I love these "shorts", Stephen. I often start my Sunday School class in London Wembley ward with them, and the class loves them. It gets class started on a great upnote.
People get confused because the messengers are trying to cover all the bases: Faith, Repentance, Grace, and they keep changing the explanations. No wonder many young people are confused.
Here is the rest of the quote from President Nelson for more context: “Too many people consider repentance as punishment-something to be avoided except in the most serious circumstances. But this feeling of being penalized is engendered by Satan. He tries to block us from looking to Jesus Christ, who stands with open arms, hoping and willing to heal, forgive, cleanse, strengthen, purify, and sanctify us. The word for repentance in the Greek New Testament is metanoeo. The prefix meta- means “change.” The suffix -noeo is related to Greek words that mean “mind,” “knowledge,” “spirit,” and “breath.” Thus, when Jesus asks you and me to “repent,” He is inviting us to change our mind, our knowledge, our spirit-even the way we breathe. He is asking us to change the way we love, think, serve, spend our time, treat our wives, teach our children, and even care for our bodies. Nothing is more liberating, more ennobling, or more crucial to our individual progression than is a regular, daily focus on repentance. Repentance is not an event; it is a process. It is the key to happiness and peace of mind. When coupled with faith, repentance opens our access to the power of the Atonement of Jesus Christ. Whether you are diligently moving along the covenant path, have slipped or stepped from the covenant path, or can’t even see the path from where you are now, I plead with you to repent. Experience the strengthening power of daily repentance-of doing and being a little better each day. When we choose to repent, we choose to change! We allow the Savior to transform us into the best version of ourselves. We choose to grow spiritually and receive joy-the joy of redemption in Him. When we choose to repent, we choose to become more like Jesus Christ.”
You don't have to be perfect to EXPERIENCE CHRIST. Repentance is born of faith and through faith we can EXPERIENCE THE POWER OF GOD in our lives. We can change and ENJOY the process of sanctification.
@@ILikeFreedomYo it’s not a testament of anything. If you’d been lied to for four decades you’d probably take a while to recover from the trauma. The biggest repentance misconception is that you need to repent. Try life without the church for a month and you’ll realize it’s all bs. Life goes on and it’s fantastic.
@@ILikeFreedomYo my experience is the exact opposite. Had my time in with no connection to the “spirit” and never getting answers to the questions you are supposed to. Now out and all the “blessings” that would have been attributed to prayer etc. keep happening and I’m finally happy and free.
@@ILikeFreedomYo I’m not sure what shame you are referring to. I don’t feel any shame about my life at the moment. A few things to remember though: As a former member I’m still interested in the cognitive dissonance displayed by so many who are in the church. Once you are out, it’s so obvious it’s all bs. Even if I’m wrong and the LDS faith is the “one true church”, I want nothing to do with it. Send me to outer darkness. If god is running a religion that is misogynistic, racist, patriarchal, sexist and unapologetic for past and current lies and law-breaking, I have no interest in it. I don’t believe in god anymore.
@@ILikeFreedomYo god has however said it is his one true church led by him and that his prophets cannot lead the church astray. Right…and yet the people I mix with every day who have no religion in their lives live by better morals and treat people better than the church. The church should be leading the way on issues but it’s always decades behind when a “revelation” comes and it catches up. It’s just another religion run by 90 year old men who are guessing just like all of us. If it’s run by an all knowing god, he’s asleep at the wheel. Thankfully I’m out and I can just sit by and watch the church shrink into oblivion. The “stone rolling forth” is a joke. The membership is shrinking as people realize they have been lied to from the start.
IMO, a reason for the epidemic of needing love is how language is used in the church regarding repentance, sin, justice, judgment, being worthy, etc. For me, asking God for forgiveness begs the question as to why God is offended in the first place. It has been a powerful question for myself. Do my sins make God less dignified? Is he offended by my offenses. Could an ounce of my rage decrease God’s glory; power, or goodness. To suggest that God is offended by any spectrum of sin, in the context of the eternal, sounds petty. Like a father getting angry at a baby. To be offended and desire retribution to his children to satisfy what? Justice? Whatever that means. To threaten Hell (or anything less than the top tiered Celestial glory) because of all the ways our agency has been compromised by mortality’s grayness? The recent general conference talk by Pres. Nelson (Thinking Celestial) used language of God being offended. I do not argue that the language may help some. However I argue that for some like myself, it does not speak of peace or a God of an eternal perspective. Instead it evokes the wrath and sovereignty that many Protestants and Calvinists preach, which have been stated by modern theologians to be a form of child abuse. To use fear and God’s disappointment/offense/retribution as the impetus for righteousness. Means justifying ends. I believe that until the church can flood its language with love from a God found in powerful parts of restoration scripture and teachings, you’ll find more people leave the church, not because of some innate wickedness, but because God’s love will be found elsewhere, leaving the seeker feeling betrayed by a faith tradition that struggles to effectively share the Good News. Not just good news to those who believe they deserve it. Heaven knows there are plenty of righteous who are burdened with the gospel of depressing news to suggest that God may actually be disappointed in their mistakes and offenses.
