Recover the Most Gold with the Least Effort - Production Smelting Techniques!
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- In this video, Jason shows his most recent technique for production smelting. Since it's incredibly time consuming to try to recover all the gold when smelting, it's best to get as much as possible on the first smelt and save the slag for later reprocessing. Jason shares the flux recipe and techniques he uses to recover around 95% of the gold on the first smelt.
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Love your videos, no chessy ass intros, no 3 minutes of what the video will be about, no wasting time like 99% of every video on UA-cam.
This man is awesome he helps by putting out these videos. Travels the world educating and helping others about gold recovery. Has his own plant and trunk key system, and still finds time to answer questions and help the smallest producer with help and knowledge. True hero wish I could give him more time in a day to do all he does but I don't possess that power m. What I can do is tell him thanks for the help might not even been more than a few sentences but did help me dial it in a little and for that I'm thankful for his help and content 🙏
Great Video Jason! You might wanna stay away from using those channel locks and get back to using forge crucible tongs or tools. I have seen and had a few crucibles break on me when using channel locks. Not good to have molten anything splash. Not to mention having to re-smelt again.
Man always very enjoyable nice to see you save this amazing metal you gotta love gold.
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Thanks for that, ought to xrf your material beforehand so as to assess the accuracy of that method of assay by comparison with your smelting measurements.
I like how you provide source links to the essential things needed to do the smelting.
Sometimes you use lead and other times lead litharge which is harder to obtain.
I guess it is best to use the lead litharge else you would not go thru the trouble to obtain it.
Litharge is good stuff. We use it in our assay lab.
I love your Experiments. Your a sharp dude I would love to sit down with ya have a couple of beers and pick your mind .. much respect for you brother 👊🏻
It looks like your sorting table picks up all heavy metals. What happens to the other metals like palladium using this smelting process?
The law of diminishing returns. It really is a matter of gauging effort vs. reward. Smelting and re-smelting to get every bit of gold becomes less cost-effective with each attempt.
I wonder if the iron addition would work better if you used swarf and mixed it into the flux in the beginning. Might be cheaper to source swarf as well.
Interesting approach! 👍
Sound wisdom from a pro, 80/20, keep teaching me sir, thanks
I loved the editing on this video. Enough was shown to communicate what the ideas were without spending an inordinate amount of time watching lead melt. (Don't get me wrong; there are times to go deeper into a given aspect of the process, but this wasn't one of them.)
Excellent vid Jason , short but sweet , cheers .
I love the organic roughness of those gold buttons
Gold Weight: 7.077 grams (equals 4.55 DWT, also known as pennyweight)
Purity: 18k
Gold Price: $1941.05 / troy ounce
Answer:
Total gold value is $331.24.
This doesn't mean you should expect to receive $331.24 from a buyer. This amount represents the current melt value using the live gold price.
I just looked at two dozen thermometers. I think that welders use some stupid thing like the color of the metal but if there's a thermometer you recommend. Am I alone in thinking that's a pretty cool one?
That looked like a huge jump away from the more basic fluxes, no kidding.
No silica? I suppose it's in there already as table material.
Thank you very much again.
Awesome video. I freqntly "jewelery carbon block" the ore type for what it's worth and wind up w/work backlog. Didn't notice "anhydrous" until this video. Oops. Got to roast my borax or torch it or buy the premade. Super video. Thanks again. Better than Ammen who helps sm scalers a lot. Still on the fringe of fire work but very impressed.
Attend to watch friend ,, gold smelting technique, ?? wow very useful, friend! greetings from the Indonesian Gold Finder💯✌️👍
Enjoy all of your videos and thank you for sharing. Your doing really good work.
Question: At the 0:18 mark, in the first container you showed us, you called it "concen-trate-top-are-shaker-table". Can you explain what that is?
Great Video !! It looks like a more, "refined" process (pun intended). Would a piece of rebar be a good way to get the iron into the process, or is your preference typically a bar? Seriously, thank you so much for the excellent information and video.
