“They didn’t tell Coco about Sori’s debut, because they didn’t tell Sori about Coco’s debut. They emphasized they weren’t obligated to share artist news with one another.” There are at least 10 things wrong with that statement.
Why ? I mean if I was working as a duo for a long time I’m expecting to hear news/info from my team mate rather than my company so I understand that coco was dumbfounded when she hear the news but idk everyone wasn’t good at communicating…
.....Why? If it's their solo work and it wouldn't affect the duo why are they obligated to share it? Shouldn't my teammate let me know if they want to?
@@no.6377 cause you’re on a team with that person and if they don’t tell you something as important as solo projects, it feels shady and secretive. Even the company was being shady. They’re on a team, not competing. They should be updated on one another cuz it affects the both of them: their schedules, their time, their friendship, etc.
@@ina3516 uhm no. atleast in a corporate which they are in. You cannot hear anything about a colleague's promotion in a job tho same with this one but yeah, something still wrong about it.
Coco was very bitter during the whole thing but she would always fail to mention that her company paid for her whole debut, no crowd funding AND she solo debuted first. They also both auditioned for different programs at the same time and Coco failed hers. She got a fair chance and even got her solo debut first, she just didn't do well so her company shifted focus to Sori because Sori was bringing them more money. But Coco technically was favored first, she just didn't produce any results.
Her frustration is understandable but hating on Sori directly to the point where youre not able to say her name is insane. Like no wonder why Sori did not want to work with her anymore. Coco never mentioned that Sori was not to blame and grouped her in the blame with the company.
I disagree. They gave Coco her chance, before Sori even and she failed to produce any results. Coco had her solo debut first, she had promotions first, and she didn't deliver any results so the attention shifted to Sori who ended up doing better. But technically, Coco had the companies attention first, they paid fully for her first single, which she always failed to mention.
Exactly! I was a huge Coco fan and followed her ALOT during this time. They definitely gave her a lot of chances and poured into her first before Sori.
i don't really know how much info is out there. but watching this video also reminded me of how BOL4 (another duo) went their own separate ways, etc. would be interesting to see you cover it sometime. as for cocosori, i supported both girls in their endeavors and perhaps in the end it was just not meant to be. i can easily see both their sides. i also admit i've just learned to be more sus of companies vs. the artist.
@@shineecrystal They really did though. OODCHILD (the artist name for the girl that left) kind of touched on how there was unfair treatment from the company and how the other part of the duo got better treatment (I think she implied it may have been due to looks(?)), but I also heard that the company didn't like ODDCHILD because she wasn't consistent in keeping up with practices and wasn't as hard as a worker (?). I just know ODDCHILD doesn't like the other girl that much anymore (even tho they were besties when the duo started), but not as bad as Coco.
Nah, she blamed the COMPANY for how they were treating Sori vs Her, and she was honest. You guys treat Kpop stars, and East Asians in general, as little dolls that have to act all cute and pretty and perfect the way you want them to. And when they break mold and get FOR REAL about what's going on, you guys get mad that the perfect bestie image you had in your head was ruined - honesty be damned. I will always prefer a real honest gritty breakdown of what's going on and how someone is feeling because of it, vs. a staged k-pop/k-media production of a statement that is overly perpared/practice - like what you saw from Sori at 17:49. At the end of the day I think they supported Sori more because she went down the generic sexy-cute theme, where Coco wanted to do a more modest/indie/close-to-cocosori type of theme, that wasn't as mainstream friendly. I blame the company at the end of the day. Too many of these companies let favoritism infect how they treat their groups **cough** YG and 2NE1 **cough** and it honestly ruins them. Which is so damn disappointing.
@@mewybee lmao, that doesn't mean you can't even do the basics for your other artists. y'all love to preach mental health and idol's mistreatment only when is your fave or something that affects you.
@@kiwi-oe9sj Yea duh but in the end she didn't control her feelings and because of that she redirected her frustration at Sori which brought her down as well. It's not Sori's fault she got more popular. Yea we can blame the company, but again the company will focus on what makes them money 🤷
she doesnt say it with hate and if u actuality had some common sense u would realize that shes just expressing frustration with the company and how they were putting more money and time into sori
@@kiwi-oe9sj she and Edward avila actually talked shit about her on comments from Sori fans. So yeah, Coco did place a lot of her frustrations directly on Sori.
I think years later I still think coco was the one that made this a problem. She was fine when she debuted first and was having comebacks but when Sori got hers after gaining some popularity it was an issue and the company was playing favorites.
@@PmsLovesPocky and that’s just the surface, She tried to paint Sori as part of the issue and Edward even went around calling Sori fake. Even now he can’t show empathy for Sori without giving a disclaimer that he does not like her… and yet all they described at the time was miscommunication from the company. They tried to shit talk Sori over something the company did.
I’m probably the only proof that Coco’s friend Edward Avila was here commenting that he didn’t like sori as a person but admitted she was a victim of the system. Also that the CEO was trash and that coco has done better after appearing in a dating show.
