A Carnivore Reaction to Dr Bart Kay on How to Start A Carnivore Diet
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At around 800 lbs I had one foot in the grave. I jumped into strict carnivore 2 years 2 months ago and down 500 lbs. I failed keto because there were too many options for me. Carnivore gave me that food freedom, the “off switch” I never had. I was in such a bad place pre carnivore so started seeing benefits immediately. That’s my experience anyway :)
Wow 🎉 that's amazing 👏
I've been watching your progress for a while. Fantastic results 👏 👏👏
Awesome job! So happy for you! 😊
You’re amazing Lindy. You must feel amazing now. 👏
500lbs down!!! AMAZING EFFORT! You are an inspiration!
When I went Carnivore, I went Carnivore and 40lbs later and metabolically healthy....I have never looked back.
Well over 4 yrs carnivore, over a year lion. I jumped in both feet. I am thriving
Me too. Overnight no alcohol, no carbs…7 months ago.
@@AnneMB955 congratulations on getting your health back.
Jumping in head first in September 19th 2018!
BEST. DECISION. EVER!!!
@@lunaflamed congratulations
Similar here! 2 years carnivore, and just got my foot through the strict carnivore door a month ago and loving it! Are eggs allowed on the lion diet? If it's not, that's the only thing between me and the lion diet right now. Just meat, eggs, sea salt, and water. And if it is, then I'm lion now. However, I found that I must drink homemade electrolyte water to accomplish this. The surprising discovery I made a month ago and how I finally arrived to strict.
I stopped sugar first , 3 years later started Keto and transitioned to carnivore around 8-9 months after that and I had 0 problems … so I guess , my transition was spot on for me . Carnivore since 3+ years now and never ever felt better in my life . All the best folks.
I agree with Bart, the slower the transition the easier to adjust. I had to go keto first then ketovore than carnivore.
I disagree, if I had waited 6 weeks to go full carnivore, I would be diabetic today. I went full carnivore Feb 1, 2023. Best thing I ever did. At the same time, I had given up gluten and sodas a long time ago.
I appreciate your videos so much. Been carnivore for 3 months, yesterday my rheumatologist took me off of my RA meds!!! I jumped in with both feet, no turning back….. thank you for making your videos, I will continue watching 😊
I dove right in to carnivore 6 mos ago from straight up, whole-food plant based vegan.... no soda or major sugar addictions, etc... hit the electrolytes hard the first week and despite one day of loose stools I made it through without any other issues. I don't have major health problems and I don’t have much weight to lose. Different for everyone, I suppose . However you need to get started, just do that; ease in or dive. You know yourself better than anyone. But don't talk yourself out of trying!
Hi Dante, ya.. idk if I agree with this guy. But what do I know! Anyway, I commented on your documentary over a month ago, and said I was going to start the diet on March 1st. Well, I didn't...I didn't want to wait. I started on 2/14/24 Valentines day, now tomorrow is day 30 for me. I jumped right into it! I have so many things to say about it.... in 2 days I could already feel changes as far as aches and pains are concerned. when I commented, I said I was 215lbs. Then I actually weighed myself and was 201.6 lbs. to start with. Anyway, this has been amazing for me...I am 54 years old and feel so much better in 30 days...knee pain is going away, multiple body aches going away....I feel like a new man already! Thank you sir for the motivation!
Yeah, congrats my friend. I started the same day you did and I am doing so freaking. Well, it's not even funny. Does that mean I didn't have cravings? Absolutely. Not. I nod off both of my arms to the elbow. And attempted jumping out my second story window on about 6 different occasions. However, on day 11 I was cruising. Good luck to you and good luck to all the rest of us.
Your experience is almost 100%. Exactly the same as mine, but I'm 67 and an X body builder. And I need to get back into the gym. I have been a little bit but I'll tell you what I feel more strong and more powerful In the last 28 days or whatever it's been then I have felt in 10 years.
You know what is crazy to me? That Dante doesn't have 500k subscribers by now?? Heys inspired so many other UA-cam creators, let's support the channel so Dante can get monetized and take a break from work and do this full time, if thats a desire?!! ❤
Very kind words. Thank you for the encouragement.
Yeah. I’m surprised he doesn’t have more subscribers. He’s 100% real. I can’t say that for many other carnivore influencers.
Bart is using fating for a day on and off to reset your body. Like rebooting a computer. Makes sense to me. I do a 36 hour fast every weekend And 72 hour fast every 3 months because I have MS. Slowly getting better every week. Studying neoroplasticity with movements to add to my recovery. Also am on Lion diet.
Hi Dante, I understand what you are saying but I think the solution that Prof Kay was discussing was when someone jumps in and has a horrible 6 or 9 or 12 months reaction and he was explaining a couple things to try. Some people response one way to something and others a different way. I think his info is spot on most of the time. I enjoy the reaction vides sir.
Lost 16 kilograms and started carnivore diet on the first of January 2024. I feel better now than I did in the last 10 years, and that's after only 3 months.
