@@Iden_in_the_Rain the ariete has like 450mm in the turret in game atm, where do you get 560 from? If it actually had 560 it wouldnt be completely useless armour (like it is, so called light tank MBT)
@@NotOlzen it’s got 408mm on the turret, and 271mm on the hull currently. The non-WAR Arietes should have 490mm KE + 890mm CE in the turret, 470mm KE + 780mm CE in the hull; and the WAR Arietes should have 570-600mm KE + 1140-1360mm CE in the turret (no change in the hull, that’s my bad)
@@sirhayden5516 not at the time when it first entered service, it was said to have similar or equivalent armour to the Leopard 2 just not the same coverage.
In response to the Commander sight question in the video--> It is a flexible metal cover that is able to be bent down to cover the incredibly expensive optic during transit, maneuvers where combat is not likely, and (what I've heard) heavy sand and dust storms. OTO has worked with Israeli firms on optic development, and a desert-type optic does exist on the AMV model that currently carries its war kit/ pso protection combo. Unfortunately, that combo vehicle does not yet exist in-game. In bocca al lupo, ragazzi!
To be honest the Ariete getting a 5s reload can barelly be considered a buff at this point, every other manually loaded top tier MBT other than the Leopard got it, this was more a nerf to the Leopard than anything else and also to the Challenger by proxy (poor guy lost it's only redeeming quality)
@@warthunderclipper The chally used to be the only manually loaded MBT with a 5 second reload. It has now lost that. How is the ERA kit the best part, at this point pretty much all nations have a PSO kitted tank with ERA add on kits on the sides.
@@warthunderclipper It has 50mm of kenetic protection, it will stop some autocannons maybe, but its no relikt. I mean, he talked about the chally loosings its unique redeeming quality that was the 5 sec manual reload compared to the others 6+ seconds and higher. So mentioning ERA in that context makes me assume we are still discussing unique features of the challys. They are also not the only tanks with APS at top tier anymore. Like he said, giving the challys few redeeming qualities to other tanks.
The Ariete and Merkava reloads feel so good its kind of nice little people play them but you are right about getting stuck with USA often. The problem with Abrams how often the horizontal drive gets hit along with the 1 death players
@@IceAxe1940 they still didn't put the real armour of chally 2s, they did updated it but they aren't as survivable as the Abrams nor their real counterpart
Could you maybe do a talking head video making some predictions (Not including the devblogs already released) on what else could come in the next update?
I think the reason you lose with USA on your team is because of the astonishing lack of accuracy put into the Abram’s. Reload times are sub 6 seconds IRL just to qualify to be a loader in the tank.
I hate that if they don't know how to balance w vehicle they buff the reload. Not even counting the problems of everything having a 5s reload. Especially if you consider the retarded amount of factors that'd prevent that from being easy for a loader too -vehicle in motion -turret in motion -rough terrain -exhaustion (tho tbh a ace crew the loader should be John Cena) Realistically you'd get that 5s reload almost stationary or on none rough terrain
somehow same for me, I think its due to if you play italy for a while you get used to the light and maneuverable tanks but when you go to the sluggish 2a7 you aren't used to it and you end up dying because of mobility issues
due to the geography of italy, i think its fair to compare the needs and design of the ariete's to the japanese mbts, due to arguably, what is probably the most comparable geographic issues
Even in comparison to Japan, Italian designs fail to meet the same standard. The Type 90 in most ways easily outclasses the Ariete C1, it is 4 tons lighter while retaining better hull and turret protection against KE and HEAT muntions, at its introduction the gun systems were on par if not slightly favoring the Type 90 with the autoloader in speed but favoring the manual loading for maintanence in the ariete. The Type 90 has better mobility with 7 more hp/t, and is about $2 million cheaper per unit to produce. Producing their own MBT made some sense if they wanted to export it, but no one wanted it, so they essentially abandoned armor divisions in most regards, maintaining only small ones and relying on not being a frontline NATO nation geographically. Theyve expressed interest in Leopard 2A8 tanks, but never would agree on what configuration they wanted so the Germans walked from the deal.