I followed sori for YEARS after she appeared on idol master. I sided strongly with her during that whole conflict but seeing cocos side many years later I really do see it was unfair to both of them how the company went about handling things. Communication prob would've made things much more different. I hope they can one day makeup and reunite cus quirky concepts like orange caramel never lives long enough in kpop.
ANDDDD members of 2NE1 are pushing 40 and there coming back Red velvet and members of mamamoo and Yerin of gfriend are continuing there music careers and there nearing 30 . It ain't 1st Gen or 2nd gen kpop anymore where when u hit 30 and you female u have to retire from kpop.
I remember watching Coco's vlogs all the time, and then she and Edward got nasty towards Sori and I stopped supporting them. It was shitty of Mol Ent. to not communicate that they were going to give both members a solo debut, but I don't blame them for favoring Sori. She was clearly the bigger success, which means more money for the company. Coco's social media following (at least at the time) was pretty good too so they could have capitalized on that.
Coco's feelings are valid, the company caused all the chaos. however she mixed things up and started straight up hating on Sori because of jealousy and miscommunication. Sori had no control over anything. the whole stream and Edward avila thing is messed up, she's acting really messy as if Sori was some kind of monster. weird course of action
omg finally!! thanks a lot for talking about CocoSori ❤️ Pd: I feel that what happen with them is similar to Fiestar in a way 😢 the lack in communication played a big role... Anyways, I wish the best for both of the girls! support them in their new path *wink wink
obviously its the company's mismanagement that was the cause. but coco's behaviour was another problem. she shouldve taken sori's name out of her mouth when she had the chance
I understand Coco's feelings but from a professional perspective the smartest move was to give Sori a solo debut because of her popularity, not to mention Coco had her solo debut already and Sori didn't make a whole deal about it lol, the company just had to talk things out with them. The whole thing could've been avoided very easily, it's sad how things had to end that way, even after all these years I stand by Sori's side, Coco didn't use the best words to express herself due to jealousy blinding her, and as I can see from her friend Edward's comment they're still bitter about it which tells you a lot. I'll love sugarcake and touch forever though, amazing songs made by amazing talented women.
ngl coco sounded way too entitled, so naturally, after costing the company so much and being such a pain to deal with (demands, unprofessionalism), it's unsurprising that they would focus their budget and plans on sori instead. she brought all that onto herself.
I like Coco because of her personality and the fact that she displays what it's like to be a kpop idol (back when I watch her videos). Despite what happened, I didn't take sides because I understood both Coco and Sori's perspectives. At the end, I'm glad the two of them did end up being happy with the path they have chose to go.
Thank you for this DD. I tried really hard to be a fan of CocoSori, Coco and Sori. It was always obvious that we knew at most 1% of what was going on. Secondarily, “Initial-S” was insanely good. Knowing she was determined that it absolutely was her last song, I watched it like “But. But. Aw!”
To be honest I think both perspectives are beyond valid but the way they handled it probably could’ve been better but despite that I hope they would follow their own dreams and stuff 😊
i was around when this whole mess happened, i really liked sori's music and also looked up coco's debut but it wasnt really my style. i 100% understand why coco was mad and it was for a good reason, but the way she would solely blame sori for it, trying to smear her name and make it seem like she was at fault for what happened was soooo wrong and uncalled for.
Omggg (I’m so early for once) back then I saw that they had split up in a messy way and that Sori had that song that I liked (touch, super fun, and glamour concept in the middle of cute concepts back then) but I couldn’t for the life of me focus or understand Cocosori situation
Sugar Cake was one of my intros to kpop and is one of my favoritie songs, and as well as that, Touch is another amazing song. This whole situation is so sad
From a business persoective I would support sori too. They're actually a perfect duo. Coco has the popular visual and personality and sori has the drive to survive the industry. Although the company is always the problem, I feel like the company was still supporting her. Sori was passing all her auditions but they still giving her solos. After mixnine, they had their comeback and the company sees that sori suits mature concepts. I think jealousy is part of the industry but the most successful ones just accepts it and bides for their time. This not telling the other their solos feels like the standard procedure, sori was probably advised not to tell coco. They knew they're gonna spend more and push sori more. And it's gonna cause friction. I feel like coco just doesn't suit being in the industry.
So she essentially is saying "because I didn't get this, Sori shouldn't of gotten this either." in reference to the amount spent on solo debut. Despite the fact that she got to do a solo debut first, and that Sori was more popular. Sori brought more revenue into the company, that's why they were focusing on her. Coco seems like a really jealous person. It's like the people who complain about debt forgiveness "if i had to suffer, so should you" when you could just be happy that someone doesn't have to suffer. If Sori had debuted first before Coco, she would've probably had the same budget, but because she debuted after her popularity spike, they would've obviously had more money to fund Sori's with because of her own work making them profit. Coco clearly didn't make enough profit for them to spend time on her career. While yeah that is favoritism, it's not uncommon, and it literally makes sense. If coco wasn't popular and earning them money why would they waste money on funding a career that is costing them money and not making a profit. It sucks but from a business standpoint it's very obvious. And yes, the company should've been 100% transparent and communicated better, but to me it seems like Coco would've probably found some way to be jealous at the end of the day. There are plenty of instances in kpop where there is unequal treatment, yet the members go on their way and don't spew hate about the more popular member because they're jealous, Coco did not handle her emotions well at all, in my opinion. Just the way she says "HER" gives me the ick, it literally SOUNDS jealous the way she says it.
