Liszt - Valses oubliées, S215 (Filipec)
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- Опубліковано 10 лип 2024
- Liszt wrote some delightful waltzes when he was in his twenties and early thirties-Valse de bravoure, Valse mélancolique, Valse-Impromptu-and then more or less abandoned dance forms for forty years. So it has long been assumed that the four Valses oubliées which he produced in his seventies were inspired by some kind of nostalgia for his carefree youth. Although the title (‘Forgotten Waltzes’) seems to confirm that assumption and although there is the occasional sentimental episode, the Valses oubliées are actually not so much nostalgic as ironic. Obviously, they do not display the demonic attitude of the Mephisto Waltzes but they all have something sardonic about them.
The most popular of them, the first, is characterized by the impish rhythms in the opening bars, the pressure put on the initially charming main theme, the feverishly glittering second theme in high right-hand octaves, the inconclusive ending and its infusion with more than a hint of discontent. Following on, the second waltz begins jauntily, the mood varying throughout, from high-spirited to reflective, in an almost schizophrenic fashion. The third, similar in mood to the second, is stunning with its almost impressionistic colourings and repeated chords; the fourth, became almost permanently ‘oubliée’ and the first publication was not until 1954. Like many of the visionary pieces of Liszt’s last years, the ending is enigmatic: a beautiful irresolution of a striving dominant seventh over the immovable keynote. Finally, the unfinished Petite Valse S695e, was written some time between the composition of the third and the fourth Valses oubliées, since it is described as a pendant to the three waltzes; it may have originally been intended as a fifth Valse oubliée, hence its inclusion here. The piece is of that other-worldly nostalgic beauty unique to the gentler works of Liszt's old age, and is quite haunting. Consisting of 101 bars of music, and a final change of key signature indicating a return to earlier material, Howard completed the work by adding twenty-five bars, twenty of which are entirely Liszt's, and the last five bars containing the vanishing spectre of the previous phrase, in imitation of a passage in the Troisième Valse oubliée.
Filipec:
00:00 - Valse oubliée No 1
02:44 - Valse oubliée No 2
08:49 - Valse oubliée No 3
13:24 - Valse oubliée No 4
Howard:
16:41 - Petite Valse S695e (may have originally been intended as a fifth Valse oubliée)
The first one is so popular because it’s one of the few Liszt pieces that’s actually playable for an average amateur pianist
It is also a sweet, short piece that does not challenge the listener as much as Liszt's other works.
@@fredericchopin7538 Henle give it a difficulty rating of 7 out of 9. Liszt have many simpler pieces, check out the book Twenty-one Short Piano Pieces
by ABRSM Signature.
It's definitely not an amateur piece. Obviously it isn't crazy advanced, but it's advanced enough.
普通にコンクールに採用しても良いレベルです
Liszt's impressionistic period ! That must influenced Debussy and Ravel quite much ! 😄
It is like we are listening to a totally new composer!
I don't know man, the first waltz sounds pretty Lisztian-Romantic to me
@@bag3lmonst3r72 You are wrong. Deal with it.
@@TheModicaLiszt Go shove your condescending attitude where the sun doesn't shine, pal. I'm entitled to my opinion. Deal with it. 😎
@@bag3lmonst3r72 ua-cam.com/video/d_CGVUcvYQs/v-deo.html This is “Lisztian-Romantic”. These pieces are an irony of the form, with impressionist/modern colourings of harmony. Your comment is like saying, ‘This forward-thinking Beethoven Pathetique Sonata sounds soooo Beethoven-classical’, when in fact it is edging strongly into Romanticism. You’re entitled to have this opinion, but the facts are different.
Oh my gosh the fourth one (13:24) is truly divine. This is the first time i've heard it, and i am surprised that it looks easy on the score.
It reminds me very heavily of his 3rd Mephisto Waltz
At 1:50 I could swear I was listening to Scriabin!!
Sounds like his 4th sonata and it’s also in the same key too, so Scriabin most likely took inspiration from this!
The harmonies are incredible as with all Liszt
Waltz no. 2 must be the most Impressionistic waltz out there. Ahead of its time, too.
15:43 So warm 7th/9th chords...
Liszt toujours surprenant, ces valses sont un plaisir à écouter jouées par l' excellent Goran Filipec
Honestly, these are the greatest waltzes ever written
wow, Liszt doesn’t just write nearly impossible music! I like this style. I like Liszt overall but this is awesome.