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I was keto, then went ketovore and then carnivore, Dr. Eric Berg suggested this for me because of my health issues. Been carnivore for over two years now ❤
I am just starting to try to eat carnivore. My husband isn’t interested so it’s been difficult to get it going. Your story is so inspiring and I really love your logic on this subject. I’m going to be 55 in may and I have smoked cigarettes most of my life. I’m a bit overweight with a back injury that I’ve been trying to keep from making life impossible. I also have psoriasis that has been causing issues so I know I have to get to the point of being carnivore totally. I know this is the answer so I’ve been working on eating “better” but I just got to go all in. Thank you for documenting your journey!
Great video, thanks. I understand that people need to ween themselves off carbs. I cut out alcohol first for a month (I used to drink a bottle of red wine a night). Next I went keto...just meat with some veg. I was doing that for three months. Then I came across carnivore - and that was the key. Been carni now for over nine months and won't go back.
When I originally discovered Bart Kay he rubbed me the wrong way, but once I learned he puts on a bit of a schtick, and plays some characters for effect, he absolutely grew on me. Now he is definitely in my top 3 follows because his information is absolutely rock solid, impeccable and backed by mountains of research and citations. BTW Dante, that is an AWESOME shirt, where can I get one? Thanks for all you do, keep the great vids coming my friend, God bless.
Definitely one of the best creators to watch if you want to learn the real science behind carnivore and how to interpret it. Plus he’s actually qualified to do so. However he may come off as abrasive to some due to his style of content creation.
I like a lot of his stuff, but he's shilling the scammy MLM 'stem cells' extra hard these days.
@@sharfalor4244 agreed, I could do with less Cerule pitching, but in light of the incredible education he has provided me on physiology and biology for free, I can’t begrudge a guy from trying to make a buck, I am a free market capitalist for sure. But definitely the sales pitch angle can take away from credibility to some extent for some people. That’s why Paul Mason is my #1 favorite follow, he has never tried to sell me anything!
@sharfalor4244 that was a red flag for me as well, but in theory if the product actually works, the mlm model doesnt really matter. Just ordered some of their products to try for myself, so I can form an opinion.
@@brockashsfrund I hope you find them helpful but there's no credible research I can find that verifies stem cell products work in tablet form.
Hi Dante I had been keto for awhile then 2024 went carnivore with a diet of mostly beef some fish some pork some lamb some cheese and eggs the only spices / condiments salt pepper and yellow mustard. No carbs no sugar save for the occasional sparkling lemon water 1-3 times a week. I want to do at least 6 months and so far so good no cheating…….I want to get to lion diet, I could not have gone full cold turkey like you did….. your convictions were very strong. I will say this lifestyle change is sustainable for me and I feel great. Great video today.
I have read whilst researching the gut micobiome that some of those gut bacteria can burrow into the mucosal layer and they can go dormant for a long time. So I truly think there is a lot we really don’t know. I am my own Guinea pig and I’m listening to others. I also think some people are over complicating things.😊
A lot of what people are not recognizing in all of these videos no matter who is hosting them are parasites Parasites are in everyone.Whether you want to believe that or not you need to know we all have paris Parasites are in everyone. Whether you want to believe that or not, you need to know We all have parasites and they need to be detoxed. Ivermectin and fenbendazol are the 2 best deworming medications we can get. So if people are having difficulties and doing carnivore correctly, you might want to Check-in to your parasite issue.
Dr Bart Kay is a physiology expert and nutritional scientist so he knows what he's talking about right down to the cellular level, he is a wealth of knowledge, you need to watch more before you judge this man because he is very straight to the facts, you also need to understand that there are a multitude of reasons to why somebody "craches" depending on what underlying conditions they may have, so without knowing those the best thing to do is to give generalized answers to generalized questions because jumping to a solution without knowing the facts about a specific persons conditions can be directly or indirectly harmful to someone else with different conditions. There are a lot of carnivore UA-cam channels recommending their own anecdotal solutions and while it's a good thing that they want to help people to get healthy again it's also a huge problem because people don't generally do their do diligence and jump straight in and try the first thing they hear and then later give up because of it and think it doesn't work when in fact it can if they get the right information for their specific needs, this is especially important for those with more severe medical conditions which is something way too many channels don't think about when they hand out anecdotal solutions like candy without knowing the facts of their audience, most don't even mention what kind of audience they are targeting and that's really bad when talking about health, it's one thing wanting to avoid medical problems or heal minor ones but it's a whole different ballgame trying to cure or heal a medical illness, that's why all this is important to know and think about when doing content about health, and too many don't,
Thanks again Dante. I appreciate all your videos. I agree that the lady speaking to Bart Kay was a bit extreme in saying the Carnivore diet can be dangerous. I was in terrible health when I started Carnivore coming from a vegan/fruitarian diet for many years. I was eating all organic foods, mostly raw and I was always bloated and had pain all over my body all the time. The only problem I found was loose stools from eating beef and I still have that problem but so much has improved in my health I am a new person and will never go back to eating the foods I formerly thought of as "health foods".
You might be consuming too much fat. Try cutting that back.
