I’d recommend playing Cadence on “fixed-beat mode” which makes traversing it a piece of cake. I beat it a couple of times in that mode and it was still a lot of fun!
Where do you think it happens in relation to Echoes of Wisdom? I'd love if you did a followup video to that and also mentioned the connections between Vaati and Octavo :))
@@MarissaChillya great idea for a video. I have only briefly thought about it but initially I’m thinking Cadance is right after Echoes. The royal family has the triforce at the beginning of the game in Cadence, and I think Echoes explains how they got it
@Gabeora i think theres a lot to work with in respect to the two zora tribes after playing the game! when you make this video, you could call it "Does Cadence of Hyrule STILL fit on the Zelda Timeline? (2025)"
You make a part 2, explaining how Octavo's Ode would fit into this placement. And later, a part 3, explaining how the newly announced Symphony of the Mask dlc story fits in to this placement as well.
Maybe. I remember playing through that DLC and thinking it didn't really add or subtract from the timeline analysis. Maybe I need to rewatch the cutscene from it (there is only one extra one if I remember). And the skullkid one could be a major shift, we will have to wait and see
Actually... I didn't find this when I played the DLC, but apparently Octavo obtains an amulet that resembles Vaati's gem, and the description says something about being a family heirloom. This could make Octavo a descendant of Vaati, and thus post-four swords etc
Love this analysis. I actually do consider this canon, as well as the original Hyrule Warriors game. You should do an analysis of that game and how it fits into the timeline as well. I place it at the end of the timeline before BotW - the portals and having multiple timelines overlap is how botw has things seemingly out of each of the timeline splits.
@@the-networkIn the sense that Cadence’s universe was able to somehow interact with the universe of Zelda, kind of. Similar to how Hyrule Warriors works with the timeline. Separate universe but connects to the timeline via the plot
I have been playing CoH recently and was wondering if I could place it in the timeline we’re would it go! It fits the lore perfectly (almost) and makes many good points. Thanks a lot for answering my question!
Hey, thanks for the vid! I've been trying to figure out where CoH might take place on the timelines ever since it released. There is a theory that it takes place between OoT and A Link to the Past, but your argument is also very convincing. However, I wanted to point out something very huge that you somehow missed: time travel actually occurs within Cadence of Hyrule. The Shiek thread mistress isn't just dropping a cryptic line for no reason. When you're about to face Ganon you jump into a portal. The game specifically tells you that it is a portal into the past. When you get there, you find the Kokiri (Kokori?) Sword from OoT. I don't know what to make of this, but the only possible interpretation is that the player has traveled back before OoT or perhaps after OoT in the downfall timeline, a timeline in which Link failed to defeat Ganondorf. Some theories state that Link was defeated as a child and never obtained the Master Sword, creating the conditions that Ganondorf instead stormed the Sacred Realm with an army of followers and created the downfall timeline. The theory states that Cadence of Hyrule is actually the sealing war, sending our heroes back to seal Ganon before the events of A Link to the Past. Time travel is definitely occurring in this game, but I disagree with this theory as the Seven Sages still need to seal Ganon according to ALttP lore. Speaking of which, A Link Between Worlds confusingly gets this wrong in game because it shows us the adult timeline victory over Ganon from OoT, Link taking part in the sealing and surviving. Anyway... More time travel also occurs in CoH. I haven't played it all as DLC has since hit after I beat the game, but it reveals that Evil Octavo is actually from the future. You can now play as present day Good Octavo. If you get to Ganon's chamber as good Octavo, I think he finds his future evil self there instead and he is the end boss in Octavo's story. He specifically tells his evil self - who, I can't remember, may have defeated Ganon and be ruling over past Hyrule - that he will never become like him because he chooses to be a good person. I only know this because I watched a UA-cam video of the ending of Octavo's story. So ... the Shiek woman's comment isn't so mysterious. Ganon exists in the past and evil Octavo is from the future. Making us all even more confused on the time line placement.
i would put this game at the end of the downfall timeline shortly before the reunification of the timeline; cause there is technology and the gerudo dont return only to flee shortly after
I don't think one should ever begin timeline analysis with geography or monsters. Those things aren't consistent and usually aren't story-related. If we're trying to figure out where the story can fit, we need to first examine the story elements. So for the purposes of Cadence of Hyrule, we should start our analysis with the fact that the Triforce is not hidden in the Sacred Realm, none of the pieces are split, and a young Ganondorf who is set to become king of the Gerudo is around. And from there we can use other characters and item descriptions to narrow things down, and THEN we can move on to monsters and geography if any question remains.
