The Complex Feels of Guardians of the Galaxy v.2
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I love the concept that Ego realized that he was willing to give up both his godhood, his genocide plan, his EVERYTHING for the human concept of LOVE for a single human person. And that terrified him.
And after this (based on her apparent age), he needs Mantis to help him sleep at night.
The movie's central theme is about learning that vulnerability is not a weakness, so naturally the villain is someone who refused to be vulnerable. Even the side-villain of Taserface... I mean, he calls himself Taserface (and apparently thinks that's cool). We don't even know his real name, and he's motivated by a frustration with Yondu's vulnerability toward Peter.
@@davidbjacobs3598 awesome catch.
I feel like that is narcissism in a nutshell.
@@davidbjacobs3598 I always thought he needed help sleeping due to the unknown amount of his own children he's been killing
@@octaviogonzalez8794 Could be both, but the movie does seem to dwell a lot on how Peter and his mother were special to Ego. We even get the line where Ego says very convincingly that he couldn't bear to go back to Earth knowing she would no longer be there.
I especially love the fact that Drax is the one to tell Nebula that the Guardians are a family because you know he meant it literally, whereas some people call their friends family coz they're really close but Drax genuinely feels that he has a family again
I love Drax so much 😭
Drax like autisme peoples, similar, they get everything literaly.
Some kind of pure heart.
Also he's the only one of them who had a real family to compare it to.
@@topbadgun Don't put autism on a pedestal. We're people, as flawed as anyone else.
@@DaDunge "pedestal" what the fuckary are you try to saying ? You mean i'm idolizing a disorder ? Have you has any kind of direct contact with peoples had autism ?
I do, voluntier, and they like Drax, literaly my friend said: "Did he have autisme like me ?"
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Don't twiste my word, mate.
My favorite part of any Marvel movie is in Guardians 2 when Mantis touches Drax so she can feel his emotions and she just starts crying. But he’s doing nothing but sitting there like everything is normal. It’s the best representation of depression I’ve ever seen
It's like chronic pain, you get used to it and might look fine, but it still hurts. Drax has chronic grief.
@@BadHattie Plus hysical and emotional pain can start feeding off each other, turning it into an uroboros.
Ha, you were wrong Lindsay. The furture post-apocalyptic currency isn't Groot funko pop figurines, it's toilet paper.
*were
movie sucks
Baby yoda funko pops
And now it's dumbbells and kettle balls.
@@hexkobold9814 bells not balls... wtf
"Rocket's entire worldview is based on the idea that the people he love will abandon him."
*Me after watching Infinity War:* ...those bloody genius screenwriters...
Holy shit.
After end game if you notice he's not even angry at being called a bulid a bear. He doesn't lose it once he finally let people in and then he lost them all he's completely defeated.. the one time he dose lose it it's with Thor getting in the way of bringing them back.
Justin Vance either that or, being from space, he has no idea what a build a bear is.
@@joecromarty6682 James Gunn said the universal translator works in context, so expanding on that Rocket knew what he meant. I think the "hamster" comment was what James Gunn answered that about, that Saul meant a similar animal even if hamsters don't exist on Xandar, in the first movie.
@@justinvance3177 I'd argue he didn't lose it with Thor. He gave Thor an inspiring pep talk. "You can do this. You can *do* this!"
Wow Rocket losing everyone at the end of infinity war suddenly feels way more brutal now.
Draskinn it feels like this was all planned, especially the fact that the last few frames of vol 2 are rocket, and only rocket.
Jesus I didnt think of that.
Dude, at least put a spoiler warning... A little consideration for others won't kill you, you know?
Kiera TheGayGal
In that case, Kevin Feige is a damn mad genius.
Thanks, haven't seen it yet but what's the point now.
My favorite scene of Guardians is in Vol. 2 when Mantis feels Drax's sadness over the death of his wife and daughter. A sense of peace comes over him. He's come to terms with his past. Yet Mantis feels his pain and bursts into tears.
It's a sadly beautiful moment that shows Drax's depression. He is an example of a paradox I've seen as common in my life: the happiest person in the room is often one of the saddest. Even when you "leave" the mourning stage, the sadness never leaves or dissipates. Drax is a character who speaks completely literally, however his sadness is never addressed besides this scene because he avoids addressing it.
With rumors that Moondragon (Drax's daughter) will appear in Vol. 3, Drax's chance to address his depression may be coming. I hope it does because after typing all of this, Ive realized how much I love Drax as a character.
that is the sad clown stereotype(or sad stand-up comedian nowadays with people like Robin Williams as a damn good example).
about moondragon, they took out a lot of comic Drax when they made the transition to the movie. hope they show more of his past on the next movie(they say it will focus on rocket but to me the volume 2 focused enough already they could make his past the main plot point on the 3 volume with his "father" being the villain but focus on Drax and mantis that are the ones with least past exposition).
Damn, had no idea how much I wanted this perspective til I got it.
@@lucasbiermann257 My guess is that Rocket's plot will be the primary plotthread of the movie while Drax and Moondragon will fill the sorta Rocket/Yondu dynamic vol 2 had
I personally interpret that scene differently. I don't think he has come to terms with his past, as we see in infinity war he still hates Thanos and wants revenge. I also don't think a sense of peace has come over him, and instead he's just thinking about them, and how much he misses them without showing it. When Mantis feels his feelings she is very overwelmed by sadness. She know what Drax is going through, much more than any other Guardian. This I feel makes their relation really strong compared to the other ones.
A simple scene of one character touching the arm of another character can be Interpreted in so many different ways but different people. Thats what I love about the internet.
It's a great metaphor for the power of empathy and sharing the emotional load with someone in pain.
Another thing of note in baby groot’s dancing is that he shows how he takes after all of them as parents. His love of music (quill) his not wanting Drax to see him dance (Drax) his anger at the rat for “looking at him funny” (Rocket) and his fierceness in combat (Gamora)
Interesting.
"I dare you to find a more common, mundane name than Ronan" - this hurts a little. 😂😭
*pat pat*
There, there...
john
cheer up!your name is an antonym for put upon,warriors of a Japanese lord that was dispossessed &
his"Ronin"defied the emperor by seeking & attaining revenge,
payback for the disrespect of their master,for which all of them were executed,
except the lord's son,
spared by the emperor to save the bloodline
to serve Japan.
so,now you're better
(or should be...)
"He engages in some serious self sabotage, because deep down he expects to be abandoned by the people he loves" Damn, that hit me deep.
this definitely isn't me or anything
nope.
definitely not that.
ikr
Yeah I can relate. At times my mind even goes to the extent to believe that it's fate or destiny for everyone I love to abandon me. But I try my best to think optimstically and treat people well in the hope that they'll stick around.
Damn, I relate to that on such a deep level..
The part that broke me when I first watched this was that bittersweet scream kraglin gave at the realisation that yondu’s reputation had been restored and that last salute he does alongside his comrades in honour of his captain
Not just his captain. Kraglin viewed Yondu as a father figure too. That's why he hated Quill.
Same man, same. That sincere joy was what did it to me
Underrated performance in this movie for sure. I mean I think we all see it, but I've never heard anyone mention it.
@@andmicbro1 "They killed all my friends..." Yondu and Quill were really the only family he had left. Then the Ravagers showed up.
@@adamplentl5588 Yeah, almost like the two siblings and one is favored. He was jealous of how Yondu treated Peter, cause he was pretty sure if he did any of that stuff, Yondu wouldn't have forgiven him like he did Peter.
Musician here. The choice of "The Chain" by Fleetwood Mac was an excellent choice for this film.
That song was written because the band felt as though they were at their lowest point, and ultimately split outside of the music world. But within the music world, they stuck together. The sort of "chain" binding them together.
There's a similar themeing in these Guardians films; Of course it doesn't use music, but I believe you understand.
A family is a chain, in several senses. Ego broke his connection with Peter by not being there to raise him in the first place, then he tries to fix it (too little, too late), and the reFORGEd connection is broken by the revelation of what Ego did and how little he actually valued ANY connections he may have had. On the flip side, the Guardians have become a "found" family, maybe not quite to the point where they absolutely cherish one another without question, but relatively close to that. Their "giving a shit" about each other has bound them together, kinda like your analysis of Fleetwood Mac sticking together as a band, in spite of a failing romance.
THis is amazing!