@@Westcoastrocksduh Thank you for your suggestion, over the five and a half years I have been 95% Carnivore, I have tried every combination of amounts of fat intake. I have not found more fat or less fat, or no fat makes any difference. If I remember to take enzymes it sometimes helps a bit. I think I will only fix this with an extended water fast. I did 16 days but need longer I guess.
She didn't say the carnivore diet is dangerous. She said going in cold turkey COULD be dangerous depending on where you're coming from. Big difference.
@@Szilvia_Szilvia As I said... she was a bit extreme...
@@Dakiniwoman ok, depends how you see it. I tend to agree: possible death IS a bit extreme. I am unfortunate to have seen kidney failure close up in another human being. So, I'm kind of OK with a bit extreme...
Love this deep gleaning way of discussion. I love Bart Kay's straight forward personality. He makes me go down the rabbit hole of issues. I also love the way you ebb and flow through information. For me one of the hardest things has to do with the unlearning of stuff.
Thanks for this video-very very helpful. Day 52 on carnivore and I’ve been having major stomach/digestive issues. I was one of those smoothie and oxalate eaters, and almost no fats. I took about 2 1/2 wks to transition but I don’t think it was enough, even though I had cut out most carbs even before that. Intuitively I’ve realized I need to add back in a tiny bit of fruit and maybe lettuce just to trick my system until it settles down. Not happy about that but 10 yrs as mostly vegan will mess the body up. It’ll take time to get back to normal. Love carnivore lifestyle and appreciate your channel. Thanks 🙏🏼
I had the same issue Bart outlined early in the video. My gut was quite bad before going to keto, and that caused me 7-8 months of a bout with hemorrhoids, the first 4-6 months of which was really painful. You get over it because otherwise I felt excellent. I didn't feel like I changed overnight, because I still ate plants at the time, but it was a real issue
Some people just like to make things complicated
The whole point is that while carnivore is the best diet, you cant run away from what you did for decades with no consequences. Transitioning is the best way. I know though that some people cannot. The worst the diet the more important is the transition.
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I love Professor Bart Kay ❤
A few points of context to help you understand exactly what Bart is talking about here. This clip seems to be missing a very clear statement that would help you understand what Bart means here.
#1 He's talking about gut/microbiome issues that can show up after suddenly changing your diet over night. These issues don't happen right away, sometimes they can take months before they show up. The issue is the microbiome eats our food and the type of bacteria in our microbiome can get sick, angry, and cause ALL kinds of issues with our bodies if our microbiome goes to war. This includes low energy, bowl issues, pain all over the body. The gut is FULL of nerves, neurons, and basically your entire body can have issues if your gut goes bad.
How does it go bad? Simple, the bacteria start fighting for resources (the new diet), which can include them fighting each other, eating your gut walls, under digesting food, over digesting food, excreting toxins, all manner terrible things happen depending on the kind of microbes we are talking about.
This can be avoided, if you don't change your diet overnight. You give your microbiome time to adjust to the new diet and for the bacteria that was living off plants, fiber, sugar, etc.... to slowly down regulate, die, or go to sleep. Changing your diet overnight can be really bad.
This is true for ANY diet change, and what he is saying is ANY major change in diet should never happen overnight. Some people can get away with it, but for those that cannot, the negative effects can be a disaster. Some people just have runny stools for a week and then it's over... others 6 months in start to have major issues, all of which can be avoided with a transition.
It's much safer to take 6 weeks to allow your microbiome to adjust to the food changes so that you don't end up with bacteria fighting or digging into your gut walls.
Taking this seriously is important because MOST people who cite that carnivore didn't work for them, changed overnight! We can avoid people thinking "carnivore doesn't work because it made me feel worse" by simply giving them this advice to change slowly. I get that people want to just rib the Band-Aid off and start tomorrow... but that's exactly what people shouldn't do and we should help people do this right if they want consistent good results from a diet change.
#2 Oxalates can take YEARS to leave your system. So I just want to clarify that he's NOT talking about oxalates here, and in fact 6 weeks would not be enough for any person to detox from Oxalates, this is a completely different issue from what Bart is talking about.
I agree 100% Not everyone consumes the amount of toxic foods that cause problems like this, before starting carnivore. If they are eating relatively cleanly, no sugar and lower carb, they may not have issues. But if you go from a toxic level SAD diet straight into carnivore, you may have some serious issues. Our starting points are so very different. I like hearing all opinions so that I can take what applies to my situation. Much love and support to everyone is needed.
I'm on keto - carnivore now for almost one year and will never change, but for slowly reaching the goal to get 100% on lion diet
On keto - carnivore i am because i really suffer from oxalate issues, but it's getting better and better
I also reintroduced milk products for that reason, because the amount of calcium they contain is binding the oxalates and so this complex can safely leave my body
What really helps me a lot since the transition is to drink almost 2 l a day a water which contains naturally solved magnesium (102mg/l) to have the perfect stool. Adding magnesium as a salt didn't help me drinking enough, but for that magnesium rich natural water i feel a kind of "craving"
Another point: being a female in my end fifties, 5 years after cancer treatment milk products help me to gain muscle mass
But the most satisfied I feel after I enjoyed my 3 days lion diet 😊, but for preventing oxalate rushes i still have to interrupt...and it's getting less and less
Thank you for this video 🙏
I really appreciate how everybody asserts that all problems are always down to one thing. It's the timing of the shift, it's not nose to tail, it's cheat meals, it's oxalates, it's electrolytes... I don't check any of these boxes and my health has still been a wreck despite a lion diet for well over a year and a half, and mostly carnivore for plenty before that. There's so much more going on in each one of us, probably unique the damage we've sustained from this wicked environment. Sweeping generalizations are BS and demoralizing when you're forced to trudge through it alone. Of course, naturopath "specialists" and the like are equally demoralizing when they drain your bank account to no avail, assuming you can even attempt to afford it in the first place. Now can any of these bobbleheads take that seriously or what?