I do wonder. If you lose hypothetically 5% of your gold in slag etc. have you tried mercury? I know your tables you’ve shown actually can even help recover mercury waste from ore, and mercury isn’t super great for the environment. But if you do it methodical and use a mercury retort to capture the mercury perhaps it might be worth trying once for a comparison. It’d make a heck of a video that’s for sure. When ask Jeff Williams did a video on mercury retorts and amalgam I was dumbfounded.
You could do a video where you compare two processes. You could recrush and process some waste that might have 5% gold in it and process how you normally would and then also process a batch using the mercury retort and amalgam method to see if there’s a big difference in gold recovery. If there’s no big difference then it’d show mercury isn’t worth messing worth, but if mercury is way super in some processes it’d be worth noting.
Can you reclaim metals from electrical components using this method?
Cool love it!
How did you go from 5:22 little pyramid to the button?
I had the same question. I assume he’s uses the magnesium cupel and lead smelting process
Incredibly helpful video! T/Y One item you did not mention - the pyramid cone. Did you make it? If so - can you give some details about it. Thanks again!
same question ...
Have you tried calling slag slowly in cone mold
Cooling not calling lol
Really impressive I just I to know the names of the chemicals and quantity needed to smelt 1kg of slag or tail where I come from we sell the slag or tail after washing it
Thanks for shareing
How long did it take you to capel the button? For me it seemed to take a while in my forge. I've found that oxy acetylene with the smallest welding tip worked best. You can adjust your flame to a slightly more oxidizing flame and drive off the lead quickly
The temperature of the oven how much need to be
More than 2000 degree
Thanks Jas for producing these vids, Im new to the game of gold but have learnt plenty from your wealth of experience 👍👍
I’ve been trying some simple smelting myself using borax method but not having any success.. I’m using a small graphite crucible with your lpg/vacuum heat source.. I heated the gold/borax mix( all dry) as much as I could but couldn’t get it to a viscosity which would pour, it just all stuck inside the crucible, looked like the borax slag had absorbed graphite from the crucible but the gold did not seem to melt together at all. I have not got a furnace so maybe not enough heat, I don’t know where I’m going wrong? Any suggestions would be huge help. And thanks again for the great videos.
Cheers
Jason in Australia 🇦🇺
Jason never replies here. So i will share with you what i did:
I had the same problem , and i have found that you want to make sure your crucible is well protected from any wind or rain or any cold weather (optimally you would do this in the heat of summer in a covered area with no wind.
Now the next level is to buy some heat proof wool . something like kao wool and make a little oven for your crucible. that way you can really create a space that won't lose heat and really insulate it and help with heat loss.
It is not required however. As long as you make sure you don't have any wind you should be ok.
Now , it may melt within 10 mins or it may melt in 45 minutes. IT all depends on how small your amount and crucible is and how much gas you are using.
I personally would NOT use a graphite crucible. I would go for the little cups they have the white cheap ones on amazon. They do well after you glaze them (i assume you know about glazing but if not research crucible glazing)
And that's pretty much it.
Make sure to use the right amount of borax and a trick to doing that if you have powdery light gold is to put some borax in there , melt it down nicely then put your gold in. so that your gold doesn't fly away from the strength of the flame and sticks to the borax.
And also it is hard to tell where the optimal heat is at in terms of how far away from the gold you want to keep the torch for it to melt properly. All i know is that when i did melt it ( at the most i did about 2 ounces) it took a WHILE one day and i didn't melt it, and the next day i hunkered down and it melted in about 20 minutes... This is to illustrate that unless you have an oxy -acetylene torch, you have to REALLY get everything right for gold to melt well. And yes i still haven't been able to get it hot enough to pour into a mold just using propane...
It tends to melt just enough to where it is liquid but if you take the torch off it for a second or two it will solidify QUICK.
Hope this helps.
Thanks Pop-n-Son!
Can you use only borax to do this??
Hi 'can you please share the lowest cost idea ? which chemical are used in smelting process ?
fantastic :)
How much did it take all materials and equipment together to make that gold piece?
Hi Jason..this concentrate directly out of shaking table and no need to roast and is that the reason you use pottasium nitrate on your flux ?
so i had bought some ore on ebay 30lbs of it was wondering if i could send it to u and see what u get out of if. maybe do a video on why not to buy ore on ebay.