The whole soundtrack in both films is excellent for that sense
A moment I love in Guardians Vol. 2 is when Rocket tells Peter that Yondu "stole batteries he didn't need". At first it's seen as a throwaway line, Rocket just trying to show Peter the drawn comparison between the two, but then you remember that Ego referred to Peter as a battery before the final fight. Yondu really did steal batteries he didn't need, except the battery (Peter) ended up being something he needed more than anything
Noah Barnes oh wow I didn't catch the double meaning
That's an excellent point!
HOLY SHIT I HADN'T REALIZED THAT AND NOW I'M CRYING ACTUAL TEARS
huh
Think you're reaching there
I, personally, think that the way Drax talks to Mantis becomes less horrible when, after he calls her "horrifying to look at", he follows it up with:
"But that's a good thing. When you're ugly and someone loves you, you know they love you for who you are. Beautiful people never know who to trust."
To me it sounds like he's basically saying that physical beauty seems pretty meaningless to him and actually rather detrimental, so from his point of view he probably isn't insulting her but simply commenting on something that is not important. Of course most people would probably have phrased it differently, so I can totally see why this scene might rub people the wrong way.
Of course, that's also followed up by the later context that he actually was trying to break it off with Mantis and that he was trying to get rid of her but just couldn't stand being that mean....
I genuinely don't know if that makes it better or worse, but it does make it more interesting because it follows through with the subversion of characters getting together just because they're around eachother. Mantis and Drax don't become lovers, they don't even find eachother attractive, they just become platonic friends. And that's fine, contrasting Starlord where him getting with Gamora seems like much more of an inevitably in their future as their relationship just gets more and more personal over time.
Both are oddballs that seem drawn to each other.
I don't think the isdue is Drax, Mantis, or their interaction per se but that the narrative keeps not yaking Mantis as a character with her own trauma seriously, as if she's an addendum to the other characters and not one herself.
And if you liked comic Mantis this is particularly below the belt, on top of all the other choices for her. Even Infinity War and Endgame this still persists.
(Also, just wanted to add that Mantis identifying Thanos' emotion in IW and why it bothered me, i.e. her apparent sympathy of his feelings when she's trying to put him under, was made less inscrutable to me after watching this vid.)
its stupid
I can't help it; that "I'm Mary Poppin's, y'all!" makes me laugh. Every. Single. Time. And I do it with a really warm and fuzzy feeling.
It's such a corny joke, but Michael Rooker's delivery just sells it so perfectly.
My "cry button" is the Ravager funeral. The start is like "Yeah, this is good". Then when Kraglin sees it and can't believe his eyes, it's "Yeah, that's for your leader." But when Sean Gunn utters those broken "YEAH! YEAH!" and salutes proudly, is when my waterworks happen.
I honestly don't think Sean Gunn gets enough credit for the GotG movies. His performance as Kraglin may not be pivotal to the movies, but he's actually a pretty big reason why the movies feel as fleshed-out as they do.
There are very few moments that hit me as hard in any medium as Kraglin's reaction at the end. I don't get grabbed by stuff like "He may've been your father ...". I'm really introspective and like to think of myself as empathetic but to really have a deep reaction to anything I need that really obvious feeling played out by someone and (who I now know is Sean Gunn) did so amazingly
Same here. And same with Peter's "NO!!!" reaction when he realizes Yondu is going to die. Both scenes just kick me square in the nuts.
Kraglin's apology to Yandu for causing a mutiny gets me every time. They killed all his friends.
As someone from the south it feels like something an uncle would say
Man oh man, what I wouldn't give to hear Lindsay's take on the third movie...
Yandu got me bad too.
My stepfather was very stereotypical manly man. He never hugged us. He loved cars, camping, motorbikes, pubs, girl posters, sports. All things manly and great outdoors. Out of my sister and I, while she has more stereotypically feminine interests, she was the doted-on one of us two, as she was the more adventurous one. I've always suffered from anxiety and it was *bad* when I was a teenager. I was quiet and didn't like to leave the house much. He would encourage us to try riding his motorbike or get the snakes out of the paddock with him, and I always refused. It was a source of frustration for both of us. He was infertile and just wanted a kid to teach stuff to. His own father was absent, so for him, this was his one chance to go on family camping trips, and teach the kids fishing. She was also younger. I was 11, and she was just 6 when he moved in with the family. I was already someone else's kid, at that age, from his eyes. To give you an idea of his level of stoicness, when my other sister died, he sat down with me and said "It sucks", and that was probably the most emotional thing I'd ever heard from him.
I refused a lot, and when I did go, I would often get jumpy or scared. I remember once we were building a shed in one of the old paddocks and I stepped on a stick, which whacked up on my leg. I screamed "Snake!", thinking I'd gotten bitten by a snake, since our farm, being in Australia, was filled with them. He came sprinting from the other side of the paddock, dropping everything and kneeling down to examine it and when I, rather sheepishly explained it was a stick and I'd panicked, his fear turned to rage and he yelled at me, and I yelled back. The frustrations that we both knew we had, but never said before, just poured out. "I don't want to be out here in the heat building a stupid shed anyway!" "Why can't you just be normal?" "Why can't we do the things I want to do sometimes?" "Why can't you just join in with the family?"
This argument never got resolved. We eventually got a little closer, finding a happy medium in action movies, and going to garage sales. Something sufficiently "Manly" for him and something that didn't stress me out, but when we argued, as family does, the same insults would come out. "Why are you weird?" "Why do you have to make sure everyone likes you?" and the worst thing I think I've ever said to anyone "You're not even my real dad." I didn't even really mean it and the hurt on his face when I said that, said a lot to me.
I later found out that from mum that the reason he never hugged us was because he was always scared of those words. He always felt he wasn't our "real father" and getting close to that extent would have made that awful feeling worse. My real father was an addict and an arsehole. Still, I never called my step father dad, and my step father never hugged me.
My mother and he eventually broke up when I was 19. His working hours were taking a toll on their relationship and it ended amicably. They were still close friends and met up often.
Then came a couple of years ago. We hadn't talked in ages since I was away at uni, but he took my sister and I out shopping, and then we had lunch. He told me he was proud of me for moving to another city. He told me he was proud of how far I'd come, but other than that, we didn't speak about emotional stuff. We never had. As he dropped us off in his truck at my mum's, my sister got out and I hesitated, looking to him, I wanted to tell him that I did love him, that he was my father. But then the moment passed.
A month later, my mum called me to tell me that he'd died. It had been a car accident on a camping trip, the driver had been drinking and flipped the car.
I saw this movie 3 days after his funeral. I didn't know this scene was going to happen and I had tears streaming down my face in the cinema. Father and Son had played at my sister's funeral, and played at his too. Peter's relationship with Yondu felt like so much of a mirror to my own feelings about my stepfather, right down to not really realising how good he'd been till the last moment, despite how rough he'd treated me, that I felt like someone involved in the writing HAD to have gone through the same. It was the only time I've ever gotten emotional at a film, and even seeing the clips in this video had me tearing up all over again. The impact and importance of examining family relationships under this lens cannot be understated. Too often a parent's death in a movie is cut and dry "They were perfect, now they're gone", a way to prompt action, or a way to add plot angst to a character's backstory without really working for it.
We need to see more complicated emotions and relationships. Films work best as a reflection of ourselves. I just didn't expect a Marvel film to be the one that delivered that emotional depth I didn't know I was craving out of film's handling of strained family relationships.
Oh my god I almost cried reading this
I did cry reading this.
Thank you for sharing your story ❤️
I want you to know that I feel your story. Do remember though. that just because this story resonated with you, does not mean there are no stories out there that don't that resonate the same way with others. just a quick example I'm a boy that has had gender dysphoria and Mulan resonated with me in a similar way. Don't think Hollywood is hopeless, even the trashiest movie may have had a similar effect on someone else.
I also cried
I think I finally understand where Guardians draws the line on immaturity. There is nothing wrong with loving pop culture artifacts and being true to your emotions. When Peter makes the giant PacMan during the climax of the film, that only shows that PacMan is something he has a strong emotional connection to, whereas Ego only loves himself, represented by him manifesting a giant version of himself. The problem arises when harmless enjoyment and affection turns into harmful expectations from others, I.e. believing he is to rewarded with the girl because of TV sitcoms. That changes from harmless appreciation to harmful expectation, and therein lies the issue.
I think part of Peter's sharp change in behavior is realizing that he is part god. Peter himself always saw himself as someone aspiring to be Han Solo or Indiana Jones but didn't have the maturity for it. Inside, he thinks he's a loser.