Actually, I think right now Germany’s rank seven win rate is suffering until people stop grinding the boxer. It’s no fun at all when they all one death leave.
The name of the guy that you ended up getting anyway... Seeing it this many times in the video made me chuckle, that's WT for you. Glad the Ariete got slightly buffed though, especially that that's the only branch in the TT that I didn't complete yet. Nice vid as always!
ICO is the biggest point of contention it aimed to slow down infantry combat by making you have to move slower to keep your gun stable but it definitely was overturned when first introduced
@@IceAxe1940 that’s why they admitted they modeled the turret ring wrong 10 months ago? It’s literally the biggest weak spot top tier tank lol. Chinas win rate is better 💀. My point is the turret ring irl is 400-500mm thick, in the game it’s like 50 on purpose cause Russian biad
@@squidy4082 its not even remotely close to 500mm, when most reports give it to at best 250mm, it's still a turret ring. Abrams winrates are mostly tied to premium spam
@ you can say mostly but the fact is the turret is too high compared to irl exposing the bad model of the ring which they admitted is wrong 10 months ago lol, it would still help, it’s not 51mm irl though. They made that weak spot on purpose
It's nice to see Italy getting so much love lately, would like to see Italy get Spanish Leo 2s some time soon like the 2E just to increase its stock value further!
Why are US mains like that not pushing sitting in the same spot the entire game I don't get it it's making my grind a lot harder it's not much of a problem in mid tier but top tier 9.0+br like what happenes?
Still much better reaction time than Russia/Chinese top tier MBTs. Turret Traverse and Gun Elevation speeds + 5s reload are all the matters on top tier.
Armour is important as well and the Ariete has non of that. If I need to think a second when shooting leopards or t80s it could make the difference between life and death tbh. Even the shitty armour on the type 10 has saved my ass a bunch of times. Gun handling and reload speed is important too but it's not everything imo.
L'ITALIA NUMERO UNO 💪💪🇭🇺🇭🇺🇭🇺 - Leopard 2A7 BEST TANK - Dardo BEST IFV - Freccia BEST SPIKE RAT TANK - AV-8B BEST CAS - OTOMATIC BEST SPAA IN KILLING TANKS - Centauro BEST WHEELED TANK
Map slicing is the single dumbest thing they could have done to maps. The already tiny maps just got smaller without any reasoning. Why make a map and then completly block a part of it? If maps were more realistic specially for top tier you would not need to block out areas of the map to prevent power positions and spawncamping from the center of the map. In theor battle to fight spawncamping they only make spawncsmping more of a priority for players that already did it intentionaly.
@@JustinPlaysTV he probably refer to Squad's infantry gunplay overhaul update last year when you mentioned you used to play Squad before it turned into crap to you in the video. The update is a bit controversial since it kinda "split" the playerbase.
Gaijins map team has to stop making these awful map changes like blocking flanks and hills you can be on (like on Japan or El Alamein) and making map layouts that are tiny. The tiny maps at top tier has to stop. Stuff like Port Novo and the small version of Hürtgen Forest and Ardennes still exist, while stuff like Stalingrad gets moved to be 7.7 max br.
@@User54tr t80´s are propably the easiest mbt´s to one pop in top tier. (excluding italy). i dont know why people complaining about them. they eat a shot here and there but most of the time one hit blows their turret off
Its not that its not good... most stick to Meta Nations (USA,GER,USSR) and think they are the BEST tanks.. Any tank is good if you know how to play them.. i don't play ANY meta nations. (Japan,UK,China,Italy,Swed,israel) and i have more fun as the tanks own the metas if you know how to. don't follow "This tank Suck" it only Sucks because they try to play it like the Meta tanks...
Ofc they buffed it. And now look at slowest top tier tank, with worst speed, no reverse, worst reloading, one of the worst apfsds penetration and 2nd gen thermals, worst survivability and gun vertical aiming. Yeah you guessed it right, T90M, which is on 12.0, worst in every aspect. Truly Russian bias game. They added autoloader, which you can destroy by an apfsds fragment. While tanks without autoloader still can reload all rounds in 5s, on every speed, on every surface, with any turn of the turret and the tank's sudden movement.
