@Electric Pro Academy You are my favourite electric specialist. I have seen many and you are my champion far ahead of them all. I would choose you to do my electricity without any hesitations. I find you very proffesional and expertise, caring for customers' well being, optimising your work by all means including the minimal intrusion and destruction approach, optimising from possible options in work and material, delivering so best possible product, safe, tidy and neat at final which obviously makes you happy too.
In bedrooms I always installed the first receptacle at first stud off door frame ( 12 to 14" ) then did the 12' rule. For friends & family always installed a double duplex receptacle under large picture or bow windows and by TV location ( but not higher up wall mounted Flat screens ). Had a few customers insist to split wire every duplex receptacle in bedrooms so no matter where they plugged in a table lamp the switch by door would control top of every receptacle. In my house when I had first floor walls open fished up a 12/2 dedicated line under every bedroom receptacle to use in case of my central AC was down for awhile could just throw in a window air conditioner. Told the wife to always use the dedicated 20 amp receptacle for the iron.
Years ago it was pointed out to me that 12 ft rule was put in place because most UL approved appliances only have a 6 ft cord. IOW, no matter where you go you need an outlet within 6 ft. (that's half way between outlets) What never seems to workout is that long couch with end table lamps. The cords barely reach unless the lamp is falling off the edge of the table. The same also seems to happen with king size beds. I'm amazed code hasn't changed to meet these issues, even though some of us are smart enough to install a few extras to solve the problem.
Unless you make your own lamp and give it a twelve foot cord. 😉 Remember, six feet is the minimum. You can always put in more outlets, closer together.
@@JV-pu8kx ... do I need to repeat the original post? Outlet spacing minimum is 12 feet because most UL approved appliances only have a 6 ft cord. I suspect UL has their own reason for that standard. BTW, if you modify a UL approved device, it is no longer UL approved.
I guess you could do a video on circuit load calculations because that will also determine how many outlets and receptacles you can fit in a room. Again the NEC is a little dated on this and I suspect they will not adjust this until a few more cycles to take fully account of greater efficiency and lower load utilization by modern connected electronic loads. The bigger issue is the DC leakages across many of these devices which could add up and cause power quality issues and raise some additional safety issues.
I Believe there is no fixed amount of general purpose outlets you can put in a room. In other words, You can have as many as you want on it as long as they are non continuous general purpose Convenience outlets.
Hi Joel, I have a QQ on a simple connection: I have a wire coming from the electric panel to power a light switch and a receptacle. 1-Does this wire has to go to the light switch first, then "split" to go to the lamp and to the receptacle? or 2-The wire can go from the panel to the receptacle, then to the light switch, then to the light? The receptacle is closer to the panel than the light switch. Basically I have, 1-The panel --> 2-The receptacle --> 3-The switch. Thank you in advance for your help.
we had our old house completely rewired and I can guarantee they did not follow code. We had 2 outlets on an 18 foot wall. In our newer house that is a brick house built in the late 30s We do not have that. We also had this house rewired with a 200 amp service installed but they did not change the outlets. I changed them out myself.
With all of the electrical appliances including wall warts I kind of think a single outlet every 6 ft is not enough. I go into places were they have outlet extenders with 10 things plugged in. Am willing to bet this is normal in atleast one or two locations in many homes
So it’s a code minimum on actual walls you can install more to get rid of the trailing lead and multiple devices plugged into them which is dangerous as they are subject to mechanical damage and overload, heating and fire damage risks. In this case they should add an exception to the rule to reduce the distance between outlet spacing allowing more to be installed for a given wall distance. It improves electrical safety if it get rid of dubious trailing leads. Either that or you can add quad receptacles. However at some point you would get into a voltage drop problem if you add more but for many modern day DC component devices that can cope with this drop without their performance being impacted.
Does this mean that 6ft &12ft are not a Minimum Length but a Maximum length right?? So my question is... Can I install 2 Outlets/Receptacles 8 ft from each other? Like instead of 12ft apart can they be 8ft apart so that the appliance is only 4ftt away from either Outlet/Receptacles?
@@ElectricProAcademy thank you very much, I had an argument with my professor about this. He kept saying that 6ft was the minimum distance between receptacles and I kept telling him that by my understanding of the Book both 6ft & 12ft are maximum lengths used for certain specifications. Thank you for the clarification ❤
@@maximuswell1373 You should've told your professor that if he ever been to a hospital room, over the bed on the wall there are like 4 receptacles... that is 4 receptacles within 4/5 ft... then all hospital rooms are out of code... lol
for the example where a portion wall like between doors is non removable I don't believe you need a receptacle if the fixed portion is less than 6 ft wide... at least not in Ontario, Canada.
@Electric Pro Academy You are my favourite electric specialist. I have seen many and you are my champion far ahead of them all. I would choose you to do my electricity without any hesitations. I find you very proffesional and expertise, caring for customers' well being, optimising your work by all means including the minimal intrusion and destruction approach, optimising from possible options in work and material, delivering so best possible product, safe, tidy and neat at final which obviously makes you happy too.
Best explanation yet, Thanks!!
