>”2013-2014 level” >Brings up cosmic levels most people don’t even buy >Cyber has argued for and against cosmic Bleach several times but nevermind that “I doubt” is a great indicator that he wouldn’t Sure guys lmao
The slowly-fading-in imagery of Dante enthusiastically giving a dying, purple-haired Ragna the Bloodedge a lecture on the entirety of Bleach lore, as the video goes on over the hours, gives me so much life.
This is gonna be one hell of a match. Both Aizen & Madara have many absurd things to bring to the table, and it could honestly go in either direction based on what you are buying from these 2. I'd prefer an Aizen win, but I can easily see solid arguments from the the Madara camp as well.
Either way, the comments section is gonna be a shitstorm on par with Goku vs Superman, Goku vs Superman 2 and Ben 10 vs Green Lantern. And I am going to love it tbh. It'll make good entertainment
@@majoratwili7312 Oh, absolutely! I’m neutral to both of these characters, so I don’t care who wins. I’ll just grab some popcorn and season it from all the salt that’s gonna be thrown around
I forgot, is there anything Madara can do against the Hogyoku. Just wondering since I didn't watch Naruto in a while, but tbh I would prefer if they don't use the Hogyoku and Six Paths Mode but they probably will knowing them.
The amount of effort and content was made into this to make something that fits into a cinematic universe That’s actually impressive. Love you guys thanks for the amazing video and Nemesis’s funeral.
@@therupz This is the real hype battle of Bleach vs Naruto. Forget Ichigo vs Naruto, forget Aizen vs Madara or even Yhwach vs Kaguya, Aizen's chair vs Ramen guy is where it's at!
@@Powxrr so he'd rip the soul out of the soul reaper which is already a soul? not debating that madara would win but like im pretty sure its the soul thats immortal mate
The way you integrated the doodle I did of you having to suffer through the magic of Bleach was priceless lmfao. Thanks again for that and great vid. Gonna be fun to see how much bullshit they cram in the episode itself.
2 things.. 1: Kyoka Suigetsu is NOT an Illusion or Illusory type power. it deals with a person's literal perception... it isn't something like Tsukuyoki where Itachi traps his victim in a fake world and makes them feel fake pain that for them feels real, no, Kyoka literally makes people think, see, smell, feel and taste things as if they are the real deal. If you are affected by Tsukuyomi you may figure out that it isn't real and yet you still feel it as if is was in fact being under Tsukuyomi is so obvious that it's an illusion that one could theoretically figure out a way to escape it (even though you would actually need your own Sharingans to do so so it's still almost impossible) but if you're under Kyoka's hypnosis there is literally no way for you to know if what any of your senses are telling you is fake, to you it's all real. Captain level Shinigamis who have seen Aizen's sword over 100 years prior were STILL under it's effect after that same amount of time. Even Yhwach who can literally see the past, present and future simultaneously never figured out he was under Kyoka Suigetu's Hypnosis so once you fall under KS you're basically fckd and at the end of the main manga Aizen doesn't even need to draw out his sword or even say it's release command. he walks into the room and whoever looks at him is automatically put under KS's hypnosis effect. and 2: the Hogyoku. let me start by saying that this thing is one of the most bullshit McGuffins in fiction.. oh you can die? well you're immortal now. oh you're weaker than your opponent? no you're not. basically this thing makes it's "Master" (not wielder) achieve literally anything they so desire and not just on the surface level. the ONLY reason Aizen lost to Ichigo is because subconsciously he actually wanted Ichigo to beat him and the Hogyoku knows this even though Aizen himself did not so he lost. now in a battle against an opponent who he literally does has not have a spec of care for there is no way the Hogyoku will let it's master loose... "oh but Madara can just rip it out of his chest so he doesn't have that power anymore" one might say but yeeeaaaah no Gin already did that and it didn't work... like I said the Hogyoku doesn't just work for anyone, it works for an actual "Master" so even if you somehow rip it out of Aizen it will somehow find a way to get back to him and make it so that no one can rip it out from it's master anymore.. I love Madara I do and truthfully speaking he does have more visible feats compared to Azien but Quantity does NOT equal Quality. The feats that Aizen has shown, few they may be, are far beyond in scale compared to anything Madara has demonstrated.
Aizen’s backstory adds more theme to this MU, as they both betrayed their nations due to the political instability affecting the way of a peaceful life. Both would want to attain godly power in order to bring balance to what they perceive as a failed world.
It doesn’t matter who wins, the comments are gonna be salty as hell either way! If Aizen wins the Naruto fans are gonna bring up hax abilities that Madara could have used, if Madara wins the Bleach fans are gonna bring up the argument that Bleach characters are uni to multiversal
@@vivalaglavii6736 the bleach uni/ multiversal feats revolve around bleach's cosmology and realms/space-times , if you take the hellverse movie in context it's pretty consistent , after all there's a difference between an attack that can scale the universe (universal range) and an attack that has the attack potency to destroy a universe (likea ichigo's cero in hellverse which blow all of hell , which has enough space to house the souls of the damned from the past, present and future), anyways the bleach manga is coming back with a "canon" hell arc so... we'll just have to wait and see Bleach is at the very least Solar-system level since Las Noches by itself has a star inside of it, and ulquiorra and vasto lorde ichigo were gonna destroy the whole thing if they didn't go to the roof.
I mean they weren't accurate for Beyond vs 2099, Nightwing vs Daredevil, Scorpion vs Ryu, Hulk vs Broly, Crona vs Venom, Lucy vs Carnage, or Gaara vs Toph so....
A way to improve for future videos is to try to have the guests not talk over each other. That made it really hard to understand when people are interrupting each other and derailing the subject.
If Aizen has the Hogyoku, he wins. He literally can't be killed by any means has has to be sealed away, which even then I feel wouldn't be easy. His soul can't be ripped out because he is a soul, so the only option is sealing him. There's also no way to get rid of the Hogyoku or remove it's powers from Aizen. Maybe if Madara can use Reaper Death Seal, since we don't know any other sealing Jutsu he might know, but in that case it's a tie.
@Xbox One I said if he had it he wins. I never said he didn't have it. I basically said that Madara could only beat the Aizen that didn't have the Hogyoku. Of course now that I've see the Death Battle this only confirms the fact that they have a heavy bias and don't know what the hell they're talking about.
This is a stretch, but bare with me. You could in theory argue that Infinite Tsukuyomi may not work on Aizen given it didn’t work on the Edo Tensei, which are souls trapped in reanimated bodies and Aizen is a soul.
Another thing is that in TYBW Kyoka Suigetsu might not even have an activation condition anymore. Since, while mostly-sealed in Muken, Aizen managed to warp Yhwach's perception of time without the latter even realizing the former activated the ability. And since that was the first time Aizen met Yhwach then he must have met the activation requirements of Kyoka Suigetsu then and there. At worst the condition is now to just be looking at Aizen when he decides he wants you to be subject to its ability. Which is the kind of BS Naruto characters wish they could have as a genjustu activation condition.
@@therupz Shisui has the same ability as Aizen except nerfed terribly. That is "Perfect Hypnosis". That's stronger than anything Madara has used. Like fuse Infinite Tsukuyomi with Kotoamatsukami. Ultimate Hypnosis WITH Range. That makes Kyoka Suigetsu. Where Infinite Tsukuyomi lacks in power & Kotoamatsukami lacks in range & usage.
@@mythiczed_3643 Aizen has complete hypnosis which controls all five senses but Madara upscales from characters who can create entire illusionary universes. This doesn’t translate to AP but his illusions are stupid powerful. Also infinite Tsukuyomi is just Tsukuyomi but with range. The moon just amped the range and Madara can use regular Tsukuyomi up close with the same level of power. An there is nothing saying that regular Tsukuyomi won’t work unlike the infinite Tsukuyomi. Plus Aizen doesn’t have mind Hax resistance, he just adapts to mind Hax.
You ask what ive been doing while listening to this... Simply put i was playing animal crossing. Redecorating my island from the ground up. And so far its doing good thanks for helping me pass the time :3
There is one problem I kind of have with this is Aizen's Shikai was never stated to be anything like a genjutsu or anything like that, they say it's literally perfect hypnosis which if you look up what hypnosis actually is it's changing someone's entire perspective and making them believe it's true or for the exact definition: "the induction of a state of consciousness in which a person apparently loses the power of voluntary action and is highly responsive to suggestion or direction. Its use in therapy, typically to recover suppressed memories or to allow modification of behavior by suggestion, has been revived but is still controversial." which using what Aizen says and facts from how people reacted within the show, there's really no difference from reality when he uses the blade as we see in the Aizen fight in the fake town where no one other than Ichigo realizes that they're actually stabbing MoMo, I don't think it's necessarily a spiritual pressure thing or chalkra thing, I believe that's just the passive ability of his sword like how Shinji has a mist released from his blade that put's you in the inverted world except on steroids where you only need to see him release his blade which he can seemingly do without any indication, the only problem I really had with the video tbh though everything else was solid just wanted to say my peace and be pushed to comment hell. (Also side note, if Aizen's ability is like Shinji's then no one can really out hack the Hypnosis like we've seen with Soi Fon's one hit KO ability with just being too strong)
Also Just to add onto this, Aizen has shown better feats of coming back other than Mugestu with Gin's poison blade that literally made him lose half of his body in an instant where Gin Basically said his body would continue to disintegrate from the poison left from his blade but obviously didn't happen and survived from probably one of the most lethal hacks in Bleach.
To be fair to Madara, if what you say is true then it works exactly like Kotoamatsukami. Infinite Tsukuyomi (a stronger genjutsu) is something that Madara is passively immune to as a Rinnegan user. Though I'm not sure he can kill Aizen.
@@AnimeIsArt21 I have no idea to be honest. If I'm being blunt I don't know (or care) who wins. I just don't think Kyouka Suigetsu's hypnosis will work on Madara. I'm making no claims.
@@hadouradiance3566 you don't have to take my word BUT I will say Aizens shikai worked on Ywatch, and his 100× stronger than Madara. Like if Ywatch is litreally God who can see all futures and change them and Aizens shikai still screwed with his perception than Madara is fucked
Somehting I am curious about now b/c crossover shit is one of my jams. If Madara and Aizen were to interact as characters, like compare philosophies, how would they interact? Villain interactions are interesting because of the philosophical debates they could have.
My favorite part of the video is how the thumbnail slowly fades away to show what appears to be Dante (Cyber) explains Bleach cosmology while Nemesis has an existential crisis
Holy fuck, do you understand how broken Kyoka Suigetsu actually is? Because it seems like you completely glossed over it and just decided to compare them head to head. The moment Madara looks at Aizen he's already under his spell. Aizen can literally sit back and sip tea while Madara fights air for as long as Aizen wants him to. Then, at Aizen's leisure, he can simply drop in and launch a lethal attack when Madara's guard is down. If it fails? Aizen can just retreat, set up another illusion, and have Madara continue to fight. Madara would have no idea that he would be under any sort of control because KS's type of hypnosis doesn't exist in Naruto. Aizen can essentially get Madara to exhaust himself for an endless amount of time while also learning and analyzing his abilities. And if Madara really just lets all hell loose and rains devastation all around him (something he would have no reason to do unless suspecting Aizen's ability), Aizen can just leave through the Garganta and return to finish the job whenever he wants. I know it sounds difficult, but people would take you more seriously if you actually bothered paying attention to hax instead of going "well uh Madara has more abilities than Aizen so Madara wins, right?"
Kyoka=basic genjutsu, Madara is stronger and faster, has the superior mind hax/mind hax resistances, one shots him with IT, Izanami, TSOs(void manipulation based existence erasure), or Limbo clones(has no way of bypassing them let alone touching Madara in the first place) It’s Ok to admit bleach tards that Bleach characters just aren’t as strong or Op as you guys make them out to be( even Seth&Clyde had them being pretty relative with Madara being a bit stronger and Aizen winning due to the Hogyoku, which i disagreed with obviously, but the point is, it’s Ok if people don’t think that Aizen is beating Madara, it ain’t gonna affect ur everyday real life, is it🤔
@@ousmanjallow7866 lmao no, kyoka activates immediately the moment Aizen is looked at, lasts forever, and allows for complete sensory manipulation. Genjutsu dispersal wouldn't work. Aizen has multiplanetary scaling due to actively battling Yhwach while Madara is repeatedly stated to be not nearly as strong as Kaguya, Madara scales to light speed while Aizen is massively FTL, genjutsu can be broken by reiatsu flex or by the Hogyoku since we're verse equalizing, the Infinite Tsukuyomi is shown not to work on spirits such as the Edo Tenseis, Madara has never shown the ability to use Izanami, and if he could, it would only work if Aizen was legitimately doubting his purpose, which he would not for the sake of this battle. The TSO nullify jutsu and multiple characters have been directly hit by them without being instantly killed. Even if we were to say that they did damage souls, all damage in Bleach is soul-based anyways, so it doesn't matter, and in addition Aizen has repeatedly tanked disintegration or destruction and recovered from it perfectly every time, there's no reason why the limbo clones wouldn't be affected by kyoka suigetsu as well, and there's no reason to suspect aizen would be unable to see them due to his extraordinary perception working even when he was in the Muken.