New marketing method here. Don't forget the part of necessary transformation in order to qualify for the elite heaven. You simply aren't good enough as you are to qualify for the celestial class.
Faith in Christ is what is needed. You don't need faith in Joseph Smith any more than Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah, etc... Joseph is a prophet. Not the Messiah. This message from the video is from LDS church leaders: but to the world.
@@billybobjoeyo was part of it for years. I most certainly speak with evidence of first hand experience. You gone through church court? Or just your bishop slapping your wrist and saying don’t take the bread and water for a month ;)
@Knetknight19 edit: I also speak from first-hand experience. I'm sorry you had bad experiences. What those people did, from what you're saying and what I know, doesn't follow what our church believes and what the majority of us do. Repentance is a gift, and to quote somewhat scripture: the sins, though red as blood, will become as white as wool. And we believe God will forgive anyone who asks. Keep in mind that you'll still receive consequences for your actions.
@@billybobjoeyo I advise you to look into the church standards of church court and the processes that are involved. They are not just issues with the people or a bad experience. It’s built into the system, and it’s all about tithing. They can forbid you to pray at church, but heaven forbid if you skip tithing.
@Knetknight19 I don't know what you did. I do know that consequences come with actions, and usually, they match. I don't know about your case, but I’m guessing what you did wasn't good. But we do believe in repentance. It is important, taught many times a year. 4th article of faith, and listed in many scriptures and talks. Tithing is optional, highly recommended but optional, and it provides blessings. The church uses it for humanitarian aid, charity, bishop storehouses, service, buildings, and what goes inside them.
Lord, please help our LDS family members and friends understand that Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life (John 14:6), not a religion, a denomination or a system of do's and don'ts. Amen.
Lord, please let our Born Again family members stop bereing false witness against LDS people by claiming they are not Christians. They also commit to actively and intentionally serve and obey you when they accept Christ into their heart. Being that kind of desciple is what both groups try to do.
@@billybobjoeyo I'm not making assumptions. I've spent a lot of time studying LDS teachings and history. It's a man-made religion led by false prophets. Jesus warned people about this (Matthew 7:15).
Religion is actually encouraged and is a good thing. Most religions, like the LDS religion, encourages people to become better and happier. To love and live.
Our church name is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Day Saints" what part of that means we don't have Jesus? Only through Christ can one be saved.
@@bradenfieber8823 I can put a Ferrari sticker on a Pinto and call it a Ferrari?? I would suggest comparing the biblical Jesus to the Mormon Jesus. And if you still want the Mormon Jesus that’s fine but Jesus is not the Jesus of the Bible
@joenelson5819 so your saying: all the feelings of Joy, hope, happiness, comfort, love, and peace the Book of Mormon (and by implication: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints) has brought to both me and the millions of members around the world, is all from the devil? The devil created a church that is named after Jesus. Who's members devote their lives to serving others and loving in the name of Christ. Who have temples, so any member can go and feel the spirit stronger and more powerfully than any other place. Who's 19-21 year olds devote 2 years of their life to do nothing but serve those around them and declare the good news, and receive nothing in return. All that is dictated by the devil?
You dont seem to know what you're talking about- and -you don't actually know what the LDS church is apparently. We read and believe in the Bible, to be the word of God, as far as it is translated correctly.
I wish the church would just get out of the way and allow the pure doctrine of the book of Mormon to be the guiding principle. It is a born-again book of scripture which is a witness that there is a real life. Baptism of fire that comes through Jesus and changes everything. Everything. The biggest misconception in the entire church is a failure to understand how much Satan loves religion. All religion.
@@billybobjoeyo no it’s not. All all about the covenant church path which is a rebranded works based gospel dependent on the church outward ordinances. If it was about relationship and transformation with the divine, they would teach about what the baptism of the Holy Ghost is and how to get it through complete submission to Christ alone, as the Book of Mormon plainly teaches.
