TRANE VOYAGER NOT COOLING
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- This was a call for no cooling on a Trane Voyager unit I found a few issues and got the unit back up and running.
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I appreciate you showing the drop of the condenser fans. It’s the reality of how things can just happen. Great video 👍
It also shows poor design/lack of serviceability. 😆 Come on, we can't get some gas shock struts on there?
Yeah, it’s like maybe if they put some hinges. It could solve a lot of problems
Sir, can I see OSHA approval certificate for that cinder block?
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😁👍
Look closer and it might hit you.
GOT EM!
OSHA approved cinder block. Obviously. Eric O over at South Main Auto LLC has an OSHA approved bucket. Would ya believe it ;)
The Approval stamp you want to see is the CSA or UL Stamp, not OSHA...
This looks like a video game! REPLACE THOSE FILTERS! CHARGE THAT R22! DO YOUR WORK! CLEAN UP OTHER PEOPLES MESSES! GOOD WORK CHRIS!!!
Anytime a capacitor is mushroomed don't even waste the time to check it lmao
Yeah as soon as the panel was opened that was the first thing that caught my eye lol.
I’m still a college student and I’m working towards a engineering degree, your work amazes me. Your always so accurate and meticulous with your work. I love your UA-cam channel, keep up the amazing and informative videos
That condenser is going "Um, sweetheart, Sassy can't breathe..."
Naw, that condenser didn't need to be cleaned. Not much LOL. I have seen plenty of guys who would have slapped gauges on and said everything is good just changed the cap and left.
Good job Chris
it's was very much information in this video thanks for sir I would like to a question about the trane package ( R410A) A/C error code can you please help me? thank you very much in advance
the only thing I look forward to during the lockdown. is your videos .
thanks so much bud!
When Trane built their plant in Panama City Florida they cooled it with Voyager units. The roofs were covered with the damn things and we had the service on them. I don't know if they have changed but then the heat pumps had a spun copper filtrate/mesh. It would plug up with crap and was a PITA to replace. I guess the idea was to collect any manufacturing debris and boy did they. The first time I went down to the factory and told them I needed one. They told me no way. I said you have hundreds of them in the bin right there! Nope. But it will take a week if I order it and you won't have AC. nope. SMH.
I have heard that failed capacitors can cause the fan to blow in the wrong direction. I believe it's because the fan starts spinning up very slowly and if it's already spinning due to a breeze will just keep on spinning in that direction.
The operating motor causes the one that is not operating to turn backwards. Wind can play a factor in it as well.
Learn to carry a long 2x4 for dropping fan shrouds ! Just a hint. Fun to watch ! As i was in the automotive field, i made a tool out of largish brake line so i could reverse flush with air the radiators and condensors while they were in place. Never needed to make one for water. Amazing how much junk that got blown out.
What shoes do you use? I do a lot of PMs and whem i clean coils my feet get wet and its annoying i usally have three pair of socks in my toolbag when i do clean coils lol
I will soon post a video on hoseless charging using the Field Piece hoseless Gauges.
I have those 10 ton carrier rtu and there just horrible for holding dirt in the condenser coils...
I noticed the swollen cap as soon as you removed the cover.
Great video. I’ve always used the old school equipment. When you’re looking at your phone/tablet for pressures, sub cooling and super heat, is that app measure quick or is it the app from the brand you’re using?
If it’s the brand , what brand are you using?
I noticed in your videos you tend to run a higher subcooling and lower superheat than ive been taught. I dont work much on fixed orifice , but i was always taight 11-13 degrees subcooling, 20-25 degrees suprrheat back to the compressor. To me looking at slightly low suction, good subcooling. Low superheat, would indicate in my mind low airflow/low load from the start. Im much less experienced, if you could shed some light on your train of thought it'd be appreciated.
Hearing you talk about your preference on Trane vs Lennox at the start is so true. Never really had a major complaint with Lennox units like I would with Trane or York (even Carrier to a smaller extent). How do you feel about the Prodigy controllers? Have you ever dug in deep to look at the ECTO parameters on them? It's wild how detailed they can get.
Pm we used to perform, contracted out. Units never had problems. To date unit continual problems. listened to manager of units, what I herd, was parts changers, parts changers, no real trouble shooters. and the money their paying them, 10x what the FTE's (full time employees) did the same work for, again, we, the FTE''s just sit back, shut up and laugh.
Hi ! I enjoy all your HVAC videos as I am a maintenance administrator in my country. I have a control board to be replaced as it does not send a signal to the second or third fan when cooling stage 2 starts up (that's what the service says). Do you know how long does it take to replace control board in Trane Voyager III EYKH -350 with gas heating and what to pay attention to when replacing the control board ? I will appreciate your comments. Thank you once again for great videos.