Thanks for the feedback. In the video I tried to convey that geography arguments are difficult and that the triforce being outside the sacred realm and in the royal family’s possession is much more compelling. Are you saying, from a story telling standpoint I should give the strongest evidence first? In my mind I was leading up to the strongest argument
@@Gabeora I get where you're coming from. I used to do the same starting with the weaker arguments and ending with the stronger arguments (probably in large part because your audience is more likely to latch onto the ending of your argument, so you don't want to end weakly). Now, however, I think it makes more sense to start with the stronger arguments. (This is something they teach you to do in law school, but I don't think I entirely came around to preferring this style of argument presentation solely because of law school.) Especially with videos because you need to grab your audience right away and let them know that you know what you're talking about. If you start with the irrefutable, most important evidence up top, you let your audience know from the beginning that you know what you're talking about, understand the most important parts of the argument, and have a particularly compelling case for your conclusion. And that's especially important in Zelda where there are so many competing schools of thought (not to mention Nintendo allowing the competing schools of thought by outright saying that they want players to come up with the timeline order themselves rather than relying on Hyrule Historia or Zelda Encyclopedia to tell us what the timeline is; Eiji Aonuma has basically said that it's his opinion that if people believe that there is a better way to organize the timeline than the Historia/Encyclopedia timelines that they should view it that way instead of the way the books say, so we really can't default directly to what the books say either since they contradict the games in a number of places).
The only thing is that it thing that the triforce went to candice because she is stronger then Ganondorf and the triforce of power goes to the strongest
Zelda series in the entire good-natured chronological order of the series: skyward sword, the minish cap, four sword, ocarina of time, the sealed palace, dawn and dusk, the missing link, majora's mask, angtherum, zelda indigo, twilight princess, four sword adventure, the wind waker, phantom hourglass, spirit tracks, a link to the past, oracle of ages, oracle of seasons, link's awakening, a link between worlds, echoes of wisdom, triforce heroes, zelda 1, zelda 2, hyrule warriors, age of calamity, breath of the wild, relics of the past, and the tears of the kingdom,
Some people believe that it is because they argue it is the origin for Ganondorf in some kind of alt downfall timeline. I think it is after A Link Between Worlds and Before the original Legend of Zelda
It is an official Nintendo game. It was created by a third party @BraceYourselfGames and it is published by Nintendo www.nintendo.com/games/detail/cadence-of-hyrule-crypt-of-the-necrodancer-featuring-the-legend-of-zelda-switch/
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I want to finish watching this video, but I'm worried about spoiling the game. XD
I'll just take your word for it! It fits in the Child Timeline.
I’d recommend playing Cadence on “fixed-beat mode” which makes traversing it a piece of cake. I beat it a couple of times in that mode and it was still a lot of fun!
Good tip! I'll keep it in mind. @@Gabeora
I believe the line “It all starts with the future” is referring to Zelda 1 confirming that it’s in the same timeline
Where do you think it happens in relation to Echoes of Wisdom?
I'd love if you did a followup video to that and also mentioned the connections between Vaati and Octavo :))
@@MarissaChillya great idea for a video. I have only briefly thought about it but initially I’m thinking Cadance is right after Echoes. The royal family has the triforce at the beginning of the game in Cadence, and I think Echoes explains how they got it
@@Gabeoraalso cadence has the beach but echoes doesn't!! I agree!!
@Gabeora i think theres a lot to work with in respect to the two zora tribes after playing the game!
when you make this video, you could call it "Does Cadence of Hyrule STILL fit on the Zelda Timeline? (2025)"
You make a part 2, explaining how Octavo's Ode would fit into this placement. And later, a part 3, explaining how the newly announced Symphony of the Mask dlc story fits in to this placement as well.
Maybe. I remember playing through that DLC and thinking it didn't really add or subtract from the timeline analysis. Maybe I need to rewatch the cutscene from it (there is only one extra one if I remember). And the skullkid one could be a major shift, we will have to wait and see
Actually... I didn't find this when I played the DLC, but apparently Octavo obtains an amulet that resembles Vaati's gem, and the description says something about being a family heirloom. This could make Octavo a descendant of Vaati, and thus post-four swords etc
I made an unedited vlog type part 2 going over new findings since part one, here is the link ua-cam.com/video/wnQ3WxnNTIE/v-deo.html
Love this analysis. I actually do consider this canon, as well as the original Hyrule Warriors game. You should do an analysis of that game and how it fits into the timeline as well.
I place it at the end of the timeline before BotW - the portals and having multiple timelines overlap is how botw has things seemingly out of each of the timeline splits.
If it's cannon, does that make Crypt of the Necrodancer Cannon?
@@the-network No, Cadence comes from somewhere else in the game, so that game remains in its own universe
@@the-networkIn the sense that Cadence’s universe was able to somehow interact with the universe of Zelda, kind of. Similar to how Hyrule Warriors works with the timeline. Separate universe but connects to the timeline via the plot
Great Video! It totally answered my question!
I have been playing CoH recently and was wondering if I could place it in the timeline we’re would it go! It fits the lore perfectly (almost) and makes many good points. Thanks a lot for answering my question!