I had never heard of these artists before, but I will definitely check out the music! Suggestion for future video: Blackswan! They have a very lengthy history, and have changed almost all of their members iirc. Each of their current members has a very interesting, personal story! Second suggestion: Billlie! This is a very distinctive group that really stands out. at least to people who are paying attention. They deserve more publicity. Thank you very much for this well researched video! Hopefully both girls are thriving in the environments they have chosen! 🙏😻🌟
Ngl anyone would be jealous if they were in her shoes but we have to look at it in a business perspective, Sori is more profitable than Coco. She passed YG's audition gathered fans from Mixnine. While Coco is not as famous. Which would you choose to promote more? We look at two employees, one deserves the promotion and they got it, while the other is mad they didn't get promoted. I gotta say Sori deserves it because based on just her talent, she worked harder than Coco. The company would be dumb to invest in Coco when she doesn't have as much talent and fans as Sori. Just being honest. Though I hoped Sori switched companies after Mixnine, the sexy concept didn't really suit her.
There was favoritism. The company saw Sori as more profitable so they put all their efforts on her. It happens quite a lot in this industry especially the company is small with limited funds. Since the start, the duo wasn't profitable so the company tested out different things to work out the situation. Coco's songs was ok but it wasn't as striking as Sori's. Also, her popularity from mix 9 helped. If you're a small company, what would you do? Supporting the artist is a gamble. Though Coco's solo could have worked if it was promoted better but the company doesn't want to gamble the money on her.
Wasn't Coco in Blady as well? I wonder if her leaving Blady had something to do with her personality or because Blady is super underrated. Just thought it was important to mention since CoCoSori wasn't her first girl group.
Hi Midnight Theories! Ive been watching your videos since over a year now thank you for feeding us with so much content! Maybe you could talk about Pinkfantasy in a video? ❤
I love Cocosori back in the days but that's just sad that Coco went through that situation with the company and their low efforts. I get she had every right to be frustrated and hurt because of favoritism and being lied to too many times, while they push more for Sori's success but the way she went on about it and saying "HER", blaming directly towards Sori alone in such a tone might not be a good way to do it.
they were one of the first if not the first kpop group i listened to i really loved their first two singles personally and i don't blame coco at all for the way she acted bc any other person would feel the same way she did
i feel like coco was valid because their company treated them more like two solo acts rather than a duo. coco was validly angry but i think the miscommunication between the three caused coco to think sori was a monster. and i love mi amor, i still listen to it
Sori was the only professional one out of Coco and the company. She did her job well, and did not publicly air their problems. I always remember Sori for her sweet personality and trying to be kind to the others. The same can't be said for Coco who was so bitter and jealous.
The company is always wrong until proven otherwise, imo. I'm glad both are sucessful rn, and i feel so bad for Co, she didn't deserved this and it shows how kpop fans will prioritize mature looks and popularity over idols following something more personal
I think neither of the girls are to blame. Their company did handle communication poorly, however I do think that maybe if the girls communicated to eachother when they wanted to solo debut instead of their company lowkey making them compete against one another, things would've happened differently 🩷 just my thoughts on it tho. Add on: even if the company were aware on the fact that both the girls wanted their solo debut, the company should've took it upon themselves to inform both the girls that they would have different schedules due to their wants of a solo if that makes sense and plus the hypothetical costs of everything.
I don’t understand what “hostility” people are talking about here. I didn’t hear a single part in which coco blamed sori. Being jealous OF sori and being mad AT the company are two different things. And we are hating on coco why, because she was honest about her feelings? Two people can be in the right. Just because sori did nothing wrong doesn’t turn coco into a monster, please some nuance…
Also I remember that someone said that it was cheaper to release Sori's music, since the songs were already produced. But with Coco she made her songs, so, they would have to pay a producer to work with. Idk if that's true
@@fxrnxndxsq that can’t be true, because Coco making her own music means that they don’t need to pay nearly as much people. It’s the reason why SVT are such good money makers-they don’t have to give profit for the song to other people because Woozi is the person making the songs. Coco’s would’ve been cheaper
fact: idols are human 2, all of their emotions, such as jealousy, annoyance and others. They are just like us, the difference is that the make music and stream videos.
I liked both members, but it was a mess. I've always enjoyed your content. I'm looking for the ultimate Midnight Theories though as it's the 10th Anniversary of the Kpopalypse. The dismissal of Jessica from SNSD. I'd love to hear your take on this one.