It’s crazy that people say Italy and the Ariete suffers. Bro like yall keep getting stuff added to the trees, have the best tank in the game, have one of the best win rates but just can’t cope. America suffers just as much as if not more. 34-40% win rate vs 70% 😂😂😂 y’all joking right?! You cant even enjoy playing America never mind the bad players and the insta one shot dead in the water Abrams. Get shot you’re pretty much dead. No gunner, commander, engine, turret drive, breach, list goes on. 😂
It’s been ten months since they’ve acknowledged that all of the Ariete’s armor is incorrect.
brother it won't change much, the ariete armor irl is dog water
@@sirhayden5516 it’ll go to 560mm KE + ~1300mm CE in the turret and 500mm KE and ~1100mm CE in the hull, iirc
@@Iden_in_the_Rain the ariete has like 450mm in the turret in game atm, where do you get 560 from? If it actually had 560 it wouldnt be completely useless armour (like it is, so called light tank MBT)
@@NotOlzen it’s got 408mm on the turret, and 271mm on the hull currently. The non-WAR Arietes should have 490mm KE + 890mm CE in the turret, 470mm KE + 780mm CE in the hull; and the WAR Arietes should have 570-600mm KE + 1140-1360mm CE in the turret (no change in the hull, that’s my bad)
@@sirhayden5516 not at the time when it first entered service, it was said to have similar or equivalent armour to the Leopard 2 just not the same coverage.
Now all Italy needs is the Centauro 2
And Draco (with APS), Grifo, Eurofighter, 2A8IT (prototype), KF51, Polyphem, VCC Dardo OWS-30, Ariete C1 Pt2 and Pt3 (with APS), OF-40 Mk3, Semovente Centauro Pegaso (B1 Centauro with 155mm), etc.
@@Iden_in_the_Rainwhoa chill there buddy, italy can get a new spaa in the next 4 patches and thats all youll get - gaijin
In response to the Commander sight question in the video-->
It is a flexible metal cover that is able to be bent down to cover the incredibly expensive optic during transit, maneuvers where combat is not likely, and (what I've heard) heavy sand and dust storms. OTO has worked with Israeli firms on optic development, and a desert-type optic does exist on the AMV model that currently carries its war kit/ pso protection combo. Unfortunately, that combo vehicle does not yet exist in-game. In bocca al lupo, ragazzi!
Or just use a tarp lol
Si, ragazzi!!!
Grazie mille, amico!@@aslatabistaalphonso4250
To be honest the Ariete getting a 5s reload can barelly be considered a buff at this point, every other manually loaded top tier MBT other than the Leopard got it, this was more a nerf to the Leopard than anything else and also to the Challenger by proxy (poor guy lost it's only redeeming quality)
As a longtime challenger player, the reload is not its only quality. The ERA kit is the best part of it.
@@warthunderclipper The chally used to be the only manually loaded MBT with a 5 second reload. It has now lost that.
How is the ERA kit the best part, at this point pretty much all nations have a PSO kitted tank with ERA add on kits on the sides.
@@NotOlzen the ERA has saved me countless times from side APFSDS, and o never said it was the only tank with ERA
@@warthunderclipper It has 50mm of kenetic protection, it will stop some autocannons maybe, but its no relikt.
I mean, he talked about the chally loosings its unique redeeming quality that was the 5 sec manual reload compared to the others 6+ seconds and higher. So mentioning ERA in that context makes me assume we are still discussing unique features of the challys. They are also not the only tanks with APS at top tier anymore.
Like he said, giving the challys few redeeming qualities to other tanks.
@@NotOlzen 50mm of kinetic? It’s saved me from DM23, DM33, and even DM43 once
You got called a hacker, that's the greatest compliment you can receive in a multiplayer game lmao
The Ariete and Merkava reloads feel so good its kind of nice little people play them but you are right about getting stuck with USA often. The problem with Abrams how often the horizontal drive gets hit along with the 1 death players
Italian fan 🙋🏻♂️
Greeting fellow Italian fan o7
Bellissimo, ragazzi! Ciao.