Well, fortunately professor Kay is right I've had those experiences after 6 months on carnivore. Now I'm back on carnivore and feel great and I'm losing the weight.
I would recommend having professor Kay on your show and interviewing him.
That way we can all learn and get the science straight.
Have been carnivore for just over 5 weeks and, of all the videos I've watched, none of them even suggested that you shouldn't go all in from the start. And I resent him calling all of us who did, "dumb". Fortunately, I've had no problems. (Although, if I'd had digestive issues to begin with, I'd have eased into it.)
Hi Dante, I had started carnivore a little earlier than you. I had cut dairy and sugar out several years earlier followed by all grains for a year before I started carnivore. Then I went meat and green veggies, very low carb for about six weeks and then went full carnivore after that. My reason was my health not my weight and it’s the best thing I have ever done. I will always have an open mind though and if I was to ever feel something was going wrong with my health then I would make a few changes. So far so good.😊
There's something that you need to know about Redmond.Real salt.Which is the reason why I will always stick to my celtic salt Redmonds does not contain calcium, magnesium or phosphorus. And those are 3 vital vital nutrients that we need to have so with that make your decisions wisely. I use both when I need to ingest a glass of water with salt. I use Celtic salt if I'm cooking with salt. I use redmonds when I make my tooth powder I use redmonds.
I’m learning so much from you and Dr. Berry, and others. Relearning how to cook. And loved seeing the 10 years past you and now. There must be the fountain of youth in Meat. Also I Love Your Tshirt! Gotta be Fit to do Your Bit!
you really look great; clear and healthy, i have seen the videos from the beginning..
Thank you 🙏🏽
I am not a doctor, but my common since people just saying anything for content meter was at 11 when watching them. I am only 2 weeks into to lion diet and feel amazing. I can't imagine 6 to 9 months from not my gut biome is just going to attack me.... just does not make any since.
@@doctormarazanvose4373 I bet if every “Doctor” talked to people trying to learn and better them selves the way you responded to me the world would be a better place with healthier people? I am trying to learn or I wouldn’t even have watched this video. You should be ashamed.
@@doctormarazanvose4373 you would rather talk down to people without providing any information. You are the problem with health care and why people like myself make radical changes without doctor oversight. Good day sir.
@@doctormarazanvose4373 I said good day.
Professor Bart Kay is the only one that can debate anyone on health and nutrition.
Even if your scale doesn’t show your losing. Take your measurements. I’ve found that there’s a difference in my measurements even if the scale has barely changed. Everything you’ve said is what I’ve experienced. The carnivore diet has been the best diet my husband and I have ever done. We feel better when we eat only meat. Mostly beef. I do eat salmon every now and then. We use Redmonds too. Love it.
Professor Kay provides excellent educational & entertaining information through over 450 YT videos (and another 1,5T elsewhere, 'cos he had to take them off of YT) that's a treasure trove of knowledge free of charge. I suggest you binge watch it all, before you have another opinion about what he (or anybody else) has to say...
The scale is the hardest apparatus at the gym!
I am getting started for second time after first attempt was abruptly halted with a loss in family. I had spent a few weeks reducing my carbohydrates a bit at a time, while eating meat based diet 3-4 times a day. I found my first significant step was eating carbs in “intermittent fasting style”…. Only allowed carbs 6 hours between breakfast and lunch… then 18 hours no carbs. It was working really well.
Now I am back at starting line and intended to do the same. Might takes a few months until pure carnivore diet.
I was lucky. After 10 years of studying the carnivore diet but doing Keto on and off, I went carnivore with no fanfare and now, at 438 days, I'm doing just fine. I realize that it could've been dicey for me but it wasn't. I do advise others to slowly go carnivore.
Great video. Thank you. I can tell you from my experience, that I wish I had watched Prof Kay. I was coming to carnivore from years of Keto. However, I mistakenly added 100g - 200g of carbs, after seeing how Paul Salidino reacted to them. This spiraled me to gaining some weight again. I than dugg into the research and started following Dr Chaffe, Dr Baker, and Dr Berry. This pointed me to carnivore. And, I jumped right into it. I only ate meat, salt, and drank water. However, I had horrible bowel movements for 4 months. I don't know how I stuck to it, except I felt amazing and my body composition was amazing. I am probably around 10-12% body fat at 54 years old. I am on carnivore over 6 months and I struggle less in the bathroom, but still have bouts. Yesterday, I braised 2lbs of chuck, and an hour after eating, I had diarrhea. Luckily it was only the one bowl movement and didn't carry over. This also happens when I eat too much fatty brisket. So, obviously, after 6 months, my bile cannot handle a super amount of fat. I am also on electolytes and eat a decent amount of redmonds with my meat. I don't have any problems eating 2lbs of 80/20 ground beef, but the fattier cuts do get me.