So when he suddenly realizes he's part god, it went straight to his head, and he thinks that Gamora is jealous of him because she still rejects him even though he's strong now. In reality, Gamora (mostly) liked him how he is (she stated as much in the forest). His vulnerability and immaturity helps Gamora break down the walls she's put up while at the same time frustrating her. The two are foils of each other, and in some ways two halves a person who need to "rub off" on each other to fix themselves.
4 years later in Infinity War they made a lot of progress, but Peter is still vulnerable to his emotions and Gamora and Nebula vulnerable to vengeance.
see now i wanna like this comment. but there are exactly 666 likes right now, and i am *not* going to upset *the beast* by making it 667.
Shanez1215 You took this idea from another video I think. I saw it just the other day
In a scene this video doesn't get to, we learn Peter told Gamora the David Hasselhoff story while he was drunk. She actually connected with and related to that story, dreaming of his imaginary badass father, but Peter himself is embarrassed by it and wishes he hadn't told her. He allowed himself to vulnerable and but is still too immature to view this as anything but weakness.
Then at the end of the film, his growth is partly shown by relating the David Hasselhoff story to everyone at Yondu's eulogy. He is (slowly) growing, something Gamora herself has been encouraging.
@@existenceisrelative right . . .incels are just a myth too I'm sure.
This is a fantastic analysis. My mom had bipolar disorder that went untreated for years because the system failed her. My dad was emotionally distant. They were often neglectful. I am Rocket with Gamora's defense mechanism.
Also, only time in a movie I can remember where someone said, "He may have been your father, but he wasn't your daddy." I am a stepparent who never had a child of her "own." When my son came to live with us, I said, "You don't have to call me Mom. You can call me Diane if you want. But if you do decide to call me Mom, you can never take it back." Eventually, he made that choice. Then when he inevitably said, "You're not my real Mom," to me in an argument, I said, "Oh yes I am! I told you that if I was your Mom, you could never take it back, and I meant it, and that's as real as it gets!" There was hugging and crying (on both sides.) He never said it again.
Yeah, I cried during this movie too.
I really love your story! Especially how you gave your son a choice whether he will have you as his mom and how you didn't let him take it back. He will know he has a mother who will never stop being his mother no matter what and I think that's beautiful
Got teary eyed reading your story. That's good parenting. Good RESPECTFUL parenting
PLEASE tell me you and your stepson are in a good relationship.
You handled that beautifully. Kids will test you just to get your response/rise out of you. Being a parent/family is deeper than biology/genetics.
What I would pay for a follow up to this video now that Vol. 3 is out. I hope you liked it as much as I did, Lindsay!
Same
10/10 I cried, first time, sober
Maybe she will on Nebula (streaming platform, not blue cyborg lady). One can dream.
Same.
Same
Guardians was funny at a time dark movies were cool
Guardians was dark at a time funny movies were cool
3 years a part
You just blew my mind
It will be cliche at a time doing new stuff is cool (not a bad thing per se cliches stop being cliches if everyone avoids them like the plague) and when everyone follows their leas and does cliches again they will be the first to do the new
Guardians pretty much exists to break the mould tbh
@@TroubleCauser22 And then Infinity War made it shit...
When you start talking about the abuse side of things, and how it its so complicated, watching this after seeing infinity war and that scene when Gamora was crying after she had thought she had actually killed Thanos...damn, I found that moment was a surprisingly honest representation of a complex abusive parent relationship
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Kk
Or the fact that Thanos literally ripped Gamora's sisters arms off and replaced them with robotic arms..
Movies with Mikey talks about this point.
ua-cam.com/video/M7Skq8UtJpY/v-deo.html
His video is worth a watch, ultimately the point is that Infinity War leaves a bad taste in some folks mouths because of how abuse is handled.
Lindsey has mentioned Mikey in videos before and Mikey Lindsey. If you enjoy one it may be fair to say you'd enjoy the other, however this is not a usual video for Mikey. Much like Cinema wins, Mikey tries to strictly focus on positive deconstructions of movies he likes. Hate proliferates... which is kind of the problem with Infinity War.
Lol, after watching Infinity War you realize Gamora could potentially place herself as the most messed up child of all of them, but doesn't 'cause she has the maturity to not worry about it too much.
I remember reading a food critic years ago who said something along the lines of "Giving a negative review is easier and less risky than giving a positive one."
Superhero movies are VERY easy to criticize. They're almost always shallow and forgettable, and the studios that make them rarely do anything interesting or risky with them.
So seeing this positive review of a Guardians of the Galaxy movie... that actually feels justified in its arguments... is far more impressive than your (already impressive) critiques of Game of Thrones or The Hobbit
P.S. Subscribed.
did u just quote ratatouille
That quote is from Ratatouille
It's paraphrased from Anton Ego's piece on Gusteau's restaurant, where he talks about he simple work of the critic, the challenging work of the chef who puts his heart and soul into every dish, and the true meaning of the tagline "anyone can cook".
I think it's one of the most beautiful monologues in any animated movie, and it completely applies here.
@@mccookies3664 I've never watched ratatouille, so either the sentiment was copied from somewhere else or to somewhere else. I couldn't say which, though. It's been too long.
@@Falcrist meh, opinions aren't fingerprints; someone is bound to come to a similar thoughts/conclusions/thesis somewhere. Don't sweat it.👍
"He may be your father, but he ain't your daddy."
*Me, ugly sobbing the whole scene.*
Sees the fireworks at the end of the movie.
*Still sobbing*
allow me to be the 100th person to like this one. *hits dat thumbs up*
200th. I relate, I was also sobbing through basically the entire end of the movie.
"is that what she been filling your head with boy... CINNAMON"
Actually you can't eat even a teaspoon of cinnamon.
That is hell ari us
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@@keithklassen5320 I was told that you can't eat a whole cinnamon stock. I took the challenge and shewed through that thing. It's not a teaspoon of powdered fire, but it was also difficult.
Then, Yandu slaps hell out of Peter, as if attempting to slap cinnamon out of a head filled with it. Oh, Yandu! You foolish, blue-hued, child abuser! If the cinnamon is IN his head, it is not gonna simply come out of his ears when you slap him! You have to lop the top of Peter's head off, turn him upside down and shake the cinnamon out.
I actually liked the relationship between Mantis and Drax. It gave us one of the best lines of the movie and one of my personal favorites "When you're ugly and someone loves you then you know they love you for who you really are."
"In that case, I am very glad to be ugly!"
Yeah, I shipped them for a while, but then I realized that their friendship is more meaningful than a romantic relationship would ever be. (She looks younger than him anyway)
DragonRyd3r And I don’t think Drax really wants any sort of romance nowadays. He wouldn’t want to forget the wife that he lost by taking another.
and *”innocent”*
@Black Ninja That's the joke
Yeah. The jokes are that Drax is just silly as fuck.
"I thought yondu was your father"
He's blue!!!
"You both look totally alike"
"Rocket engages in some serious self sabotage because he expects to be abandoned" hooookay that was a little too close Linds dawg, gonna go have a cry now bye bye
Yup. I felt that in the film. This whole movie had me looking like a chick who just watched The Notebook for the first time.
I know Quill's arc is what most people remember from this sequel but I'm happy to see a review actually give focus on Rocket's arc
Its rare for me to see archetypes like Rocket, who are often kept static to preserve their status as the series edgy mascot, having their abrasive and psychotic behaviour get called out and deconstructed
This was nice to come back to. Because Rocket’s trauma and gradual acceptance over that fear of rejection feels deeply layered throughout all three movies. Of him ultimately becoming a better person. From him losing his one best friend in Groot 1 in the first movie, whose act of selflessness and love seems to have really stuck with Rocket. Or Yondu’s Ravager buddies ultimately forgiving him for an act of selfishness and emotional vulnerability, in Yondu’s adoption of Peter.
You feel those walls of insecurity and fear break down, and in 3, you see behind those walls.
The scene when Mantis feels all of Drax’s pain while he shows none of it really got to me. The idea that he feels that horror all the time even if people can’t see it just felt very real to me. The funeral scene was another part that made me cry. And even with all that it still had great humor. I love this movie.
Iris Carter-Schafer hell the fact that Drax is always cracking jokes and more or less acts as an emotional support ‘monolith’ that a lot of them share their problems with, he’s always wearing that grief under the coping mechanism that is his personality.
Golly, I absolutely agree. There's a lot going on in the film, and the scene with Drax and Mantis might have been really damn unsubtle, but it nailed my feels because he's carrying such a load and never puts it on others, instead hanging out in the Gimli seat and trying to help everybody else through. His quivering musculature hides the strength to deadlift grief without a perpetual pity party.