Hello hello
Ariete è solo per chi ha le palle 😂
@@markphantom8995 diciamo un po’ tutto l’albero italiano ahahah
There hasn't been a devblog since the PLZ-05. So that has me wondering, maybe more will come this week? Possibly even the dev stream will happen too.
They almost never release devblogs during the weekend. But I agree, dev stream will probably happen this week.
10:03 BABY TANK!!!
Ariete’s armor is so bad, it probably could get destroyed by the Baby Tank from the side…
Italian Mains here! Thanks for the recognition bro!
Apparently for some USA mains, now that we have two little spall liners we are better than the Abrams, love to see them cope
If they think the Abrams is bad in game then they wouldn't survive playing the Challenger 2s.
@@IceAxe1940 they still didn't put the real armour of chally 2s, they did updated it but they aren't as survivable as the Abrams nor their real counterpart
I am an Italian main 😅
Ciao, ragazzo. In bocca al lupo.
My condolences
20:20 “he’s just standing there MENACINGLY”
7:45 this tells you two things.
1. Ariete's armour is poopy
2. 2S38 is bias
Hi Justin, I was in the Sinai map game, great to see you, good battle buddy :)
France needs some too teir love
I love the Arietes. Lifes good as an Italy main.
My baby girl got a buff? lets gooooo
I managed to shoot down a su-25k with the boxers dm63 yesterday, ive never laughed my ass off harder at warthunder before
Could you maybe do a talking head video making some predictions (Not including the devblogs already released) on what else could come in the next update?
I'd be down for that.
Italian tank designers when making the Ariete; “MBT? I thought you said CBT.”
I think the reason you lose with USA on your team is because of the astonishing lack of accuracy put into the Abram’s. Reload times are sub 6 seconds IRL just to qualify to be a loader in the tank.
italians gasta until STRV 123 comes in
edit, AV-8B+ is indeed fun, now we just waiting for it's supersonic big brother to come
Glad u like the 5s reload rate. Too bad the chall 2 will get kicked in the face now.
I hate that if they don't know how to balance w vehicle they buff the reload. Not even counting the problems of everything having a 5s reload. Especially if you consider the retarded amount of factors that'd prevent that from being easy for a loader too
-vehicle in motion
-turret in motion
-rough terrain
-exhaustion (tho tbh a ace crew the loader should be John Cena)
Realistically you'd get that 5s reload almost stationary or on none rough terrain
Italian main here:) love this
And somehow I play better with the arietes than I do with the 2a7
somehow same for me, I think its due to if you play italy for a while you get used to the light and maneuverable tanks but when you go to the sluggish 2a7 you aren't used to it and you end up dying because of mobility issues
due to the geography of italy, i think its fair to compare the needs and design of the ariete's to the japanese mbts, due to arguably, what is probably the most comparable geographic issues
Even in comparison to Japan, Italian designs fail to meet the same standard. The Type 90 in most ways easily outclasses the Ariete C1, it is 4 tons lighter while retaining better hull and turret protection against KE and HEAT muntions, at its introduction the gun systems were on par if not slightly favoring the Type 90 with the autoloader in speed but favoring the manual loading for maintanence in the ariete. The Type 90 has better mobility with 7 more hp/t, and is about $2 million cheaper per unit to produce. Producing their own MBT made some sense if they wanted to export it, but no one wanted it, so they essentially abandoned armor divisions in most regards, maintaining only small ones and relying on not being a frontline NATO nation geographically. Theyve expressed interest in Leopard 2A8 tanks, but never would agree on what configuration they wanted so the Germans walked from the deal.
Are you planning to play the Merkavas? They also got the 5 second reload buff
I personally at Italy more for the light tanks rather than the mbt's
10:18 that abrams decor tho...
Did you just say TCG Card Shop Simulator? I bought that game the day it came out. I love that game XD
wombo combo :)
the Challenger Mk.3 and the Buccaneer S.2B with the MASSIVE aj168 missiles
Actually, I think right now Germany’s rank seven win rate is suffering until people stop grinding the boxer. It’s no fun at all when they all one death leave.