I to am having loose movements, however not in the beginning. I was fine, then I tried a steak marinade and that was the thing that messed my digestion...I think I will try the fasting to see if it re-sets my gutt. Been carni since January 22 2024 and lost 27 lbs. Not going back to SAD.
Thanks, Dante, for sharing your experience, great videos, I have subscribed. Dr Bart Kay really does know what he is talking about. If we are not understanding him it's because we simply do not have the same depth of understanding about human biology. I definitely ran into very serious issues at the 4-month period going strict Lion diet doing everything correctly. I know a bit about Human biology with some higher education in this area but I am a moron compared to Dr Bart Kay. We need to keep in mind that Dr Bart Kay is one of the biggest supporters of the carnivore diet and is an absolute treasure trove for a lot of people who are working to better their health and cannot get local support from doctors when encountering problems while transitioning the body to an appropriate human diet.
@ZiataGuitars, hope you are well. I was wondering if you could elaborate on what "very serious issues" you ran into around the 4-month mark. I am new to carnivore and want to make sure I do this correctly. I see people such as yourself alluding to complications, I'm just not seeing anyone with specific examples. Any clarification is greatly appreciated.
Currently battling the adverse effects of transitioning to carnivore overnight. I will not go into great detail as I like my privacy but here goes:
Nine weeks of watery stools and not being able to keep any food in my body for more than a couple hours. The first 5 weeks of this period I was in severe pain which only eased with pain relief (very high inflammatory markers of 1448, normal is 100 or less or around about), then eventually pain stopped as a result of not eating for longer durations. I am now having some minimal success in returning my stools to normal using this fasting method that Dr Kay suggests in this video so hopefully it goes well, still in this process.
Making the decision to move to carnivore or Lion diet is great! however, at a cellular level you still have to condition the body to function on a proper food source. Most people I see are already naturally easing into carnivore eg. Dante mentions this in this video and people like Jordan and Mikhaila Peterson talk about how they eliminated foods over periods of time. My suspicion is that a lot of people are already doing what Dr Bart Key is recommending here unknowingly. This is the best advice to starting carnivore so as to avoid the nightmare I have gone through and still battling with. Put it this way it cannot hurt to ease into it if you can as you definitely do not want to be where I am now. However, I am staying positive and trying the fasting method.
I had little choice when I started because I was reacting very badly to plant based foods, but if I had my time again, I would definitely ease into it to reduce possible issues later. I am very happy that I have managed to remove many serious health problems (15+ health issues) like Crohn’s, 31Kg weight loss, Sleep Apnea, arthritis etc.… Some out there may say, well this is evidence that going carnivore is problematic but it is not the case. I suspect my body is reacting just like a drug addict’s body reacts to drug dependency (I left out my biology knowledge to make this comment shorter). Hopefully, I can resurrect to my initial carnivore glory in the first 4 months, God willing. I wish you well in your journey, God Bless.
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@@ZiataGuitars Thanks for sharing! hope the fasting continues to get you back on track.
@@The_Carnivore_Effect I ended up recovering from the health issues I was having which was related to Crohn's (which is now non-existent). I feel better than I have ever felt now and thought this might be encouraging for you on your journey with carnivore. I hope you're doing well. God Bless.
@ZiataGuitars Your suspicion about us already doing what Bart Kay recommended is on target. Well put! 😎👍🏽🥩💧🧂
You got me on this life changing journey on February 3rd and my wife and I went full carnivore on February 5th we feel great not one side affect. ❤ your story. Oh the video you’re watching is a load of crap. Thanks again.
I'm carnivore. I occasionally eat chicken, pork and seafood.
I jumped in both feet but it’s the only way I can anything - all or nothing. I had bad gut issues anyways and they did get worse due to massive oxalate dumping which lasted most of the first year, but almost two years in and I’m pretty much on the other side. Just tweaking the issues that are left and trying to get the weight off. But feeling amazing! And most health problems are gone!
I see a lot of naysayers in these comments. All I would say is it makes sense to transition from one diet to another slowly. Just because many people don't and don't see any issues is no reason not to be cautious. There is scientific literature on “Dormant gut microbiota” which could support the idea of bacteria remaining after a diet change but not being currently active - then ‘waking up’ 😱
Correct
25:29 what she meant can be really dangerous is if some cases it could happen that the amount of oxolates your body is trying to get rid of at one point of time produces an amount of kidney stones that may result in permanent kidney damage and / or acute kidney failure. That's why the phasing out is also sensible.
27:56 that's great, that's beautiful, we're happy for you & to be honest you look way younger, so good job! 👍
It's also great that you're talking about your personal experience, the community needs different personalities where they can get encouragement from.
Just PLEASE keep it exactly like that. Personal experience is totally fine, but please refrain from "scientific" explanation and/or "advice" to people on "how to" because you're really not there yet...