Its great. Funny and amazing
I actually think Ronan is a perfect villain for the first GOTG movie. The heroes are all clowns, so the bad guy has to be the guy who can't take a joke; that's the golden rule of comedy as enshrined by the Marx Brothers and it continues to be the only real way to go about this stuff. So, when your clowns are saving the day not just for themselves but for the entire galaxy, they need to be up against the biggest, most astonishingly tight-assed sourpus in the entire fucking universe.
Enter, Ronan "I will unfurl one thousand years of Kree justice upon Xandar" the Accuser. This guy is on such a super-serious mission that he wears a black hood and some black eye-shadow because he's super serious and you've got to take him seriously, you guys. As contrasted against the Guardians he's hilariously one-dimensional and devoid of personality, which I'm like 85% sure was intentional. He's not a threat, he's a foil, there to represent all those grimdark genre trappings the movie pushed so hard against, so they can be steamrolled over by a ragtag crew of wise-cracking assholes just like the Hollywood gods intended.
MagusMirificus that's always been my read of Ronan, but you could make the argument that serving his purpose as a foil doesn't *necessarily* excuse him just not being a very interesting guy. I think there's a way to make Ronan work as a serious, emotionally grounded, imposing foil to the clowns without needing him to be boring. The whole movie sets a particular tone for Ronan's scenes vs the Guardians' scenes until those tones collide at the very end and one wins out, and I do like that approach, but I think people would complain less if Ronan's half of the story was genuinely compelling the way the other half is, in spite of the lack of comedy.
Ronan was fine in the movie. My problem with him was more that they took one of the most complex heroes in Marvel Comics and turned him into Marvel's least complex villain.
@@Kekkersboy isn't he an occasional antihero ?
The utter casualness of “Rocket’s creators were abusive.” Oh if she only knew…
Isn't her ugly played for emotion? He calls her ugly, but her ugly filters out false companions for real ones. He says "it's okay to be ugly, cause when someone loves you, you know they love you for you".
Also Drax is ugly, look at his skin, he's huge, and only had one love. When he tells her that she was ugly, it seemed as if he was speaking from an ugly perspective, which is himself. I thought it was a powerful scene. Though not as powerful as the part where Mantis feels Drax's feelings.
I totally agree, and I love how the writers paired Drax up w Mantis at all. 2 seemingly opposite characters, both physically and emotionally, realizing they’re the same.
He also later tells her she's pretty "on the inside"
A little of Column A, a bit of Column B.
He might be ugly to you, but he only thinks she's ugly because they are literally different species and have different concepts of what attractive means. Besides, whatever motivation the character might have, doesn't change how the movie frames it or the fact that the writers gave the character that motivation in the first place
30:43 I think it's worth pointing out Rocket wasn't even insulted by the sovereign when he stole the batteries. He stated "did you see the way she talked down to us?" But she only insulted Peter. I think that's another moment showing Rocket cares more about Peter than he'd like to let on.
combine that with his appreciation of peters music
Mg only problem with that is he stole the batteries before they talked to The Sovereign. And clearly Peter was the one who set up the deal, because he had to warn the others how to behave around The Sovereign.
He stole the batteries and then tried to use the insult as an excuse.
Well, I feel like it's fair to say those parts are a combination of Rocket's self-sabotage agenda and his incredible sensitivity to condescension or othering.
He was already going to steal the batteries because it furthered his goal of fucking up personal connections with the added bonus of potential for pretty serious cash (which will be needed if he leaves!)
Then, after they fulfill their bounty and Ayesha is sitting on her shiny throne... Even when the Sovereign's reminders that, "FYI, you're totally inferior" were only addressed to Peter, Rocket still picks up on that and reacts... Well, the way he does. (Subtlety is not in his repertoire.) Speaking as someone with PTSD and strong psychological triggers who chose 'fight' from the Fight/Flight/Freeze portfolio, I get up in people's faces the same way Rocket does surprisingly quickly and for reasons that, in hindsight, seem pretty fucking stupid.
He stole batteries he didn't need, he says it himself at the end of the movie. It was again, one of the ways he has of avoiding to make new friends, because he doesn't want to let them into his life, either because he is afraid to disappoint them or that they will abandon him. He tries to disappoint everyone before they can abandon him or so he doesn't have to let people into his inner emotional circle. He stole the batteries because it has become part of his routine to betray every stranger he meets first,before they get the chance to, it's what he has done for a long time. But if you have a family of your own choosing as the Guardians have in each other, you will be loved, even if you try to chase them away and there will be someone who cares about you at your funeral, that is a heavy realization. Enough to bring tears to my eyes.
I think Kraglyn (Youdu's second in command) has the best line in the movie.
"I'm sorry I did a mutiny...they killed all my friends."
"I didn't mean to do a mutiny..."
Kraglin is fantastic in his small part in the film. He may be the only character who is always honest about his feelings, but that backfires when he underestimates how threatened Taserface's followers feel. I'm not sure why he wasn't with the team in Infinity War anymore - perhaps he rejoined the Ravagers led by Stakar?
@@davidbjacobs3598 You see endgame yet?
@David B Jacobs I honestly hope he becomes a main Guardian. It would also be a great way to keep Yondu's arrow in the fights.
"I was thinking like a pretty necklace, something to make other girls go: oooooh that's nice". Is actually the best line from the movie
The guys who resonate with Peter and think he deserves the girl because he’s a hero are basically just Hal from Megamind
damn no need to call us out like that man 0_0
@@jxomxo the shinji pfp 😭😭
I watched my mother die when I was six years old. It gets a little tiring that every hero in every franchise seems to have had a similar back story, yet it's something the authors clearly know nothing about. They see "dead mom" as the perfect torment, yet they never actually contend with what it's like.
So Sorry for your Loss!!!!! :( D:
Are you saying that others haven't lost parents? Because a bloody lot of people have. In fact, a dead parental figure is so popular in writing because it's something a lot of writers can relate to as they write it.
Just because it doesn't tickle your pickle, doesn't mean it's not relevant or relatable to someone else.
"My father would recount the story of impregnating my mother every winter solstice."
"That's disgusting."
"It was beautiful! You earthers have hang-ups."
Favorite line in the film. Bautista was so sincere with that line.
The way his voice choked was great! Like he was talking to somebody who thought sunsets were ugly or that music was annoying
I think that he has a good point if you analyse it too. No one could be here without doing "it". Whilst I'm here having to say "it" over what I actually mean so I don't get censored.
Bautista is so sincere with every damn line he says in the movie. I half get the feeling that his real dad used to recount the story of impregnating his mother every winter solstice.
mrtalos ..you mean “sex”?
From what I can tell the reason censorship happens is so something can be shown to a wider demographic of people, and hence, make more money. Generally stuff that doesn’t make any money doesn’t need to censor itself-like how fanfiction is chock full of sex and rape and what not, but nobody cares ‘cause it doesn’t make any money (and even when it _does_ it makes money because of the creepy bits)
Dave Bautista in general has been the unsung hero of these movies. He’s been delightful and perfect in the role, unpretentious, and generally a pleasant surprise. I’m more than a little sad that he may go back to wrestling because he’s actually a pretty damn good actor and could be so much more than just another meathead who dies from brain damage. (Blade Runner 204whatever sealed it, he was one of the best parts of the movie.)
It fucked me up when Mantis touchs Drax and she feels all the sadness hidden under his stoicism and starts crying.
Also Drax is a nice deconstruction of the "MY! DEAD! FAMILY!" trope. He starts out as Kratos in the first movie. But other than Kratos he learns that seeking nothing but revenge will eventually get him and his allies killed. So he moves on from anger to acceptance. His family is gone. He still grieves. But he has learned how to deal with those powerful emotions. And Mantis is then flooded by powerful and complex emotions she probably has never experienced.
And now I am crying. My father has Parkinsons. Today is the first day he didn't recognize me. This is so painful I don't even know. He was my hero. I love GotG, but never connected it to my beloved but now gone dad.
parkinson's causes memory issues similar to alzheimer's?
Can’t imagine how that must have felt, sorry you had to go through that.
im so sorry
I hope you're okay
Please don't think of him as "now gone". He's not dead.
I watched my grandpa rapidly decline, but it wasn't because of the Parkinson's he lived with -- it was the way people treated him as though he wasn't living anymore. Even when someone gets to the point where they are almost always out of it, there are a few moments where they come back. And in those moments, they need someone who knows, even if it's as simple as not talking about them in front of them (as if they're out of the room).
