Smelting Gold Concentrates
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- Опубліковано 11 гру 2021
- Smelting sulfide black sand concentrates for gold and silver. Going over the flux, furnace, and process for recovering more gold from your black sand and sulfide concentrates.
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Chemist here: You have a huge amount of sulfides in that bucket. I think you need much more iron, with a larger surface area, to do the job in a finite time. I would go to a local machine shop and get their swarf (turnings).
I'll never get over the fact of your furnace is jus some k wool blankets
I don't know from beans if it's worth it, but it sure is fun to watch! Thanks
Great video Jason👍...Love the smelts!!!!
Great video! I love the way you let us watch the cooling convection patterns in the flux.
8:27 point was awesome. that natural cooling pattern looked so cool!
Thanks Jason, really appreciate and enjoy your videos, thanks for doing what you do, much respect brother.
Another great video. Thanks for all the hard work and thought. Always thought provoking, and instructional.
Have you looked into creating something that looks like 'jewelry centrifugal casting machine" - do a search on that and how it works? You may be able to make a sharper cone Casting shape that is more efficient. I enjoy your videos than i know they are a lot of work that you don't have to do. Thanks for sharing.
Interesting video friend 🤔thank you and please keep the great videos coming friend from Scotland 👍😊
Watching it cool down at around 11:10 to 12:12 is exactly what I suspect Sharon Weiss's Marie Callender's pumpkin pie looked like coming out of the oven!
Your experiments are always very interesting!!
Great interesting vid Jason, well done!
Thanks Jason I enjoy your vids
I love how raw you guys are. Like fuck it why not show it pour over. Lord knows none of us would be doing it any better or measuring as exact
The gold and lead don't pour over, they sink to the bottom.
Well done ! And your really coming along with sub’s !
Jason, you’re still the man!
Living the dream..thanks for the videos..I learn so much
Your videos are very interesting. I enjoy the education. I'm more of a placer guy but I would love to see your operation sometime. I live here in Washington. Take care and best of luck!
A wealth of knowledge I always enjoy viewing >>>>>>>>>>>>> A piece of cardboard between crucible and firebrick will keep them from sticking but you need a "cold start"
Hello Jason, super interesting and useful video. I always enjoy watching and absorbing your Informative Brain Waves!
Thanks buddy
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Good to see video from your channel again
As always a great in depth review! I'm fairly new to melt metals now, but have access to some good ore, bit heavy on the copper side. But looking forward to crushing and getting some results, I've already learned how roast sulfates by you and with some success! Wishing you all a Merry Christmas and a New Year with a great gold recovery. All the best from Blackhawk CO.
Great job Jason thank you I am not sure if it is worth the effort but it all adds up two thumbs up my friend
While the tiny button itself didn’t even pay for the propane, the information gleaned was much more valuable. If they can pull 50 tons (seems like a lot, but it isn’t that much really) of the same quality ore, and run 5-7 ton batches a day, and only do the final smelts every 20 tons or so… well it would probably pay their bills for the next couple years.
You get such wonderful "convection cells" appearing just after you pour. I will use this the next time I teach astronomy, as it looks so much like the surface of the sun.
This is highly interesting.... Great Job
I love watching the cone cool off it reminds me of the surface of the sun.
it would be worth it to stock pile for the winter when a person would have more time to deal with this after the season is done for the year, that is my idea on if its worth it i would have to say a big YUP IT IS/WOULD ,, thank you for the tips and info
Doing the rough math it looks as if you are making more money than the cost of materials. (propane,flux mix, ect.) But I didn't factor in your initial cost of equipment. How many smelts do you get per crucible? How often do you have to rebuild your kiln? How much do you have in collecting your material? All expenses that need to be figured. Chances are you would be better off working for Wal Mart if all you're interested in is money. If you're looking for anything else then it's worth every penny the cost. Keep the videos coming. They are great!
Love your videos. Gold is gold so yes.
This is useful since I'll be getting samples from north Jersey, which are mostly going to be weathered pyrites and chalcopyrites.
Asking for comments! Jason you're a true youtuber! 👍Soon selling mining equipment will be your side job...