Correct way: this is what I have done, this is what has happened for me as a result.
Let's leave advice at the carnivore docs in the community.
I LOVE the movie Idiocracy and watched parts of it again just last week. Been watching these videos for so long and still have not managed to take the leap. 😩
A strong cup of black tea will help with oxalates dumping, according to Sally Norton.
Careful with tea. The tannin in tea is a protein blocker.
I started with Keto first for only about two weeks. Got tired of counting macros/carbs, so I switched to carnivore. Much better results which make me happier.
Maybe the happy medium for SOME is to first remove the carbohydrate foods you know cause issues AND the ones that typically cause issues. All the while keeping a few carb foods that you are convinced don’t cause issues until THOSE are completely phased out. IF AND ONLY IF you know that a cold turkey transition will present problems. Giving your personal biome a chance to convert to full carnivorous/lion/ketogenic. Any sweetener no matter how “natural” can present issues and from what I’ve read stevia is often synthetic in many of these large commercial soft drink products.
20 years ago I went on keto and walked about 4 miles a day and lost 65 pounds. 3 years later I did it again in an attempt to lose a further 65 pounds. Still doing keto I added a stevia sweetened drink and at the end of that summer I had gained 9 pounds. The only difference was the stevia drinks. The particular drink I chose had synthetic stevia. NOTHING ELSE was different. It’s anecdotal AND IMPERIAL evidence. Suggesting a valid reason to avoid a lot of these keto friendly foods. Jmho
The cost of beef is killing me😅
So I also jumped right in with both feet and now I'm concerned about what Prof Bart is saying about problems waiting for me 3, 6 or 12 months down the track.
Although I had pretty much totally cut out sugar beforehand, never did pizza, cola, junk food etc. My biggest fail was big dishes of veg and pasta. Here's hoping I am lucky and don't get any ensuing problems.
Dante before you ever started the lion diet 3 years ago we’re ever having chest pains before?
I jumped into carnivore a few years ago, and I’ve been doing good, but I just found out from my blood work that I have Hashimoto’s and some other issues. I found out I have lots of heavy metals. I need to do a program to get rid of those. There can always be underlying infections or issues that people should look into if carnivore isn’t healing everything or if your blood work is off. That’s just been my experience. Sometimes the diets not enough. Even though I do believe this is the greatest diet and diet. We’re supposed to be eating. You can be a carnivore and still have e I feeling issues that need addressing.
I suspect I might have the issues he's talking about. I did watch him but didn't come across this video yet. Thanks for making it more visible! I'm considering giving fasting a try.
I gave up alcohol on December 31, at the end of January I stopped eating all carbs and sugar, the only problem I had was I shat myself twice, my gut is now settled and fine. I’m not Lion, I eat BBBE and chicken and I feel 20 years younger.
Professor Kay on Randle Cycle...
If you have eaten beef I would think you could dive in, I'm 59 and told at age 9 never to eat beef or animal products due to cholesterol level 500. At age 9 i ran 6 miles a day felt angry to be put on Complex Carbs only. I had my first prime rib at 59 and was ok, but I feel like I need to start slowly on meat. ❤
Excellent review Dante. I agree with your observations. Dr Bart Kay is very bright however he lacks time and experience in the carnivore space.
I am an RN and have been carnivore for 3 years and 2 years of Keto before that. I’ve listened to all the people you talk about in the carnivore space regularly over the last 5 years and gleaned a great bounty of knowledge from them all. Bart doesn’t have the breadth of knowledge with the individual applications for different people. He definitely has the pathophysiological processes down and I wouldn’t want to debate him. I highly respect him.
I would agree that for folk coming from a SAD to go keto first and transition to carnivore progressively for the least amount of suffering. That’s where getting into a support group is so helpful. The rest of the world just doesn’t understand.
Thanks for all you do!
God Bless you🙏💜
Great advice.. going from the SAD to keto to carnivore is a great suggestion that worked for me. It helped my transitions between these lifestyles not be quite so difficult. For example, I did experience the keto flu and all the nuances that went along with that. But when I transitioned to carnivore I did not have near the adjustments that I did initially getting into keto. I'm happy doing keto carnivore now with the emphasis on carnivore and have no desire/need to go the lion diet method as all my challenges have been resolved with keto (fats only, i.e., avocado mayo, ghee, butter, MCT oil) carnivore (includes variety animal based proteins/fats).👍
I believe Prof. Kay has been a carnivore for about eight years now...
@@Cleofizoidlol yeah right! He even admits that he eats pizza and drinks beer once in a while, who knows whatelse he eats
@@marjaleena9465 no one is perfect
Dunning Krueger🤦♀️
Dr Bart Kay is my favorite influencer. He’s not talking about beginners he’s talking about people that have trouble 6-9 months later.
Fasting eases your stomach eating does cause inflammation every time but not eating rests your stomach. But to continue living we need nutrition.