I'm not saying you do these things or will do them, but hopefully this makes sense.
You ever see a movie analysis so good it makes you want to call your dad?
As a guy in his late 20s, Peter and Gamoras relationship was really refreshing. As a nerd, I grew up with geek stories telling me that as long as I was a "good enough guy", I deserved a woman. Well, as many fellow geeks can attest, that rarely turns out well.
Now as an adult, I know that maturity, stability, and trust are far more important than just being good enough. Saving the world doesn't mean you're entitled to someone else. Thinking that way sure doesn't make you heroic.
i wish youtube had emote likes because id love this post - what i love about this series is that it doesn't relegate women to prizes or currency, i grew up gaming myself, nearly 4 decades worth, i was never much interested in saving the princess or being told i was the princess. gotg goes so much further than anything in its genre to expressing that ALL people are flawed and deserving and are just navigating the human experience rather than filling the needs of others based on tropes
SuperRay64 or to offer another perspective: you just learned that different kinds of relationships have different requirements for reavhing the 'good enough' state.
To bring this discussion back to the movie series Lindsey talks about in the video: even with all his flaws Peter could have had any number of one night stands and/or short flings were he inclined to. But since what he wanted is romance, partnership and companionship, he's still yet to become 'good enough'.
Edit: I just realized I put an unrelated commented here. Please disregard. I don't know how to UA-cam properly, apparently >_
+Adrijana Radosevic The main problem with your argument is that pretty much every woman I know has multiple and different requirements for the men they want. There is no singular criterion you can fulfill to be attractive to "women" and no man is attractive to all women. Even if we only consider looks one of my female friends and I rarely agree upon celebrities we find physically attractive. People (including female people) have different tastes and different needs at different stages in life.
PS from my own biased sampling of educated women, most actually married men of roughly equal career/job standing as themselves.
Shouts out for starting great UA-cam discussions
"... Rocket fears the people he loves most will abandon him... "
Oh god, this makes IW hurt even more :(
I can't wait to see how Rocket is handled in Avengers 4
Yup
@@ninjadarthjuju117 too much yelling and stealing.
*spoiler alert for IW/Gotg 1*
Ugh, the fact that we’ve seen Groot die twice is painful! It’s so personal in both, but the first time, it at least serves a purpose of saving the Guardians in a time when they’re going to die.
In IW, he just... dies, and not even intentionally on Thanos’ part. He just randomly gets selected by the finger snap.
Even if Groot doesn’t remember his first death, and probably won’t remember the second if he comes back, Rocket remembers both. And that’s why it’s so painful to watch him mourn for Groot twice!
@@withalittlehelpfrom3 Reason why I locked myself up in my room and cried all day
The discussion of Peter in this vid is reminding me why Infinity War and Endgame’s treatment of Peter and Gamora bugged me. We essentially only see them at the end of their story. As this assumption that they will get together, despite Peter being depicted more like his GotG 1 immature self.
Which is why GotG 3’s conclusion is pretty interesting. That they’ve both found places where they’re more complete people, but haven’t had to find that in each other.
"His lovable immaturity is both framed as relatable, but also as a character flaw."
_insert fairly relevant bojack horseman quote_ I don't think that it's inherently a problem for both to be there, because immaturity and maturity like everything else is a spectrum. It's about balance.
Yes, and some of what she takes as his immaturity are... pop culture references? It never once occurred to me that Peter's pop culture references were supposed to be a sign of his immaturity or a character flaw he needs to grow out of. He can grow as a person who dials down his ego and has healthier relationships and still enjoy the same pop culture references, and that's probably exactly where his character is headed.
Late, but it's a matter of framing. No, you can't present someone's immaturity as both charming and a flaw that must be addressed and corrected. Why must it be corrected if it's charming and positive? It's poignant that you bring up Bojack here, because a lot of his "quirks" in season 1 lead directly to destroyed lives and character deaths in later seasons. It becomes a detriment and a drag following him, for me personally and a lot of women anyway.
@@victoriapulcifer6218 Well yeah, exactly. Nobody is telling Cheech he needs to stop doing drugs, or Paul Stanley to keep it in his pants.
The part that always gets to me is when the others are taking off from Ego as the planet is dying and Peter and Yondu are being left behind. Gamora when she realizes that Peter isn't going to make it back to ship in time grabs a gun and is about to go back out. Then Rocket shoots her with a stun gun to knock her out to keep her on board saying something along the lines of "I can only afford to lose one friend today." Then Drax realizes that they are taking off starts screaming at Rocket "Where's Quill!" Rocket won't respond because if he says that Peter is still out there that Drax might force the pilot to keep the ship on the ground which would kill them all. Because if anyone of the group would do anything not to lose "family" again it would be the one that lost a wife and daughter. Even if it cost him his own life. That also plays into what Lindsay was saying about Rocket's character arc throughout the movie. Rocket the one that kept pushing people away, because he feared that they would ultimately leave him does what he can to keep the ones he has left from leaving/dying.
stonecoldku i'm not crying you're crying
Love your comment
*WHY DO I KEEP SCROLLING THROUGH COMMENTS??! WHY?!! I KNOW I’M ONLY GOING TO CAUSE MYSELF PAIN. WHY DO I KEEP DOING THIS??!!!*
@@ihopeicanchangethisnamelat7108 Well I appreciate you reading the comment anyway. Sorry.
@@stonecoldku4161 I’ve just realised it sounded like I was hating on the comment. I wasn’t. I was saying it was really sad and I should stop scrolling through comments that say things like this because they’re so sad
@@ihopeicanchangethisnamelat7108 It's okay. I know you weren't hating on the comment. Just sorry it made you sad or sadder. Thanks for reading though.
The thing that always gets me in this movie is Yondu's one loyal Ravanger that still believes in him. That one guy's arc over the course of the movie just GETS me, especially when he's all "you care about Peter more than you care about us" and the whole ending funeral bit.
KingTwelveSixteen The line that got me was "I didn't mean to start a mutiny....they killed all my friends." That just shows how simplicity and honesty can be the most powerful way to convey something to an audience.
This film has a lot of layers to the topic of family. I mean, who didn't see his complaint about Peters special treatment as essentially a sibling complaint? "I'm right here, please see me, why do you treat us so differently!"
Excellent observation. His betrayal came from his own frustration at being betrayed, at being treated as less important despite being more loyal. His arc is very emotionally real, and his being made whole is one of the stronger threads in the movie, even if not equally prominent.
KingTwelveSixteen This shit right here is one of the many examples that makes this movie great despite what the haters say.
Risto Ravela And then Yondu brutally murders all of them in a musical number lol
Say it louder for people in the back
"Men like flowers!" 11:22
*-IM-* *-UGLY-* *-AND-* *-IM-* *-PRROUUD-*
*MEN* *LIKE* *FLOWERS*
I'm particularly partial to echinacea and monarda
I like dusty-pink roses. And ballet.
I love hydrangeas and petunias. Source: I am a dude.
Hi Lindsay,
My dad passed this week due to covid and I miss him so much. I wanted to say thank you for making this video as it reminds me that I am not alone in going through this.
Anyone who reads this, tell your parents you love them (if you do) because you don't know when it's going to be the last time.
So Sorry for your Loss!!!!! :( D:
Peter and Gamora not being together was an actual widespread genuine complaint?! If so, then all those people missed the thematic heart of guardians 2.
Honestly, I think most people don't really care. Peter and Gamora work as friends just as well if not better than as love interests for each other.
It's like in cheers!
I never saw this complaint, anywhere if I'm being honest
well this is going to be interesting after IW
7:45 "... Rocket's inability to admit that he lashes out at his loved ones because he assumes the worst of everyone; sabotaging everything good in his life" Damn those heart-spears are accurate
This is why GOTG is my favorite movie series in the MCU. It's so sincere and has genuine heart. It doesn't feel like a cash grab. GOTG has consistently made me cry both tears of sadness and tears of joy.
This is the only MCU movie to make me shed a tear, which is why it's my favorite, and arguably in my opinion the best movie in the MCU.
32:43 "Rocket's entire world view is built on the expectation that the people he loves will abandon him..."
*watches Infinity War*
Me: "Oh...my...God!" 😭 😭 😭
😢
Don't forget, Gunn confirmed that Groot's last words were a confused "...D-daddy?" as he faded away in front of Rocket.
@@Luinta *sobbing like in the video*
@Lilith Henry. I really didn't need to hear that.