@@RunningtoHim828 I'm in the church. I know what I'm talking about. We do talk and teach about baptism and Jesus. Its the 4th article of faith: we believe in the first principles and ordinances of the gospel are 1st, faith in the lord jesus christ, 2nd, repentance, 3rd, baptism by emergence for the remission of sin, 4th, laying on the hands for the gift of the holy ghost.
@@billybobjoeyo I’m also in the church, but unfortunately most can’t see what I’m saying while they are in it. We talk about ordinances and talk ABOUT Jesus. Unfortunately very very few actually know Jesus because they haven’t actually received the baptism of the Holy Ghost. The vast majority assume they received “the gift” at eight years old or the “endowment from on high” when they went to the temple. They are wrong on both counts. Those are outward ordinances that point to the real Acts 2 / 2 Nephi 31-32 / Mosiah 4-5 baptism of Jesus Christ by fire and the Holy Ghost. The “covenant path” is a rebranded form of works based salvation that relies on our hamster wheel efforts. We are taught a different gospel than the one found in the Book of Mormon, our founding document. I hope you give place for my words. I invite you to read Matthew 23 and Jeremiah 23 and prayerfully consider the possibility that we are no more immune to apostasy than any other people ever has been.
And return towards Jesus Christ; turning our hearts to Christ every day! ❤
It's about transformation not punishment ❤❤❤❤
I love these "shorts", Stephen. I often start my Sunday School class in London Wembley ward with them, and the class loves them. It gets class started on a great upnote.
People get confused because the messengers are trying to cover all the bases: Faith, Repentance, Grace, and they keep changing the explanations. No wonder many young people are confused.
When they changed the YW theme to include cherish the gift of repentance, something in my heart deep down healed that day.
Here is the rest of the quote from President Nelson for more context:
“Too many people consider repentance as punishment-something to be avoided except in the most serious circumstances. But this feeling of being penalized is engendered by Satan. He tries to block us from looking to Jesus Christ, who stands with open arms, hoping and willing to heal, forgive, cleanse, strengthen, purify, and sanctify us.
The word for repentance in the Greek New Testament is metanoeo. The prefix meta- means “change.” The suffix -noeo is related to Greek words that mean “mind,” “knowledge,” “spirit,” and “breath.”
Thus, when Jesus asks you and me to “repent,” He is inviting us to change our mind, our knowledge, our spirit-even the way we breathe. He is asking us to change the way we love, think, serve, spend our time, treat our wives, teach our children, and even care for our bodies.
Nothing is more liberating, more ennobling, or more crucial to our individual progression than is a regular, daily focus on repentance. Repentance is not an event; it is a process. It is the key to happiness and peace of mind. When coupled with faith, repentance opens our access to the power of the Atonement of Jesus Christ.
Whether you are diligently moving along the covenant path, have slipped or stepped from the covenant path, or can’t even see the path from where you are now, I plead with you to repent. Experience the strengthening power of daily repentance-of doing and being a little better each day.
When we choose to repent, we choose to change! We allow the Savior to transform us into the best version of ourselves. We choose to grow spiritually and receive joy-the joy of redemption in Him. When we choose to repent, we choose to become more like Jesus Christ.”
What talk is this by President Nelson ?
Repentance IS an event. Sanctification is a PROCESS.
Love this? Thank you for sharing
Amen
Brad Wilcox and President Nelson are wonderful! ❤
❤❤
Repent relentlessly!
Truth
You don't have to be perfect to EXPERIENCE CHRIST. Repentance is born of faith and through faith we can EXPERIENCE THE POWER OF GOD in our lives. We can change and ENJOY the process of sanctification.
Repentance is a gift of love that God gives us and encourages us to use so we can be liberated from heavy weights.
AMEN!!🙏🏽
Self loathing isnt part of a healthy repentance. Sometimes youth are made to feel that way.
These men are in for a shock in this time of the Great Awakening of humanity
Hmm
What shock would that be ?
Repentance between you and God not your bishop or anyone in the church. Punishment in the church is of devil to keep you from God's love.
Beautiful
Thank you, I needed that today
I love this!
Absolutley
So powerful❤❤❤
So stupid
@@ILikeFreedomYo it’s not a testament of anything. If you’d been lied to for four decades you’d probably take a while to recover from the trauma. The biggest repentance misconception is that you need to repent. Try life without the church for a month and you’ll realize it’s all bs. Life goes on and it’s fantastic.