I hope the post fight analysis is just wiz going all "IS THERE ANYONE WHO CAN EVEN TOUCH MADARA" and just for boomstick to reply with, "yes there is" and then they just cut to "the winner is aizen", no calcs or reasons just that. (And then it turns out the whole post fight analysis was an illusion)
Yeah, cause Madara wins. Idk what these jumps in logic are. "Madara large planet+/ Aizen 3x planet level" Using what? Aizen did worst against Ywach then Ichigo. So no he can not be scaled to Ichigo, let alone Ywach. So he isn't even in the planet range, you'd have to accept Bleach characters beyond Ywach and the Soul King as planetary to begin with. People forget the soul king in crystasis had his power removed. Ichigo is not capable of killing Prime Reio. If Ichigo was at the scale of Ywach based on Bleach laws, he himself would've been fine if Ywach changed the structure of the universe. Ywach wouldn't have been capable of breaking his bankai, nor his horn. That's Bleach universe laws shutting that BS down. Idk what fight Bleach fans read. And Shunsui saying Ichigo would've became the new soul king is an unquantifiable statement. It is not a statement of power level, because Shunsui never said anything about power. Ichibe also said Ichigo+all his friends could not defeat Ywach. Without him knowing about the assimilation of the Soul King. So the Ywach with just almighty could've beaten Ichigo and all his friends. That's a statement from a in universe god. All that to say Aizen & Ichigo for that matter do not compare/scale to Ywach. Especially Post Soul King assimilation. When he mopped the floor with Ichigo. No argument supersedes the fact he broke Ichigo's bankai. And it needed to be recreated on a completely different time axis, to keep Ywach from doing it again. By laws of the series that means ichigo doesn't scale to him. He was playing with ichigo's shikai without the almighty. So: "Aizen 3x planetary" is a joke. Madara Large Planet+ is a huge lowball. Toneri was going to destroy the earth with Bijuu Naruto's chakra. Six Paths is atleast a 6 times multiplier(low end). It took 100+ ninja to blow up the moon, in universe calc. Naruto gave chakra to bare minimum 1000 in the war. That's enough chakra to destroy the moon 9 times over. So it's Toneri's claim is consistent when we consider: Naruto fought Juubito for almost 12 hours, post gifting the chakra. And now he had both Kurama halfs. So during the war in Bijuu Mode Naruto was planetary. When he came back in 6 paths he shot well above that range. There was even a publication saying Bijuu Mode is planetary. It actually said with ease. But I don't agree with that. That seems like a far stretch. But it adds validity to the already stacking evidence. And we haven't even begun to talk about Juubidara. Who scales above both 6 paths Naruto and Sasuke, heavily. With the propensity for their skillsets. After he absorbed the tree he was about 4/10, the monster Kaguya was. Kaguya has been confirmed over the years to be star level(low end). This is why some threads and forums agree. If Naruto and Sasuke are Multi-Planet. Madara and Kaguya are definitely Solar System level. And those are low end calcs, because people choose to ignore way the anime presents Ootsusuki dimensions. Where they have countless stars and solar systems. Which is fine until you realize the Boruto novel said Momoshiki can absorb chakra from across and beyond these vast expanses. (www.google.com/search?q=momoshiki+dimension&sxsrf=AOaemvIJ57XkvXp2sNItsmXkQ7833Xwpfg:1637625259562&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=SLb2xD4Qz0lOKM%252CH_V730QTWBF5KM%252C_%253BRoytY18sqEsdiM%252CKaibeBVhSI_uPM%252C_%253B0yMtpCaXFr7PrM%252CZwuM19GUK88QhM%252C_%253BtKmsWSd2oaWfIM%252CrEHwUivBCMx-HM%252C_%253Br6dDpAaMmzpwtM%252CEZLpTw0EEvDmKM%252C_%253ByW3j2dtl5C4U_M%252CU2XLjqgyvISNXM%252C_%253B8xVhlERtECnHxM%252COYEs69BHIGvkRM%252C_%253BOuAQG8xjL8HIWM%252CKaibeBVhSI_uPM%252C_%253BUaaVydjFK3421M%252CrEHwUivBCMx-HM%252C_%253B7IjawIi5rXsSiM%252CL0MYGmiEnoXAWM%252C_%253BOUO-pH55l7lvJM%252CB-W5rnprXf2Y3M%252C_%253B_WnrfKAVtWoCaM%252C_jlRUxg_UJDmxM%252C_%253BqpQovLhBsOaLjM%252CrZR9tozfve7gEM%252C_%253BRxzRzpFqjfCLSM%252Cz6kwitvWjC-p2M%252C_%253B1sj0G1xE9hCJhM%252CrEHwUivBCMx-HM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kTvBRY0ugEWLzy6r4UmbsHIqg5tNw&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwihzvu-la30AhW_g_0HHa3fBdgQ9QF6BAgCEAE#imgrc=SLb2xD4Qz0lOKM) In short. 1. Character takes alot of false equivalence. 2. The other stuck between multi-planet+ and an unspecifiable range. Hell they said in Boruto 6 months ago. The Ootsusuki are trying to become universal. If a few god fruit can make them universal, 1 absolutely has to be Solar System-low end.
Kyoka Suigetsu manipulated ALMIGHTY YHWACH. How are you guys downplaying it so much. Here is my bleach realm stuff: Gremmy's Galaxy room. You have two ways to interpret this, neither is good for your argument: 1) Gremmy himself creates the entirety of the Galaxy Room. This would place people like Kenpachi at galaxy range given even Gremmy couldn't imagine a body strong enough to hold his power. 2) Gremmy ripped a hole in space. Meaning the stars and galaxy we see are either contained in the Soul Society or The World of the Living. One of the Relams has to contain those stars and galaxies, meaning the realms collapse would include the galaxy stuff we saw.
NLF, Madara still one shots the overhyped and overrated fodder hill buster, via IT, Izanami, TSOs(void manipulation based existence erasure), or Limbo clones(can’t even touch the real Madara; he’s screwed) And he did win the Death Battle, as he should. I and most people in the powerscaling community doesn’t buy y’all wanking of bleach characters cuz they’re always just horrendous arguments over and over again, wanking the verse isn’t gonna change most people’s view’s on how strong the verse actually is🥱👺
Hey, Nemesis. Yeah, you! I saw you in the Fog of Lost Souls! What did you do to make me notice your silhouette alongside Ben Tennyson, Sonic the Hedgehog, Ken, Goku Black, Batman, Ace and Jotaro's silhouettes in Korra VS Storm?
@Adrian Banks Jotaro's, Batman's and Goku Black's are more harder to see. If you look at the left side of the screen real carefully, you can see Jotaro's silhouette do the iconic 'Yare Yare' pose with his hat.
Realistically Aizen wins, but given how they low balled ichigo, I’m gonna go with madara My biggest questions are will they add six paths madara and butterfly aizen since technically both need outside help of achieving those forms, and how would kyoka suigestu work on madara since it effect all senses and knowing aizen’s unpredictability he’ll manage to get it off, but can the sharingan break through the visual hypnosis or not If i had to predict the deaths. For aizen he’d be charging a black coffin but madara breaks out and uses wood style to trap him in place and drop a meteor on him For madara aizen’s gonna f&ck with his head and everything to either cut off his head or actually kill him with a black coffin calling the track to be called great spiritual war
Aizen didnt really need outside Help as long as he adapts to his opponents those forms Will normally be reached the same way hyougyoko always brings him back.
They nerfed him to multi continental. Bleach speed scaling is ass. Its a struggle to get them above ftl. Spiritual light=/=lightspeed. Also uni scales a massive outliers when there more consistantly multi cont to planet. Madara as a edo can react to the heavanly light transfer, which is stated lightspeed. Madara just blitzes
I predict that they fail to do any accurate research for aizen, just like they did ichigo, downplay him, somehow make Madara immune to his hypnosis (even though if you have eyes you literally can't counter it, Yhwhach is BEYOND OMNIPOTENT and could see the outcomes of literally EVERY timeline in the bleach multiverse, and was STILL hypnotized,) ignore his abilities to bend reality, and ignore any other meaningful feats, because they've already shown blatant unfair favoritism to naruto characters before, and "UMMM UMMM it'd take too long to research, UMMM UMM MADARA ARMOR COOL, HE WIN!!" they didn't properly research metal sonic, they never properly researched goku, they didn't properly research ichigo, the list goes on and on and on. Whoever they like more wins, it NEVER changes. Edit: Aizen easily overpowers madara as he scales to Manga ichigo whose bare minimum multi solar system level, Madara has quite literally no arguments besides wanking that puts him above moon-planet.
To be fair almost all power scalers never take into account most the anti-feats. That's how they can take cherry picked Superman feats and ignore all the times he got his face punched by enemies moving far less then the speed of light. I think the fact that Aizen could stand his ground against Yhwhach says almost more then any quoted feat he has in the series. There is no world in which Madara lasts 10 seconds against Yhwhach.
@@MWMTEE depends on the writer. Sometimes he is much faster and sometimes he is far far far slower. The truth is the Superman writers don't give a crap about consistently writing the charecters powers so they don't give time to thinking about what the numbers they put out actually mean. So the result is that sometimes Superman just inexplicably becomes slower or weaker so that the enemy seems strong even if it doesn't make sense.
@@MWMTEE ok sure yeah. So he just lets enemies punch him instead of stepping slightly out of the way... Out of pity? Or he just lets everyone else who can't move as fast as him be in extreme danger because... They can just fend for themselves? Or maybe he is holding back when he is racing to show up somewhere but it takes more then a second, even though previously he traveled across the universe in seconds. The writers are just inconsistent, unless you think Superman is a kind of psychopath who let's a lot of horrible things happen around him because he is holding back from being able to easily solve all problems that are moving at light speed or below. What an absurd argument.
I disliked the video, you guys are completely biased against Bleach. The host of the video literally admits he hates Bleach and anytime you even try to suggest Aizen's higher tier stats you can audibly hear him becoming frustrated. Even the guy who claims he loves Bleach and is a Bleach expert is nothing but an expert Bleach downplayer. He literally looks for every single way he can nerf Aizen while he is analyzing his stats while you guys do the exact opposite for Madara. The fact that you guys have to try so hard to downplay Aizen down to madara's level, while trying so hard to boost madara just proves to me that Aizen one-shots. If any of you guys want to debate just let me know. All the techniques you listed of Aizen were mostly legit but the actual stats and powerlevels you gave for Bleachverse was all complete misinformation and I could easily prove it with the Canon sources. Your scaling in this video was just as bad as Screw Attack's Naruto vs Ichigo death battle and is what is actually causing the frustration among all of the fans. We just want an honest scaling and research regardless of the outcome. This here is dishonest.
@@mclovin5109 In any other anime, when a character is stated to be able to destroy the universe, the character is immediately made universal in dc. In Bleach, the character is stated to be able to destroy the universe. These Guys: nah, I don't buy it.
@@magnaz26 its called logic madaras susano is said to be desteoy anything in the universe but naruto fans arnt dumb and say madaras susasno is universal lol
@@MWMTEE when they say that it means that his sussanno is superior to anything that's been shown at that point in the series Bleach being Uni is probably especially given we haven't even seen the full size of the verse yet
“ remember when Madara controlled the weather ?” Me : remember when Hado 90 creates the same situation as a Black hole that got smacked away bare handed ? Remember when Aizen held off the quantum manipulating Yhwach? No disrespect to Madara but Aizen fought MUCH worse then him
Still thinking Hado 90 being a black hole, bleach wankers plz never stop y’all delusions, Madara still one shots the overhyped and overrated fodder hill buster
Mayuri stated, that nothing in Soul Society were able to kill Aizen.This includes Yamamoto's bankai. In other words, Madara can't kill Aizen. Sure, he can seal him or put him into infinity tsukyuyomi, but he is unable to kill him. Madara need to destroy the soul to stop Aizen's Regenerationn. Destroying the body doesn't stop Reiatsu. The body is the Konpaku and Konpaku have the actual soul in them; Aizen is already a spirit based being, his soul itself is what regenerates. Truth seeking bomb only destroys Aizen spirutual body not soul that is inside.
Truth Seeking Bombs have never destroyed a Planetary threat and TYBW Aizen is Large Planet via fighting Yhwach alongside Ichigo Aizen still wins but just thought to mention that
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Same, don’t know a lot about either since I don’t watch anime, but who do you thinks winning this, I’m leaning towards azien, but I understand if madara wins.
@@unitedgibberish4479 If I remember correctly only a few genjutsu don't rely on manipulating the chakra of the opponent. Chakra is also something not naturally occurring in humans but was brought to their world. I don't think most Genjutsu will even effect Azien. Meanwhile I can't think of anyone who has been able to resist Azien's hypnosis aside from a god who could create and collapse possible realities and even then it did seem to be doing some work.
There are 2 things I disagree with you in this debate : 1. Just like how you claim Aizen cannot one shot Madara , neither can Madara one shot Aizen because of the Hougyoku's absurd regenerative abilities which have allowed Aizen to survive literally getting cut and split right down the middle by Mugetsu and getting several holes blasted through his torso by both Gin ( before the fight with Ichigo ) and Yhwatch ( at the end of the story ) and every time - before and during his fight with Ichigo - gave Aizen another , more powerfull transformation 2. Aizen's perfect hypnosis literally rewires the target's brain ( just like Madara's Rinengan mental hacks ) and senses so the target sees , hears , smells , tastes and feels anything that Aizen wants them to
@@superthorc6894 fr as someone who knows both sides Id say Madara fans are overhyping this by acting as If its a "close match" TYBW feats simply put aizen leagues above Madara let Alone the fact that this battle realistically would end the moment Madara looks at him period.
Although I watched the hax portion I think I missed whether or not genjutsu would work on Aizen considering the zombie hokage were stated not affected by genjutsu despite having their 5 senses, Chakra, and physical bodies. Can someone clear that up for me? Also did anyone bring up that ichigo in the soul society arc while injured (I say this because he had bandages) casually blocked the sokyoku which was stated to be strong enough to destroy the soul society and he then destroyed the execution post which was made to endure the execution of whoever was there that instantly gives early bleach country to maybe planet if you wank attack potency and durability. Ichigo was stated right after the soul society arc by the leader of the vizards to have enough power that his spiritual pressure was affecting the entire planet. Also cero are stated as "spiritual light" so wouldn't that make substitute soul reaper arc ichigo relativistic to ftl since he blocked the menos cero *after* it was fired? And then you scale ichigo's progress while stacking the bankai multipliers to get base aizens speed at possibly mftl. I ask all these questions just to have a better understanding of the fight and in case I missed this stuff.
Aizen has a lot of weaknesses over confident he goes way to easy on his opponent’s and does not really try that hard in the beginning when he fights his last weakness is that he does have some anger issues and if he does not get what he wants he kills just like he did to a specific person in bleach and he also can not stand being outsmarted when that happens he goes in a blind range and can’t control how he feels mad goes in to new forms to make him self stronger !!!
And madara lacks some weaknesses 1 of them is cocky he is kinda rubs it in that he is unstoppable and he has one of the biggest egos because he thinks he is unstoppable. Madara other 2 weakness is power he. Uses to much and that kinda drains him of his chakra if he uses way to much power at once. But when is dead is chakra is unlimited it just kinda depends and finally his biggest flaw is trust the only person he ever trusted was obito. But he did not want to use his deception on other ninjas he only did it once. Madara thinks that he is so powerful that he does not need anyone but himself so this that accurate and if that is true why did he mold obito in to a villain and turn him in to the substitute of madara ???