I lost my dad about six months before I watched this movie. He fell off a ladder and lingered 10 days in the hospital without ever waking up from surgery.
I went into this movie totally blind. About halfway through, I paused it and went to look up Ego, because I didn't feel up to being blindsided by a betrayal. I went into the rest of the movie thinking I'd steeled myself.
So I mean, yeah. Wanna start an 'ugly-crying at Guardians 2' club? I'll bring the whiskey if you'll bring the whiskey.
just watched Vol. 3, and i wish you were still around Lindsey.
I just noticed how Yondu took the job from Ego; Because to him he was just returning kids to their father. He was sold by his parents, so he's "helping" kids get back to theirs.
Only he didn't know what Ego was doing; And when he does, he immediately stops and decides to return Peter.
But Yondu, much like Rocket doesn't just tell the Ravagers about this; Like what he told Rocket he deserves the mutiny that happened, Yondu is guilty about the other kids. All he had to do was tell his own "daddy" about what really happened, but he doesn't and it lead to the other Ravagers hating him.
Yes, the guilt, and the fact that "He engages in some serious self sabotage, because deep down he expects to be abandoned by the people he loves"
"he mae' hav been your father boy, but he what'ent your daddy"
easily one the the best lines ever
most of the best lines of this movie were from him.
@@lucasbiermann257 That and "I'm Mary Poppins, y'all!" (putting aside the fact that Yondu didn't know if Mary was a woman, but ok whatever).
*Me 34 minutes ago:* Oh look a GOTG video essay! This should be fun!
*Me now:* WHAAAAAHAAHA 😩😩😭😭
Hi! I had to cut poverty in the school gymnasium same
Same here! I was expecting some feels, but I wasn't expecting to literally cry. This truly is a beautiful video, that highlights the strengths of these movies and how they can register on so many levels.
You both (and everyone else, all of you) knew what was coming, it's in the title! Sometimes it feels good to cry though, even if it's at a cheesy mary poppin's joke; the foreshadowing was so strong we knew he wasn't long for these galaxies 😭.
One could use this with the movies themselves.
“Ooh! New Marvel movie! And the trailers looked great. This is gonna be fun!”
*a la SpongeBob* Five minutes later...
*sobbing*
😔😥😢😭
My grandfather died 4 years ago and I wasn't able to make the funeral, as I live on the opposite end of the country and couldn't afford the flight at the time. To this day, I have not watched the recording of it that my mom gave to me. I, and many others, can relate to Peter.
For what it's worth-
You didn't do anything wrong by not being able to get there. The fact that you think about him, that you *miss* him, shows how deeply you loved and how you're trying to honor him now.
Nobody could ask for more. You're doing right by him. It's okay to not be ready to watch the recording, yet.
*internet hugs*
So Sorry for your Loss!!!!! :( D:
My little brother died in his sleep, and I have a soft spot for sibling angst in movies. I even cried during It part 1 when Bill and Georgie met at the end. I’m sorry you lost your dad.
So Sorry for your Loss!!!!! :( D:
....you know, every once in a while in the Reviewerverse, you see a review that makes you desperately want to rewatch a movie because it opened your eyes to just how good it is.
This is one of them. Well done Lindsay.
ikr, i watched that movie a few months ago and thought it was great, but apparently i missed 80% of the point of the movie.
that also happened to me with the bringing back what was stolen video series on Mad Max Fury Road.
and i'm realizing that i'm replying to a comment that i already replied to a year ago :D
God, as an child abuse survivor this move genuinely hits hard. The scene where Ego sings "Brandy" gives me genuine chills due to how accurate to an abuser about to snap it is
Well Gunn certainly has an experience with abuse. He got that performance out of Kurt because it was something he experienced himself
*hug* I'm so glad that you ARE a survivor. You deserve better than what was done to you, and I hope that you're getting it now.
"Coming to terms with the death of a parent... (subtle laugh) I'll let you know if it's even possible if I ever get there."
Oof.
Lost my dad last September. Yeah, I'm living this sentence something hard.
Damn Guardians 3 really did make up for how this movie treated Mantis. gotta love the power of sequels
I never really cared for Peter “getting the girl” because the way I see it he kind of did, but not in the classic way, but in the important way, especially after watching infinity war btw, he started to deal with his mom’s death, he didn’t get a sex buddy or a token girlfriend (as in other classic action movies) he got a person he loves, and who he wants to be with, he got rewarded not with the girl, but with a relationship he loves being in, and one he actually cares about it’s not main guy gets the girl, it’s main guy gets the chance to be complete in a place he wants to be
To me, the greatest proof of Gamorah's love for Peter is how she loved his David Hasselhof story. I mean Zardu Hasselfrau.
that part was so cute hahaha. Poor peter tho, that's just the saddest thing I've ever heard. Gamorah was kind of a Jerk to him after that, like, the dude is just catching up with his father, give him a break and do not break that so hard maybe?
To be fair, Gamora's parent is Thanos. She didn't have a good impression on dads in particular.
well, she was kinda scared for him after hanging around Mantis who was giving off some weird vibes. Like yes she could have handled the argument better as Peter was getting gas lighted by his douchebag father their entire time on Ego but behind the yelling she really did care about Peter and wanted to help, its just that she was a bit too "rough" in how she went into it.
9:56 When people literally take this position against the concept of toxic masculinity, I like to ask "Do you think the term 'poisoned beef' means all beef is poisonous?"
The fact that nobody actually knows what Good Masculinity actually is..kinda means people are justified in thinking Toxic Masculinity is an attack on "all" of Men/Masculinity.
Kinda.
If you never hear about poisoned onions or celery you might think only beef gets poisoned.
If you never hear the phrase poisoned onions or poisoned celery you might think only beef gets poisoned.
Also, men are pushed by society (we live in one) to prove their masculinity. I’m not a naturally competitive person, but when I feel that people judge me based on how I compare to other men, I feel a twinge of it. It’s instinctive, but it’s also reinforced by, you guessed it, society.
Talking about toxic masculinity carries a lot of baggage due to a plethora of people who have taken positions that all masculinity is in fact toxic or that no masculinity is toxic, when it's really a case of some behaviors traditionally associated with masculinity can be toxic, especially if they are done without thought to what consequences those actions have.
Generally, it's led a lot of people to sidestep the whole issue and talk about the issues separately, rather than as a small part of a societal expectation of men.
Basically, people arguing in bad faith have made the topic not worth delving into by most people, since it carries so much baggage to have to disperse.
It's interesting how you mention that it really is personal what struck you about the movie. I cried during GOTG2 over Yondu as well, but GOTG1 struck me more personally. As a white, American male with a mother who's suffered from cancer twice now and whose name happens to be shared with the main character, the entire sub-plot about Quill's mother *killed* me. At the end, when the camera shows his mother's letter and it's addressed "To Peter", I couldn't help the tears.
EDIT: Now I'm crying about Rocket not feeling he deserves to be loved and creating scenarios for his friends to reject him, but them choosing to forgive him anyway. A great video about a great movie.
*Before video:*
"Oh boy, I love the funny Raccoon movies!"
*After video:*
Realizes Rocket suffers from the same mental crap I inflict onto myself.
"Oh..."
honestly, I feel like more like star lord in an emotional sense ( no my father never threatened to eat me or made me do crime, though he was an asshole like a lot cause he has his own issues)
Me at that scene where jandu shouts at rocket: sobs
Mr. Bump 2.0 your profile pic looks like Eddie from Silent Hill 2 on acid.
Chowder, you’re an idiot.
Jk I just wanted to say that I love your picture
The way you explain how someone who’s sick’s, last moments can shape how you remember them opened my eyes. And tears rushed out. My mother has been sick and deteriorating since I was 11. It’s so easy to forget who she was and focus solely on what the sickness has turned her into. Thank you for making me realize something so simple. This video made me subscribe.
How the fuck did I run into you way out in this part of youtube
Ok
My significant other lost both his parents when he was young and even now as a 36 year old, I still can tell how its effected him.
Hes getting better slowly, and it didnt help that many co workers he used to work with would accuse him of sexual assault, just because he isn't attractive. Hes finally getting his house finally cleaned and fixed up.
I'd had no awareness before this that Parkinsons of all things could affect your personality so much (at least, as much as, say, a brain tumor doing that would seem obvious to me). I mean, surely having pretty much any variety of significant chronic disease will inevitably have a mental and emotional affect on you, even if it's just frustration and feelings of powerlessness from the daily grind of dealing with the disease. But in the superficial way (& I totally get that) in which she's trying to describe her situation with her family, it sounds like she means it became almost like a Jack/Tyler Durden situation. Not any of the specific traits themselves, just how skewed that ratio would be of who you were/what you were like pre-disease against how you are now.