Even if you didnt get a huge amount, breaking even in this case is better than keeping that value in fiat currency. You win, because metals will only go up and the dollar is going down.
The experience makes it worth it. Now I’ll have to look again but if 7.5oz per ton isn’t enough for folks they obviously should be sharing their ways of making money 😏
Wayne, I think Jason meant to say 7.5 grams per ton, because 7.5 oz is a fortune per ton.
Pyrite can contain up to .25% gold. A ton would be potentially worth 109,000 at the current market price.
can someone explain to me why i love watching these so much?
Another great video..thank you.👍
Hell idk but, if I went out for 3 full dedicated hours in my truck going around trash picking and dumpster diving for scrap i'd at least cash in 80$-100$, (minus 15$ or so for the 1/4 tank of gas)
Really great video. I got a interested into prospecting and smelting after i found a bit of shiny ( gold/slivdrish )bits stuck to quartz in some ancesteral property( 16000sq mts)
Great video
Think the learning process, is always worth a couple of bucks.
Getting some shiny out of it, might be worth learning, as we have seen here, how to refine the process, for each type of concentrate.
I find these videos so informative. I wasn't so interested in gold refining but I can't keep myself away.
Love the way this metal looks like when it starts to cool down almost like something off of a star trek show, like a lava lamp!!! But great info either way!!
very cool i have a 3,9 oz bar i made i now know what i need to do to purify this thank you my friend great video
Thanks for the video.......
I can't put a $ amount on the rewards for this. Its just cool as hell. Thanks for all the videos
A hobby that yields any return on investment, however small, is still a great hobby!!
Btw, those gradeA Danger pouring tongs make me nervous. :)
Any amount of gold and/or silver that you can recover is worth it. I live in Spokane WA as soon as I recover from the stroke I had I'm gonna rebuild my backyard foundry. I had one years ago on FL. I miss smelting my own gold and silver. I got in to buying scrap right before the price boom. But that's in the past. And I have learned easy in easy out till no more in and it runs out. Cash I mean. But anyways I love you sample smelting setup.
Great video! How old is that cone mold? The wear on the top edges make it look like its been in use for decades.
I would like to see an experiment where a bucket or two of these cons are spread outside in the weather for a couple months to oxidize, then reran on the shaker table. I’m curious if that would free up more of the gold
Or perhaps if a pile of already ran sulfur ore which was ideally high in copper was allowed to sit in an outdoor pond..... And see if metallidurans might "poop" or sweat out gold for us in about a years time. I heard that a certain method which includes allowing the "trash tailings" to be exposed to the elements for a years time results in half the value that can be recovered each year, Ex: year 1= $1 million. Year 2= $500k. Year 3= $250k.
It looks like, for the re-processing of the slag from the first time, you only added soda ash and no silica sand. Could this be the cause of the foaminess?
Interesting that the second button was mostly silver. Reminds me of that video using the Parkes Process. Maybe that silver doesn't like lead as a collector metal.
You should take photos of the patterns on top of the cone mold and sell prints!
Have you ever run blanks (reagents w/o concentrates) to determine if there's any residue or contamination (carryover from prior runs)?
What about spiking a sample of concentrates w/a known amount of gold and running it in conjunction w/another aliquot of the sample as a control? Theoretically the yield of the spiked sample would be the sum of the sample plus the known addition.
Great idea! Like calibrating/validation of the process.
Hi Jason,
Any thought on smelting loaded ion exchange resin beads? They should be 5-10% gold.
I'm not an expert, but I've found that the higher the concentration of Au, the more profitable when smelting. This suggests that you might do better by roasting and re-concentrating on your wet table. If you lose some gold on the shaker, well it's gold that's too expensive to extract anyway. Give it a try.
Would a greater iron surface area help with reducing more metals out of the sulfides?
I think the way to go would be to roast the cons and set up a leaching column. You could 'passively' enrich the concentration by circulating the solution and running it through a charcoal filter. Then process that down once a month or whatever. Just keep circulating and filtering till you get a negative stannous test.
Good job mate, can i use silver as a collector metal.