I vividly remember this saga as it was unfolding several years ago. I was not a fan of this duo, more of a casual listener and I did follow both of them on Instagram, but I initially took Sori's side since I felt Coco was just jealous, petty & unprofessional. Now I can kinda see Coco's POV. I did follow Sori's music for a bit but eventually stopped. I unfollowed and unsubscribed from Coco's UA-cam channel as she now makes videos for her Korean audience, which is fine if this is the audience she's after. Sori looks to have started a clothing brand.
There was a duo called Wings who released 2 singles (Hair Short and Blossom), but they're a totally separate duo! Not sure if this is the same group you're remembering though.
Your channel looks amazing but I can't watch any of it because the fake uwu anime girl voice is too grating. I hate when that happens. I don't understand why so many girls with quality channels have to put on a fake voice. Literally nobody thinks it's cute
Their concept was never child friendly in my opinion. Even the dark cicle song wasnt child friendly. It wasnt ovey sexual but it had a weird fetish like undertone. Lixking brocoli, making out with the broccoli man, wesring plastic skin tight outfit and high heels. In coco sugar cake song it had lyerics like livk the cream off your face and i the rap the guy said livk the plate. Its not explicit but it has sexual undertone. How is it child friendly? Maybe they meant false innocent or not obviously sexual like Sori Touch were in the music video shes in a red swim suit.
“They didn’t tell Coco about Sori’s debut, because they didn’t tell Sori about Coco’s debut. They emphasized they weren’t obligated to share artist news with one another.”
There are at least 10 things wrong with that statement.
Why ? I mean if I was working as a duo for a long time I’m expecting to hear news/info from my team mate rather than my company so I understand that coco was dumbfounded when she hear the news but idk everyone wasn’t good at communicating…
.....Why? If it's their solo work and it wouldn't affect the duo why are they obligated to share it? Shouldn't my teammate let me know if they want to?
@@no.6377 knowing the promotions your teammate is gonna have affects her, because she could be expecting a duo comeback tho
@@no.6377 cause you’re on a team with that person and if they don’t tell you something as important as solo projects, it feels shady and secretive. Even the company was being shady. They’re on a team, not competing. They should be updated on one another cuz it affects the both of them: their schedules, their time, their friendship, etc.
@@ina3516 uhm no. atleast in a corporate which they are in. You cannot hear anything about a colleague's promotion in a job tho same with this one but yeah, something still wrong about it.
Coco’s jealousy was 100% valid, it’s just the way she handled those feelings that was problematic
Jealousy is an emotion for lesser animals, it's not valid in the slightest
@@msnicotiana that’s…. an inhumane take
@@msnicotiana , it seems like you were always the privileged one.
@@msnicotiana This is the most pretentious and edgiest thing I have read today. Congrats.
I do not agree.
Coco was very bitter during the whole thing but she would always fail to mention that her company paid for her whole debut, no crowd funding AND she solo debuted first. They also both auditioned for different programs at the same time and Coco failed hers. She got a fair chance and even got her solo debut first, she just didn't do well so her company shifted focus to Sori because Sori was bringing them more money. But Coco technically was favored first, she just didn't produce any results.
Her frustration is understandable but hating on Sori directly to the point where youre not able to say her name is insane. Like no wonder why Sori did not want to work with her anymore. Coco never mentioned that Sori was not to blame and grouped her in the blame with the company.
THIS! The ways she's like "Her. 😒" SHE HAS A NAME AND ITS KIM SORI
I understand that they wanted to capitalize on Sori's popularity but they clearly didn't care about Coco and I think she had a right to be upset.
Yeah, I think her feelings are valid however we cannot blame Sori here since she's also working like her.
I disagree. They gave Coco her chance, before Sori even and she failed to produce any results. Coco had her solo debut first, she had promotions first, and she didn't deliver any results so the attention shifted to Sori who ended up doing better. But technically, Coco had the companies attention first, they paid fully for her first single, which she always failed to mention.
Exactly! I was a huge Coco fan and followed her ALOT during this time. They definitely gave her a lot of chances and poured into her first before Sori.
i don't really know how much info is out there. but watching this video also reminded me of how BOL4 (another duo) went their own separate ways, etc. would be interesting to see you cover it sometime. as for cocosori, i supported both girls in their endeavors and perhaps in the end it was just not meant to be. i can easily see both their sides. i also admit i've just learned to be more sus of companies vs. the artist.
YESS
but for what I know BOL4 is a very different situation. specially because BOL4 is still a thing, it's not that they both went solo
@@shineecrystal They really did though. OODCHILD (the artist name for the girl that left) kind of touched on how there was unfair treatment from the company and how the other part of the duo got better treatment (I think she implied it may have been due to looks(?)), but I also heard that the company didn't like ODDCHILD because she wasn't consistent in keeping up with practices and wasn't as hard as a worker (?). I just know ODDCHILD doesn't like the other girl that much anymore (even tho they were besties when the duo started), but not as bad as Coco.