But they both show a lot of potential and a lot of power aizen may be smarter. But madara is more on his feet he thinks when something is Thrown at him he always thinks of good possibilities
@@questionking2340 And madara has those very same weaknesses of being overconfident and getting angry and he literally lets people like Might Guy attack him with his full strength despite knowing it could kill him. The rest of your comments is broken English that I can't understand so I won't even bother assuming.
Half Kurama has planetary statements, not impressive at all, Madara still one shots the overhyped and overrated fodder hill buster, stronger and faster, has superior mind hax/mind hax resistances, IT, Izanami, TSOs(void manipulation based existence erasure), or Limbo clones, kyoka=basic genjutsu in naruto. For the salty bleach tards, go cry me tears in the corner or to ur Daddy’s Seth, Clyde, Chuck, or Bleach hub, it ain’t stopping Madara still demolishing this fodder tho😥🥱🤣👺
He's in jail (for probably an eternity cuz attempted murder from what I've heard) so he wont be crying as he won't even know about this DB happening at all
Ah, but that is the plan. Now that they know his plan, they will plan around that plan. So now I shall plan around the plan that they are planning around that plan.
Vasto Lorde is superior to Ulquiorra one of the strongest Espada who are Multi Cont at their peak Yamaji's bankai is Planetary in kinetic energy however since it evaporated all the moisture in SS which is stated to be a planet, possibly even larger than earth since it has to be ever-growing to be able to contain the millions to billions, possibly even trillions of people that will die and go there in the fore-seeable future So Yama probably wins tbh
How physical are souls in Bleach? How physical are Soul Society and Hueco Mundo? Considering that everything is made of Reishi and thus possibly subject to different laws of physics, can we really use any calcs unless it's performed in the world of the living?
When a sinner mortal in bleach die, their soul will become hollow and if hollow die, their reishii properties will go to hell. If a non-sinner die, they will go to soul society(Heaven) where everything is made of reishii and if their soul die, their reishii will become one with soul society(Basically if soul die it will become fertillizer to soul society) BUT if reishii is too thick like reishii of those who are above captain level(Basically a sin for being so strong) their reishii will contaminate soul society so it needs to send to hell like yamamoto, unohana, Aizen, and kenpachi. If those captain die, their body will send to hell via ritual. While Quincy who are cheap imitation of reaper, everything they kill will remove to cycle of reincarnation, and ones a quincy die, they will return to their father(Yhwach). So Mortal/Human sinner -> hollow -> Hell. Mortal/Human saint -> Heaven/(Possibly become reaper) *IF become too strong above captain level -> Hell. Quincy(Everything they kill will be gone, no reincarnation) *Once Quincy die, they return to Yhwach(Which is now thw soul king object that holds bleach verse).
@@leandroandong7400 Thank you for the lore, but that was not what I was asking. We know that souls are affected by gravity (For example) in all three realms, but if a Soul Reaper stood on a scale in the realm of the Living, would it be able to register them? Do the physical rules of momentum and inertia apply to them? We know that hollows can get hit by physical objects (telephone pole from Chad), supposedly normal people can't touch them, but we do know that they interact with the physical world and matter (first episode hollow footprint, soul Ichigo kicks up dust climbing shattered shaft). Do souls need as much energy to move physical matter as if a bodied and living human were to try and move it, or is it more or less energy? In Soul Society, everything is made of Reishi in different densities, and the energy to move or destroy something depends on that density. Does it take the same amount of energy to destroy an equal amount of SS ground as it would a World of Living ground?
@@cioplasmmajic8327 in soul society and hueco mundo, the equivalent of matter is reishii. Souls are not much affected by PHYSICAL matter(energy) like how walking in the air or breaking the fabric of space(Living world) is common for them. But that doesn't mean there is no way for creatures in living world to interact with this soul just like fullbring(Who just happened to have a fragment of soul king). So yes they are affected by Physical matter IF combined with spirit properties the same way how fullbring can manipulate physical matter(Inanimate) via soul bending. However, Reishii is much superior to physical matter like how soul reaper, hollow, and quincy can produce and manipulate phenomenon. So shooting a reaper/hollow a normal arrow won't have any effect but coating that arrow with spirit thing/reishii yes you can damage those soul being.
I think you miss interpret the madara genjutsu situation, when people say its out of character for him to use it they are referring to madara starting a fight with it since he has never done so at all not only that he likes to enjoy fights which is another factor as to why he doesn't uses it often
Another thing Sasuke was able to affect danzo with genjutsu who has MULTIPLE SHARINGAN including a mangekyo not only that aizen can drag the limbo clones out of the limbo dimension the same way shinji dragged aizen from a different dimension that acts like the limbo dimesion (it lets you see and interact with things outside said dimension)
@@moisesmartinezmorales5885 Madara one shots the overhyped and overrated fodder hill buster, has the superior mind hax/mind hax resistances, IT, Izanami, TSOs,(void manipulation based existence erasure), or Limbo clones(he has no way of bypassing them let alone touching the real Madara himself; he’s screwed). Oh, and kyoka=basic genjutsu in naruto Now, go cry in the corner or to ur Daddy’s Seth, Clyde, Chuck, or Bleach hub if you want that is
Aizen wins. Madara can't kill Aizen due to the insane healing from hogyoku so he has to seal him up, which unfortunately involves Madara looking at Aizen which will activate complete hypnosis. Aizen's inability to die combined with complete hypnosis and superior speed means that Aizen just has everything he needs to win
@@zephyromega3077 actually he doesn't, the Naruto lore states that sharigun users resist PHYSICAL Illusions, but the complete hypnosis is sensory not physical so there's no evidence that Madara resist. And no Madara isn't faster. his Max speed was only capable of keeping up with Naruto who is slower than Ichigo, the same Ichigo that blitzed Aizen only to have Aizen catch his attack making Aizen faster than Ichigo who's faster than Naruto who's equal to speed with Madara
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I think Aizen should take this, I don't think Madaras genjutsu will be effective against Aizen and his hogyoku would give him way to many options to counter. I don't watch these videos and just take peoples word for them so my bet is Aizen.
@@government1476 not only that the Hogyoku is able to give the user his deepest desire, it can literally adapt and counter whatever Madara throws at him, you can power out of Genjutsu if you are strong enough and the Hogyoku will make you strong enough
@@johnslade9751 also, and going by most people's rules that spiritual pressure is equal to chakra or whatever just for the sake of balancing it out, doesnt this mean if aizen's pressure is high enough he should be able to cancel out madara's techniques with so on as he stated havent watched naruto so i have no clue but this just came to mind as deathbattle usually says 2 things that are extremely similar often work the same as the other/cancel eachother out
He can also just use that one Kido Techniqhe Shinji used in the Pendulum arc to unveil the invisible barrier Aizen hid himself in when he was a *Lieutenant* class soul reaper He could use that to find and then body the Limbo Clones and then Madara
@@Powxrr Probably but I do want to point out he can make himself intangible and just go into the Kamui dimension and use the Demon King to fully heal himself. Also it just takes 1 good blow to the chest for Vader to go down. Obito is never landing that hit though.
@@auraemerald8434 he can only go intangible if he is able to react to the attack coming. If Vader is faster then obito can’t kamui himself into the dimension
please keep in mind that i havent watched naruto so take my opinion with a grain of salt but as deathbattle usually goes, doesn't things that are similar is some way usually play the same role/cancel eachother out (in this case spiritual pressure and chakra) and in case with barragan and soi fon, if we are to say chakra substitutes as spiritual pressure and vice versa, would aizen not have a possibility of flat out cancelling madara's techniques etc? again, no clue about most things naruto so please do correct me if im wrong
It's moreso when one ability directly counters the other or they both have the same ability that they cancel each other out that Death Battle uses that argument, Examples would be: One character controls fire but the other has the ability to put out fire, or both characters have time stop so they cancel each other out from a debate standpoint (Which is not always true for the time stop thing but Death Battle is usually a little more lenient/broad with what they allow to cancel each other in that regard.) With chakra and spiritual pressure, they're essentially inner power sources that work as mana bars to use abilities that range from pretty much physical level attacks to hax, the only way they would cancel each other in a "they're close in power" kind of way is if they worked like Dragon Ball where your durability using one was equal or higher than the physical power of the person attacking using the other. Unless you were talking about something else, in which case, I'm dumb
@@MinatotheGreenLantern yeah but what their saying is DB is going to equalize them, otherwise you have "lol gg spiritual crush" or "genjutsu GG ez" since suddenly your character can't resist the others most BS hax.
Aizen gonna wipe the floor with mardura once it's all said and done just as death battle apologized on Twitter or Twitch about naruto vs ichigo because they didn't understand the bleach content. Bleach is by far more powerful than most people think and could solo most of naruto verse.
(Update Continued By Edit Below) (Please Read All If You Read At All) (Feel Free To Reply Your Thoughts) Was just reccomended this. My bet is on Aizen, and I'm as of now confident in that. I have not watched this yet, so I can not say anything for now but I was told to give extensive attention to everything so I'll go into this with an open mind ready to learn all over again. Thanks in advance for your hard work & I hope I'll enjoy this & come out with some new insight. (I'll Edit This Post After I Finish & I'll Tell What I've Learned Then We'll See If My Expectations Have Changed) Edit: I learned You guys are nerds for character lore. Beyond that, you guys all served time to dedicate lots to this video. I learned a few key details that I think I've misjudged based on size of certain attacks, certain areas, or just pure power scale. Tho I also feel I've mostly understood each character & their respective worlds. (Meaning I've Watched The Anime & Read The Manga but also I've Read & Watched Key Moments Countless Times) I'm not one for the understanding of potency breakdown but most my understanding comes from size, intention, and speed of destruction. I have learned that I have over calculated both characters but not by much. I have learned ALOT about the Bleach-Verse but again I'll say I didn't learn much about either character themselves. Regarding Naruto-Verse, I've actually done a bit more research for the series than for Bleach, I feel it's more dense & creative. I do like Bleach more btw. Now onto the feats,,,, I didn't learn too many new things but I did change perspective on a couple if values. -Madara is actually stronger than I had remembered, but I over estimated some of his abilities. (I had believed before this video that Madara was actually 'physically' stronger than Aizen) I think things were overlooked for both but there were things underlayed for Aizen probably because not everyone here had equal understanding, some sayings were overplayed & underlayed for the sake of agreement. Wasn't too big an issue tho. Madara I don't think is as overwhelming as he's depicted simply because I think lore plays power in his story. -Aizen,,, I don't think he was depicted the best in this simply because there weren't enough feats played out for his minions. Also I do believe Aizen was stronger than Ichigo ever step of the way. I don't think there is really much for me to say at all. -hax now.. both characters are legit OP😂 I think Hogyouku by all means gain the Victory. Aizen having already been put under so many nerfs & torn in 2 twice, still later grew stronger during & after each event. Any "soul" abilities, destruction to the soul or stealing it does not work on the Hogyouku which after Aizens defeat he is one with both his Zampakuto & Hogyouku. They can not be separated and they have no weakness. I also believe that with Hogyouku being an ever evolving & self sentient item of thousands of souls, with limitless capabilities while being bonded to Aizen allowing evolution & negation to certain things as proven before and who knows what else as not everything has been used on Aizen. I'm gonna stop here because I really can't say too many things due to some mutual understanding. Will say that while Madara has gravitational pull, moon orbit, meteors & so on, Aizen does have Kido-90,,, a Pseudo-Blackwhole. If Madara can be effected by Aizen at all, his spiritual pressure with Hogyouku is of limitless reiatsu giving Aizen the ability to overpower Madara with it, even of not, than eventually as he "can" evolve continuously. But remember, Aizen can't be killed whatsoever. Uhm, I think I overall seeing as Aizen can survive Yamamoto's bankai, that is hoyyer than the sun, Aizen can fight against Madara's gravity manipulation as HEAT is actually capable of changing Gravitational Formulation. Technically by the phrasing of his Bankai, Yamamoto has a secondary effect with the Gravitational aspect with his own spirit & the heat of the Sun. Get it? At the end, if this is fused Aizen than Aizen wins. If this is previous to the Hogyouku, I think after this video that Madara actually might win! (Another Edit: Madara's clones weren't shown to use jutsu except for in 'game' and seeing that I don't think anything aside fist fighting would do anything to Aizen when it comes to the 'Limbo-Clones' specifically. I don't think it's a matter of upfront strength but who can last the longest. In the end this will be death battle so they can only do 1 of to things. Nerf a character or both, or literally go all out. In the events of nerfing them Aizen would land the biggest flaws in the event of an all out battle Aizen can't die and will only grow stronger by the second leaving Madara to be dealt death as he can actually die & run out of his own spiritual power (chakra.) Aizen has not shown a full length of his abilities as he had been limited by his opponents in certain aspects, like Mayuri & the Hogyouku itself also played a part before the time skip. Madara has went all out tho he never utilized his abilities to their max, unfortunately. Also! If we're going by EOS, that means Immortal Aizen vs Dead Madara🤭
I have issues with a lot of the scaling here. (anything i don't mention i think is fine) 9:24 not only is this statement supper inconsistent with scaling, for example, the light fang(an attack that should actually be lightspeed, as it is consistent) was able to touch Naruto's tsb before he was able to dodge. This means Naruto wasn't far faster than light speed at the time or he would be able to immediately move out of the way. This variation of Naruto makes the raikage look like a kid in terms of speed as he effortlessly blitzed him in kcm. (No amount of mental amp nonsense to unjustify the feat for kcm naruto doesn't disprove that a stronger Naruto with a mental amp still got his cheeks clapped by juubito who is far weaker than JuubiDara. 8th gate guy's final attack was only started to reach beyond the law of relativity, so the far inferior raikage is definitely nowhere close to that.) 12:09 That's probably not the case with Madara. Kabuto made his edo specifically stronger than others as well as the variety of amps Madara had as an edo from hashirama cells to rinnegan and etc. Even if it was weaker you have no way to quantify how much weaker it was, as it's clear the edo nerf is not stagnent between the various. (Tobirama even said that their edos were "almost as powerful" as their alive selves and Orochimaru's was far worse at the time.) 13:24 Kisame was compared to a bijuu in chakra. Deidara only "beat" gaara because of his need to protect suna and he oneshot a 3 tails outside of a jinchuriki which is far weaker. Also i have no idea where your idea that the 5 kage are stronger than most of the akatsuki, as it's actually implied to be the opposite. Kisame was able to dog on Bee who was able to beat the raikage IN BASE in the war. The raikage needed a sneak attack to beat Bee. Bee saying the raikage was now using his full power was just saying he was now using it against Naruto as before hand he was only using V1. while against bee he was clearly V1. Ohnoki is only Deidara level which we saw in the war and gaara is weaker than the raikage. Tsunade scales to Jiraiya who tbh is probably much weaker than KCM Naruto who Itachi, Kisame, Obito and Pain scale to easily. 14:21 literally them in a jinchuriki. The 3 tails feat for Deidara is a regular bijuu which is far weaker. gaara wasn't in his full bijuu state either so that doesn't apply 15:18 ok? i get using anime is fine but using anime only stuff without backing it up with the manga basically means you're using filler. The same clash happened in the manga yet no level of destruction was shown. Plus it makes no sense for the bijuus to be multi continental with the air pressure of their clashes alone yet be only 400 gigatons at best with the ACTUAL attacks. Doesn't make sense, air pressure is far weaker than an actual attack. 16:39 i mean i don't know why you're comparing an odama rasengan vs a full fledged bijuu bomb but ok. 17:40 Once again a case of lightspeed being inconsistent with far faster characters being able to only barely scuff light speed. Plus, he reacted to them throwing attacks after the tp, not the tp itself. 18:16 yea after charging its energy and expending it all out. It's not something that can just be thrown around. 18:55 Naruto didn't tank it, he survived it but was knocked out of KCM and forced into his base form and was badly beaten. Regardless Madara tanking it is a good feat for him but not really the ten tails at all. 19:26 yea the entirety of the chakra??? like if it shoots out all of its chakra at once yea, but not attacks that are very small pieces of it will be that strong. Also it's a simile. It says it's *like* it's own planet but not that it *is* its own planet. 23:12 Yea another inconsistent calc. If the lightfang was fast enough that it could touch his tsb before naruto even moved to dodge, then he is not that much faster than light. either way idrc/ 25:50 No, he just added his power to his own. Toneri's power was incredibly high, the V-jump guide even stated he was the strongest threat Naruto and crew had fought up till then. 30:00 guys, if you're not gonna bother to pronounce the japanese words correctly, just say the english versions. 37:59 yea so if it expands overtime it can destroy it, but not immediately, so it wouldn't scale. + zetsu even said kaguya was exponentially stronger when she absorbed the chakra to make the tsb. but yea good job pointing that out and not scaling madara to it. Momoshiki even if it was canon, is stronger than Madara by lightyears. 1:17:15 I think Las Noches is much smaller than people say it is. Viewing it from the top in the ulq vs ichigo fight we clearly see that they are visible in relation to a "country sized" structure. 1:21:30 idk why you claim ulq to be in the country tiers then use a feat from a stronger aizen that is only large island. That Aizen > Yama who is bare min. planet level. (Yes planetary, not just life-wiper. Unohana even said Yamamoto would destroy the ENTIRE SS which is obviously far more than just the surface.) 1:23:00 why are you once again scaling air pressure for overall AP? this isn't even a full on attack, literally just the presence of his bankai alone. (Your top scan also provided evidence he's planetary with energy alone as it says "entire soul society" 1:24:31 mach 500 is super cap for Gin's bankai. Not only was he fooling with Ichigo to break his fighting spirit(Ichigo would have no idea how fast he would be, thus could be impressed by it) This is the EXTENSION of his blade, not himself swinging the blade. 1:35:31 I think the strength of Yhwach is being severly downplayed here. We already know that the Soul king was able to create planets and hold them in place to stop them from colliding with each other with sheer force alone, and the zero squad could jump him and rip his legs and arms off. this same 0 squad was single-handedly killed by one of Yhwach's minions except Ichibei who Yhwach dealt with with the almighty pre-soul king. Post-soul king Yhwach is getting his almighty fucked up by aizen's KS which to happen must make them relative as hax doesn't work on people if they're not in the same leauge as them in bleach. 1:36:27 literally how is getting a hole punched in you an anti feat when overall Aizen wasn't really all that affected? he was just testing how the almighty affected yhwach, i doubt he had his guard up 100% (which is shown a lot with aizen) but yea i agree with you on the planetary bleach stuff being way more consistent than the universal stuff.