You’ve tried fasting 24-72 hours isn’t a problem
And also, the carnivore diet isn't just eating beef. Carnivore animals eat any meat they can get. They'll eat chicken and turkey if you give it to them. And the same thing is true for us. If the most you can afford to eat is chicken that's still carnivore. But I do agree with Bart about going into it gradually bcuz that's how it was for me. In the beginning I tried and failed at strict carnivore several times, and was like 90% carnivore eating apples at times. Not every day, but a few times a month.
Anyone that thinks after “6 to 9 months” in your biome would have anything left from plants knows little or nothing about biome. I’ll bet the REAL culprit is these carnivores have added something back in like vis drinks or extras and it takes time to become toxic and fasting removes everything so it works. Has nothing to do with the biome balance unless that biome is being supported by a diet addition like sugar in a drink.
Electrolytes could be a part of the issue as he points out.
I think Kay is full of it frankly.
I went cold Turkey and it took about a week for a biome adjustment. 10 months and 90 pounds later it’s fine. Don’t wander, no cheat days. Fasting should be a part of it occasionally, I have fasted up to 8 days NOT for weight but autophagy and full system reset.
By all means cut out plants slowly if you eat a lot of plants or are transitioning off of vegan or vegetarian as you will not have cultures in your gut to grow. But max 7-10 days and take pre/pro biopics to add cultures for a couple days. The meat related cultures will grow and plant / sugar feeders will die off. Done.
If you eat meat normally then a couple days to a week tops and only low sugar plants.
6 weeks is pure BS. Your biome shifts far faster than that, and no they do not start eating your gut lining, that’s ridiculous.
Don’t cheat, you can introduce things that can give you leaky gut and inflammation. Your only cheating you.
And if your really hurting, I’d just go for it because the sooner you get away from the poisons the sooner you will get your life back. You got this.
Anyone who thinks they know what all gut biomes do clearly is speaking through their colon.
Before I started I was already a 'healthy' eater. I was pretty restrictive with my carbs, though not quite keto. It had also been years since I ate raw vegetables regularly. I took a three week transition. I meant to go longer but I just felt ready. That was three months ago. No trouble so far 🤞
I love Bart’s style! He’s brash and to the point. He was the only person talking about eating enough meat in one sitting to better manage electrolytes - preventing “leaky” kidneys.
I tried SO hard to do his recommended 6 week transition back to Carnivore after going off the diet and failed every time. If I had the ability to moderate I wouldn’t be overweight!! 😂
you dont want the sweet things anymore becuase your not comsuming carbs
when you comsume carbs you will crave sweet sugar things which is why they put carbs
in all the crap in the first place becuase it keep you come back for more they want use addicted to suger
and untill the carbs are out the diet its a hard one to kick
The induction phase of the Adkins diet was basically the carnivore diet.
In my opinion, sometimes it's as simple as just doing it! This is not directed at you, I've noticed individuals that 2,3, or four months into the diet you've got people that were ridiculously unhealthy, then all of a sudden their on UA-cam talking like their nutritionist.. I think that is a big problem! ...you do a great job at sharing YOUR! experience and not coming across like a know it all. Also the title doctor doesn't mean much!
This is why I encouraged my vegan friend to transition to carnivore. He's over 6 months in and thriving.
I started low carb and now keto, I may move to keto primarily to reverse Hashimoto’s if keto doesn’t. However additionally I am recognizing carnivore may be the final level of discipline I need to eliminate the “cheat/slip”.
He is being vague because his audience already knows his approach. I personally went into carnivore slow and still had the keto flu for months. I did up my electrolytes in the beginning and slowly over time as my body healed the keto flu went away. I’ve struggled at times staying strict carnivore but I always go back and the keto flu is less. As Ken Berry says if you need to keep some veg and fruit to stick to animal based then that’s what you should do if your healthy.
dr Key knows his stuff,
I jumped on straight away and was fine. I suppose everyone is different.
Dante, listen to more of Dr Bart . He’s very good. He’s just a bit off putting for some people but listen to more of his videos
I agree with you, the info presented seems vague. Like you, I thought I had "jumped in" but in reality had been eating quite low carb, mostly whole food for quite awhile before hand.
Omg Brondo, it’s what the plants crave!😂 Love that movie, too accidentally actually for these days.
Following your videos I switched from Keto to carnivore and my appetite naturally dropped to one meal a day. Then I switched for two days to full look but kinda chickened out and switch back to keto. Sure enough my appetite returned someone once I reintroduced even small amounts of carbs (not even sugary/starchy carbs)
I basically switched overnight back in July 2022. I am still having some issues… probably oxalate dumping. I use to eat all the so called super foods… which turns out are mostly all high in oxalates, and lots of green smoothies, nuts and seeds, oatmeal and buckwheat, etc.
I am not and have never done lion. I guess I do about 95% carnivore because i do still drink coffee and eat a few blueberries, a bit of avocado, or a couple veggies occasionally… especially when I feel the oxalate dumping… to mind of slow that down.
I think some people lose the high of doing something new and can get more tired as well. In the beginning there are dopamine hits from doing good and getting results.
Bang on
Hey @ferrignofreedom
I had to call Dr.Littells office and request my blood lab results because she said he only calls me if he has any concerns, which he doesn't! I just want to see all that improvement since being carnivore for over a year 😂 she's mailing them.