The name of the guy that you ended up getting anyway... Seeing it this many times in the video made me chuckle, that's WT for you.
Glad the Ariete got slightly buffed though, especially that that's the only branch in the TT that I didn't complete yet. Nice vid as always!
Meh, they should have fixed the armor. There is a "bug" report accepted 10 months ago and still no fix
Gaijin could take OF-40 STAB into 12.0
by simply giving it a permanent 1 second reload (fast-ready rerack)
The USA teams dont understand you have to maneuver and not camp
TCG card simulator chad player he is
ah the vehicle I always misidentify as a Challenger 2
Pretty sure the merkava’s got a 5’s reload buff
What’s your opinion on why squad has turned for the worst? Just like to hear the opinions. I love squad but haven’t played in a while
ICO is the biggest point of contention it aimed to slow down infantry combat by making you have to move slower to keep your gun stable but it definitely was overturned when first introduced
video 4 of asking for justin to play the 2s25m sprut + su-25k combo
They’ll buff this but won’t fix the bland bias that ruined the abrams
Abrams is literally one of the best top tier MBTs in the game stop complaining
@@IceAxe1940 that’s why they admitted they modeled the turret ring wrong 10 months ago? It’s literally the biggest weak spot top tier tank lol. Chinas win rate is better 💀. My point is the turret ring irl is 400-500mm thick, in the game it’s like 50 on purpose cause Russian biad
@@squidy4082 its not even remotely close to 500mm, when most reports give it to at best 250mm, it's still a turret ring.
Abrams winrates are mostly tied to premium spam
@ you can say mostly but the fact is the turret is too high compared to irl exposing the bad model of the ring which they admitted is wrong 10 months ago lol, it would still help, it’s not 51mm irl though. They made that weak spot on purpose
It's nice to see Italy getting so much love lately, would like to see Italy get Spanish Leo 2s some time soon like the 2E just to increase its stock value further!
And as a cherry on top, war and pso kit? Right gijing?
Why are US mains like that not pushing sitting in the same spot the entire game I don't get it it's making my grind a lot harder it's not much of a problem in mid tier but top tier 9.0+br like what happenes?
How a 120mm gun is loaded faster manually compared to a 105...
Still much better reaction time than Russia/Chinese top tier MBTs. Turret Traverse and Gun Elevation speeds + 5s reload are all the matters on top tier.
Armour is important as well and the Ariete has non of that. If I need to think a second when shooting leopards or t80s it could make the difference between life and death tbh. Even the shitty armour on the type 10 has saved my ass a bunch of times. Gun handling and reload speed is important too but it's not everything imo.
@@benni1015 Not really. I forgot to mention spall liners which make armor irrelevant. Every shot into a spall liner is complete roulette.
9:09 you did NOT say igla
Very pasta, much pizza👍
L'ITALIA NUMERO UNO 💪💪🇭🇺🇭🇺🇭🇺
- Leopard 2A7 BEST TANK
- Dardo BEST IFV
- Freccia BEST SPIKE RAT TANK
- AV-8B BEST CAS
- OTOMATIC BEST SPAA IN KILLING TANKS
- Centauro BEST WHEELED TANK
All German and Italian leos should be lower br. The only highest BR should be T80, S1, and Sweden leos.
Map slicing is the single dumbest thing they could have done to maps. The already tiny maps just got smaller without any reasoning.
Why make a map and then completly block a part of it? If maps were more realistic specially for top tier you would not need to block out areas of the map to prevent power positions and spawncamping from the center of the map.
In theor battle to fight spawncamping they only make spawncsmping more of a priority for players that already did it intentionaly.
May I request that you play the worst line up that you think. Thank you.
14:48 i dont even know how my round didnt get ya :(
I saw the shoots from commander optic's, although i though it that sight was not aline with the barrel? Or i wrong here? did gaijin fix it or what?
I guess merkava is the next video right?
italy neeeds a buff
can you play the merkava mk4's with the 5s reload now?
idk m8, usa stats might be cause by abrams being trash, or overpresence of clicbait and aim. and many others
So did they buff all of the top tier Ariete’s or just the AMV ? (Because god knows they all need it )
Besalio corpito!!