Yall got to drop the planetary bleach stuff they are way beyond Planetary ppl like Gremmy can create outer space we see stars and it arguably has galaxies in it due to Gremmy calling it galaxy room why call it that if there is no galaxies lol?? You can argue unu
Aww tryna downplay Madara, bad news for you even if I grand stand this point, Madara would still be much faster than Aizen who’ll just be sub rel-sub rel+ at best while Madara would be rel+-light speed-ftl especially 3eyed Madara So yea, Madar still fodderizes the overhyped and overrated fodder hill buster just like every other bleach character🥱😈😂
He can also potentially resist the Eternal Tsukuyomi since it apparently didn't work on the Edo Tensei which are souls that inhabit reanimated bodies and Aizen's a spirit with access to Kisuke's countless gigai which we know since he also had access to and used the Reishi Concealing Cloaks that Kisuke made in the Everything but the Rain mini arc when he was testing Young Isshin's power
Kyoka=basic genjutsu Madara has superior mind hax/mind hax resistances, he one shots with IT, Izanami, TSOs(void manipulation based existence erasure), or Limbo clones
As soon as madara and aizen meet madara would already be under his hypnosis and madara has no way of breaking out he wouldn't even know he's in it thats the point, no-one knows there under it. He puts everyone under kyoka and he'd do it immediately, how would madara know he's under it kyoka is far superior to madaras genjustu....he caught juha in his genjustu who ALL SEEING you guys are tripping
Pretty good analogy, but from someone who watched both series I can tell y’all that aizen wins, but death battle tends to please the fans so madara might win
The war arc in the manga is actually really good it’s just that the anime has completely screwed up the arc before it that is meant to set it up so people think they are gonna mess it up too
Great video but aizen still wins. Kyoka Suigetsu will effect madaras clone even if they exist on a different plain of existence for the fact that aizen used it on shinji first back in the soul society years ago and even when shinji left the sould society back to the living realm he was still under Kyoka Suigetsu even though he’s in a different plain of existence so if madara was hit by Kyoka Suigetsu so would his limbo clones. Also Kyoka Suigetsu can’t be broken out of unless aizen breaks u out of it like with yhwach when he noticed his reality was messed up. And Kyoka Suigetsu effects all 5 senses so let’s say madara sharingan or rinnegan can see past aizens illusion well then his other 4 senses would still be tricked believing something else. It’s a perfect illusion so nothing madara can do to escape.
What. Ok so, shinji got hit by it while he and Aizen were in the same realm, THEN he moved. That doesn't prove that Aizen can kyoka suigetsu someone that's in a different realm then him, just that it doesn't cancel when they travel realms. Not the same thing
@@polarwind1097 If you see it, even for a second, regardless of what plane you're on, you're affected. Now this is compounded by the fact that Aizen as of TYBW has his zanpakuto merged into his body, so now just glancing at Aizen will now place you under Kyoka Suigetsu.
Madara can't even break out of it since it's a hypnotic hax that effects you greatly on a mental level and Madara has only ever broken physical illusions
Madara: i love dancing
Aizen: just as planned
All According to My Dance Moves lol
For those unaware Cyber put himself through a training arc for this very prediction.
Then why is his scaling 2013 level..
@@Freakingbad89 thank you
@@Freakingbad89 damn...
Dude all their scaling is like 2014 level I doubt they'd get on discord and debate star-multi solar Naruto lmao
>”2013-2014 level”
>Brings up cosmic levels most people don’t even buy
>Cyber has argued for and against cosmic Bleach several times but nevermind that “I doubt” is a great indicator that he wouldn’t
Sure guys lmao
The slowly-fading-in imagery of Dante enthusiastically giving a dying, purple-haired Ragna the Bloodedge a lecture on the entirety of Bleach lore, as the video goes on over the hours, gives me so much life.
Yeah, I love that drawing.
I just wish they actually went over the Bleach cosmology as depicted in their drawing lol...
This is gonna be one hell of a match. Both Aizen & Madara have many absurd things to bring to the table, and it could honestly go in either direction based on what you are buying from these 2. I'd prefer an Aizen win, but I can easily see solid arguments from the the Madara camp as well.
Either way, the comments section is gonna be a shitstorm on par with Goku vs Superman, Goku vs Superman 2 and Ben 10 vs Green Lantern. And I am going to love it tbh. It'll make good entertainment
@@majoratwili7312 Oh, absolutely! I’m neutral to both of these characters, so I don’t care who wins. I’ll just grab some popcorn and season it from all the salt that’s gonna be thrown around
@@majoratwili7312 Same with Naruto vs Ichigo.
@@majoratwili7312 Both Aizen and Madara are my favourite villains. Can't wait to see who wins
I forgot, is there anything Madara can do against the Hogyoku. Just wondering since I didn't watch Naruto in a while, but tbh I would prefer if they don't use the Hogyoku and Six Paths Mode but they probably will knowing them.
The amount of effort and content was made into this to make something that fits into a cinematic universe
That’s actually impressive.
Love you guys thanks for the amazing video and Nemesis’s funeral.
They need to mention the goat, Chair-sama. It is one of Aizen’s greatest tools. Chair-sama would solo everyone in the fourth great ninja war.
Except ramen guy
@@therupz This is the real hype battle of Bleach vs Naruto. Forget Ichigo vs Naruto, forget Aizen vs Madara or even Yhwach vs Kaguya, Aizen's chair vs Ramen guy is where it's at!
@@Phantom_of_Black Aizen's chair allows Aizen to prep effectively so I say the chair wins
Yhwach and Kaguya actively tried to avoid Chair Sama and Ramen guy respectively
@@silentjp19 but doesn't Ramen guy have the power of the sage if six bowls?
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...sorry about the length lol
Aizen is just actually immortal and can't die. Madara has to seal him.
Or he can rip his soul out with his rinnegan
@@Powxrr so he'd rip the soul out of the soul reaper which is already a soul? not debating that madara would win but like im pretty sure its the soul thats immortal mate
@@TakiyaTalon ah my mistake it’s been a while since I watched bleach I think I might have missed that somewhere
@@Powxrr no worries the video as a whole is a lot to take in so cant blame you haha
Wish ppl would be specific when they bring up "immortal" that doesn't revolve "can't die by natural casues"
The way you integrated the doodle I did of you having to suffer through the magic of Bleach was priceless lmfao. Thanks again for that and great vid. Gonna be fun to see how much bullshit they cram in the episode itself.
2 things..
1: Kyoka Suigetsu is NOT an Illusion or Illusory type power. it deals with a person's literal perception... it isn't something like Tsukuyoki where Itachi traps his victim in a fake world and makes them feel fake pain that for them feels real, no, Kyoka literally makes people think, see, smell, feel and taste things as if they are the real deal. If you are affected by Tsukuyomi you may figure out that it isn't real and yet you still feel it as if is was in fact being under Tsukuyomi is so obvious that it's an illusion that one could theoretically figure out a way to escape it (even though you would actually need your own Sharingans to do so so it's still almost impossible) but if you're under Kyoka's hypnosis there is literally no way for you to know if what any of your senses are telling you is fake, to you it's all real. Captain level Shinigamis who have seen Aizen's sword over 100 years prior were STILL under it's effect after that same amount of time. Even Yhwach who can literally see the past, present and future simultaneously never figured out he was under Kyoka Suigetu's Hypnosis
so once you fall under KS you're basically fckd and at the end of the main manga Aizen doesn't even need to draw out his sword or even say it's release command. he walks into the room and whoever looks at him is automatically put under KS's hypnosis effect.
and 2: the Hogyoku. let me start by saying that this thing is one of the most bullshit McGuffins in fiction.. oh you can die? well you're immortal now. oh you're weaker than your opponent? no you're not. basically this thing makes it's "Master" (not wielder) achieve literally anything they so desire and not just on the surface level. the ONLY reason Aizen lost to Ichigo is because subconsciously he actually wanted Ichigo to beat him and the Hogyoku knows this even though Aizen himself did not so he lost. now in a battle against an opponent who he literally does has not have a spec of care for there is no way the Hogyoku will let it's master loose... "oh but Madara can just rip it out of his chest so he doesn't have that power anymore" one might say but yeeeaaaah no Gin already did that and it didn't work... like I said the Hogyoku doesn't just work for anyone, it works for an actual "Master" so even if you somehow rip it out of Aizen it will somehow find a way to get back to him and make it so that no one can rip it out from it's master anymore..
I love Madara I do and truthfully speaking he does have more visible feats compared to Azien but Quantity does NOT equal Quality. The feats that Aizen has shown, few they may be, are far beyond in scale compared to anything Madara has demonstrated.
Thank youuuuu
Thank you
Precisely on point
Lots of words to say its genjutsu
@@MWMTEE genjutsu users only break physical illusions
Kyōka Suigetsu is a sensory-based hypnotic hax, so it can work on Madara
Aizen’s backstory adds more theme to this MU, as they both betrayed their nations due to the political instability affecting the way of a peaceful life. Both would want to attain godly power in order to bring balance to what they perceive as a failed world.
Yeah
Aizen didn't fail, he successfully kill the soul king and transcend his power above all characters from bleach.
@@leandroandong7400 I didn’t say that he failed
@@beowchengkan2395 pardon me
Aizens third in bleach for power second for people alive
Both ichigo and juha are leagues above him
I know practically nothing about these two and yet I can already tell it'll be a wild ride predicting the winner
It doesn’t matter who wins, the comments are gonna be salty as hell either way! If Aizen wins the Naruto fans are gonna bring up hax abilities that Madara could have used, if Madara wins the Bleach fans are gonna bring up the argument that Bleach characters are uni to multiversal
@@therupz Since when did Bleach reach uni/multiversal?
@@vivalaglavii6736 it’s just a wank that the Bleach fans go towards if their character loses a vs battle, idk where it came from though
@@vivalaglavii6736 the bleach uni/ multiversal feats revolve around bleach's cosmology and realms/space-times , if you take the hellverse movie in context it's pretty consistent , after all there's a difference between an attack that can scale the universe (universal range) and an attack that has the attack potency to destroy a universe (likea ichigo's cero in hellverse which blow all of hell , which has enough space to house the souls of the damned from the past, present and future), anyways the bleach manga is coming back with a "canon" hell arc so... we'll just have to wait and see
Bleach is at the very least Solar-system level since Las Noches by itself has a star inside of it, and ulquiorra and vasto lorde ichigo were gonna destroy the whole thing if they didn't go to the roof.