This video made me subscribe too, I love this movie way more than guardians one and I didn't really know why. But watching this it all makes sense. Realizing your parents aren't perfect, and maybe the parents you didn't actually like were better than you thought.
very touching video, I love how you made the message more clearer!
Lol is that a grammar joke about something or are you being serious with me rn
@@carmengogeidnas9670 be nice or leave
@@carmengogeidnas9670 you know that non native speakers exist, right?
@@ASanReig cheeky 😷
guardians 2 is better than 95% of superhero films..cause its about flawed people coming together embracing their flaws celebrating them and accepting them at its core.......its beautiful as a concept...crazy how no hero film used that as its basis really prior to that....its the biggest surprise film for me ever..i heard it was really bad..its shockingly good....its just subtle and unique...if you are a well off perfect person with no personal issues then this film will not touch you..as a weirdo at heart this film made me feel over and over....its meant for us flawed outcasts..its not mainstream...kids probably did not even get the themes thus it will not be their fave as they grow up and list these films...i suggest it over 1...its way more interesting concept wise...1 is pure entertainment and good for 1 viewing every 7 years and leaves you will a better first impression...2 sits with you longer and overtakes it once you actually think about them...kinda like how you watch mission impossible 2 and matrix reloaded and at first you enjoy them over the first films but the more you think about them they are less interesting and just entertained you more as a burst of stuff happening that kept your interest but barley stimulated your brain or feels..yeah for me i like guardians 1 but 2 is way more rewatchable
My dad actually said that he had left the family because he did not know how to be a father.
I recognized Ego really quickly.
Also regarding Peter's immaturity being a bit unevenly handled might boil down to the fact that there are levels of immaturity that are acceptable and levels that aren't.
Spending money on Lego sets can be an acceptable level of immaturity if you get the money for the kit by holding down a steady job and by saving some of your disposable income so you can allow yourself the occasional indulgence, but if you're jobless and wasting all your unemployment benefit on the same Lego set then it's an unacceptable level.
Peter doesn't need to completely grow up because if he did he'd lose a big portion of his charm, but he does need to learn what is an acceptable level of immaturity and what isn't.
You're just defending your own obsession with Lego sets, aren't you?
Ashish Randive ,😂😂😆
Ashish Randive Lego obsessions require no defending.
PassiveSmoking Got the Lego Milano yet?
That's kinda what Marvel's been doing with Tony Stark, too. Tony's becoming progressively better and better at sidelining his immaturity when it's a liability, still able to fast-talk when he wants but not letting the fast-talk overwhelm his good sense.
As the child of a verbally abusive mother, here is my take on Yondu's redemption arc. While what he did over the course his adoptive son's life wasn't right, I am able to forgive him the same way Peter does because he actually acknowledges that what he did was wrong and he shows genuine love and compassion by putting his adoptive son's life before his own. For me, there is nothing more painful than living through abuse and not even hearing someone admit that what they did was wrong. Additionally, admitting and apologizing for their mistakes or putting their child before themselves is something that other abusive fathers like Ego and Thanos would never do and, for me, that's what makes them cross the line into irredeemably bad.
Adrijana Radosevic thanks, that’s a really interesting perspective I’ve never heard before. Definitely something to think about
Agreed. For me, it was also really understanding the environment my mother grew up in - surviving a totalitarian regime, starvation, having her family be ostracized because her father was deemed an enemy of the people, and then immigrating to a foreign country because she wouldn’t be stifled any more than she already had been.
My mom has always been motivated by the right thing even if she chose hurtful and destructive ways to parent. She never took any sort of joy in being this way and the way she would repeat “it was for your own good/it was to protect you” became a mantra less to convince me and more to convince herself, the same way Yondu was with Peter.
Even then, she has deep regrets about not having more patience to deal with 2 kids. We were living hand to mouth and she’s only human. Getting Yondu’s backstory was very much like really internalizing what my mom’s life was like - there were some very rough circumstances in which they were trying to nurture children. Eventually, those children grow up into adults and if you’re truly a good person and did your job right as a parent, they eventually see you as fallible and can forgive you.
that was beautiful
This. Thank you.
America is also arguably on the cusp of a crisis about masculinity and it's changing definitions, where the old and the new sides of it have not yet been harmoniously integrated or honoured. So it sets some people off to feel that one side is being possibly denigrated.
I highkey need Lindsay to make a video on volume 3. Had me bawling in tears.
i come back to watch this every few months, trying to build up the strenght to talk to my father, who i havent really seen in years.
knowing that talking wouldnt change anything, he hasnt changed, i have, there is nothing i can do about that.
i dont know what to do, besides quietly hating and missing him.
I've tried letting myself be consumed by anger to forget someone i am very fond of, it did not work not one bit. I've come to terms that i will always have a special place in my heart for that someone but life's plans for us lead us different paths. And i found it so much lighter to have that acceptance. I don't know what your circumstances with your father were and if what I said may or may not apply to you, it's not easy but let go of the hatred and free yourself from its grasp. From time to time you'll still feel sad from missing him but you'll be able to breathe easier without the weight of anger. That's something you can do for yourself.
I will say to you this:
Make the effort and go see him and ignore what insults will come as you may know them all too well inside and out. DO NOT tell him you’re coming, just show up.
Hug him initially and then squeeze his rib cage just enough to feel them flex and not break and then release and hold him in an embrace. Let him go and know that without words you have spoken deeply in action by saying, “I love you, I could ******* kill you but, I love you.”
Do this for yourself and seek out his flaws and his success and inspiration in your life. Once he’s gone you will miss all of it and wish you could have just a moment more, regardless, in how that interaction plays out.
I will fully admit hugging him(my own father) for the first time EVER in my life as a full grown man was not unlike hugging a steel constructed frozen in motion old school boxy robot. I did it for myself and he was flustered and blushing afterwards as to be expected but, I did it for my own sanity and inner peace.
Closure is specifically for you and no one can give it to you. Forgiveness of others is for you in order to stop blaming yourself for others transgressions or shortcomings with you. Especially, if they occurred with you as a child or person that had no control of/over the outcome.
It sucks and may never stop sucking beyond sucking that sucks or ever has sucked but, at least you tried. This is all that matters at the end of the day.
Did you do better today compared to yourself yesterday? ...is truly one of life’s only most important questions, comparatively.
Talk to him
See, the reason I enjoyed the second Guardians movie so much is because doesn't shy away from the flaws of the characters. It embraces them and brings them up. They aren't ignored and we see the characters deal with them in their own way. They're allowed to be emotional and it's refreshing.
My father, who was horribly abusive to me yet tender and loving to my step-family died the day before you posted this.
I didn't talk to him for 10 years, we were making the first steps toward a possible tenuous reconciliation this year.
I....I wasn't ready for this video.
Robert Ruhland god bless ❤️
Came back to this video recently. My wife isn't a big fan of MCU but loves Guardians of the Galaxy. We were talking about why, and one of the reasons is that it is one of the few hero movies involving non-hierarchical teamwork. Many of the others are either solo, or have hierarchical leadership structures. Would be cool to see a video discussing hierarchical and non-hierarchical teams in pop-culture, including how Guardians of the Galaxy fits into that.
agreed, that would be so cool!
Every single time I ever encounter the term "toxic masculinity" I pull up this video and watch that bit. Miss u Lindsay, this whole video is golden
Nothing will ever be as funny to me as "I DON'T KNOW WHAT CHEERS IS!"
Kai Bishop,
No, it has been topped by A:IW...
DRAX: I'll do •you• one better; WHY is Gamorra?!
Dementia is the only thing that can strip Cheers from my memory.
😅😅
When the flaming arrow flew across the screen at the end of the movie in front of the ravagers, I realized I could hear his whistle. Thinking I heard wrong, I rewind the moment and I cried when I heard his whistle loud and clear.
Side note, when Peter started up the Zune, the song that highlight was on was 'Father and Son' by Cat Steven. Meaning the very last song Yondu listen to on the Zune, was 'Father and Son'.
Thats song bit hit me hard. Think i'm going to go rewatch GotG and cry now
"What is a Zune ?"
@@topbadgun It was like Microsoft's version of the iPod
@@themax734 "Exactly!!!!" - Sheldon Cooper (when he need to choose between PS4 and XBox One)
@@topbadgun It's one word, you don't need to quote it.