RE: Your comments about software - you're absolutely right. The Computer Science industry has a saying: "Garbage in, Garbage out". It's a tool like any other, your results will only be as good as your ability to operate the tool and the material (data) you feed it. You can cheat a lot of the requirements (such as having your sensors in non-ideal places) successfully so long as you know how doing so will skew the result and account for it.
...and just like any power tool, you can multiply the amount of damage you would have done by hand if you're using it thoughtlessly and/or recklessly.
Good work on condenser. 3 rows most techs would've just washed from outside only and getting that dirt further in the condenser
Picked up ballooned cap at 1min 34 seconds
I just started going threw all your videos I know this is probably old but I really enjoy your content!
Nice tech tip about brushing the schematics, i have definitely ha that disappointing moment after wiping the ink off of an older furnace.... lol, i have a dust brush too, don't know why it never occurred to me. Thanks!
Im not a huge fan of Trane's RTU design. They should really pick another place to print the wiring diagram than on that door, where there exposed to sunlight, and dirt. They fade quick, I don't like that there isn't an isolated compressor/access fitting either like York's Predators. Or some of Lennox, Rheem, and ICP's older RTU's.
What do you think of the Goodman RTU's? We have some at my school. I know I'm just a novice, but it's an incredible pain just to gain access to the compressor.
@@gregmercil3968 Only "RTU" Goodman I've worked on was one of those little square bastards. Compressor is a pain on them because there like splits, gotta pull them out of the top, or take the whole condenser coil out, either way, not fun. Haven't worked on any Goodman RTU's other than that. A few Daikin's from time to time. Daikin's at least there "Carrier clone" just seems like a more cramped and cheaply made version of the Carrier's. Haven't worked on any of there Maverick, or "higher end" equipment. Its neat though that you have RTU's at you're school. When I went to school we didn't have any commercial/packaged systems to learn on.
I've seen on more than a few occasions where the condensing motor wires are not tied off correctly and are touching refrigerant lines rub through happens because of vibration and it will eventually get down to the copper causing an arc and blow a hole in the lines also I seen where a liquid line was touching the wall on the second stage compressor side anywhere where the circuit lines are touching each other or a wall it will cause vibration rub through and cause leaks just letting you know through experience bro have a good one
Hi there, just want to know if you have worked on dunhambush ducting split high and medium airconditioning units.? .
Are you using yellow death condenser cleaner? Hackfreehvac uses it, the results are amazing!
Nice job, but what you did to make the unit started, just reset it because it was calling for cooling in both stages. Thank
Your perspective on diagnostic tools is well said. My apprenticeship instructor told us that you have to know enough about the fundamentals of your trade to be able to tell if the wrong values were used, or if a probe is bad, or the tool is failing. Your life could depend on it.
4 minutes in and I saw the problem. Capacitor swollen. Condenser fan issues.
canceled pm contract, yup. Pay me now or pay me 5x later!!!
We have 28 Trane units of 4 different sizes covering 2 buildings. Enthalpy economizers really screw things up but over all Trane units are very dependable but "must" be maintained. Ours are 1995 and 2007 models. I work the 1995's mostly. Three most replaced parts are belts shives and condenser fan caps.......sometimes compressor contactors. The dual cond coils are a big pain and need cleaned every other year even with screens. We have lots of cottonwood trees.
Started watching these videos because I like to repair random stuff. These videos have taught me more than my high school class about how electronics work. Now I’m learning how to diagnose electrical
Problems on my car and some other small motors. Thanks man!
That poor condensor couldn't possibly be any more blocked.
I honestly wish we had a system in the automotive industry like measure quick although automotive systems are simple on the mechanical side the electric side can be.... Interesting, especially with everything going electric using electric variable displacement compressors.
I love you're videos mate especially with how you don't just single out the one fault and run with that and call it a day I've always had a fascination with a/c & refrigeration systems, I've actually been building a refrigerant recovery machine in the little time I've got spare just to keep my mind busy from other things. it's built from bits and pieces I've had laying around it automatically shuts off at 1psi when in recovery mode and can vac systems down and charge them,
the next thing on the cards is refining the recovered refrigerant mainly 134A so that's going to be interesting.
what do you do if you have a R22 rooftop unit low on charge,do you use MO99?
Have you considered making a magnetic hinge set for yourself. Make the service of those condenser fans more ergonomic for yourself and safer too.
But 7 pounds is a lot, should have been easy to find leak. I mean 7 pounds 😅 wtf
did anyone else see RTFM indicator
Yep. I came here to mention the same hahaha
when you see the top of the capacitor exploded that means its bad, saw that the second you panned camera over it.
I don't live anywhere near you nor do I do AC work for a living (I was a commercial electrician and now a Construction Project Estimator) but I love watching your videos! You are have integrity and are dedicated to quality work, yet you also consider customer restraints and needs. Your explanations are clear and I learned a lot. I know how to install and repair home AC units from my years in the construction industry and have wired a lot of 3 phase commercial units so your examples are giving me new information. Keep up the good work! Thanks.