I understand it's the company's fault, but the way Coco blamed sori always rubbed me the wrong way.
exactlyyyyy
Nah, she blamed the COMPANY for how they were treating Sori vs Her, and she was honest. You guys treat Kpop stars, and East Asians in general, as little dolls that have to act all cute and pretty and perfect the way you want them to. And when they break mold and get FOR REAL about what's going on, you guys get mad that the perfect bestie image you had in your head was ruined - honesty be damned.
I will always prefer a real honest gritty breakdown of what's going on and how someone is feeling because of it, vs. a staged k-pop/k-media production of a statement that is overly perpared/practice - like what you saw from Sori at 17:49.
At the end of the day I think they supported Sori more because she went down the generic sexy-cute theme, where Coco wanted to do a more modest/indie/close-to-cocosori type of theme, that wasn't as mainstream friendly.
I blame the company at the end of the day. Too many of these companies let favoritism infect how they treat their groups **cough** YG and 2NE1 **cough** and it honestly ruins them. Which is so damn disappointing.
@@AmberSweetPea It made more sense to support Sori since she gained a fandom cus of MIXNINE lol
@@mewybee lmao, that doesn't mean you can't even do the basics for your other artists. y'all love to preach mental health and idol's mistreatment only when is your fave or something that affects you.
Did she though? she keeps mentioning how the company is favoring Sori over her, I didn't notice as much about Sori herself?
Company will invest in individuals who brings them money. Sori was victim too but coco was too jealous to see that.
equally she can still be upset about it shes not a robot that doesnt have thoughts or feelings
@@kiwi-oe9sj No one said that?
@@kiwi-oe9sj Yea duh
but in the end she didn't control her feelings and because of that she redirected her frustration at Sori which brought her down as well. It's not Sori's fault she got more popular. Yea we can blame the company, but again the company will focus on what makes them money
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@@kiwi-oe9sjwhy u saying that coco’s release were more expensive than sori lmao
How was Sori a victim?
The way touch was sooooo ahead of the drum & bass/garage trends 😂😂 Sori will always be that girl
istg and I'm still baffled that that song hasn't gotten rollin' typa treatment 😔😔✊🏻
Touch is one of the best kpop songs by soloist. Wish Sori got more recognition.
The way coco says "HER" with so much hate is really telling
she doesnt say it with hate and if u actuality had some common sense u would realize that shes just expressing frustration with the company and how they were putting more money and time into sori
@@kiwi-oe9sj she and Edward avila actually talked shit about her on comments from Sori fans. So yeah, Coco did place a lot of her frustrations directly on Sori.
@@kiwi-oe9sj that’s an opinion. Maybe learn how to speak English before defending someone.
@@calycalswoah you’re so rude! That person’s English is fine!
@@calycalskinda racist
I know coco's words were harsh and it's not sori's fault, but her feelings are beyond valid... Love both of the girls both independent and together
I think years later I still think coco was the one that made this a problem. She was fine when she debuted first and was having comebacks but when Sori got hers after gaining some popularity it was an issue and the company was playing favorites.
@@PmsLovesPocky and that’s just the surface, She tried to paint Sori as part of the issue and Edward even went around calling Sori fake. Even now he can’t show empathy for Sori without giving a disclaimer that he does not like her… and yet all they described at the time was miscommunication from the company. They tried to shit talk Sori over something the company did.
@@SpudhutCXrep honestly I’m not surprised because Edward is also a horrible person.
@@PmsLovesPockywho is Edward? Edward Cullen?
@@thissitescertifiedhousecat8107edward avila. That UA-camrs
@@thissitescertifiedhousecat8107 he’s a youtuber. He left a comment on this video.
Drama aside Mi Amor, Sugarcake, and Touch is one of the best musical release streak in K-Pop. Just undeniable bops back to back to back.
So true oml
I'm thinking Sori got a lot more money from production and stuff because she did really good in Mixnine and they knew they would get money back.
I’m probably the only proof that Coco’s friend Edward Avila was here commenting that he didn’t like sori as a person but admitted she was a victim of the system. Also that the CEO was trash and that coco has done better after appearing in a dating show.
Oop I just realized he deleted it.
lol jk I found it
I followed sori for YEARS after she appeared on idol master. I sided strongly with her during that whole conflict but seeing cocos side many years later I really do see it was unfair to both of them how the company went about handling things. Communication prob would've made things much more different. I hope they can one day makeup and reunite cus quirky concepts like orange caramel never lives long enough in kpop.
girl they're in their mid 30s at this point, let it go
ANDDDD
members of 2NE1 are pushing 40 and there coming back
Red velvet and members of mamamoo and Yerin of gfriend are continuing there music careers and there nearing 30 . It ain't 1st Gen or 2nd gen kpop anymore where when u hit 30 and you female u have to retire from kpop.
Hope they will work out on the remix
@@moonsigil 33 and 34 is still early 30s and age has nothing to do with it unless your ageist or something lol.
@@honeyfaerie5363 that's not the point. they've long since moved on with their lives. you should too.