@@randomdude1077 No one in bleach universal, it’s just misinterpreting statements and wanking the cosmology, nothing impressive
To be honest, I kinda wanted this fight as a finale.
During any other season it would, but I have a feeling they are saving Galactus vs Unicron as the final episode.
@@seriousspikesam7770 That would also be cool.
We all did
I wonder what next season will be like?
Aizen likely wins in an actual fight, but Death Battle isn't really known for being accurate, so it could go either way.
Yeah
I mean they weren't accurate for Beyond vs 2099, Nightwing vs Daredevil, Scorpion vs Ryu, Hulk vs Broly, Crona vs Venom, Lucy vs Carnage, or Gaara vs Toph so....
He does
@@mclovin5109 they was literally putting Natsu, the guy who can eat fire vs Ace, the man who is fire
Madara destroys this overhyped and overrated fodder hill buster, and he did in Death Battle as he should🤧come cry me salty tears bleach tards
A way to improve for future videos is to try to have the guests not talk over each other. That made it really hard to understand when people are interrupting each other and derailing the subject.
Also normalizing audio levels, some were almost inaudible and then some were deafening
If Aizen has the Hogyoku, he wins. He literally can't be killed by any means has has to be sealed away, which even then I feel wouldn't be easy. His soul can't be ripped out because he is a soul, so the only option is sealing him. There's also no way to get rid of the Hogyoku or remove it's powers from Aizen. Maybe if Madara can use Reaper Death Seal, since we don't know any other sealing Jutsu he might know, but in that case it's a tie.
Same with 10 tails madara
@@MWMTEE not really since 10 Tails doesn't give him ever-growing power
@@edgyhedgy2699 it does. As Madara was fighting Naruto and Sasuke he continually grew stronger.
@Xbox One I said if he had it he wins. I never said he didn't have it. I basically said that Madara could only beat the Aizen that didn't have the Hogyoku. Of course now that I've see the Death Battle this only confirms the fact that they have a heavy bias and don't know what the hell they're talking about.
@@theflyingace611 the gave him Hogyoku but none of its abilities lmfao
Aizen should stop the battle track at some point it won’t feel complete.
Yeah it would be thematic
BASED
This battle will decide who has more black Air Force vibes
Ah a fellow watcher as well
@@kingkaiser95 yes this debate has been ongoing since goku vs superman whoever wins will be declare the strongest and best villain in anime history
Cringe ngl
This is a stretch, but bare with me.
You could in theory argue that Infinite Tsukuyomi may not work on Aizen given it didn’t work on the Edo Tensei, which are souls trapped in reanimated bodies and Aizen is a soul.
The problem with that is that kotoamatsukami effected edo Itachi, and infinite tsukuyomi couldn’t work on edo hokage so it could be a plot hole
Another thing is that in TYBW Kyoka Suigetsu might not even have an activation condition anymore. Since, while mostly-sealed in Muken, Aizen managed to warp Yhwach's perception of time without the latter even realizing the former activated the ability. And since that was the first time Aizen met Yhwach then he must have met the activation requirements of Kyoka Suigetsu then and there. At worst the condition is now to just be looking at Aizen when he decides he wants you to be subject to its ability. Which is the kind of BS Naruto characters wish they could have as a genjustu activation condition.
@@thundrstxrmmusic8642 Kiyoka Suigetsu is "perfect hypnosis". Infinite Tsukuyomi is merely an amped Tsukuyomi by strength & range.
@@therupz Shisui has the same ability as Aizen except nerfed terribly. That is "Perfect Hypnosis". That's stronger than anything Madara has used. Like fuse Infinite Tsukuyomi with Kotoamatsukami. Ultimate Hypnosis WITH Range. That makes Kyoka Suigetsu.
Where Infinite Tsukuyomi lacks in power & Kotoamatsukami lacks in range & usage.
@@mythiczed_3643 Aizen has complete hypnosis which controls all five senses but Madara upscales from characters who can create entire illusionary universes. This doesn’t translate to AP but his illusions are stupid powerful. Also infinite Tsukuyomi is just Tsukuyomi but with range. The moon just amped the range and Madara can use regular Tsukuyomi up close with the same level of power. An there is nothing saying that regular Tsukuyomi won’t work unlike the infinite Tsukuyomi. Plus Aizen doesn’t have mind Hax resistance, he just adapts to mind Hax.
Is it bad that I have watched this over a dozen times. For fun?
Since this is the penultimate episode that mean
Unicron vs galactus is likely for the finales
I hope it’s that mu, but I’m veeery scared DB may have been peer pressured by Goku fans to make Goku VS Superman 3.
The only alt they could do without enraging the entire fan base is Cole Macgrath vs Alex Mercer
They are not doing 2 December episodes I’d bet my UA-cam channel on it. This is the season finale
@@orlandotill4652 bet
@@Hi-re8mt I doubt they'd do that. Though I'd honestly love to see that because I just think it's fun, I doubt they'd do it.
Madara : im powerful and your food
Aizen : you thought you won but just like i planned it was me aizen
You ask what ive been doing while listening to this... Simply put i was playing animal crossing. Redecorating my island from the ground up. And so far its doing good thanks for helping me pass the time :3
There is one problem I kind of have with this is Aizen's Shikai was never stated to be anything like a genjutsu or anything like that, they say it's literally perfect hypnosis which if you look up what hypnosis actually is it's changing someone's entire perspective and making them believe it's true or for the exact definition: "the induction of a state of consciousness in which a person apparently loses the power of voluntary action and is highly responsive to suggestion or direction. Its use in therapy, typically to recover suppressed memories or to allow modification of behavior by suggestion, has been revived but is still controversial." which using what Aizen says and facts from how people reacted within the show, there's really no difference from reality when he uses the blade as we see in the Aizen fight in the fake town where no one other than Ichigo realizes that they're actually stabbing MoMo, I don't think it's necessarily a spiritual pressure thing or chalkra thing, I believe that's just the passive ability of his sword like how Shinji has a mist released from his blade that put's you in the inverted world except on steroids where you only need to see him release his blade which he can seemingly do without any indication, the only problem I really had with the video tbh though everything else was solid just wanted to say my peace and be pushed to comment hell. (Also side note, if Aizen's ability is like Shinji's then no one can really out hack the Hypnosis like we've seen with Soi Fon's one hit KO ability with just being too strong)
Also Just to add onto this, Aizen has shown better feats of coming back other than Mugestu with Gin's poison blade that literally made him lose half of his body in an instant where Gin Basically said his body would continue to disintegrate from the poison left from his blade but obviously didn't happen and survived from probably one of the most lethal hacks in Bleach.
To be fair to Madara, if what you say is true then it works exactly like Kotoamatsukami. Infinite Tsukuyomi (a stronger genjutsu) is something that Madara is passively immune to as a Rinnegan user. Though I'm not sure he can kill Aizen.
@@hadouradiance3566 hado 90. Is there evidence to suggest Madara can escape the Black Coffin if Aizen doesn't release it
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I have no idea to be honest. If I'm being blunt I don't know (or care) who wins. I just don't think Kyouka Suigetsu's hypnosis will work on Madara. I'm making no claims.
@@hadouradiance3566 you don't have to take my word BUT I will say Aizens shikai worked on Ywatch, and his 100× stronger than Madara. Like if Ywatch is litreally God who can see all futures and change them and Aizens shikai still screwed with his perception than Madara is fucked
Somehting I am curious about now b/c crossover shit is one of my jams.
If Madara and Aizen were to interact as characters, like compare philosophies, how would they interact?
Villain interactions are interesting because of the philosophical debates they could have.
My favorite part of the video is how the thumbnail slowly fades away to show what appears to be Dante (Cyber) explains Bleach cosmology while Nemesis has an existential crisis
Holy fuck, do you understand how broken Kyoka Suigetsu actually is? Because it seems like you completely glossed over it and just decided to compare them head to head. The moment Madara looks at Aizen he's already under his spell. Aizen can literally sit back and sip tea while Madara fights air for as long as Aizen wants him to. Then, at Aizen's leisure, he can simply drop in and launch a lethal attack when Madara's guard is down. If it fails? Aizen can just retreat, set up another illusion, and have Madara continue to fight. Madara would have no idea that he would be under any sort of control because KS's type of hypnosis doesn't exist in Naruto. Aizen can essentially get Madara to exhaust himself for an endless amount of time while also learning and analyzing his abilities. And if Madara really just lets all hell loose and rains devastation all around him (something he would have no reason to do unless suspecting Aizen's ability), Aizen can just leave through the Garganta and return to finish the job whenever he wants.
I know it sounds difficult, but people would take you more seriously if you actually bothered paying attention to hax instead of going "well uh Madara has more abilities than Aizen so Madara wins, right?"
Kyoka=basic genjutsu, Madara is stronger and faster, has the superior mind hax/mind hax resistances, one shots him with IT, Izanami, TSOs(void manipulation based existence erasure), or Limbo clones(has no way of bypassing them let alone touching Madara in the first place)
It’s Ok to admit bleach tards that Bleach characters just aren’t as strong or Op as you guys make them out to be( even Seth&Clyde had them being pretty relative with Madara being a bit stronger and Aizen winning due to the Hogyoku, which i disagreed with obviously, but the point is, it’s Ok if people don’t think that Aizen is beating Madara, it ain’t gonna affect ur everyday real life, is it🤔
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lmao no, kyoka activates immediately the moment Aizen is looked at, lasts forever, and allows for complete sensory manipulation. Genjutsu dispersal wouldn't work. Aizen has multiplanetary scaling due to actively battling Yhwach while Madara is repeatedly stated to be not nearly as strong as Kaguya, Madara scales to light speed while Aizen is massively FTL, genjutsu can be broken by reiatsu flex or by the Hogyoku since we're verse equalizing, the Infinite Tsukuyomi is shown not to work on spirits such as the Edo Tenseis, Madara has never shown the ability to use Izanami, and if he could, it would only work if Aizen was legitimately doubting his purpose, which he would not for the sake of this battle. The TSO nullify jutsu and multiple characters have been directly hit by them without being instantly killed. Even if we were to say that they did damage souls, all damage in Bleach is soul-based anyways, so it doesn't matter, and in addition Aizen has repeatedly tanked disintegration or destruction and recovered from it perfectly every time, there's no reason why the limbo clones wouldn't be affected by kyoka suigetsu as well, and there's no reason to suspect aizen would be unable to see them due to his extraordinary perception working even when he was in the Muken.
I hope the post fight analysis is just wiz going all "IS THERE ANYONE WHO CAN EVEN TOUCH MADARA" and just for boomstick to reply with, "yes there is" and then they just cut to "the winner is aizen", no calcs or reasons just that. (And then it turns out the whole post fight analysis was an illusion)
Facts
Tbh that would be awesome, it should be a double fakeout with the character using the illusion losing
I will now be very disappointed if this isn’t what happens
Oh so sad, anyways Madara still one shots the overhyped and overrated fodder hill buster
Imagine making a 3 hour vid going in depth for your reasoning only for people to say "X Character wins" without even watching the video.
Hate to see it
Yeah, cause Madara wins.
Idk what these jumps in logic are.
"Madara large planet+/ Aizen 3x planet level"
Using what? Aizen did worst against Ywach then Ichigo.
So no he can not be scaled to Ichigo, let alone Ywach.
So he isn't even in the planet range, you'd have to accept Bleach characters beyond Ywach and the Soul King as planetary to begin with.
People forget the soul king in crystasis had his power removed. Ichigo is not capable of killing Prime Reio.
If Ichigo was at the scale of Ywach based on Bleach laws, he himself would've been fine if Ywach changed the structure of the universe.
Ywach wouldn't have been capable of breaking his bankai, nor his horn. That's Bleach universe laws shutting that BS down.
Idk what fight Bleach fans read. And Shunsui saying Ichigo would've became the new soul king is an unquantifiable statement.
It is not a statement of power level, because Shunsui never said anything about power.
Ichibe also said Ichigo+all his friends could not defeat Ywach. Without him knowing about the assimilation of the Soul King.
So the Ywach with just almighty could've beaten Ichigo and all his friends. That's a statement from a in universe god.
All that to say Aizen & Ichigo for that matter do not compare/scale to Ywach. Especially Post Soul King assimilation.
When he mopped the floor with Ichigo. No argument supersedes the fact he broke Ichigo's bankai. And it needed to be recreated on a completely different time axis, to keep Ywach from doing it again. By laws of the series that means ichigo doesn't scale to him. He was playing with ichigo's shikai without the almighty.
So:
"Aizen 3x planetary" is a joke. Madara Large Planet+ is a huge lowball.
Toneri was going to destroy the earth with Bijuu Naruto's chakra. Six Paths is atleast a 6 times multiplier(low end).
It took 100+ ninja to blow up the moon, in universe calc. Naruto gave chakra to bare minimum 1000 in the war. That's enough chakra to destroy the moon 9 times over.
So it's Toneri's claim is consistent when we consider: Naruto fought Juubito for almost 12 hours, post gifting the chakra. And now he had both Kurama halfs.
So during the war in Bijuu Mode Naruto was planetary. When he came back in 6 paths he shot well above that range. There was even a publication saying Bijuu Mode is planetary. It actually said with ease. But I don't agree with that. That seems like a far stretch. But it adds validity to the already stacking evidence.
