
As you have said both premises - with dance connections and without - does not present any evidence is very much true. In the same way there are no evidences to say that katana was used or not used in Arnis. Just my two cents worth I won’t go further than what I have learned or taught. But it’s just me.
Again thank you for the reply , I hope that my comment was not taken as an offense - that was not my intention.
My sincere apologies if it was seen otherwise.
@@filipinaspeopleandculture2786 no offense taken
Goose bump
ram orio thank you
Even the bird dancers for the old trobe
I’m assuming you meant tribe, but yes.
@@413MediaGroup my bad yes sir
No worries. I do the same thugn I got fat pingers
@@413MediaGroup wow your gripping is good with fat fingers did you soak it with hot sand
What I especially like is there is no discussion of Chi or Kai, or Chakras, or no-mindedness. NO - only practical, actual, useful skills - real world, hidden in the cultural dances, as well explained here.
Peace and may God continue to bless those not subscribing to impractical, baselessness. I just wish some Filipinos would stop subscribing to Talismans, which is often the case.
NO. When God is ready to have you come home - you're going, and no Talisman is going to keep you here on earth. Likewise, practically, it's the kinesthetic awareness and skills brought out in footwork drills, and hard earned lessons of actual, full-contact stick fighting in minimal as possible, but safe gear, that makes a Philippine Scout, capable, in modern warfare -
NOT, "becoming like water," as Bruce Lee said, or having no-mind as mind B.S., but actual familiarity and practice with what is, mindfully, at hand, and foot, and against blade and arms, either weapon-based or empty hand, which matters.
Thanks...
These people looks literally supervillains that is in passive mode
Nah, these guys are great and honorable men, just don't mess with them
mmm kaya pla
Harold Guzman Salamat sa comment. Kami din nagulat
Have you studied with Dan Insanto? And have you heard of Bud Thompson in Whittier, Ca
Naila Martus Guro Willie Laureano trained with Guro Dan Inosanto. I unfortunately haven’t had the privilege. I also haven’t heard of Bud Thompson.
413Group.....it's nice to stumble on teachings of KALI. Good movement I see. KALI integrated with WING CHUNG is what I remembered. Also it's very authentic when you brought the dancers in. Your vids took me back to my good ole days. I also remember the sifu's talking of the beauty of the dance.. Anyways I sub'd so hopefully I see more vids. TY
Naila Martus thank you for subscribing. We strive to always showcase martial arts in all its forms and beauty.
I see a stick,now that is a nuke.i see a rock ,.......
ummm, not really sure what you meant, but thank you for commenting
filipino are true ancient warriors :D
Wax on - Wax off. I see it now. Great video!
AxionXIII hahaha. Thank you
wow, i never saw this coming. but it makes a lot of sense! I was a dancer trained in ballet, jazz and tap. I thought some of our folk dances are very simplistic and lack of significance. Is it possible that these dances were created to secretly hide the Kali techniques (from the Spaniards) so that it can live on and passed on for generations? Similar to what happened to the mysterious language Eskaya?
bisdakdiay although there isn’t any written historical documents supporting what they said. But it does make a lot of sense. Thanks for your comments and hope you enjoyed the whole series
Thank you for helping keep Kali alive and sharing its technique.
I hope to see continued support and appreciation for this art. Much love....
bisdakdiay I will share your gratitude to both Doug and Willie
If that rattan stick will hit the head. The skull is crushed. Never understimate the rattan stick.It's more of practice weapon.
I agree. Plus the mere fact that a stickfighter can accelerate the stick at a faster rate makes its even harder to defend
Exlint
عبد الله احمد thank you
I see kenpo in everything.
Stan Senter funny I see eskrima in everything. Thank you for commenting. Hope you enjoy this and our other videos
413Group that's understandable if escrima is your primary system, like kenpo is all I've known for the last 20+years. I think seeing our systems in other disciplines help to understand motion and their applications and thus advance ourselves in ways others who haven't begun to "see".
Completely, i agree. Sometimes people get upset saying. Hay that’s ours.
413Group Bruce Lee said something about the human body can only move in so many ways, the only way to make it different is if we grew a third arm or something....I think, I could be wrong (just ask my wife).
Stan Senter I think so too
Hey that's not fair, I'm also handsome and should be three of us.
Hahahaha maybe next time
Eraka
WAT. 🤯
koracha looks like an empty hand arnis style..
just like japanese ninjas..their weapons are base on farming tools.
Kababayan
I asked my guro about this and he said " dancers are dancers and fighters are fighters".
Thank you for comment...
gregg jose wrong
well he ain't wrong
Its a matter when you implement them or not on your daipy training.
gregg jose your freaking wrong dude!!
Bide anlasak
Ye sorry but the whole ``fma was so dangerous the spaniards banned it`` is a load of bs, there is NO historical proof that this ever happened. And even if it did it wouldn´t have mattered it´s not like a martial art is going to change the entire course of a war when both sides have skilled soldiers/fencers/fighters/martial artists. Now it wouldn´t suprise me if the cultural dances would have martial arts as an influence since there are other cultures that also have this so that´s definitely a possibility.
Only when you open heart and flee to god, you can understand what these Grandmasters say :D So dont try to take advantage of this art, cuz you will get busted someday.
demn, so Filipino dances are made to protect the killing art.
Apparently