@@ILikeFreedomYo my experience is the exact opposite. Had my time in with no connection to the “spirit” and never getting answers to the questions you are supposed to. Now out and all the “blessings” that would have been attributed to prayer etc. keep happening and I’m finally happy and free.
@@ILikeFreedomYo I’m not sure what shame you are referring to. I don’t feel any shame about my life at the moment. A few things to remember though: As a former member I’m still interested in the cognitive dissonance displayed by so many who are in the church. Once you are out, it’s so obvious it’s all bs. Even if I’m wrong and the LDS faith is the “one true church”, I want nothing to do with it. Send me to outer darkness. If god is running a religion that is misogynistic, racist, patriarchal, sexist and unapologetic for past and current lies and law-breaking, I have no interest in it. I don’t believe in god anymore.
@@ILikeFreedomYo god has however said it is his one true church led by him and that his prophets cannot lead the church astray. Right…and yet the people I mix with every day who have no religion in their lives live by better morals and treat people better than the church. The church should be leading the way on issues but it’s always decades behind when a “revelation” comes and it catches up.
It’s just another religion run by 90 year old men who are guessing just like all of us. If it’s run by an all knowing god, he’s asleep at the wheel.
Thankfully I’m out and I can just sit by and watch the church shrink into oblivion. The “stone rolling forth” is a joke. The membership is shrinking as people realize they have been lied to from the start.
So meditation
IMO, a reason for the epidemic of needing love is how language is used in the church regarding repentance, sin, justice, judgment, being worthy, etc.
For me, asking God for forgiveness begs the question as to why God is offended in the first place. It has been a powerful question for myself. Do my sins make God less dignified? Is he offended by my offenses. Could an ounce of my rage decrease God’s glory; power, or goodness. To suggest that God is offended by any spectrum of sin, in the context of the eternal, sounds petty. Like a father getting angry at a baby. To be offended and desire retribution to his children to satisfy what? Justice? Whatever that means. To threaten Hell (or anything less than the top tiered Celestial glory) because of all the ways our agency has been compromised by mortality’s grayness?
The recent general conference talk by Pres. Nelson (Thinking Celestial) used language of God being offended. I do not argue that the language may help some. However I argue that for some like myself, it does not speak of peace or a God of an eternal perspective. Instead it evokes the wrath and sovereignty that many Protestants and Calvinists preach, which have been stated by modern theologians to be a form of child abuse. To use fear and God’s disappointment/offense/retribution as the impetus for righteousness. Means justifying ends.
I believe that until the church can flood its language with love from a God found in powerful parts of restoration scripture and teachings, you’ll find more people leave the church, not because of some innate wickedness, but because God’s love will be found elsewhere, leaving the seeker feeling betrayed by a faith tradition that struggles to effectively share the Good News. Not just good news to those who believe they deserve it.
Heaven knows there are plenty of righteous who are burdened with the gospel of depressing news to suggest that God may actually be disappointed in their mistakes and offenses.
New marketing method here. Don't forget the part of necessary transformation in order to qualify for the elite heaven. You simply aren't good enough as you are to qualify for the celestial class.
Of course we're not good enough That's why we need Christ's help
can Ido this without faith in Joseph Smith ?
Faith in Christ is what is needed. You don't need faith in Joseph Smith any more than Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah, etc... Joseph is a prophet. Not the Messiah.
This message from the video is from LDS church leaders: but to the world.
Except when it comes down to it repentance is the last thing the lds church cares about. As long as you pay that tithing
Don't make assumptions. You absolutely dont know what you're talking about AND you don't actually know what the LDS church is.
@@billybobjoeyo was part of it for years. I most certainly speak with evidence of first hand experience. You gone through church court? Or just your bishop slapping your wrist and saying don’t take the bread and water for a month ;)
@Knetknight19 edit: I also speak from first-hand experience.
I'm sorry you had bad experiences. What those people did, from what you're saying and what I know, doesn't follow what our church believes and what the majority of us do.
Repentance is a gift, and to quote somewhat scripture: the sins, though red as blood, will become as white as wool. And we believe God will forgive anyone who asks. Keep in mind that you'll still receive consequences for your actions.
@@billybobjoeyo I advise you to look into the church standards of church court and the processes that are involved. They are not just issues with the people or a bad experience. It’s built into the system, and it’s all about tithing. They can forbid you to pray at church, but heaven forbid if you skip tithing.