It happen in many groups ,they act like they get along for the Camera ,but off camera they just co workers ..
I remember watching Coco's vlogs all the time, and then she and Edward got nasty towards Sori and I stopped supporting them. It was shitty of Mol Ent. to not communicate that they were going to give both members a solo debut, but I don't blame them for favoring Sori. She was clearly the bigger success, which means more money for the company. Coco's social media following (at least at the time) was pretty good too so they could have capitalized on that.
The constant use of “Her” is telling me everything I need to know
I didn’t realize how much coco looks like momo’s long lost extra sister
Yeah!
Coco's feelings are valid, the company caused all the chaos. however she mixed things up and started straight up hating on Sori because of jealousy and miscommunication. Sori had no control over anything. the whole stream and Edward avila thing is messed up, she's acting really messy as if Sori was some kind of monster. weird course of action
Maybe Sori was behind the scene.
@@WallFlower08 small idols don't have that power
omg finally!! thanks a lot for talking about CocoSori ❤️
Pd: I feel that what happen with them is similar to Fiestar in a way 😢 the lack in communication played a big role... Anyways, I wish the best for both of the girls! support them in their new path *wink wink
obviously its the company's mismanagement that was the cause. but coco's behaviour was another problem. she shouldve taken sori's name out of her mouth when she had the chance
I understand Coco's feelings but from a professional perspective the smartest move was to give Sori a solo debut because of her popularity, not to mention Coco had her solo debut already and Sori didn't make a whole deal about it lol, the company just had to talk things out with them.
The whole thing could've been avoided very easily, it's sad how things had to end that way, even after all these years I stand by Sori's side, Coco didn't use the best words to express herself due to jealousy blinding her, and as I can see from her friend Edward's comment they're still bitter about it which tells you a lot.
I'll love sugarcake and touch forever though, amazing songs made by amazing talented women.
ngl coco sounded way too entitled, so naturally, after costing the company so much and being such a pain to deal with (demands, unprofessionalism), it's unsurprising that they would focus their budget and plans on sori instead. she brought all that onto herself.
I like Coco because of her personality and the fact that she displays what it's like to be a kpop idol (back when I watch her videos).
Despite what happened, I didn't take sides because I understood both Coco and Sori's perspectives. At the end, I'm glad the two of them did end up being happy with the path they have chose to go.
This exactly
100%
yeah, i agree. i still keep up with them both every now and then to see what they’re up to/how they are
@@accioyoongican your tell me what both of them currently doing right now?
Im such a huge Sori fan so im super excited for this video
K-pop idols who are twitch streamers always end in disaster
Ryu Sera of 9 Muses streamed on Twitch but I don't remember hearing any controversy.
that day6 member?
@@kordact isn't he part of dive studios 🤢🤢
@@YHelloThereOldSport What happened with Dive Studios?
@@YHelloThereOldSportno he left before leaving Day6.
Coco's feelings were valid but she projected the anger and hate to the wrong person
I don’t think coco should have spoke so candidly about her frustrations with her company, it would only make you look bad.
what are u, a knet
Thank you for this DD. I tried really hard to be a fan of CocoSori, Coco and Sori. It was always obvious that we knew at most 1% of what was going on.
Secondarily, “Initial-S” was insanely good. Knowing she was determined that it absolutely was her last song, I watched it like “But. But. Aw!”
To be honest I think both perspectives are beyond valid but the way they handled it probably could’ve been better but despite that I hope they would follow their own dreams and stuff 😊
I was checking your channel earlier today, and here it is, a new video!
Thanks for your hard work ^^
i was around when this whole mess happened, i really liked sori's music and also looked up coco's debut but it wasnt really my style.
i 100% understand why coco was mad and it was for a good reason, but the way she would solely blame sori for it, trying to smear her name and make it seem like she was at fault for what happened was soooo wrong and uncalled for.
Touch gets a lot of attention for Sori but I am not Alone is one of my favorite songs. Very powerful.
Omggg (I’m so early for once) back then I saw that they had split up in a messy way and that Sori had that song that I liked (touch, super fun, and glamour concept in the middle of cute concepts back then) but I couldn’t for the life of me focus or understand Cocosori situation
Oh midnight theories how I love your commentary ❤
The choke hold touch had on me was insane
Sugar Cake was one of my intros to kpop and is one of my favoritie songs, and as well as that, Touch is another amazing song. This whole situation is so sad
From a business persoective I would support sori too. They're actually a perfect duo. Coco has the popular visual and personality and sori has the drive to survive the industry. Although the company is always the problem, I feel like the company was still supporting her. Sori was passing all her auditions but they still giving her solos. After mixnine, they had their comeback and the company sees that sori suits mature concepts. I think jealousy is part of the industry but the most successful ones just accepts it and bides for their time. This not telling the other their solos feels like the standard procedure, sori was probably advised not to tell coco. They knew they're gonna spend more and push sori more. And it's gonna cause friction. I feel like coco just doesn't suit being in the industry.