How pure was that button? XRF reading at least. I know quartizing then pulling impurities out by dissolving in acids etc will refine it but how pure by just smelting?
Thought soda ash and potassium nitrate were of the same components alrighty then.I see I'm subscribed are you?
Soda ash is sodium hydroxide.
@@jeffcard3623 my badd I meant pot-ash and potassium nitrate
would like you to stay safe and unhurt . please .. get proper forge tongs for your crucibles and cupels . gloves and face shield should also be on the list .
Are you going to save and process the matting at the end of the year ??
Can you buy a bag of quartz based garden rock from like Home Depo or Lowes and process it?
Save the slag for the people who will be doing this 100 years from now.
Will this work with microscopic gold?
What about the other metals Rhodium, Platinum, Palladium?
I need a cone mold like that
No sugar to make carbon foam matrix?
That makes sence when you are only talking 5 to 10 grams, but when you are talking ounces or kilos then loosing 5% could be alot of money!
Have a GREAT Day!!!
I am getting to have a few pounds of processed concentrate lying around after running through a blue bowl..I classified down to -50, pulled the magnetite out before running, and ran it separate. I think I got almost all the visible gold out, but do you think it's worth trying to smelt this material?
Nah it's not worth it. Just send it to me, i'll dispose of it safely for you!
How the processing for pure gold..🙏
Sir how do you silver polish on steel pot
Probably a dumb question but why do you melt into a crucible and then pour the melted material into a cone mold? Why not put the cone mold into the furnace and do away with the crucible entirely. Crucibles are can crack and there is a safety risk lifting them out to do the pour. I'm sure there is a good reason but I dont know what it is!!
Adam Swire
13:52 Temp of melted mixture in crucible: 2183 F
Melting temp of most steel: Approximately 2500 F
At over 2000 F, steel loses most of it's strength and rigidity, so the steel cone mold could warp and sag, spilling the contents of the smelt.
@@xenaguy01 100% correct. I've tried it. Not very pretty. All over the inside of your furnace, thank God none of it ever got on me. definitely , just take xenaguys word for it, you'll be glad you did.
@@xenaguy01 So a conical clay graphite crucible then?
@@garydunn9418
Could possibly work, but you'd probably have to break your graphite cone each smelt. Would drastically raise your per-smelt cost.
@@xenaguy01 One more thing, use one shot cones,if they are ever available or make your own clay crucibles.Might be a cost BUT,if you are getting good precious metals yields its okay :-)
It IS possible to get all the gold!
That little you lose are called demolishing returns and at some point they cost as much or more than what they return.
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وهل عرفتهم بعد اخي
صديقي استخدم البوراكس وكربونات الصوديوم والقليل من السيليكا . الاهم انك تعمل فرن حراري استخدم طوب حراري لعمل فرن صغير وتأكد ان الحراره تعدت ال ٢٠٠٠ درجة
You scared me when you picked that clay crucible up by the rim with pliers. Please use lifting tongs and pouring bars. That slag is so sticky, even your pants and boots will not prevent your legs and feet from being burnt to the bone if that crucible breaks.
Yang warna merah itu bahanya apa pak
Diminishing returns in economist speak. "80% more cost to extract last 20%."
Good night
You use lead for collector metal?
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Who the hell is the dislike from? What is there to dislike?
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Why not advocate storing the slag? After 10+ smelts, you then re-smelt the combined slag to capture 90%+ of the previous loss with minimal effort.
That bead of gold is worth about $400.
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What’s that like $7000 right there
Gold Weight: 7.077 grams (equals 4.55 DWT, also known as pennyweight)
Purity: 18k
Gold Price: $1941.05 / troy ounce
Answer:
Total gold value is $331.24.
This doesn't mean you should expect to receive $331.24 from a buyer. This amount represents the current melt value using the live gold price.
I think everyone tries to smelt too fast and cool down too fast, Doesn't give enough time for all the gold to settle properly. I thinking of designing a slow heating smelter that gradually heats and cools.
wth is this? cutting the video so you dont show how to get the gold out...
when can you do a video on calico pyrite, getting the metals out of that material... cheers
Can you make a furnace without the shop vac like the retail ones?