This side of Liszt never fails to comfort me
11:18 Such a magical moment, like a fairy tail. Out of nowhere some beauty after all the tension. So gorgeous.
Keep coming back to this video Andrei - as soon as Liszt finished the first Valzer, I’m sure he knew he was onto something amazing and magical, almost numinous!
Maintenant que je le connais un peu plus, je me rends compte que Liszt est à la racine de presque tous les courants de la musique moderne : inspirateur des inventions orchestrales et harmoniques de Wagner et de toute la tradition romantique qui en procède, inventeur du poème symphonique, de la forme cyclique, précurseur de l'impressionnisme au piano, des recherches modales de Bartok et de l'aventure atonale. C'est énorme pour un seul homme !
En effet
Exactement
Quelle interprétation ! Il aurait été fier ou heureux. Merci.
I think these are some of Liszt's finest miniatures. I think Stravinsky's opinion about the Grosse Fuge applies to this music as well, these waltzes too are "forever contemporary."
The performance is lovely of course. However there are indications that Filipec overshot the tempo in a few places. For example in No.2 4:35 (and in later corresponding passages) you can't hear a distinction between the sixteenth and eight note motifs. In No.3 10:54 the repeated octaves in eighths become quarter notes. Maybe Filipec used a different edition where it is actually written as quarter notes, I don't know... but I have always heard those played with repeated eighth notes.
Glad to see I'm not the only one that noticed, on the octaves part I'm sure it was personal choice but for No. 2 I wonder if it was at all intentional.
Thanks for including Dr Howard's performance at the end. I think I might learn these walzes next they are seldom performed in public.
Thank you for your invaluable contribution to the dissemination of Liszt's prodigious musical output! Endlessly fascinating stuff. Your notes are most helpful as well.
these pieces are so fascinating
very charming!
Life and Death, the spirit, the Ghost, that "something else" lays beyond our dreams...
2:09 the harmony starting at bar 184 is so captivating... Though after all, I think that it's nothing more than a damn dominant!
It's an E# chord with 7 and #11 (right hand plays the major third of E#) while the bass maintains the F# tonic pedal
The fourth one is so gorgeous
I like No.2🥰
Grande interpretazione
Bravo
Ces valses ne sont pas que des pièces de salon d’ailleurs fort inaccessibles pour la plupart des pianistes mais de véritables pépite pianistique et préfigure le piano du XX s .
Espressione di un prodigio naturale.
No. 2 has an unexpectedly very typical late 19th century (Belle Époque) salon-like feel to it. Charming, but it's a sound that I wouldn't expect from Liszt.
doesn't sound like it to me at all.
Hi, I wonder if I could get the sheets for the last piece Petite Valse S695e? Also I’ve subcribed to your channel for a time now and I just wanna say thank you for having introduced me to so many magnificent pieces (that are little known by most people)
Sure thing, drop me an email at the email address in my channel description.
@@AndreiAnghelLiszt Hello, thank you for this discovery ! Can I get also the sheet for the last one please ?
Scriabin didn't forget
what do you mean
@@Latinosmassacre- get it? Scriabin got inspired by this possible, which is an ironic departure from this piece's title
@@snorefest1621 Oh!
9:11 9:20 !!! omgg so beautiful
1:50 precursor of scriabin
i love the first one
edit: no i love all of them now XD
Lel
1:00
Sounds so familiar... This must be it!
no 1 in a minor is my number 1 is my favourite indeed
If you think that Petite Valse, is easy try it to play without listen first!
does 1:50 remind anyone else of scriabins 4th sonata?
Yes.
@@ValzainLumivix Alas.
ok no.2 is pretty epic,... but nobody is gonna talk about the third one?
They are all pretty epic h
For me it reminded a bit of Mephisto Waltz No. 3 (and maybe, just maybe, Maurice Ravel might've stolen that chordal 'quaver+minim' idea in the middle for his set of Valses Nobles Et Sentimentales)
Popular opinion but I like the first the most.
14:03 that Is very satisfying
7:18
4:11
15:47 the pedals haha
9:07
no 5haunting never knew there was a 5
Scott Joplin opening
the unfinished fifth seems guite finished to me.
It was finished by Leslie Howard.
This piece is cantabile, the virtuosims give to trash some pieces
What
A desappointing Liszt.
elaborate?
@@segmentsAndCurves Les mêmes formules d'une valse à l'autre, où Liszt se caricature.
There simply isn’t a disappointing piece Liszt wrote in the 1860s-1880s if you ask me
non capisci niente
Are your ears stuck up your ass?
7:35