So she essentially is saying "because I didn't get this, Sori shouldn't of gotten this either." in reference to the amount spent on solo debut. Despite the fact that she got to do a solo debut first, and that Sori was more popular. Sori brought more revenue into the company, that's why they were focusing on her. Coco seems like a really jealous person. It's like the people who complain about debt forgiveness "if i had to suffer, so should you" when you could just be happy that someone doesn't have to suffer. If Sori had debuted first before Coco, she would've probably had the same budget, but because she debuted after her popularity spike, they would've obviously had more money to fund Sori's with because of her own work making them profit. Coco clearly didn't make enough profit for them to spend time on her career. While yeah that is favoritism, it's not uncommon, and it literally makes sense. If coco wasn't popular and earning them money why would they waste money on funding a career that is costing them money and not making a profit. It sucks but from a business standpoint it's very obvious. And yes, the company should've been 100% transparent and communicated better, but to me it seems like Coco would've probably found some way to be jealous at the end of the day. There are plenty of instances in kpop where there is unequal treatment, yet the members go on their way and don't spew hate about the more popular member because they're jealous, Coco did not handle her emotions well at all, in my opinion. Just the way she says "HER" gives me the ick, it literally SOUNDS jealous the way she says it.
Sori’s Touch remains on heavy replay to this day! Grossly underrated BOP 💖
I had never heard of these artists before, but I will definitely check out the music!
Suggestion for future video: Blackswan! They have a very lengthy history, and have changed almost all of their members iirc.
Each of their current members has a very interesting, personal story!
Second suggestion: Billlie! This is a very distinctive group that really stands out. at least to people who are paying attention. They deserve more publicity.
Thank you very much for this well researched video! Hopefully both girls are thriving in the environments they have chosen! 🙏😻🌟
Ngl anyone would be jealous if they were in her shoes but we have to look at it in a business perspective, Sori is more profitable than Coco. She passed YG's audition gathered fans from Mixnine. While Coco is not as famous. Which would you choose to promote more?
We look at two employees, one deserves the promotion and they got it, while the other is mad they didn't get promoted. I gotta say Sori deserves it because based on just her talent, she worked harder than Coco. The company would be dumb to invest in Coco when she doesn't have as much talent and fans as Sori. Just being honest.
Though I hoped Sori switched companies after Mixnine, the sexy concept didn't really suit her.
They literally gave her a chance but she was a failure so they turned around to invest in Sori
yess another vid!! i've got snacks reaady! ^^
i clicked so fast when i saw cocosori thhank you sm midnight theories !!
Your back!!!
Sori has incredible songs, Touch, I’m Ready, I’m not Alone and Initial S
There was favoritism. The company saw Sori as more profitable so they put all their efforts on her. It happens quite a lot in this industry especially the company is small with limited funds. Since the start, the duo wasn't profitable so the company tested out different things to work out the situation. Coco's songs was ok but it wasn't as striking as Sori's. Also, her popularity from mix 9 helped. If you're a small company, what would you do? Supporting the artist is a gamble. Though Coco's solo could have worked if it was promoted better but the company doesn't want to gamble the money on her.
Stan Sori
I never heard of them, but this seems like it was a huge mess.
CocoSori are just the same as Bolbbalgan4.
Wasn't Coco in Blady as well? I wonder if her leaving Blady had something to do with her personality or because Blady is super underrated. Just thought it was important to mention since CoCoSori wasn't her first girl group.
I had understood that she left Blady because the company didn't promot them enough.
@@HugoSubs Ahh ok that's a good point. I had no idea. Thank you for letting me know
Wasn’t Soobeanie in that group as well?
Hi Midnight Theories! Ive been watching your videos since over a year now thank you for feeding us with so much content! Maybe you could talk about Pinkfantasy in a video? ❤
no way she just said that exquisite missed the mark by a mile....
I feel so bad for coco omg.. i didn’t even know cocosori was a group - before this vid, I thought that SoRi was always a solo artist
Yay more content from you!
yayyy you’re back! :D
Coco seems very immature at that time unlike Sori
Oh yeees you are back
I love Cocosori back in the days but that's just sad that Coco went through that situation with the company and their low efforts. I get she had every right to be frustrated and hurt because of favoritism and being lied to too many times, while they push more for Sori's success but the way she went on about it and saying "HER", blaming directly towards Sori alone in such a tone might not be a good way to do it.
omg I still listen to their music to this day. This is crazy
they were one of the first if not the first kpop group i listened to i really loved their first two singles personally and i don't blame coco at all for the way she acted bc any other person would feel the same way she did
omg i remember reading about this on prettyuglylittleliar
i feel like coco was valid because their company treated them more like two solo acts rather than a duo. coco was validly angry but i think the miscommunication between the three caused coco to think sori was a monster. and i love mi amor, i still listen to it
Sori was the only professional one out of Coco and the company. She did her job well, and did not publicly air their problems. I always remember Sori for her sweet personality and trying to be kind to the others.