I wonder if it might simplify the cone molding process to use a smaller cone mold, which would overflow and spill most of the slag. The lead will still sink to the bottom of the mold, but this would allow the cone mold to cool more quickly and let you recycle the lead sooner.
If it's to hot and kicks or bubbles over u can stop it by adding some sand. I know this from steel making. Slag is the same ,sulfur, phosphorus, solicits,ect... but the sand will just melt and turn to a glossy black slap when cool it floats to the top of your molten slap so it will stay away from the bottom
I can't believe that them ceramic crucibles are that strong. It's crazy!! I can understand heating them up in the kiln but when you pick them up white hot with them pliers I expect them to bust and shatter every time
The larger volume you have to smelt at a time would make it more convenient and cost effective, imagine if you had a ton of this material and could smelt 500lbs at a time, would you be happy with 1.75oz per smelt? I definitely would be, its just a volume to cost to time ratio that needs to be figured out.
Very well put
It would require building more equipment just to manage such masses, including a large furnace, and powered lifting equipment. These would be expensive and you would need a consistent supply of large volumes of sulfide material to conceive of graduating to that sort pf processing capability. Also at those scales you would attract the attention of environmental regulators, who would no doubt make your life harder still.
@@keithwood6459 I think you answered your own question with this reply, but I love watching your vids whatever your up to.
Energy costs are significant to, but you are correct.
This is how modern large gold mines work. They don't look for veins, they just find soil rich in gold, and smelt it by tons
Nice.
Nice vid! Did the pH of the closest waterbody downwind drop due to the SO2 production? That's what made Sudbury look like hell on earth for years.
5:55 would it help if you preheat this pyramid metal form before pouring mix to it?
Using floatation recovery this is good grade material. You need to use bubble floatation process to concentrate.
Was the bismuth not working out as a collector metal?
Hey Jason, Does it work better to roast the sulfides and then melt or to just go to the direct smelt?
A few questions . What make is that crucible? What was the metal thing you pulled out on the 3rd pour. I’m only been doing easy 3 aluminum, brass and copper just a couple of years . Still learning . I work at the 20 mule team . On your smelts I’m so confused on what you did. Only breaking the tip.
It would be cool to see you on Gold Rush and testing their tailings to see what you get out of it!
He actually offers knowledge. Gold Rush is a television show designed to display drama.
@@jeffmorin5867 right, but a cameo on there would build up his following.
Does the iron bar change weight after you have used it in your smelting? I really enjoy your channel and appreciate all the information you share.
Yes. He puts the iron because it is more reactive than the precious metals. All the oxides attack the iron and make iron oxide.
Jason, приветствую! Этот материал, можно переработать с гораздо меньшими затратами! Нужен тигель из жаростойкой нержавейки, наподобие сковороды wok. Флюс- NaoH три части! 3/1 с материалом! Коллектор нужно брать галенит, либо церуссит! Чистый свинец или висмут, не успевают собрать металлы высвобождающиеся из сульфидов! Тигель с выпуклым дном, не острым а то прогорит! Мощной пропановой горелки, вполне хватит для плавки открытым пламенем! Греть снизу и нужно интенсивно перемешивать в процессе плавки! Смесь сильно пенится, в процессе восстановления, около 10- 15 минут. Потом можно поднять температуру до красного каления. Около 600- 650 градусов достаточно! До повторного кипения доводить не нужно! Выдерживаем ещё 5 минут и даём остыть в этом же тигле! Из сотни способов, которые перепробовал, этот оказался самым простым и эффективным. Извлечение металла, получается близким к 100%
You need a bigger cone mold.
Cool
Do commercial gold operations go after the gold trapped in sulphides or just the free metallic gold ? does it depend on how much silver and silver compounds are present to determine when its economic ?
Do you stir the molten material and then let it settle out?
youre like the adam driver of smelting
Jason, Did you roast those sulfides? Sometimes I forget to. I recently tried roasting some ORE. It made some beads that looked pretty good. It was a pain in the ass though. If you have a big camp fire roast it. (Stay back, it may explode) after a while it stops that.. I saw a photo of roasted ore with bbs all over it.