I'm a BAS tech. I rely on software.😎 Lol
You got to know the basics before you can interpret all that fancy stuff that the software is spitting out at you. 😎👍
B'Elanna Torres would approve.
I don’t know a whole lot about HVAC but I learn so much from your videos. Keep up the great work
I love the vids keep up the good work
You saying "we are in the middle of Covid" brought a smile to my face.
How naive or hopeful we all were back then :)
Little did we know that April of 2020 was just barely the beginning of Covid 😢
Very true..... little did we know
Whats mean voyager? Ist deference package?
Good job man, watch out for partial restricted fixed orifices on those junk tranes.. usually thats how they start to show signs of troubles superheat high, subcool high, you can over charge and get it feeding better but eventually they plug up ..trane will sell you a 900 txv kit with like 24 circuits to braze on the evap after you pull out all the fixed orifices...
Please put the satellite cinder block back where it belongs
then hire low bid hacks, parts changers. $$$$ you just sit back and laugh.
7lb added on a 13-18lb circuit....hmm that's a good leak. A quick check of say an infinicon hand held while you checked the blower.. and a quick fix by the compressor section. It could have been as simple as a Schrader valve. No maintenance.. yeah I always hated walking into those..at least the last tech dated filters.. hope the belt was dated too. Be safe chris.. have a great night.
It held 26 lbs in the 1st stage if I remember correctly ..... still its a bigger leak for sure
I had one of those units. The condenser motors were shutting down. I checked the caps. Rated for 25 and they were good. I pulled a motor and found the motors required 10uf. Trane would only warranty the caps. Well just after the warranty expired so did the motors.
Technology is unreal We didn't have that fancy Tools back in the 70s
Is it me does that thermostat board have a bad electrolytic cap 2:43 to right of finger second one up(next to top micro relay). Could be optical allusion or its dirty/shadow. Unit worked so it’s just me. Great video thanks
The electronics cabinet at least have a door that makes a decent job .... looks clean inside, no dust nor rust. So this guys are not interested in the aftermarket bussines selling boards .... Other user just pointed that has no sense to name a RTU "Voyager" ... but what about this condenser lid ?. Good vid man as usual.
What a coincidence, I was dealing with two units just like this today. The whole building was single phasing because of some blown lightning arresters. A duct smoke detector went off and you could smell burnt electrical equipment in a few rooms. I'm not an hvac tech but I was able to check them out thanks to your videos. I was suspecting a blown motor but in the end all the motors fuses and belts were good. I played it safe and recommended they have an hvac tech check out the system before starting them back up.
Great vijeo, any thoughts on using pressure washers vs tap water pressure to clean coils? I always use a pressure washer but it burned out and i'm weighing on buying another one or not...
Reliatel: yep, it’s broke. Yelling at the screen “Chris, it’s the capacitor, look, it’s swollen.” Lol.
Had a voyager a year back that was running 500 head due to the split coils being blanketed. R22 system
Nice troubleshooting buddy, i am also refrigeration and airconditioning technician working here in cayman island i am enterested with your troubleshooting tools with gadget, how can i purchase it from you?
I will discuss this on my LiveStream this evening 5/18/20 @ 5:PM (pacific time) ua-cam.com/video/UUcnVUTjJ28/v-deo.html
Chris, what is the rule of thumb superheat and subcool for the package units for different mfgs and what is the best way to place probes for delta T or return and discharge airs i am new into package units ??
I will discuss this on I’m going live on UA-cam this evening 12/14/20 @ 5:PM (pacific time) to talk about my videos and answer questions from comments, emails and the live-chat, Come check it out ua-cam.com/video/238PSHS5MIY/v-deo.html
Thanks for your videos dude . I hate those metal electrical panels on Trane Rtu’s . That transformer on the left , I’ve seen completely destroy those panels because of rub outs . I just wanted to mention and not criticize your video ( because you’re one the best out there on UA-cam ) that we can always check that UCP status light port hole in the panel before touching anything . Trane also has the test pins on the terminal block for any guys that are new in the field . Just a safety measure if there’s no obvious signs before going nuts ,l. Thanks as always from Long Island New York . Stay safe out there everyone .
Good point Chris Good trouble shooting video
Re weighing, why not write the most recent weight on the gas bottle, so you only have to weight it once -- after the re-gas.
Boy that was scary to drop that lid on the coil ey ! I almost punctured a micro channel condenser once , almost had to change my underwear afterwards !
that condensor was a chunky boy **makes heaving noises** are they normally this dirty?
