Heavy Metallurgy Presents: Episode
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- Опубліковано 30 бер 2023
- As one of the Peaceville Three who helped bring doom metal into the forefront of the metal underground, MY DYING BRIDE's legacy is unquestionable. Their albums range from pure death-doom to gothic to almost alternative and back again. Tom (Cine Arcadia YT channel) joins the show to discuss the twists and turns existing throughout MDB's 30-ish year career.
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Aaron here from MDB. Thank you for your honesty. It was a delight to watch this.
I never really got the hate for '34.788%... Complete' - it had a reputation - and still carries one - for being MDB's "experimental" album, but to me it was nowhere near as weird an album as 'Turn Loose the Swans' was. The strangest song on this album was "Heroin Chic", but if it weren't for that song, I think this album would ever have stood out very far from the rest of their catalogue at the time. I still rather like this album, and even "Heroin Chic" grew on me over the years for all its weirdness....
Totally agree. You know what you're talking about. I believe many people just went along with the "first initial superficial reaction trend" without basis (with a triphop track essentially), concerning the album in that year, and subconsciously still do. A lot of their post catalogue becomes monotonous, this album stands out to me. I really like 34.788. In my top 7 My dying Bride albums
I gave it a re-listen. Yep, good album.
100%.
I was surprised to hear for myself that it wasn't nearly as bad as people told me back when it came out. It had it's moments. Heroin Chic wasnt one of them! But still, this one ranked super low for me and I likely won't go back to it. Paradise Lost did it better I think. Thanks for watching.
@@HeavyMetallurgy You can't put them all in the top slot! :) With a band that has been around this long, with this many albums, you can't put them all in your top five! Something will have to fall into 14th place eventually, and if the band is doing its job right and testing its boundaries and exploring a little something new and evolving every now and then, there's a good chance the lower-ranking album will earn its low ranking one way or another.
Alas, there's going to have to be a 34.788%... in every discography, sooner or later. Fair enough to rank a black sheep album super-low, and fair enough that it's just not your cup of tea. It's the hate for this album I never got: that is, the inability to give it a fair shake on its own ground both as a sum of its parts, and as a collection of individual songs - I think some listeners forget that there's a little more to the album than "Heroin Chic" :D
Thanks for the memories!...My Dying Bride is my favourite band!!!...heard them for the first time in 1995, you guys remind me of how I managed to get the albums on my own without the internet!!! 😅😅😅
Those were the days! We cannot deny the conveniences the Internet has provided, but sometimes the complexity of a new music hunt back then, made the prize all the more special. Thanks for watching!
@@HeavyMetallurgy yeah!...missed those days, back in Ecuador, my friends didn't like metal so I was on my own buying 10th generation tapes without even knowing the bands, just judging by name or cover...luckily didn't get disappointed!!!
Band I’ve always struggled to get into but the stream spurred me to try again…..went with your number 1s. Swans and debut have been purchased and they’re on their way. Kudos guys.
We're sorry AND you're welcome? Haha. That seems fitting somehow! Thanks for watching.
Should have just played them on Spotify 😊
Sometimes a band's most well-loved album tends to be a product of its time: you had to be there when it was released to appreciate why it's so popular. 'Turn Loose the Swans' might be an exception: it's one of the band's more popular albums, and a large part of that was the novelty of where it was coming from against a backdrop of death metal falling out of fashion, but still manages, I think, to bring some nice surprises for newcomers decades later, without many imitators out there to pick up the basic formula and polish it up in some more user-friendly, modernized format. I don't think you can go far wrong for a first MDB album with 'Turn Loose the Swans', and if that album isn't to your taste, I don't think anything My Dying Bride did afterward will quite change your mind, as they never stray very far from what they did on 'Turn Loose...."
Personally, I think 'Like Gods of the Sun' is maybe the band's most user-friendly and beginner-friendly album: fairly simple and direct mid-length songs that keep the weird experimental hijinks that a band like this could get into tasteful and restrained, with some of Aaron's most inoffensive and refined clean vocals and almost no growls: 'Like Gods of the Sun' might well be MDB's "girlfriend album", the album that you can lend out to someone who might not "get" your heavy metal tastes, without having to worry about scaring them too badly. If you find yourself wishing for something a little more normal from the band, then this is about as "normal" and radio-friendly as MDB ever gets!
Those first couple albums, and 'The Light at the End of the World' might find their best appeal among fans of death, black, and extreme metal, and little patience for slow songs, melody, and experimental gimmicks. It's possible for some fans to like this heavier side of My Dying Bride and have little or no use for most of the rest of the band's catalogue. If you end up liking the debut and not 'Turn Loose...', then the second album and 'The Light...' might not be a bad place to go next, with some of the later albums maybe being a nice mix of these two sides of the band that might or might not work for you.
The vocals are different on Ghost of Orion because they're nearly all double or triple tracked with harmonies, something that was rarely done on previous albums.
I understand what Alan said about it being too crisp or too produced and losing some of the atmosphere. Every other album takes me mentally/visually into the gloomy doomy story of the songs. Ghost of Orion makes me feel like I'm in the studio control room listening to the band track the songs.