In bedrooms I always installed the first receptacle at first stud off door frame ( 12 to 14" ) then did the 12' rule. For friends & family always installed a double duplex receptacle under large picture or bow windows and by TV location ( but not higher up wall mounted Flat screens ). Had a few customers insist to split wire every duplex receptacle in bedrooms so no matter where they plugged in a table lamp the switch by door would control top of every receptacle. In my house when I had first floor walls open fished up a 12/2 dedicated line under every bedroom receptacle to use in case of my central AC was down for awhile could just throw in a window air conditioner. Told the wife to always use the dedicated 20 amp receptacle for the iron.
Years ago it was pointed out to me that 12 ft rule was put in place because most UL approved appliances only have a 6 ft cord. IOW, no matter where you go you need an outlet within 6 ft. (that's half way between outlets) What never seems to workout is that long couch with end table lamps. The cords barely reach unless the lamp is falling off the edge of the table. The same also seems to happen with king size beds. I'm amazed code hasn't changed to meet these issues, even though some of us are smart enough to install a few extras to solve the problem.
The 12ft rule is the minimum requirement.You can put a receptacle in places you thing you might need one.
Unless you make your own lamp and give it a twelve foot cord. 😉
Remember, six feet is the minimum. You can always put in more outlets, closer together.
@@JV-pu8kx ... do I need to repeat the original post? Outlet spacing minimum is 12 feet because most UL approved appliances only have a 6 ft cord. I suspect UL has their own reason for that standard. BTW, if you modify a UL approved device, it is no longer UL approved.
@@rupe53 How can a DIY lamp be UL approved? I never said anything about modifying a lamp. It was made in the seventies.
@@JV-pu8kx ... and I didn't say YOUR lamp was UL approved, did I? I was only talking about the origin of the rule on outlet spacing.
WOW! I did not know this!
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Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Thank u so much for explaining this the code is hard to understand u da man
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I guess you could do a video on circuit load calculations because that will also determine how many outlets and receptacles you can fit in a room. Again the NEC is a little dated on this and I suspect they will not adjust this until a few more cycles to take fully account of greater efficiency and lower load utilization by modern connected electronic loads. The bigger issue is the DC leakages across many of these devices which could add up and cause power quality issues and raise some additional safety issues.
I Believe there is no fixed amount of general purpose outlets you can put in a room. In other words, You can have as many as you want on it as long as they are non continuous general purpose Convenience outlets.
Do you have a video of all the things that you should have memorized in the code?
Hi Joel, I have a QQ on a simple connection:
I have a wire coming from the electric panel to power a light switch and a receptacle.
1-Does this wire has to go to the light switch first, then "split" to go to the lamp and to the receptacle? or
2-The wire can go from the panel to the receptacle, then to the light switch, then to the light?
The receptacle is closer to the panel than the light switch. Basically I have, 1-The panel --> 2-The receptacle --> 3-The switch.
Thank you in advance for your help.
we had our old house completely rewired and I can guarantee they did not follow code. We had 2 outlets on an 18 foot wall. In our newer house that is a brick house built in the late 30s We do not have that. We also had this house rewired with a 200 amp service installed but they did not change the outlets. I changed them out myself.
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The 12-foot spacing came about in the 1956 NEC; it was a 20-foot rule in prior editions.
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With all of the electrical appliances including wall warts I kind of think a single outlet every 6 ft is not enough. I go into places were they have outlet extenders with 10 things plugged in. Am willing to bet this is normal in atleast one or two locations in many homes
How is there not more than 6 feet between outlets when you can place them 12 feet apart? What am i not understanding?
Yeah, really confusing to me too. Been reading on this for an hour, no luck. What gives? Can someone please explain to us?
So it’s a code minimum on actual walls you can install more to get rid of the trailing lead and multiple devices plugged into them which is dangerous as they are subject to mechanical damage and overload, heating and fire damage risks.
In this case they should add an exception to the rule to reduce the distance between outlet spacing allowing more to be installed for a given wall distance. It improves electrical safety if it get rid of dubious trailing leads. Either that or you can add quad receptacles. However at some point you would get into a voltage drop problem if you add more but for many modern day DC component devices that can cope with this drop without their performance being impacted.
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Hey Joel I might be fixing to start a remodel and need some help
Does this mean that 6ft &12ft are not a Minimum Length but a Maximum length right?? So my question is... Can I install 2 Outlets/Receptacles 8 ft from each other? Like instead of 12ft apart can they be 8ft apart so that the appliance is only 4ftt away from either Outlet/Receptacles?
@@ElectricProAcademy thank you very much, I had an argument with my professor about this. He kept saying that 6ft was the minimum distance between receptacles and I kept telling him that by my understanding of the Book both 6ft & 12ft are maximum lengths used for certain specifications.
Thank you for the clarification ❤
@@maximuswell1373 You should've told your professor that if he ever been to a hospital room, over the bed on the wall there are like 4 receptacles... that is 4 receptacles within 4/5 ft... then all hospital rooms are out of code... lol
for the example where a portion wall like between doors is non removable I don't believe you need a receptacle if the fixed portion is less than 6 ft wide... at least not in Ontario, Canada.
Thank you for the video to put the code book in English 😂😂
Hi. Can you give me the book reference.
Which code
Why there is no app for the phone for quick reference in visual form is beyond my imagination.
I would buy it and pay for yearly updates.