52 seconds 🥶
The gunsight on Arietes is all wrong, I think. It should be the same as on T-72AV. Which is VTG-120, part of TURMS. It's all Italian.
not true i dont think
Justin being anti ICO is a nice surprise
Anti ICO?
@@JustinPlaysTV he probably refer to Squad's infantry gunplay overhaul update last year when you mentioned you used to play Squad before it turned into crap to you in the video.
The update is a bit controversial since it kinda "split" the playerbase.
Still a very tank
So Rn. Are Challengers the worst top tier which is my second main c to play :c
Why does the ariete have the german shield on its butt?
Gaijins map team has to stop making these awful map changes like blocking flanks and hills you can be on (like on Japan or El Alamein) and making map layouts that are tiny.
The tiny maps at top tier has to stop. Stuff like Port Novo and the small version of Hürtgen Forest and Ardennes still exist, while stuff like Stalingrad gets moved to be 7.7 max br.
Justin why doi you think squad is bad now?
Finally not another T-80 buff
i just know you are lvl 20 or sum in wt
Just say you suck at this game 🤣🤣🤣
I can tell from this statement that you have a 0.4 or lower KD in the clickbait and are coping hard to cover up your skill issue
Lvl 75 with a full lineup and I’m just sick of the auto loader eating what should be kill shots
@@User54tr t80´s are propably the easiest mbt´s to one pop in top tier. (excluding italy). i dont know why people complaining about them. they eat a shot here and there but most of the time one hit blows their turret off
Ima japan and Italy main
Im Not ahure waht to do Guys i m done Withe the UK and i got the sqwat t 80 but i dont wana do russia so waht Nation schud i do ?
But still no fucking abrams turret ring fix…
Still no abrams fix…
US faction 100% has bots in it
I dont know what it is but some of ur shots/aim are just sus af …
Is it just me?
its good but chinese top tier is unplayable today(
because in real life 99a must have better reload, better dart armor 800mm in ufp without era but in wt china is worse than biased russian shit tanks
ah also spall liner where? in real life 99a vt4 have spall liners in wt no no only fucking german sweden and russian tanks
carro armato 🤌
can you give me your luck pls my games are so hard maybe bc im EU?
The 5s reload buff still is not enough to make me waste my time with it, and i tried, i rather stick to my merkavas
The Israeli tree is absolutely shit,and the merkavas don’t make up for it,their only redeeming quality is the air tree which is mainly USA 2.0
Its not that its not good... most stick to Meta Nations (USA,GER,USSR) and think they are the BEST tanks.. Any tank is good if you know how to play them.. i don't play ANY meta nations. (Japan,UK,China,Italy,Swed,israel) and i have more fun as the tanks own the metas if you know how to. don't follow "This tank Suck" it only Sucks because they try to play it like the Meta tanks...
First like let's gooooooooooooooooooo
3rd
First view
first :D
Ofc they buffed it.
And now look at slowest top tier tank, with worst speed, no reverse, worst reloading, one of the worst apfsds penetration and 2nd gen thermals, worst survivability and gun vertical aiming. Yeah you guessed it right, T90M, which is on 12.0, worst in every aspect.
Truly Russian bias game. They added autoloader, which you can destroy by an apfsds fragment. While tanks without autoloader still can reload all rounds in 5s, on every speed, on every surface, with any turn of the turret and the tank's sudden movement.
It’s crazy that people say Italy and the Ariete suffers. Bro like yall keep getting stuff added to the trees, have the best tank in the game, have one of the best win rates but just can’t cope. America suffers just as much as if not more. 34-40% win rate vs 70% 😂😂😂 y’all joking right?! You cant even enjoy playing America never mind the bad players and the insta one shot dead in the water Abrams. Get shot you’re pretty much dead. No gunner, commander, engine, turret drive, breach, list goes on. 😂
Winrate being higher despite its stats is not the win you're hoping for
womp womp. Skill issue, maybe try learning to play the game properly instead of trying to gun down school kids...
its been awhile to see the challenger 2E please play it