Is this Kite Bar the best in the world?
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- Опубліковано 7 чер 2024
- Wanna hear some truth? I've been kitesurfing professionally for 5 years and during that time, I've made a point of testing ALL the gear that's out there! Having ridden every major brand in the game, I've come to ask myself: IS THIS THE BEST BAR IN THE WORLD?
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No adjustable Y-split and only 3.5cm width adjustment though. Oh, and its €769..💀
What I'm looking for in a bar isn't the ability to adjust the width or the Y split, but rather: a bar that I can trust with my life, a bar which actually auto-untwists, a bar which I can adjust line lengths on, a bar which is durable, and a bar which I can replace all the parts on.
To be quite frank with you, I haven't ridden a single other bar which ticks all of those boxes. Not one. Tell me about any other bar and I'll tell you how I've seen the lines break unexpectedly within mere months of use, how the lines fray, the quick releases open for no good reason or the lines don't untwist automatically.
Again, I don't want to shit on other brands, but the shortcomings of other bars do highlight how epic this bar is.
If you want that stuff, f-one LINX bar. I’ve never felt so confident
@@gethighwithmike Ok, challenge accepted... One bar and I'm sure you've never seen the lines break of it:
Renthal Twinwall bar, I use the 999 model in orange color.
ua-cam.com/video/1rccYnQ3rX0/v-deo.html Sensor 3 Video Complaint , A lot of Reports as well
Dreamstick X v2 (reedin) ?
I love how the core lines are not sticky. Some of the other brands the lines stick together. Witch is frustrating when trying to setup quickly
Haha I'll have to keep an eye out for that next time I'm testing!
The only problem with Sensor Pro, and which holds Core to sell much more of these (expensive) bars, is that they're made only for Core kites.
Just an adjustable Y-split and a standard 1-line safety system, would make it the best bar on the market for all kites and not just Cores.
Hey Core, learn with Duotone. Clickbar sucks but it's compatible to any kite on the planet.
That's why I go with this:
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It also has the double untwisting feature but ALSO the 1-line safety system.
trust bar is better than clickbar
@@VK-pl1nd Sure! But only clickbar was made 100% adjustable and compatible with other kites (afaik)
@@VK-pl1ndthere lines are crap
Nice review! Best bar I've ever tried hands down. No frills, just performance and confidence inspiring safety.
good review! for people who want to buy this bar and use it with other kites, i would also mention the bar has a high-Y split, which could make compatibility an issue. also another thing related to compatibility is the flag out system of the bar which doesn't fully de-power the kite on a single line, but rather has a 90-10% depower split on the center lines? not sure about this one, what do you think? thanks
i also try to figure this out, because although I only fly core kites, I still use a cabrinha bar because it wonderfully flags out the kite.
This also allows me to land the kite when alone on the beach by pulling the relase a few meters above ground and kite perfectly falls on beach position.
Can you ride this bar with Duotone Kites ? And if so - any difference / how would you go about doing it ???
First of all, I am a Core owner myself... and I dont get this kind of review having in mind that Core will fix the safety system next year. Keep in mind that this "BEST BAR" in the world is not IKO approved... Nothing more to say. It happened to me few times that the safety did not work well. So quite happy to hear that eventually, after long time of denying, it will be fixed.
Looks great ! Not sure if it is THE best bar available, that's always different between people, but it sure seems a good option.
Up until now, from what I used, the Reedin dreamstick was the nicest, but of course there's more bar's I didn't try than the other way around. And I'm not a really experienced rider.
The S3 has been out for a while now! But. When will core make the sensor 4??
Indeed! Even though it isn't new, I still felt the need to share this info with anybody who isn't yet aware
Mike I gotta say, the newer Core bars seem to have a bad issue with the foam grip coming apart really early on into the control bar's lifespan. I was just on an Egypt trip where every person with a Core bar had this issue. I'm not sure if it was the newest iteration of Core bars but I would be stoked if Core tried to fix this issue considering what they charge for new bars.
I had one of the very first batch of sensor 3 pro bars, which is from when the current xr was the xr6, so a few years old, I have had no such problems
It doesn't work even one season !!