Glad I could help. It’s been a while since I put this out but i still stand by all
of it
Hey, thanks for the vid! I've been trying to figure out where CoH might take place on the timelines ever since it released. There is a theory that it takes place between OoT and A Link to the Past, but your argument is also very convincing. However, I wanted to point out something very huge that you somehow missed: time travel actually occurs within Cadence of Hyrule. The Shiek thread mistress isn't just dropping a cryptic line for no reason. When you're about to face Ganon you jump into a portal. The game specifically tells you that it is a portal into the past. When you get there, you find the Kokiri (Kokori?) Sword from OoT. I don't know what to make of this, but the only possible interpretation is that the player has traveled back before OoT or perhaps after OoT in the downfall timeline, a timeline in which Link failed to defeat Ganondorf. Some theories state that Link was defeated as a child and never obtained the Master Sword, creating the conditions that Ganondorf instead stormed the Sacred Realm with an army of followers and created the downfall timeline. The theory states that Cadence of Hyrule is actually the sealing war, sending our heroes back to seal Ganon before the events of A Link to the Past. Time travel is definitely occurring in this game, but I disagree with this theory as the Seven Sages still need to seal Ganon according to ALttP lore. Speaking of which, A Link Between Worlds confusingly gets this wrong in game because it shows us the adult timeline victory over Ganon from OoT, Link taking part in the sealing and surviving. Anyway... More time travel also occurs in CoH. I haven't played it all as DLC has since hit after I beat the game, but it reveals that Evil Octavo is actually from the future. You can now play as present day Good Octavo. If you get to Ganon's chamber as good Octavo, I think he finds his future evil self there instead and he is the end boss in Octavo's story. He specifically tells his evil self - who, I can't remember, may have defeated Ganon and be ruling over past Hyrule - that he will never become like him because he chooses to be a good person. I only know this because I watched a UA-cam video of the ending of Octavo's story. So ... the Shiek woman's comment isn't so mysterious. Ganon exists in the past and evil Octavo is from the future. Making us all even more confused on the time line placement.
Thanks for the feedback. I'll have to think about your points and comment when I have time
i would put this game at the end of the downfall timeline shortly before the reunification of the timeline; cause there is technology and the gerudo dont return only to flee shortly after
Nice findings.
I hope it is. This title is on par with some of the best games in the franchise.
I don't think one should ever begin timeline analysis with geography or monsters. Those things aren't consistent and usually aren't story-related. If we're trying to figure out where the story can fit, we need to first examine the story elements. So for the purposes of Cadence of Hyrule, we should start our analysis with the fact that the Triforce is not hidden in the Sacred Realm, none of the pieces are split, and a young Ganondorf who is set to become king of the Gerudo is around. And from there we can use other characters and item descriptions to narrow things down, and THEN we can move on to monsters and geography if any question remains.
Thanks for the feedback. In the video I tried to convey that geography arguments are difficult and that the triforce being outside the sacred realm and in the royal family’s possession is much more compelling. Are you saying, from a story telling standpoint I should give the strongest evidence first? In my mind I was leading up to the strongest argument
@@Gabeora I get where you're coming from. I used to do the same starting with the weaker arguments and ending with the stronger arguments (probably in large part because your audience is more likely to latch onto the ending of your argument, so you don't want to end weakly).
Now, however, I think it makes more sense to start with the stronger arguments. (This is something they teach you to do in law school, but I don't think I entirely came around to preferring this style of argument presentation solely because of law school.) Especially with videos because you need to grab your audience right away and let them know that you know what you're talking about. If you start with the irrefutable, most important evidence up top, you let your audience know from the beginning that you know what you're talking about, understand the most important parts of the argument, and have a particularly compelling case for your conclusion.
And that's especially important in Zelda where there are so many competing schools of thought (not to mention Nintendo allowing the competing schools of thought by outright saying that they want players to come up with the timeline order themselves rather than relying on Hyrule Historia or Zelda Encyclopedia to tell us what the timeline is; Eiji Aonuma has basically said that it's his opinion that if people believe that there is a better way to organize the timeline than the Historia/Encyclopedia timelines that they should view it that way instead of the way the books say, so we really can't default directly to what the books say either since they contradict the games in a number of places).
The only thing is that it thing that the triforce went to candice because she is stronger then Ganondorf and the triforce of power goes to the strongest
great video 😁😁😁😁
Zelda series in the entire good-natured chronological order of the series: skyward sword, the minish cap, four sword, ocarina of time, the sealed palace, dawn and dusk, the missing link, majora's mask, angtherum, zelda indigo, twilight princess, four sword adventure, the wind waker, phantom hourglass, spirit tracks, a link to the past, oracle of ages, oracle of seasons, link's awakening, a link between worlds, echoes of wisdom, triforce heroes, zelda 1, zelda 2, hyrule warriors, age of calamity, breath of the wild, relics of the past, and the tears of the kingdom,
why did you include fangames but not the game the video is about?
nice video
So it is before link to past
Some people believe that it is because they argue it is the origin for Ganondorf in some kind of alt downfall timeline. I think it is after A Link Between Worlds and Before the original Legend of Zelda
Is this a fan game or is it official nintendo?
It is an official Nintendo game. It was created by a third party @BraceYourselfGames and it is published by Nintendo www.nintendo.com/games/detail/cadence-of-hyrule-crypt-of-the-necrodancer-featuring-the-legend-of-zelda-switch/