Honestly this is some of Lindsays best work right here.
I lost my mother to multiple sclerosis almost 17 years ago. I STILL have days where I feel like I'm coming to terms with my mother's death. Like your father, I lost my mother to the disease before she died. As time passes, I relate to my mother now more than I could during her passing and that has given me some peace.
I lost my Mum to MS almost 3 years ago, I sometimes have those moments of overwhelming emotion, but I still don't feel like I've properly come to terms with it either. I see old pictures of her before her diagnosis and I just don't recognise her.
So Sorry for your Loss!!!!! :( D:
It sounds like making this took a lot outta you. Literally. Like, you're voice was shaking harder than Shakira's hips during the eulogy section. You one tough hombre lady. I lost a parent a long time ago and it took damn near a decade before I came anywhere close to being able to come to terms with it enough to speak about it.
My dad and I don't have a particularly great relationship, this movie had me crying stone cold sober.
I never sat and thought about why this movie affected me so much but I think it's because my father never fully accepted me after I came out to him.. and my greatest fear is he dies before him and I have made amends.
Sangie Nativus im sorry to hear that man. My dad and I also don't have a great relationship, although we are not estranged. I feel my dad always wanted a straight masculine son he could play ball with, he dreamed about it and well... let just say that is not what he got with me. I truly hope you can one day make reconcile with your dad. I mean it.
The Bible Reloaded I'm guessing this is Hugo, not Jake. I remember you saying you were a fan of Lindsay's, but it's always weird seeing one channel I regularly watch comment on another one.
+The Bible Reloaded
The "Bible Reloaded" visiting channels connected to that guy with the glasses other than that of Brad Jones confirmed. I will now keep my eyes open on all of such channels that I visit.
whatsthejokersname Especially when said channel is occasionally a bit sexist. Though less so than other big UA-camr Atheist channels. So yeah, bit of a shocker for me too.
Another thing I love about the opening with Baby Groot dancing is how his parents (or, guardians, hehe) are protecting him from the battle while he dances -- so many of the Guardians' childhoods were full of neglect and abuse, thrusting them into dangerous situations and robbing them of their freedom to have fun and develop safely as kids. I feel like the opening can symbolize how committed all of them are to parenting better than they had been parented and protecting Baby Groot so he can enjoy his childhood!
I lost my father on my 25th birthday, and now I am 65. Yes, it can take years to heal. But I believe that the time will come for you, as it did for me, eventually, when the memories of his decline will no longer predominate, and you will be free to remember the joys of being his daughter. Then you will be blessed with happy memories again. May this come as soon for you as may be.
Thanks for your excellent series of videos. I have enjoyed them and learned from them. Yours sincerely,
Tricia Hutchins
Concord, NH
Thank u constance
lost my grandfather 9 years ago. at first i only remembered him as the sick old man he was in the last year of his life, but now i almost have to force myself to remember that. funny how it goes right?
You are a kind individual. Thank you.
I lost my mom at 30 and I'm still in the thick of it at 38. I still feel 12 regardless.
Thank you for this, Tricia. Thanks, Lindsay.
Have a nice day old man ❤️
I was abused as a child by my parents, as were siblings. The theme of abuse wasn't lost on me. The film doesn't have it perfectly, but it opens a dialog about complex relationships.
The bit with Gamora and Nebula resonated big time.
Great vid, as always. Worth the delay. 😀
Well, I pre-gamed for Guardians 3 by watching this and 2, and I'm worried I'm emotionally primed to cry alone in a crowded theater.
I sobbed so hard watching Vol 3
I really want to hear Linday's take on v.3
Patriarchal Frown Frowns would make a damn great name for a female punk band
Further Defenestrations +
Led by frontman Pan
Ah yes frontpan man, I definitely know what that is!
Mathieu Leader pan pizza?
mickeynotmouse No no Leatherman pita
I love the "MANTIS, LOOK OUT!" scene personally. Just always gets a chuckle.
YesFunnyTimingButBlockingOutHerMomentToFaceHerAbuseBackstory
KillPenguins AKA xtzyshuadog it’s just a movie, they can’t get everything right
@@0akes That isn't really a valid response to criticism.
@Christopher M Hansen are you critizizing a movie from a time of racism for being slightly racist.
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I think with the GotG3 backstory we got, I think the only thing I'll add is I don't think he expects to be abandoned. I think he just expects that, whatever the reason, he'll have to function when the people he cares about are gone.
Ravager Funeral was probably the most emotional moment for me.
The incomplete evolution of Starlord and Gamora's relationship turns pretty tragic given the events of Infinity War/Endgame
And now Peter is stuck in love with a woman who barely even knows him. I'm guessing GoG3 will be in part about him learning to move on.
@@Darth_Insidious Nah, if he can make it with her once, he can do it again, right?
@@jakespacepiratee3740 Issue is he probably will have expectations which may sabotage that.
To put it in perspective imagine your significant other was in an accident. They recover eventually but they have amnesia going back to a year or two before they met you. They have no idea, or close enough, of who you are and your attempt at affection are likely to come off as weird at best to unwelcomed and obsessive at worse. They are likely to be confused and unwilling to trust you completely because of how unfamiliar things seem. It's not a perfect parallel of course but there are some significant similarities.
@@Darth_Insidious A normal movie would have Peter woo Gamora until she regained the level of relationship with him she had in the past. Marvel isn't as much into breaking expectations as other producers, but it is difficult to tell which way they want to go with it.
@@josephperez2004 Maybe (and this is wishful thinking) having to deal with this loss in the face of the even bigger loss he could have to have dealt with if Gamora was completely lost to him will make him mature.......? Fingers crossed!
I feel like this movie is really underrated in the MCU as a whole. I'm so happy Gunn will get the opportunity to tie up his trilogy.
I don't think it's underrated, at least not that much. People I know that aren't big into the MCU usually call this one the favourite of them all.
God, every time I watch this video and you break down Rocket, I break down. I realize how many times I've attempted to drive people out of my life, and the people who kept staying and staying and kept telling me they loved me, without me being able to even recognize that that's what they were doing.
Like being picked last in sports, or knowing you'll be the only person "assigned" a lab partner, having to pretend you have parents picking you up soon after a school program, or always eating lunch alone. There are things you expect and take as inevitable.
When you finally find a group of people you love, you expect that empty feeling to bullrush you at any time. it's really subconscious at a point. You act out a little thinking to get it out of the way... they don't abandon you.
You start to grow feelings so you eventually act out harder and more strangely to get it over with so they will dump you faster and that perpetual feeling of isolation can replace this strange feeling of belonging that you know will only feel so much more worse the more you trick yourself into feeling like you might be accepted.
There is zero chance that anyone, not your parents, not your family, and especially not people who haven't even known you long enough to know what to hate about you. Or if your family has known and lived with you as long as they have, there is NO way that an independent party could. It's inevitable that they will see the same side as the people you grew up with eventually.
yeesh you just described me to a tee, i was exactly like this in school and deleted every single number i got from school after i graduated, burned a bunch of bridges because i just wanted to get away from them
so when a single former classmate reached out to me in a message asking how i was doing i just felt, strange
i always assumed she'd hung around me for pity, but to see that she still reached out to me after graduating.. man
I lost my dad to chronic illness (ALS). This video had me crying tears of legitimate unending sorrow. Thank you so much for the wise words - interpreting media can do so much to help with emotional turmoil.
So Sorry for your Loss!!!!! :( D:
In defense of the Pac-Man it is foreshadowed throughout the whole movie. The first scene is Star Lord literally using a repurposed video game to track a monster. Then when Ego tells him about his power to create he states that he will create weird shit and mentions Pac-Man.
Giant Rock Pac-Man v. Giant Rock Ego is pretty effective in revealing the feelings of their creators: When Ego decides he needs to "power-up", he imagines himself... Just, _bigger._ Peter on the other hand, he has to look outside himself for strength. Also, I think it's pretty cute that he picked a character whose most fantastic power is eating ghosts. That's, uh... Well, I think that's a neat way to visualize discarding dreams & feelings held since childhood.
Precarious Plays Not to mention how Yondu told Peter "Do you think when I
fly this arrow I use my head?" and "I don't use my head to fly my arrow, boy; I use my heart!" Peter made Pac-Man because he is a kid at heart. It's who he is. That's his character. It was foreshadowed like the OP mentioned as well. It's not like it came out of nowhere. I loved it because of how relatable Peter is.