@Knetknight19 I don't know what you did. I do know that consequences come with actions, and usually, they match. I don't know about your case, but I’m guessing what you did wasn't good.
But we do believe in repentance. It is important, taught many times a year. 4th article of faith, and listed in many scriptures and talks.
Tithing is optional, highly recommended but optional, and it provides blessings. The church uses it for humanitarian aid, charity, bishop storehouses, service, buildings, and what goes inside them.
So make confessions great again?
Lord, please help our LDS family members and friends understand that Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life (John 14:6), not a religion, a denomination or a system of do's and don'ts. Amen.
Lord, please let our Born Again family members stop bereing false witness against LDS people by claiming they are not Christians. They also commit to actively and intentionally serve and obey you when they accept Christ into their heart. Being that kind of desciple is what both groups try to do.
So u mean we don't have to obey the 10 commandments?
We are grateful for your prayers my friend.
Don't make assumptions. You absolutely dont know what you're talking about because you don't know what the LDS church is.
@@billybobjoeyo I'm not making assumptions. I've spent a lot of time studying LDS teachings and history. It's a man-made religion led by false prophets. Jesus warned people about this (Matthew 7:15).
Good thing religion is on the decline.
Then why are you still interested? One foot in or out?
@@jaasynergy8 It’s like watching those pimple popper videos. It’s gross, but satisfying to see it removed. 😂
Religion is actually encouraged and is a good thing. Most religions, like the LDS religion, encourages people to become better and happier. To love and live.
Mormons need Jesus ……..read John 3
Everyone needs Jesus my friend
Our church name is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Day Saints" what part of that means we don't have Jesus? Only through Christ can one be saved.
@@bradenfieber8823 I can put a Ferrari sticker on a Pinto and call it a Ferrari?? I would suggest comparing the biblical Jesus to the Mormon Jesus. And if you still want the Mormon Jesus that’s fine but Jesus is not the Jesus of the Bible
@joenelson5819 so your saying: all the feelings of Joy, hope, happiness, comfort, love, and peace the Book of Mormon (and by implication: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints) has brought to both me and the millions of members around the world, is all from the devil? The devil created a church that is named after Jesus. Who's members devote their lives to serving others and loving in the name of Christ. Who have temples, so any member can go and feel the spirit stronger and more powerfully than any other place. Who's 19-21 year olds devote 2 years of their life to do nothing but serve those around them and declare the good news, and receive nothing in return.
All that is dictated by the devil?
You dont seem to know what you're talking about- and -you don't actually know what the LDS church is apparently.
We read and believe in the Bible, to be the word of God, as far as it is translated correctly.
I wish the church would just get out of the way and allow the pure doctrine of the book of Mormon to be the guiding principle. It is a born-again book of scripture which is a witness that there is a real life. Baptism of fire that comes through Jesus and changes everything. Everything. The biggest misconception in the entire church is a failure to understand how much Satan loves religion. All religion.
The LDS church is becoming more and more about family and personal relationships with God.
@@billybobjoeyo no it’s not. All all about the covenant church path which is a rebranded works based gospel dependent on the church outward ordinances.
If it was about relationship and transformation with the divine, they would teach about what the baptism of the Holy Ghost is and how to get it through complete submission to Christ alone, as the Book of Mormon plainly teaches.
@@RunningtoHim828 I'm in the church. I know what I'm talking about. We do talk and teach about baptism and Jesus. Its the 4th article of faith: we believe in the first principles and ordinances of the gospel are 1st, faith in the lord jesus christ, 2nd, repentance, 3rd, baptism by emergence for the remission of sin, 4th, laying on the hands for the gift of the holy ghost.
@@billybobjoeyo I’m also in the church, but unfortunately most can’t see what I’m saying while they are in it. We talk about ordinances and talk ABOUT Jesus. Unfortunately very very few actually know Jesus because they haven’t actually received the baptism of the Holy Ghost. The vast majority assume they received “the gift” at eight years old or the “endowment from on high” when they went to the temple.
They are wrong on both counts. Those are outward ordinances that point to the real Acts 2 / 2 Nephi 31-32 / Mosiah 4-5 baptism of Jesus Christ by fire and the Holy Ghost.
The “covenant path” is a rebranded form of works based salvation that relies on our hamster wheel efforts. We are taught a different gospel than the one found in the Book of Mormon, our founding document.
I hope you give place for my words. I invite you to read Matthew 23 and Jeremiah 23 and prayerfully consider the possibility that we are no more immune to apostasy than any other people ever has been.