The same can't be said for Coco who was so bitter and jealous.
your intro is so lit 🔥🔥🔥
The company is always wrong until proven otherwise, imo. I'm glad both are sucessful rn, and i feel so bad for Co, she didn't deserved this and it shows how kpop fans will prioritize mature looks and popularity over idols following something more personal
I think behind the scenes a lot of idols express these kind of thoughts. Must be hard to have to compete with colleagues all the time
I think neither of the girls are to blame. Their company did handle communication poorly, however I do think that maybe if the girls communicated to eachother when they wanted to solo debut instead of their company lowkey making them compete against one another, things would've happened differently 🩷 just my thoughts on it tho.
Add on: even if the company were aware on the fact that both the girls wanted their solo debut, the company should've took it upon themselves to inform both the girls that they would have different schedules due to their wants of a solo if that makes sense and plus the hypothetical costs of everything.
I don’t understand what “hostility” people are talking about here. I didn’t hear a single part in which coco blamed sori. Being jealous OF sori and being mad AT the company are two different things. And we are hating on coco why, because she was honest about her feelings? Two people can be in the right. Just because sori did nothing wrong doesn’t turn coco into a monster, please some nuance…
Thank you for telling their story😔
그건 정말 너무 나쁘하게.. 그것들의 두 소녀들의 문제 있습니다.. 하지만 그래 너를 여전히 코코소리 너무 가난한 했습니다
Companies arent charity organisations. They will invest into the member that makes more money. And that was sori
They should invest in all their idols though, if they don't want an idol they could just end their contracts
Yep.
Also I remember that someone said that it was cheaper to release Sori's music, since the songs were already produced. But with Coco she made her songs, so, they would have to pay a producer to work with. Idk if that's true
@@fxrnxndxsq that can’t be true, because Coco making her own music means that they don’t need to pay nearly as much people. It’s the reason why SVT are such good money makers-they don’t have to give profit for the song to other people because Woozi is the person making the songs. Coco’s would’ve been cheaper
fact: idols are human 2, all of their emotions, such as jealousy, annoyance and others. They are just like us, the difference is that the make music and stream videos.
If the Korean industry cut out this training bs and actually let groups develop organically, maybe this kind of drama wouldn't cost them money
They don’t even make it, and already disbanded 😂😂😂😂
Sori is soooo sweet i love her, it wasn't her fault. Coco was being lowkey nasty to her tbh, like a small child
I love your videos smm
I liked both members, but it was a mess. I've always enjoyed your content. I'm looking for the ultimate Midnight Theories though as it's the 10th Anniversary of the Kpopalypse. The dismissal of Jessica from SNSD. I'd love to hear your take on this one.
MY ROMAN EMPIRE OMG
touch being my fave song ever oh sori u will always be that girl
I JUST realized this is Coco from the dating show Exchange 😂
I vividly remember this saga as it was unfolding several years ago. I was not a fan of this duo, more of a casual listener and I did follow both of them on Instagram, but I initially took Sori's side since I felt Coco was just jealous, petty & unprofessional. Now I can kinda see Coco's POV. I did follow Sori's music for a bit but eventually stopped. I unfollowed and unsubscribed from Coco's UA-cam channel as she now makes videos for her Korean audience, which is fine if this is the audience she's after. Sori looks to have started a clothing brand.
Well her pov doesn’t change the fact that she still was jealous petty and unprofessional
I never forget seeing Sori showcasing her swimsuits in her yt channel
Ew she's one of those??
cocosori mentioned
Ah yes, I remember this
i remember coco from her soompi days xD
PINK LADY MENTIONED
hey they kinda look familiar... did they sing "wings" or am i remembering another duo.
There was a duo called Wings who released 2 singles (Hair Short and Blossom), but they're a totally separate duo! Not sure if this is the same group you're remembering though.
random but the voice over sounds like Nahida from genshin but deeper
This comment section is so divided, it’s really interesting
Your channel looks amazing but I can't watch any of it because the fake uwu anime girl voice is too grating. I hate when that happens. I don't understand why so many girls with quality channels have to put on a fake voice. Literally nobody thinks it's cute
coco is so annoying
Oh no, this ain't gonna be good. 😮
Their concept was never child friendly in my opinion. Even the dark cicle song wasnt child friendly. It wasnt ovey sexual but it had a weird fetish like undertone. Lixking brocoli, making out with the broccoli man, wesring plastic skin tight outfit and high heels. In coco sugar cake song it had lyerics like livk the cream off your face and i the rap the guy said livk the plate. Its not explicit but it has sexual undertone. How is it child friendly? Maybe they meant false innocent or not obviously sexual like Sori Touch were in the music video shes in a red swim suit.
To be honest they sucked both, a lot of idols from small companies flop and thats fine. Fiestar flopped and Yezi flopped too
They are often not only* just coworkers but also roommates 🫡 could add even more tension to the relationship🤷♀️
Well now they're both Khias so was it really worth it? 💀💀💀
static electricity is the best song ever