For future call the lab and have them mail you a copy of their blood results. If you get nowhere with your Doctor's office bypass those useless pieces of you know what and go directly to the lab and get them from the lab.
@Habanero777 thanks for that! I'll ask lab to do that next time for sure. For the record, my doctor is amazing and supportive of carnivore. I had to request results to see myself since he didn't find any cause to call me. Really just want to compare them to my pre carnivore labs 😂
This isn't a common experience for most individuals. It's been over a year, and my digestion has been excellent, with no problems whatsoever. There was no turmoil in my gut, even though I made an immediate switch. However, it might be due to the fact that I seldom consumed vegetables or sugar to begin with. That could be the reason.
do you eat steak everyday along the grounded beef
Some people's bacteria needs to grow more meat and fat digestive bacteria. Also need to increase your bile to digest fat. Takes a few weeks. Making sure you get your electrolytes those first few weeks
Bart isn’t attacking people that go straight in as he knows many people need to, as they can’t moderate.
100 % agree, no one should make a major diet change overnight. One issue can be oxalate dumping. Next, #2 item, a major change overnight for someone with severe type 1 or type 2 diabetes can and HAS caused death / car accidents from people passing out from low blood sugar. Have seen cases of death. #3 item, Yes, next are all the gut microbiome issues. It can take weeks or years for the encapsulated microbes to present as issues. If someone has a dysfunctional Liver, then their liver will NOT make sufficient glucose. Please go slow and be careful in the beginning. Even going from a vegan or vegetarian diet to carnivore should go slow, make the transition slow. All of these overnight changes and challenges can be harmful. Yes, some people make the change, no issues. But that is not the norm. We are all very similar but broken in different ways.
If it can take years for the microbiome to present an issue (what would that even entail?), then what does it matter if someone makes an immediate change vs taking 3 months to transition?
Some people don't have a choice. Watch my comment please, so people can learn from it.
@@DroppingBearVictim slow transition helps to prevent the issue. Fast transition opens the door to possibly having issues. If someone has been eating a SAD diet for years, what's wrong with a gradual two or three month transition process? Slow transition also helps possible electrolyte issues, helps allow the gallbladder to start ramping up bile production, and helps the pancreas slow down on the insulin,.... So many great benefits by going slow in the transition process.
@@paratrooper73 what comments? Where? And why would someone be required to make a change from a past diet to a new diet immediately unless they have had a specific surgery or drastic medical change. Even after colon surgery or cancer surgery we try not to transition the person one day to the next.
Not for everyone. Some need to jump right in or it may never happen. In the end it is our choice and our consequences.
I imagine that the big problem with the transition is oxalates! I have had a hard time because of this
You would be surprised at the issues that people have just doing time restricted eating for as little as 14 hours w/o even changing their diet. Nausea, hypoglycemia, etc. Issues I’ve never had with such a low period of fasting. Ones I have a hard time even believing are possible. With humans and health anything seems to be possible.
I’m with you bro!! I ate cookies and toast and french vanilla coffee creamer! I only drank water and red wine. I just decided to go carnivore and I am doing great. Now I was taking supplements and a lot. 1 of them was florophage a probiotic that kills bad biotics. Maybe that helped. I think he’s wrong
Hello Dante. Do you have any itching on your body doing Lion Diet/Carnivore? I got some now. 3 months on carnivore diet. Someone say oxolate dumping or Histamine intolerance. I dont know. I start with C vitamin and vitamin supliments now. I do add sea salt or Himalaya salt in my food and water from when I started Carnivore.
I've been carnivore since 7/2020, I do notice in the winter months im more fatigued and im in Arizona with higher temps and no time changes, starting to feel more energy the past 2 weeks again as we head into spring. I wonder if this is a thing
If you come from a high oxalate diet like whole food plant based the dumping of oxalates can actually reharm you seriously.
Autophagy is what you get from fasting and it’s really good for your mitochondria!!
Maybe the fact that you “cheated” every few days helped with your transition to carnivore. I’m having a tough time staying on carnivore because I’m a pig that loves everything, popcorn candy, it would be easier to list what I don’t like. I’ve historically baked a cake for my wife’s birthday and I already got the cake mix. I will eat the cake and ice cream; then jump back into carnivore the next day.
I feel so good on carnivore, no digestive issues whatsoever. Maybe as time goes on I’ll lose my appetite for the stuff that breaks the carnivore way of life. I have more energy, staying power, there’s no reason to keep jumping off of it.
I like your channel, thanks for bringing us with you on your journey.
My favorite drink has been Club Soda for a few years so there’s no transition there.
It's difficult to provide specific solutions to an issue that can have so many variables . . . some people don't even know they are intolerant of something like egg whites until they clean up their diet. One thing about fasting - it empties the digestive tract and lets it rest, which is a good healing modality - but other factors should be considered, as he indicated. I don't think he's recommending that someone just jump into fasting - he observed that after other factors are considered, this would be an approach that might help reset the body toward a more normal function.
Hi, I'm Eric from the NL. I am 1,5 months on carnivore having benefits. But my stool is still not okay should I worry?