And we haven't even begun to talk about Juubidara. Who scales above both 6 paths Naruto and Sasuke, heavily. With the propensity for their skillsets. After he absorbed the tree he was about 4/10, the monster Kaguya was. Kaguya has been confirmed over the years to be star level(low end). This is why some threads and forums agree. If Naruto and Sasuke are Multi-Planet. Madara and Kaguya are definitely Solar System level. And those are low end calcs, because people choose to ignore way the anime presents Ootsusuki dimensions. Where they have countless stars and solar systems. Which is fine until you realize the Boruto novel said Momoshiki can absorb chakra from across and beyond these vast expanses. (www.google.com/search?q=momoshiki+dimension&sxsrf=AOaemvIJ57XkvXp2sNItsmXkQ7833Xwpfg:1637625259562&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=SLb2xD4Qz0lOKM%252CH_V730QTWBF5KM%252C_%253BRoytY18sqEsdiM%252CKaibeBVhSI_uPM%252C_%253B0yMtpCaXFr7PrM%252CZwuM19GUK88QhM%252C_%253BtKmsWSd2oaWfIM%252CrEHwUivBCMx-HM%252C_%253Br6dDpAaMmzpwtM%252CEZLpTw0EEvDmKM%252C_%253ByW3j2dtl5C4U_M%252CU2XLjqgyvISNXM%252C_%253B8xVhlERtECnHxM%252COYEs69BHIGvkRM%252C_%253BOuAQG8xjL8HIWM%252CKaibeBVhSI_uPM%252C_%253BUaaVydjFK3421M%252CrEHwUivBCMx-HM%252C_%253B7IjawIi5rXsSiM%252CL0MYGmiEnoXAWM%252C_%253BOUO-pH55l7lvJM%252CB-W5rnprXf2Y3M%252C_%253B_WnrfKAVtWoCaM%252C_jlRUxg_UJDmxM%252C_%253BqpQovLhBsOaLjM%252CrZR9tozfve7gEM%252C_%253BRxzRzpFqjfCLSM%252Cz6kwitvWjC-p2M%252C_%253B1sj0G1xE9hCJhM%252CrEHwUivBCMx-HM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kTvBRY0ugEWLzy6r4UmbsHIqg5tNw&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwihzvu-la30AhW_g_0HHa3fBdgQ9QF6BAgCEAE#imgrc=SLb2xD4Qz0lOKM)
In short. 1. Character takes alot of false equivalence. 2. The other stuck between multi-planet+ and an unspecifiable range. Hell they said in Boruto 6 months ago. The Ootsusuki are trying to become universal. If a few god fruit can make them universal, 1 absolutely has to be Solar System-low end.
@@AMAZIAH you ok?
@@AMAZIAH lmao naruto kid who clearly doesn’t know bleach lore go off no one will listen to you.
@@shifterlocker2361 did..did you read what they wrote or did you just say "lol your wrong cause I say so"
Kyoka Suigetsu manipulated ALMIGHTY YHWACH. How are you guys downplaying it so much.
Here is my bleach realm stuff: Gremmy's Galaxy room. You have two ways to interpret this, neither is good for your argument: 1) Gremmy himself creates the entirety of the Galaxy Room. This would place people like Kenpachi at galaxy range given even Gremmy couldn't imagine a body strong enough to hold his power.
2) Gremmy ripped a hole in space. Meaning the stars and galaxy we see are either contained in the Soul Society or The World of the Living.
One of the Relams has to contain those stars and galaxies, meaning the realms collapse would include the galaxy stuff we saw.
The novel confirms that gremmy created it
Oh boy, this is gonna be good.
I love both of these characters! If either wins I'll still love the fight.
Hopefully they have a good season finale 3D animation with help from team rwby animators
@@mnx8152 RWBY animators are already working against the clock to crap out their own show. I wouldn't wanna burden them with Death Battle scheduling.
I have a question why is this not the season finale I am a little confused they are best anime villains of all time
So tell me who is your favorite anime character in Naruto that got in deathbattle if you could rank every fighter worst to best who would that be
And who would be a future Naruto character in deathbattle you want to see in deathbattle
People : Lol madara ftw
Aizen : its all part of my plan
😂😂
Light Yagami but boosted and actually a badass lol
Then we found out aizen was trash and it was ywatch plan
Based
@@MWMTEE Aizen beat Yhwach just saying
This is prob going to be the Most controversial death battle excluding ben 10 vs green lantern.
also excluding Naruto vs Ichigo
With the hokyuoku Aizen can always evolve to a level that surpasses Madara
He's already above what Madara can output in the War Arc
NLF, Madara still one shots the overhyped and overrated fodder hill buster, via IT, Izanami, TSOs(void manipulation based existence erasure), or Limbo clones(can’t even touch the real Madara; he’s screwed)
And he did win the Death Battle, as he should.
I and most people in the powerscaling community doesn’t buy y’all wanking of bleach characters cuz they’re always just horrendous arguments over and over again, wanking the verse isn’t gonna change most people’s view’s on how strong the verse actually is🥱👺
@@ousmanjallow7866 Well what ever you think bro
The length of this video is very... *contentious*
They both are Thanos of their own respective universe
Hey, Nemesis. Yeah, you!
I saw you in the Fog of Lost Souls! What did you do to make me notice your silhouette alongside Ben Tennyson, Sonic the Hedgehog, Ken, Goku Black, Batman, Ace and Jotaro's silhouettes in Korra VS Storm?
@Adrian Banks Jotaro's, Batman's and Goku Black's are more harder to see. If you look at the left side of the screen real carefully, you can see Jotaro's silhouette do the iconic 'Yare Yare' pose with his hat.
Realistically Aizen wins, but given how they low balled ichigo, I’m gonna go with madara
My biggest questions are will they add six paths madara and butterfly aizen since technically both need outside help of achieving those forms, and how would kyoka suigestu work on madara since it effect all senses and knowing aizen’s unpredictability he’ll manage to get it off, but can the sharingan break through the visual hypnosis or not
If i had to predict the deaths.
For aizen he’d be charging a black coffin but madara breaks out and uses wood style to trap him in place and drop a meteor on him
For madara aizen’s gonna f&ck with his head and everything to either cut off his head or actually kill him with a black coffin
calling the track to be called great spiritual war
Hey they nerfed Sasuke too so maybe
That was 4 fucking years ago.
@@Chromaray not really hiei is simply literally a perfect counter to Sasuke.
Aizen didnt really need outside Help as long as he adapts to his opponents those forms Will normally be reached the same way hyougyoko always brings him back.
They nerfed him to multi continental. Bleach speed scaling is ass. Its a struggle to get them above ftl. Spiritual light=/=lightspeed. Also uni scales a massive outliers when there more consistantly multi cont to planet. Madara as a edo can react to the heavanly light transfer, which is stated lightspeed. Madara just blitzes
I predict that they fail to do any accurate research for aizen, just like they did ichigo, downplay him, somehow make Madara immune to his hypnosis (even though if you have eyes you literally can't counter it, Yhwhach is BEYOND OMNIPOTENT and could see the outcomes of literally EVERY timeline in the bleach multiverse, and was STILL hypnotized,) ignore his abilities to bend reality, and ignore any other meaningful feats, because they've already shown blatant unfair favoritism to naruto characters before, and "UMMM UMMM it'd take too long to research, UMMM UMM MADARA ARMOR COOL, HE WIN!!"
they didn't properly research metal sonic, they never properly researched goku, they didn't properly research ichigo, the list goes on and on and on. Whoever they like more wins, it NEVER changes.
Edit: Aizen easily overpowers madara as he scales to Manga ichigo whose bare minimum multi solar system level, Madara has quite literally no arguments besides wanking that puts him above moon-planet.
To be fair almost all power scalers never take into account most the anti-feats. That's how they can take cherry picked Superman feats and ignore all the times he got his face punched by enemies moving far less then the speed of light.
I think the fact that Aizen could stand his ground against Yhwhach says almost more then any quoted feat he has in the series. There is no world in which Madara lasts 10 seconds against Yhwhach.
@@travisbewley7084 so your logic is superman is slower than the speed of light 😅
@@MWMTEE depends on the writer. Sometimes he is much faster and sometimes he is far far far slower.
The truth is the Superman writers don't give a crap about consistently writing the charecters powers so they don't give time to thinking about what the numbers they put out actually mean. So the result is that sometimes Superman just inexplicably becomes slower or weaker so that the enemy seems strong even if it doesn't make sense.
@@travisbewley7084 no they explain this very simple, superman is always holding back
@@MWMTEE ok sure yeah. So he just lets enemies punch him instead of stepping slightly out of the way... Out of pity? Or he just lets everyone else who can't move as fast as him be in extreme danger because... They can just fend for themselves?
Or maybe he is holding back when he is racing to show up somewhere but it takes more then a second, even though previously he traveled across the universe in seconds.
The writers are just inconsistent, unless you think Superman is a kind of psychopath who let's a lot of horrible things happen around him because he is holding back from being able to easily solve all problems that are moving at light speed or below.
What an absurd argument.
I disliked the video, you guys are completely biased against Bleach.
The host of the video literally admits he hates Bleach and anytime you even try to suggest Aizen's higher tier stats you can audibly hear him becoming frustrated.
Even the guy who claims he loves Bleach and is a Bleach expert is nothing but an expert Bleach downplayer.
He literally looks for every single way he can nerf Aizen while he is analyzing his stats while you guys do the exact opposite for Madara.
The fact that you guys have to try so hard to downplay Aizen down to madara's level, while trying so hard to boost madara just proves to me that Aizen one-shots.
If any of you guys want to debate just let me know. All the techniques you listed of Aizen were mostly legit but the actual stats and powerlevels you gave for Bleachverse was all complete misinformation and I could easily prove it with the Canon sources.
Your scaling in this video was just as bad as Screw Attack's Naruto vs Ichigo death battle and is what is actually causing the frustration among all of the fans. We just want an honest scaling and research regardless of the outcome. This here is dishonest.
List off how anything was dishonest
This community in general seems to have something against that one specific anime
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In any other anime, when a character is stated to be able to destroy the universe, the character is immediately made universal in dc.
In Bleach, the character is stated to be able to destroy the universe.
These Guys: nah, I don't buy it.
@@magnaz26 its called logic madaras susano is said to be desteoy anything in the universe but naruto fans arnt dumb and say madaras susasno is universal lol
@@MWMTEE when they say that it means that his sussanno is superior to anything that's been shown at that point in the series
Bleach being Uni is probably especially given we haven't even seen the full size of the verse yet
YES ANOTHER LONG ASS PREDICTION I LOVE THESE
Is 3 hours your limit
Love both villains but I think Aizens gonna win
He should
War Arc Aizen anyways
@@mclovin5109 no he shouldn't
@@kingofsixpaths8463 he should have but it's death battle I don't really watch them anymore with there lack of information
@@turtletre324 Gonna cry, go do something about tough guy or run to ur Daddy’s Clyde or Seth and report Death Battle🤣😥
@@mclovin5109 How u feeling now buddy, Aizen got spanked badly😮💨
“ remember when Madara controlled the weather ?”
Me : remember when Hado 90 creates the same situation as a Black hole that got smacked away bare handed ?
Remember when Aizen held off the quantum manipulating Yhwach?
No disrespect to Madara but Aizen fought MUCH worse then him
Remember when madara place ALL THE WORLD in a genjutsu
Still thinking Hado 90 being a black hole, bleach wankers plz never stop y’all delusions, Madara still one shots the overhyped and overrated fodder hill buster
Betting on Aizen
Rooting for Madara
SPOILER ALERT= MADARA WINS AGAINST AIZEN 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Stop being delusional 🤦♂️
@@narutoxborutofanatic stop being delusional? Because the result was wrong yup
Mayuri stated, that nothing in Soul Society were able to kill Aizen.This includes Yamamoto's bankai. In other words, Madara can't kill Aizen. Sure, he can seal him or put him into infinity tsukyuyomi, but he is unable to kill him. Madara need to destroy the soul to stop Aizen's Regenerationn. Destroying the body doesn't stop Reiatsu. The body is the Konpaku and Konpaku have the actual soul in them; Aizen is already a spirit based being, his soul itself is what regenerates.
Truth seeking bomb only destroys Aizen spirutual body not soul that is inside.
Truth Seeking Bombs have never destroyed a Planetary threat and TYBW Aizen is Large Planet via fighting Yhwach alongside Ichigo
Aizen still wins but just thought to mention that
this all of this
Galactus vs Unicron "Season 8 Finale"
Death Battle Season 9:
Episode 1: Byleth (Fire Emblem) vs Rean Schwarzer (Trails of Cold Steel)
Episode 2: Rui (Demon Slayer) vs Spider Man (Marvel)
Episode 3: Zhao Yun (Dynasty Warriors) vs Sanada Yukimura (Sengoku Basara)
Episode 4: Mickey Mouse (Disney) vs Bugs Bunny (Looney Tunes)
Episode 5: Hunters (Monster Hunter) vs Protagonists (God Eater) Battle Royale
Episode 6: Incineroar (Pokémon) vs King (Tekken)
And Etc.
I doubt they will use Micky again dispite that he's diffrent from king micky
@@Loldino897 nope it’s been confirmed they’re using him in Mickey VS Bugs bunny
Despite me not knowing much on both characters I’m hype for this cuz it’s illusionary stuff hype
Same, don’t know a lot about either since I don’t watch anime, but who do you thinks winning this, I’m leaning towards azien, but I understand if madara wins.
@@shr00myfan87 I think Madara due to the large amounts of hax resistance he got
@@unitedgibberish4479 superior ap means Aizen resist most of Madara’s hax
@@unitedgibberish4479 If I remember correctly only a few genjutsu don't rely on manipulating the chakra of the opponent. Chakra is also something not naturally occurring in humans but was brought to their world. I don't think most Genjutsu will even effect Azien. Meanwhile I can't think of anyone who has been able to resist Azien's hypnosis aside from a god who could create and collapse possible realities and even then it did seem to be doing some work.
Basically Scarecrow vs Mysterio/Mr. Fear except much better
There are 2 things I disagree with you in this debate :
1. Just like how you claim Aizen cannot one shot Madara , neither can Madara one shot Aizen because of the Hougyoku's absurd regenerative abilities which have allowed Aizen to survive literally getting cut and split right down the middle by Mugetsu and getting several holes blasted through his torso by both Gin ( before the fight with Ichigo ) and Yhwatch ( at the end of the story ) and every time - before and during his fight with Ichigo - gave Aizen another , more powerfull transformation
2. Aizen's perfect hypnosis literally rewires the target's brain ( just like Madara's Rinengan mental hacks ) and senses so the target sees , hears , smells , tastes and feels anything that Aizen wants them to
True
Yeah
Precisely
Aizen stomps. Or at least now he does with all the BS power ups he got.
Take a shot everytime Cyber says "contentious".
Aizen and madara are two different tiers
Different being madara a puppet and Aizen is the puppeteer
Someone's seen the rap battle
Ezelle Fruster felt like it was appropriate to use lol
@@superthorc6894 fr as someone who knows both sides Id say Madara fans are overhyping this by acting as If its a "close match" TYBW feats simply put aizen leagues above Madara let Alone the fact that this battle realistically would end the moment Madara looks at him period.