What is the cost for all the materials so is it cost effective
If you put the collector metal in as one lump, is that going to be as effective as spreading some lead shot across the top of the melt? Could there be gold suspended in the slag that hasn't come into contact with the sinfle lump of collector metal?
I wonder if your sulfides aren't processing due to flux chemistry or lack of carbon. I've noticed how much reduction happens to the iron and the improved look of the slag in previous sulfide vids that I'm not seeing here. The steel didn't seem to have reduced in size at all. In the others that rebar (?) was significantly reduced in size. Just wondering maybe I've missed something or maybe I'm comparing apples and oranges. I need to go rewatch those vids...
How come the crucibles do not come with a spout or slot to pour off like a Pyrex measuring bowl does? Seems like some is stuck to the sides.
2nd- Is there a titanium crucible that melts at higher temps than Platinum and Palladium?
If you can figure out your biggest cost & figure out a way to either greatly reduce this or make use of the input for something else. I know it's cold in the winter there & you are using a lot of heat. If you could find a partner that could make use of the waste heat, that would cut down or eliminate much of the input cost. IDK if you have land, but heated green houses or even just heating a larger building with the waste heat from the process.
MBMM, where do you get the nice crucibles?
At current "spot" price, assuming 1 ozt Ag per ton, and 6 ozt Au per ton, yields about $10,700.00. If the Go/NoGo margin is 4%, the total cost per ton must be $10,300.00 or less.
I want to know where you get your molds at and you're crucificals and compels
I would think it depends on how you could scale it and how much material you could get to use. If a person really needed to I guess you could do several ton batches with coal fired furnaces....If the numbers worked out there.
that is crazy gold
Diminishing Returns. How much do you spend on Propane each run?
My rule of thumb is $75/hr inclusive of consumables so $300 .so you would need approx 5 grams. To get this you would either need to do multiple or larger melts in the 3.5 hrs.
How much material do you think is lost in the over pouring.
@ Mount Baker Metal in mining when you reuse a crucible to melt is there still Trace element still left in your Crucible I know that sounds big so the first melt before you put the lead in to receive your precious metals I noticed it the beginning of this video that your Crucible was dirty I was just wondering if there could be Trace precious metals on the inside of that dirty Crucible this is in no way a critique or criticism it's just a question for my own personal knowledge
I just don't want to think that my ground is more valuable than what it is if I'm reusing crucibles from different places that I've used them from before
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that whole foundry looks red hot from the outside, that means you are loosing way too much heat... maybe add another layer of isolation?
It would be nice to know how much stuff you have smelted over the years. Is that your main business line? Do you do it on contract basis?
I'm making a gold melting furnance out of a 20 gal. Hot water heater to be using a 15 kg.crucible w ha should the inside detentions be to be efficient?
I melted a bunch of scrap silver a few years ago, and all the ingots I poured have a gold color to them. Is there an easy way to separate what ever the metal is that turned them that color ? Or should I send it somewhere ?
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You could use your thermometer gun to check the temperature of the cone mold before pouring.
As for if it's worth it, did you get a gold concentrate off the shaker table? If so the mining might be worth it, but smelting the sulfide split is probably not. Only you know your costs structure, but if you value your time into it, I think you would have to at least make that worth $100 an hour, because you could be doing something useful with those four hours. There there's cupels, fuel, flux, electricity. Yet you made only about $40 worth of gold. So you would need at least 12-15 times as much gold in the sulfide smelt to be worth it, without increasing the volume of sulfides, because with increased volume would be additional costs in fuel, consumables, time, etc.
If you try to scale up to a larger process, you would probably save on fuel, but it would be increasingly difficult to manage everything, requiring equipment to lift and pour, etc. So unless you want to build special equipment for handling you are stuck with your current process.
What can the spent cupels be used for? Can you dissolve them in acid and recover your lead?
With the gold yielded here, (+/- $40) and factoring in roughly three hours of smelting effort, not including materials, an Amazon tier 1 hourly employee is paid about the same for 3 hours of work which does not factor in overtime during their Amazon Prime promotional sessions twice a year.