Hey Mike! I've got the 3Pro bar that I use with 24 m lines but now you got me thinking that I should try 22. My big question is how the hell do I undo the knots after using them for a full session, to downgrade to 22. It seems like impossible, it feels as though they are welded already. Any tips for that? Also, I ride with an 8 and a 10 both XR. Average wind speed in Western Australia is anywhere between 18-27 knots. Do you recommend 22 m for both kites?
Patience and a kind of non sharp fat needle for knots, check online
you can chew them with teeth gently (wet before doing this)
Soak the knots first. Then wiggle and presto!
I never heard of quick release opening mid-air. How frequent is that? Which brands are affected?
Never heard as well...
Nah, it's the just the bar your sponsor gave you.
The best bar in the world?
Which ever one get's you out on the water today.
That bar, is effing awesone!
Must say, I also love this bar. I usually ride another brand, and I never liked the Core bars from a few years ago, but this one is probably my favorite right now.
One thing I miss though - How do I ride suicide for my unhooked riding? Wish that Core could provide an accessory with the bar for that. Any tips on that Mike?
Thanks brother!
You are right, the bar is amazing good, but you have to make sure there is absolutely no sand in the quickrelease. I had one time the situation that my quick release opens because it was laying in the sand before starting the kite. I was jumping at the beach to check the power of the kite and it opened, luckily I didn’t injured my self.
Same has happened to me, extremely important. I always keep it closed now when not on me and check the locking extra carefully everytime I launch.
Yes totally agreed. I always rinse my QR and press it in firmly, even giving it a couple hard tugs to make sure it's latched.
Great but having a double line around the bar which allows to untwist is really dangerous when doing handle pass with kite low because your fingers of your hand catching the bar can get between these double lines. Like with the duotone trust bar
What about when the rubber starts to tear off the bar? Do they sell a fix? I pretty much just replace my bar every year
Yeah the grip does come off too fast. We've had a couple issues in my shop and Core was great about warranties.
What part of Brazil was this filmed in?
Ive seen couple of these snapped in half. Add metal through the whole width of the handle and it would be trustworthy. The rest really is very nice
During Quick-Release on the step when we collecting all lines on the bar we need to do one more move - open the end of the bar. This 2-3 seconds can be critical in some situations.
IMHO: this bar is fun to use, but not totally safe.
Real good, BUT the kite dont flag out when quick release. Why? 🤷♂️
Some questions: What if 2 powerlines have different length, can you adjust? How does the flag-out system works? Low V, High V? Does the bar auto-detangle after a kiteloop?
U can adsjust The line leghts in the end of the Bar. Flag out System is a single Supported Frontline, have tried with slingshot, cabrinha and duotone and they all work. Its a pretty low V and yes the Powerlines auto Untwist after a rotation/Loop (Core was the first brand using this)
@@luisschilz8958 Thanks, I took a deeper look and indeed, I understood it! With the 2 plastic depower cords, the front lines and backlines always keep in the same line-up when you loop the kite. (the power lines cannot tangle under their own) The rotations happen under the bar. Nice design, well done!
Coolaz bro. Hope to see you and Yanek together sending it again soon!!!
Me too :D He's coming to CT in December!
@@gethighwithmike Nice!
Are they sk99 lines?
From what I understand, SK99 is a broad term given to the range of DC PRO lines. This line is one of them, but one of the higher strength models
Surprisingly compatible with my Airush kites too. Tho I love it w the core kite!
Im Sorry bro, i love your content 9 out of 10 times, but this aint it, we cannot take this seriously. Just too much bias coming from you. Huge downside as well of this bar is the Y split, pretty much cant fly any other kite with it other then core, and buying a new and different model kite just for bar? The SK99 lines are just as good as these, the Line Smith in the Netherlands has this, many pro riders flying in KOTA with these lines as we speak
No adjustable steering line lengths at the bar? That's a handy feature on Ozone. Need more power? Then land, adjust at the bar, launch and ride. Needing to untwisting lines has a funny benefit. If you hate untwisting at the chicken loop then force yourself to untwist by jumping and rolling the opposite way. You'll sync your front and back roll improvements over time. Also beats replacing Core bar inserts every 6 months.