Yoyoyoyoyo
@@vushasenakingofallzasshus6089 it is a close fight but aizen wins
Although I watched the hax portion I think I missed whether or not genjutsu would work on Aizen considering the zombie hokage were stated not affected by genjutsu despite having their 5 senses, Chakra, and physical bodies. Can someone clear that up for me? Also did anyone bring up that ichigo in the soul society arc while injured (I say this because he had bandages) casually blocked the sokyoku which was stated to be strong enough to destroy the soul society and he then destroyed the execution post which was made to endure the execution of whoever was there that instantly gives early bleach country to maybe planet if you wank attack potency and durability. Ichigo was stated right after the soul society arc by the leader of the vizards to have enough power that his spiritual pressure was affecting the entire planet. Also cero are stated as "spiritual light" so wouldn't that make substitute soul reaper arc ichigo relativistic to ftl since he blocked the menos cero *after* it was fired? And then you scale ichigo's progress while stacking the bankai multipliers to get base aizens speed at possibly mftl. I ask all these questions just to have a better understanding of the fight and in case I missed this stuff.
Aizen has a lot of weaknesses over confident he goes way to easy on his opponent’s and does not really try that hard in the beginning when he fights his last weakness is that he does have some anger issues and if he does not get what he wants he kills just like he did to a specific person in bleach and he also can not stand being outsmarted when that happens he goes in a blind range and can’t control how he feels mad goes in to new forms to make him self stronger !!!
And madara lacks some weaknesses 1 of them is cocky he is kinda rubs it in that he is unstoppable and he has one of the biggest egos because he thinks he is unstoppable. Madara other 2 weakness is power he. Uses to much and that kinda drains him of his chakra if he uses way to much power at once. But when is dead is chakra is unlimited it just kinda depends and finally his biggest flaw is trust the only person he ever trusted was obito. But he did not want to use his deception on other ninjas he only did it once. Madara thinks that he is so powerful that he does not need anyone but himself so this that accurate and if that is true why did he mold obito in to a villain and turn him in to the substitute of madara ???
But they both show a lot of potential and a lot of power aizen may be smarter. But madara is more on his feet he thinks when something is Thrown at him he always thinks of good possibilities
@@questionking2340 And madara has those very same weaknesses of being overconfident and getting angry and he literally lets people like Might Guy attack him with his full strength despite knowing it could kill him. The rest of your comments is broken English that I can't understand so I won't even bother assuming.
Half Kurama has planetary statements, not impressive at all, Madara still one shots the overhyped and overrated fodder hill buster, stronger and faster, has superior mind hax/mind hax resistances, IT, Izanami, TSOs(void manipulation based existence erasure), or Limbo clones, kyoka=basic genjutsu in naruto.
For the salty bleach tards, go cry me tears in the corner or to ur Daddy’s Seth, Clyde, Chuck, or Bleach hub, it ain’t stopping Madara still demolishing this fodder tho😥🥱🤣👺
I just realized the what the background image is. Good stuff
Kimimorra Trap Brothel is dead
(He's gonna cry about this)
He's in jail (for probably an eternity cuz attempted murder from what I've heard) so he wont be crying as he won't even know about this DB happening at all
Ik
@@tasohorgus581 I doubt for eternity but I think for a really long time
@@doubleagent077 dude my day was great until you mentioned that guys name
Used to like him, but didn't when he got to 1k subs
It's all apart of aizens plan which is secretly black zetsus plan
But aizen planned for that and incorporated it into his plan
Ah, but that is the plan. Now that they know his plan, they will plan around that plan. So now I shall plan around the plan that they are planning around that plan.
@@BootsThaRareBirb Ah but by planning around his plan you fell right into his true plan that was planned since the moment your plan was planned
@@KuromaruKenkaku When were you ever under the impression that wasn't his plan all along?
@@KuromaruKenkaku the screen shatters at the end revealing Aizen smirking in his chair with Madara nowhere to be seen
Man literally made a video minutes after the Death Battle came out
On Topic: Aizen wins
true . but dont think it will be a walk in the park tho. I mean the outcome is obvious but donno....i mean i hope they make it badass
Agreed that Aizen Sama wins
He does yeah
1:48:30 can you explain why you think Vasto Lorde isn't stronger than Bankai Yamamoto?
Bruh Yama would stomp Vasto lorde ichigo & that’s my favorite form it would be no contest
Vasto Lorde is superior to Ulquiorra one of the strongest Espada who are Multi Cont at their peak
Yamaji's bankai is Planetary in kinetic energy however since it evaporated all the moisture in SS which is stated to be a planet, possibly even larger than earth since it has to be ever-growing to be able to contain the millions to billions, possibly even trillions of people that will die and go there in the fore-seeable future
So Yama probably wins tbh
Read the final arc of Bleach where Yama actually pulls out his Bankai
How physical are souls in Bleach? How physical are Soul Society and Hueco Mundo? Considering that everything is made of Reishi and thus possibly subject to different laws of physics, can we really use any calcs unless it's performed in the world of the living?
When a sinner mortal in bleach die, their soul will become hollow and if hollow die, their reishii properties will go to hell.
If a non-sinner die, they will go to soul society(Heaven) where everything is made of reishii and if their soul die, their reishii will become one with soul society(Basically if soul die it will become fertillizer to soul society) BUT if reishii is too thick like reishii of those who are above captain level(Basically a sin for being so strong) their reishii will contaminate soul society so it needs to send to hell like yamamoto, unohana, Aizen, and kenpachi. If those captain die, their body will send to hell via ritual.
While Quincy who are cheap imitation of reaper, everything they kill will remove to cycle of reincarnation, and ones a quincy die, they will return to their father(Yhwach).
So
Mortal/Human sinner -> hollow -> Hell.
Mortal/Human saint -> Heaven/(Possibly become reaper) *IF become too strong above captain level -> Hell.
Quincy(Everything they kill will be gone, no reincarnation) *Once Quincy die, they return to Yhwach(Which is now thw soul king object that holds bleach verse).
@@leandroandong7400 Thank you for the lore, but that was not what I was asking.
We know that souls are affected by gravity (For example) in all three realms, but if a Soul Reaper stood on a scale in the realm of the Living, would it be able to register them? Do the physical rules of momentum and inertia apply to them?
We know that hollows can get hit by physical objects (telephone pole from Chad), supposedly normal people can't touch them, but we do know that they interact with the physical world and matter (first episode hollow footprint, soul Ichigo kicks up dust climbing shattered shaft). Do souls need as much energy to move physical matter as if a bodied and living human were to try and move it, or is it more or less energy?
In Soul Society, everything is made of Reishi in different densities, and the energy to move or destroy something depends on that density. Does it take the same amount of energy to destroy an equal amount of SS ground as it would a World of Living ground?
@@cioplasmmajic8327 in soul society and hueco mundo, the equivalent of matter is reishii. Souls are not much affected by PHYSICAL matter(energy) like how walking in the air or breaking the fabric of space(Living world) is common for them. But that doesn't mean there is no way for creatures in living world to interact with this soul just like fullbring(Who just happened to have a fragment of soul king).
So yes they are affected by Physical matter IF combined with spirit properties the same way how fullbring can manipulate physical matter(Inanimate) via soul bending.
However, Reishii is much superior to physical matter like how soul reaper, hollow, and quincy can produce and manipulate phenomenon.
So shooting a reaper/hollow a normal arrow won't have any effect but coating that arrow with spirit thing/reishii yes you can damage those soul being.
They the same , even though they “souls” they just normal humans, you punch them in nose their nose bleeds
@@MWMTEE But they are made of "SPIRIT" matter(Reishi) which is very different to physical matter we have.
Aizen is gonna stomp this battle. Aizen is da goat
Hopefully they use a better art style than the 2D sprites. If not 3D something better than those 2D pixel sprites.
Sprites has the most animation potential tho
Yeah I'm sorry but pixel is the only way I can see this going.
I'm really excited to see these guys throw words as well as hands lol
I hope madara will dance and aizen will make some plans.
Those plans will help him win
Aizen should have all numbered Kido that's been showed in the series
Eze
Exactly
He wins without them
Well he is one of the strongest characters so yeah
I think you miss interpret the madara genjutsu situation, when people say its out of character for him to use it they are referring to madara starting a fight with it since he has never done so at all not only that he likes to enjoy fights which is another factor as to why he doesn't uses it often
Another thing Sasuke was able to affect danzo with genjutsu who has MULTIPLE SHARINGAN including a mangekyo not only that aizen can drag the limbo clones out of the limbo dimension the same way shinji dragged aizen from a different dimension that acts like the limbo dimesion (it lets you see and interact with things outside said dimension)
I also got problems with what you said about aizens speed
@@moisesmartinezmorales5885 Madara one shots the overhyped and overrated fodder hill buster, has the superior mind hax/mind hax resistances, IT, Izanami, TSOs,(void manipulation based existence erasure), or Limbo clones(he has no way of bypassing them let alone touching the real Madara himself; he’s screwed).
Oh, and kyoka=basic genjutsu in naruto
Now, go cry in the corner or to ur Daddy’s Seth, Clyde, Chuck, or Bleach hub if you want that is
@@ousmanjallow7866 no one asked you
Aizen wins.
Madara can't kill Aizen due to the insane healing from hogyoku so he has to seal him up, which unfortunately involves Madara looking at Aizen which will activate complete hypnosis. Aizen's inability to die combined with complete hypnosis and superior speed means that Aizen just has everything he needs to win
Madara resists complete hypnosis and is faster so
@@zephyromega3077 actually he doesn't, the Naruto lore states that sharigun users resist PHYSICAL Illusions, but the complete hypnosis is sensory not physical so there's no evidence that Madara resist. And no Madara isn't faster. his Max speed was only capable of keeping up with Naruto who is slower than Ichigo, the same Ichigo that blitzed Aizen only to have Aizen catch his attack making Aizen faster than Ichigo who's faster than Naruto who's equal to speed with Madara
@@williamjarvis3295 aizen illusions wouldn't work on madara just saying
@@superironman8324 read the previous comment
@@zephyromega3077 he’s not faster
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two amazing characters now i just pray they dont fuck over anything in the death battle
Aizen smoking madara
@@vongolatx4828 he better
@@MinatotheGreenLanternhonestly deathbattle gonna make madara win cause he's probably more popular
@@vongolatx4828 yep
@@vongolatx4828 aizen a lil too slipperly for madara ngl
I think Aizen should take this, I don't think Madaras genjutsu will be effective against Aizen and his hogyoku would give him way to many options to counter. I don't watch these videos and just take peoples word for them so my bet is Aizen.
Plus a lot of people don't seem to know he fused with his zanpakuto so when you look at him you will fall under ks
@@government1476 not only that the Hogyoku is able to give the user his deepest desire, it can literally adapt and counter whatever Madara throws at him, you can power out of Genjutsu if you are strong enough and the Hogyoku will make you strong enough
@@johnslade9751 ya and he's straight up immortal
@@johnslade9751 also, and going by most people's rules that spiritual pressure is equal to chakra or whatever just for the sake of balancing it out, doesnt this mean if aizen's pressure is high enough he should be able to cancel out madara's techniques with so on as he stated
havent watched naruto so i have no clue but this just came to mind as deathbattle usually says 2 things that are extremely similar often work the same as the other/cancel eachother out
@@TakiyaTalon let Alone aizens ridiculous feats during TTYBW while being SEALED
Nice content haven’t finished the vid but keep it up 👍
Anyone have a timestamp for when Cyber breaks Nemesis with Bleach cosmology?
Limbo clones... Aizen can sense people from other dimensions and is able to create portal to another dimensions.
He can also just use that one Kido Techniqhe Shinji used in the Pendulum arc to unveil the invisible barrier Aizen hid himself in when he was a *Lieutenant* class soul reaper
He could use that to find and then body the Limbo Clones and then Madara
Finally a Naruto villain in death battle
hopefully next we get Obito vs Darth Vader
@@cloudychaos475 darth vader destroys him but I like obito better
@@Powxrr Probably but I do want to point out he can make himself intangible and just go into the Kamui dimension and use the Demon King to fully heal himself. Also it just takes 1 good blow to the chest for Vader to go down.
Obito is never landing that hit though.
@@auraemerald8434 he can only go intangible if he is able to react to the attack coming. If Vader is faster then obito can’t kamui himself into the dimension
@@Powxrr They both have precognition. It sort of cancels out except Obito’s is instant.
I didn't expect I would be hearing several people die inside today but here we are
What?
@@MinatotheGreenLantern as in, nemesis dying over how drawn out the analysis was.
Good Video Guys, Thank You!
I am rooting for the ultimate troll.
Aizen FTW
Agreed
please keep in mind that i havent watched naruto so take my opinion with a grain of salt
but as deathbattle usually goes, doesn't things that are similar is some way usually play the same role/cancel eachother out (in this case spiritual pressure and chakra)
and in case with barragan and soi fon, if we are to say chakra substitutes as spiritual pressure and vice versa, would aizen not have a possibility of flat out cancelling madara's techniques etc?
again, no clue about most things naruto so please do correct me if im wrong
It's moreso when one ability directly counters the other or they both have the same ability that they cancel each other out that Death Battle uses that argument, Examples would be: One character controls fire but the other has the ability to put out fire, or both characters have time stop so they cancel each other out from a debate standpoint (Which is not always true for the time stop thing but Death Battle is usually a little more lenient/broad with what they allow to cancel each other in that regard.)
With chakra and spiritual pressure, they're essentially inner power sources that work as mana bars to use abilities that range from pretty much physical level attacks to hax, the only way they would cancel each other in a "they're close in power" kind of way is if they worked like Dragon Ball where your durability using one was equal or higher than the physical power of the person attacking using the other.
Unless you were talking about something else, in which case, I'm dumb
@@AkumaKuma104 chakra and reiatsu aren’t the same they may posses similarities but the still have things that make them different
@@MinatotheGreenLantern yeah but what their saying is DB is going to equalize them, otherwise you have "lol gg spiritual crush" or "genjutsu GG ez" since suddenly your character can't resist the others most BS hax.
@@polarwind1097 huh?, oh sorry can you explain a bit more
Tell me in order. Least to greatest abilities in Naruto and in bleach
Aizen gonna wipe the floor with mardura once it's all said and done just as death battle apologized on Twitter or Twitch about naruto vs ichigo because they didn't understand the bleach content. Bleach is by far more powerful than most people think and could solo most of naruto verse.
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Was just reccomended this.