34.788% should have been at least their gawthikk Turbo (that'd be fun), but it turned out to become a colder lake still, their own far from divine insane one. That album turned me off MDB for years in a row (i bought it, understood it but couldn't like it). It took me at least a decade to buy The Light at the end of the world and really appreciated it, so i kind of resumed to paying attention to the group again, in the meantime finding opportunity to hunt a bit of their vinyl back catalogue through their famous label. It's good they have kept steady through recent years. and i definitely enjoyed Orion and Macabre Cabaret, where they've honed their knack for being gloomy, melodic and potentially accessible to wider (but not much) audiences. It's a band that mark's one's own Metal memory, and all you got to do is remembering the impact that ep had on you in the fall of 1991... crepuscular splendour.
Really need to get some more mdb into the collection I only have for lies I sire but this deep dive has helped with what to get next congrats on the 100th episode here's to 100 more thanks fellas!
Thanks so much! It has been a blast. We're glad we could be of service on your MDB quest. Thanks for watching!
I think one of the things that keep My Dying Bride going for those of us who were there from the beginning, and especially those early albums, is that My Dying Bride were the right band at the right time for this sort of thing - the comparison to Cradle of Filth is fair enough, but Cradle of Filth was sort of corny, wasn't it? As was death metal at the time, where Cannibal Corpse had more or less taken that genre over, and by then that genre had already become a sort of cartoon caricature of itself. My Dying Bride did their thing, it was fresh and new, and it sounded - and still sounds - pretty damned serious and authentic.
I'm trying to think of anything similar to MDB at the time, and you had a couple of Swedish bands that were doing something a little bit like this - Candlemass is the obvious template that MDB "copied", and the Tiamats and Cemetarys and maybe Katatonia were close for a couple years, and Cathedral and those other two "Peaceville Three" bands , and of course Celtic Frost had set most of this template with "Into the Pandaemonium", and there's a bit of Fields of the Nephilim in there too as they began drawing more and more from a metallic pallete, and I suppose Skyclad or Amorphis might also be lumped in at a stretch - but these other bands had different tones, moods, and textures altogether.
Other than these bands, death metal had played itself into a rut at the time, and I think a lot of us were really ready for something a little fresher to fill the void that was being left as death metal and some of the other emerging metal subgenres became more commercially viable and started losing a lot of its gravity and authenticity. While those other bands were turning to politics to sound a little more serious, or otherwise were LARPing as werewolves hurting cartoon victims, My Dying Bride really managed to sound like they were in genuine, crushing pain and misery and searching for some bright spot of hope, at maybe a time in our young lives when that angsty sort of thing kind of hit the right sweet spot.
CoF are indeed corny, but if you boil it down, the pseudo dark poetry and romanticism surrounding MDB has it's own blend of corny. To me anyway. Sometimes the turtleneck shirt, long stem candles and red wine vibe comes across in their presentation. It works for them, but yeah... there's a level of cheese worth acknowledging. But still.... such a groundbreaking and important band with a monstrous level of quality and innovation in their catalog. They sound like no one else. Thanks for watching!
@@HeavyMetallurgy - No doubt about it: it's a different kind of corny, but it's there. One of my favorite bands, but I absolutely think part of the weird, gloomy fun of the whole thing is in nodding along to the music with a grim expression, mourning "Uh oh: more pain and suffering, the misery! And bad days, too! And that's on a good day. Not only that, but now I'm dead again, I am dead again...." I refer to it as a sort of drinking game: "Oh, he said 'agony' - that's surely another drink to add to the alcohol poisoning, and there's 'doom'!"
I absolutely adore the interviews I've seen with Aaron: turns out when he's not in character as frontman of the gloomiest band on earth, he and his band have got quite a sense of humor, and I'm sure he's quite aware of how over-the-top the whole thing gets, and he and his band are OK with that, even while he plays the character to the hilt on stage....
100 episodes! Congrats to you both. Big fan of My Dying Bride, been following them since the first ep. And for the most part, not the complete 34,788 % nonsense album, a pretty great discography. Keep up the great work gentlemen. Cheers.
Thanks a lot Roger! We appreciate you hanging in there with us!
And I'm with you, other than a few years here and there where I checked out, I'd eventually come back to MDB... they're a special band and this past week of preparation for this stream reminded me of that. Thanks for watching!
I did a double-take when the video started, I thought is that me on there with Marty? Tom could easily pass as my Brother...LOL!! MDB is a band for me that I like EVERY album. Not one of them turns me off!!
Handsome fellas the both of you! Thanks for watching Mitch!
Enjoying the deep dive into one of my top five bands. Just to put you straight, York shy Ah does not exist. If you put your EAR next to York you'll be close to correct.
Thanks for the heads up and for watching. Glad you enjoyed the show.
Fantastic 100th episode, guys. Wish I could have watched live, but I was busy.
This is a band near and dear to me since their demo, which I bought when the band released it and still own. Have all of their releases. Definitely a favorite band. Gun to head, probably going with Turn Loose The Swans, but multiple others could easily slide into that spot.
Mega props to Marty for the debut taking his number one spot. Great pick. Definitely way, way up there for me.
Glad you enjoyed the show and thanks so much for the $$!
Had to go with the debut. It was so groundbreaking for the era and it holds so much nostalgia for me. Take care!
Congrats on 100 episodes! 🤘🍻
Thanks a bunch and Thanks for watching!
Your man Marty really comes across as a big fat baby