Not if the customer maintains a service agreement at least it shouldn't be while maintaining it. This is why we push preventative maintenance agreements a lot because a simple call will turn into a big deal just to get the unit cleaned back up as that was the culprit. As a service man, you can't just replace the capacitor. You have to ask yourself always, why did this happen? Only then will you find the root cause. This keeps call backs low (on same problem issues) and your customers happy. Take care of them right the first time and the chances of them calling you first and waiting for you is higher.
I've watched alot of your videos. 100% of the time so far, the economizer units are always disconnected 🤣
Great content!!....love the old “dial a charge” and “Simpson 260” on the shelves
Have you ever worked on a temp star unit
Looks like the changed compressor isn’t OEM? Did the original burn.. or break? I’m not sure if that was the circuit you were charging? Maybe short orifice tubes plugged..? After you slammed the condenser section down on the coil I quit watching.!!!! Lol lol lol
I love your stuff Chris ... I’m just razzing you about the condenser cap. I’ve done the same thing when I couldn’t get help. The white bass are running here we are headed down to try and catch a few. Have a great Friday
Ha ha yeah my butt puckered when it dropped. The black compressor is actually oem.... trane goes back and forth with their colors....
Too much data can backfire.
Put on your safety gloves...........
At 1:19 did you say Linux, or Lennox?
I'd like the see a Linux Powered AC Unit. Let it hook into home-assistent and give us all the API info like your Samsung Tablet your using gives you.
Your line of work is very interesting. It makes me want to do a career change.
what happened to the econimizer
7 lbs that's a pretty good leak 😳
Are that snowy mountains at 17:50 ?
Pluggo buggo-nor cal dave voice- lol
Swollen cap first thing that sticks out to me
main bld air cond inop, remote contractor computer, chiller tower pump inop. Needs new pump motor!!! sending tech, with no new motor. I'm like new system, and a three phase pump motor, hmm?? no. building guy (my former job) would you like me to take a look? 5 minutes, pump electrinic overload tripped. (I hate electronic overloads) rest, boom, a/c on.
Stacked condensor 🥺🧐🙄
Only good thing about microchannel condenser coils......there wont be 2-3 rows of them. Makes cleaning them much easier
IDK why this crossed my mind just now... Do you ever show your customers the video you shot (e.g. that plugged up condenser?) (I show mine when I'm working on a chiller or something)
I had to pause this in the middle as my HVAC guy showed up to fix my (home) unit. The wire to the outside compressor came off in the furnace and we accidentally hooked it back up to Y2 and not Y1, so it wasn’t coming on at all, since I only have 1 stage.
Ok, I know I have a problem, but @ 9:36 when I saw that dirty old condenser I realized we'd be CLEANING!!! Great work man, you're tops.
What app are you using?
I think that double flash said "diagnostics present". Is there any way to read the diagnostics and decode them into something (possibly) useful?
Sometimes. I run in to the same thing with drives, on the 480 side of electricity.
Every manufacturer is different: some will give you a list of possible problems, right on the schematic diagram. Some don't want Joe Everybody poking around in it, so they only give diagnostic/troubleshooting information to factory techs, and you'll see every possibility in between those two ends. Some "troubleshooting guides" are essentially: turn it off, wait ten seconds, then turn it back on. If that doesn't fix it, call your service rep. They really don't want you trying to DIY it.
If you find yourself looking at one of those "black box" units, that want you to call a tech as the first option, you may be screwed.
17:17 Chris talking about condensors and evaps.... Me looking at the stunning mountain view hearing nothing what he is saying.
I know, right!
Very nice video to understand the diagnosis process of an HVAC unit. May I know what's tool on your samsung tablet for data reading functions? Thank you and keep your excellent work!
A good coat of fast drying varnish will also help preserve those diagrams.
Have you tried 444B as a replacement for 22?
I think something more usable or what everybody knows an whats their you should replace it with say 404a or 410a thats what everybody is using now
What place of business is this for? I thought the whole country was still on lockdown so most places are closed....especially a bar? I’m confused..
22:00 Tech: "I'd like to clean your evaporator. Can I charge you for that?"
Customer: "We're in the middle of COVID.
Tech: "Wait, so people don't need to breath clean air during COVID? You do understand what the evaporator coil does, right?" 😆
New IOS UA-cam format sucks horse d. Ngl. Awesome content as usual!
That opening was epic lma9
I definitely dropped a cover on a residential unit and fan blade caught the coil. Unfortunate, but its the human aspect of our job. Anybody who says different is a super tech and deserves a gold star. I'm glad you show the human aspect of our job. Great video.
can I ask the reason you don't like the all in one capacitor? I have used them a few time and have not hade a problem,, yet.
Because they are very expensive compared to a 25x440 run cap. JMHO.
There’s a easier way to clean them coils you have to split them
I like those Bomber safety glasses but they are $80 plus in Canada smh. Good vid.