My bet is on Aizen, and I'm as of now confident in that. I have not watched this yet, so I can not say anything for now but I was told to give extensive attention to everything so I'll go into this with an open mind ready to learn all over again.
Thanks in advance for your hard work & I hope I'll enjoy this & come out with some new insight.
(I'll Edit This Post After I Finish & I'll Tell What I've Learned Then We'll See If My Expectations Have Changed)
Edit:
I learned You guys are nerds for character lore.
Beyond that, you guys all served time to dedicate lots to this video.
I learned a few key details that I think I've misjudged based on size of certain attacks, certain areas, or just pure power scale.
Tho I also feel I've mostly understood each character & their respective worlds.
(Meaning I've Watched The Anime & Read The Manga but also I've Read & Watched Key Moments Countless Times)
I'm not one for the understanding of potency breakdown but most my understanding comes from size, intention, and speed of destruction.
I have learned that I have over calculated both characters but not by much. I have learned ALOT about the Bleach-Verse but again I'll say I didn't learn much about either character themselves.
Regarding Naruto-Verse, I've actually done a bit more research for the series than for Bleach, I feel it's more dense & creative. I do like Bleach more btw.
Now onto the feats,,,, I didn't learn too many new things but I did change perspective on a couple if values.
-Madara is actually stronger than I had remembered, but I over estimated some of his abilities.
(I had believed before this video that Madara was actually 'physically' stronger than Aizen)
I think things were overlooked for both but there were things underlayed for Aizen probably because not everyone here had equal understanding, some sayings were overplayed & underlayed for the sake of agreement. Wasn't too big an issue tho.
Madara I don't think is as overwhelming as he's depicted simply because I think lore plays power in his story.
-Aizen,,, I don't think he was depicted the best in this simply because there weren't enough feats played out for his minions. Also I do believe Aizen was stronger than Ichigo ever step of the way.
I don't think there is really much for me to say at all.
-hax now.. both characters are legit OP😂
I think Hogyouku by all means gain the Victory.
Aizen having already been put under so many nerfs & torn in 2 twice, still later grew stronger during & after each event.
Any "soul" abilities, destruction to the soul or stealing it does not work on the Hogyouku which after Aizens defeat he is one with both his Zampakuto & Hogyouku. They can not be separated and they have no weakness.
I also believe that with Hogyouku being an ever evolving & self sentient item of thousands of souls, with limitless capabilities while being bonded to Aizen allowing evolution & negation to certain things as proven before and who knows what else as not everything has been used on Aizen.
I'm gonna stop here because I really can't say too many things due to some mutual understanding.
Will say that while Madara has gravitational pull, moon orbit, meteors & so on, Aizen does have Kido-90,,, a Pseudo-Blackwhole. If Madara can be effected by Aizen at all, his spiritual pressure with Hogyouku is of limitless reiatsu giving Aizen the ability to overpower Madara with it, even of not, than eventually as he "can" evolve continuously.
But remember, Aizen can't be killed whatsoever.
Uhm, I think I overall seeing as Aizen can survive Yamamoto's bankai, that is hoyyer than the sun, Aizen can fight against Madara's gravity manipulation as HEAT is actually capable of changing Gravitational Formulation. Technically by the phrasing of his Bankai, Yamamoto has a secondary effect with the Gravitational aspect with his own spirit & the heat of the Sun.
Get it?
At the end, if this is fused Aizen than Aizen wins.
If this is previous to the Hogyouku, I think after this video that Madara actually might win!
(Another Edit: Madara's clones weren't shown to use jutsu except for in 'game' and seeing that I don't think anything aside fist fighting would do anything to Aizen when it comes to the 'Limbo-Clones' specifically.
I don't think it's a matter of upfront strength but who can last the longest. In the end this will be death battle so they can only do 1 of to things. Nerf a character or both, or literally go all out. In the events of nerfing them Aizen would land the biggest flaws in the event of an all out battle Aizen can't die and will only grow stronger by the second leaving Madara to be dealt death as he can actually die & run out of his own spiritual power (chakra.)
Aizen has not shown a full length of his abilities as he had been limited by his opponents in certain aspects, like Mayuri & the Hogyouku itself also played a part before the time skip. Madara has went all out tho he never utilized his abilities to their max, unfortunately. Also! If we're going by EOS, that means Immortal Aizen vs Dead Madara🤭
Which from of aizens is his strongest
@@questionking2340 end of series.
(Black gown & Chair)
Isn’t that when he had the mask and beat ichigo
I have a question for you it’s about the garden of sinners why is it so long
@@questionking2340 because they are adapted from light novels.
Light novels are generally reallly long.
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I have issues with a lot of the scaling here.
(anything i don't mention i think is fine)
9:24
not only is this statement supper inconsistent with scaling, for example, the light fang(an attack that should actually be lightspeed, as it is consistent) was able to touch Naruto's tsb before he was able to dodge.
This means Naruto wasn't far faster than light speed at the time or he would be able to immediately move out of the way.
This variation of Naruto makes the raikage look like a kid in terms of speed as he effortlessly blitzed him in kcm. (No amount of mental amp nonsense to unjustify the feat for kcm naruto doesn't disprove that a stronger Naruto with a mental amp still got his cheeks clapped by juubito who is far weaker than JuubiDara. 8th gate guy's final attack was only started to reach beyond the law of relativity, so the far inferior raikage is definitely nowhere close to that.)
12:09
That's probably not the case with Madara. Kabuto made his edo specifically stronger than others as well as the variety of amps Madara had as an edo from hashirama cells to rinnegan and etc. Even if it was weaker you have no way to quantify how much weaker it was, as it's clear the edo nerf is not stagnent between the various. (Tobirama even said that their edos were "almost as powerful" as their alive selves and Orochimaru's was far worse at the time.)
13:24
Kisame was compared to a bijuu in chakra. Deidara only "beat" gaara because of his need to protect suna and he oneshot a 3 tails outside of a jinchuriki which is far weaker. Also i have no idea where your idea that the 5 kage are stronger than most of the akatsuki, as it's actually implied to be the opposite. Kisame was able to dog on Bee who was able to beat the raikage IN BASE in the war. The raikage needed a sneak attack to beat Bee. Bee saying the raikage was now using his full power was just saying he was now using it against Naruto as before hand he was only using V1. while against bee he was clearly V1. Ohnoki is only Deidara level which we saw in the war and gaara is weaker than the raikage. Tsunade scales to Jiraiya who tbh is probably much weaker than KCM Naruto who Itachi, Kisame, Obito and Pain scale to easily.
14:21
literally them in a jinchuriki. The 3 tails feat for Deidara is a regular bijuu which is far weaker. gaara wasn't in his full bijuu state either so that doesn't apply
15:18 ok? i get using anime is fine but using anime only stuff without backing it up with the manga basically means you're using filler. The same clash happened in the manga yet no level of destruction was shown. Plus it makes no sense for the bijuus to be multi continental with the air pressure of their clashes alone yet be only 400 gigatons at best with the ACTUAL attacks. Doesn't make sense, air pressure is far weaker than an actual attack.
16:39 i mean i don't know why you're comparing an odama rasengan vs a full fledged bijuu bomb but ok.
17:40
Once again a case of lightspeed being inconsistent with far faster characters being able to only barely scuff light speed. Plus, he reacted to them throwing attacks after the tp, not the tp itself.
18:16 yea after charging its energy and expending it all out. It's not something that can just be thrown around.
18:55 Naruto didn't tank it, he survived it but was knocked out of KCM and forced into his base form and was badly beaten. Regardless Madara tanking it is a good feat for him but not really the ten tails at all.
19:26
yea the entirety of the chakra??? like if it shoots out all of its chakra at once yea, but not attacks that are very small pieces of it will be that strong. Also it's a simile. It says it's *like* it's own planet but not that it *is* its own planet.
23:12 Yea another inconsistent calc. If the lightfang was fast enough that it could touch his tsb before naruto even moved to dodge, then he is not that much faster than light. either way idrc/
25:50
No, he just added his power to his own. Toneri's power was incredibly high, the V-jump guide even stated he was the strongest threat Naruto and crew had fought up till then.
30:00 guys, if you're not gonna bother to pronounce the japanese words correctly, just say the english versions.
37:59 yea so if it expands overtime it can destroy it, but not immediately, so it wouldn't scale. + zetsu even said kaguya was exponentially stronger when she absorbed the chakra to make the tsb. but yea good job pointing that out and not scaling madara to it.
Momoshiki even if it was canon, is stronger than Madara by lightyears.
1:17:15 I think Las Noches is much smaller than people say it is. Viewing it from the top in the ulq vs ichigo fight we clearly see that they are visible in relation to a "country sized" structure.
1:21:30 idk why you claim ulq to be in the country tiers then use a feat from a stronger aizen that is only large island. That Aizen > Yama who is bare min. planet level. (Yes planetary, not just life-wiper. Unohana even said Yamamoto would destroy the ENTIRE SS which is obviously far more than just the surface.)
1:23:00 why are you once again scaling air pressure for overall AP? this isn't even a full on attack, literally just the presence of his bankai alone. (Your top scan also provided evidence he's planetary with energy alone as it says "entire soul society"
1:24:31 mach 500 is super cap for Gin's bankai. Not only was he fooling with Ichigo to break his fighting spirit(Ichigo would have no idea how fast he would be, thus could be impressed by it) This is the EXTENSION of his blade, not himself swinging the blade.
1:35:31 I think the strength of Yhwach is being severly downplayed here. We already know that the Soul king was able to create planets and hold them in place to stop them from colliding with each other with sheer force alone, and the zero squad could jump him and rip his legs and arms off. this same 0 squad was single-handedly killed by one of Yhwach's minions except Ichibei who Yhwach dealt with with the almighty pre-soul king. Post-soul king Yhwach is getting his almighty fucked up by aizen's KS which to happen must make them relative as hax doesn't work on people if they're not in the same leauge as them in bleach.
1:36:27 literally how is getting a hole punched in you an anti feat when overall Aizen wasn't really all that affected? he was just testing how the almighty affected yhwach, i doubt he had his guard up 100% (which is shown a lot with aizen)
but yea i agree with you on the planetary bleach stuff being way more consistent than the universal stuff.
Thank you I’ve been trying to explain to people why hax won’t work on bleach characters if there on the same league as you
Yall got to drop the planetary bleach stuff they are way beyond Planetary ppl like Gremmy can create outer space we see stars and it arguably has galaxies in it due to Gremmy calling it galaxy room why call it that if there is no galaxies lol?? You can argue unu
Aww tryna downplay Madara, bad news for you even if I grand stand this point, Madara would still be much faster than Aizen who’ll just be sub rel-sub rel+ at best while Madara would be rel+-light speed-ftl especially 3eyed Madara
So yea, Madar still fodderizes the overhyped and overrated fodder hill buster just like every other bleach character🥱😈😂
@@ousmanjallow7866 clearly bait
4:46 Oh? A Sonic reference by Nemesis and from one of the better interactions in Sonic Lost World? Noice :3
Sonic is based so yeah
I’m going with Aizen
Same
Madara ftw
Aizen has better speed
Better hypnosis
Better hax in general
He can also potentially resist the Eternal Tsukuyomi since it apparently didn't work on the Edo Tensei which are souls that inhabit reanimated bodies and Aizen's a spirit with access to Kisuke's countless gigai which we know since he also had access to and used the Reishi Concealing Cloaks that Kisuke made in the Everything but the Rain mini arc when he was testing Young Isshin's power
Centuries more experience too
Kyoka=basic genjutsu
Madara has superior mind hax/mind hax resistances, he one shots with IT, Izanami, TSOs(void manipulation based existence erasure), or Limbo clones
Madara’s stronger and faster too, So ur wrong on all accounts🤣
@@mclovin5109 Edo Tensei/=/Aizen fallacious comparison with garbage reasonings, Madara still one shots the garbage fodder
As soon as madara and aizen meet madara would already be under his hypnosis and madara has no way of breaking out he wouldn't even know he's in it thats the point, no-one knows there under it. He puts everyone under kyoka and he'd do it immediately, how would madara know he's under it kyoka is far superior to madaras genjustu....he caught juha in his genjustu who ALL SEEING you guys are tripping
Pretty good analogy, but from someone who watched both series I can tell y’all that aizen wins, but death battle tends to please the fans so madara might win
The war arc in the manga is actually really good it’s just that the anime has completely screwed up the arc before it that is meant to set it up so people think they are gonna mess it up too
For bleach or Naruto?
Rooting Madara, betting Aizen(just because bleach doesn't have better match up at this point, and they lost the previous battle)
Same
The time on this prediction is about as inflated as stats due to scaling are.
😂😂facts
3 HOURS ARE YOU MAD HELL NAH *imma watch it tomorrow tho*
I wouldn't say you need animations, but a bouncing head of whoever is talking would be nice, maybe some subtitles to
Great video but aizen still wins. Kyoka Suigetsu will effect madaras clone even if they exist on a different plain of existence for the fact that aizen used it on shinji first back in the soul society years ago and even when shinji left the sould society back to the living realm he was still under Kyoka Suigetsu even though he’s in a different plain of existence so if madara was hit by Kyoka Suigetsu so would his limbo clones.
Also Kyoka Suigetsu can’t be broken out of unless aizen breaks u out of it like with yhwach when he noticed his reality was messed up. And Kyoka Suigetsu effects all 5 senses so let’s say madara sharingan or rinnegan can see past aizens illusion well then his other 4 senses would still be tricked believing something else. It’s a perfect illusion so nothing madara can do to escape.
What. Ok so, shinji got hit by it while he and Aizen were in the same realm, THEN he moved. That doesn't prove that Aizen can kyoka suigetsu someone that's in a different realm then him, just that it doesn't cancel when they travel realms. Not the same thing
@@polarwind1097 If you see it, even for a second, regardless of what plane you're on, you're affected. Now this is compounded by the fact that Aizen as of TYBW has his zanpakuto merged into his body, so now just glancing at Aizen will now place you under Kyoka Suigetsu.
@@polarwind1097 there actually a Hadō that hides you in a separate plain of existence also another one with existence erasure
Madara can't even break out of it since it's a hypnotic hax that effects you greatly on a mental level and Madara has only ever broken physical illusions
@@mclovin5109 reiatsu barrier says otherwise
Am i hallucinating, or does the excuse "you don't know the lore" shines brighter in bleach debates?
They need to mention that Aizen is a Thigh Man
Let’s be real Aizen will win also claim your here before an hour ticket here
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