Oh, and having a low Y (near the bar) makes self landing safe and easy. Land a wingtip, grab the Y, pull in a metre of front line, release the bar, kite sits happily, then walk a few metres up wind and pull only the top, front line down to drop the leading edge onto the ground. Ok for beginners with supervision. Perfect for everyone else. Works even is gusty AF conditions. And you still have the option of pulling your safety.
Best bar ever ! I even know some Duotone rider riding this Core bar with their Duotone kite 😝
1. You ride for Core 2. Duotone bars are probably the most unrelaible in the market right now :D
@@smkyzorkite yes I ride for Core but I also rode for lots of other brands and clearly the core bar is the one I prefer. It’s still not perfect, but its pretty close ! And the untwist system is the only one working 100% of the time since many many years ! I had so many issues with other brands untwist systems that sometimes got stuck and put me in really dangerous situation.
And I just found funny to see a friend riding the core bar with its Duotone kite even if for me you should never mix bar and kite from different brand because then usually your kite is not behaving like it’s been designed to behave.
But don’t take anyone’s word for the absolute truth and go try yourself to forge your own opinion, it’s really the best because what can work for someone may not work for someone else ;-)
Yes bro, plus 1. I respect a lot of the other comments going on on this video. I get that it’s not the best in all ways, but it certainly is the best in the ways that count for me and my good times on the water.
To me, this bar, is also the best one I've ever flown, and I now fly it on my Duotone kites.
Like you say, the bar works really well and I can trust the lines in any condition. Something that you didn't mention yet is the weight of the bar, which is one of the lowest in the scene i believe. My Sensor 2 bar weighs in at about 800 grams. I believe the s3 pro is about 950. quite nice if you bring more bars and short on weight.
There are however, some issues with it which I think would have been cool if you pointed those out as well.
1. QR sometimes getting stuck and not releasing the chickenloop.
2. Extremely fast wear on the y-split. (strange because the y-split on the sensor 2 bar has yet to fail on me after about 8 years of riding)
3. Foam is coming off the bar easily.
Lets hope they fix these issues with the sensor 4 pro.
Hi Mike! Any idea on how to replace the depower line part 6A on the CORE sensor 3 PRO BAR??. I just spent 4 hours trying to secure the connection up by Topnut head! I searched the internet and CORE website... no video on it anywhere and other people on the internet couldn't find a how-to video either. Totally bummed I missed a good windy day over it. I keep spare parts on hand and had this part but couldn't make the repair because it's too complicated. The ball kicker is that I'm not mechanically retarded either I work in HVAC and own my own business. Please tell CORE about this.
I've had my problems but i still love core
I rode Slingshot kites until their new fancy untwist bar didn't have the replaceable bits. 6 months and the bar is un fixable.
no stopper to shorten the depower way ( for short arms ). hey they can sell a shorty-version..... dont like the price developing
Do the bars correctly flag out all kite sizes yet??
nope
Most important: The Flagout safety will not work properly on all kites. Cause it's a supported frontline safety, the difference in line length is about 2,5 to 3m which for sure is not enough...
Honestly spoken, one of the best bars at the market is the 2023 Cabrinha bar. You'll get a super short quickrelease with click in, a long depower range, normal V split, safe single front line safety, also with super easy auto untwist... and it will work with mostly every kite on the market.
Aint nobody in their right mind buying that shit cabrina bar after what happened to Lorenzo
I’ve had two Cabrinha bars over last three years that totally disintegrated in many different areas. They seem to wear out and self destruct - every part of them. Last month line in black tubing through handle (it’s not visible inside the tuning) snapped during a big jump and the damage caused my finger to almost snap and it’s heavily bruised and inflamed and finger won’t close properly. From depower webbing, to handles, elastic, lines, quick release unintentional, also swivel joint join pops out, it all self destructs - even with meticulous care and rinsing in fresh water after each use. Just my personal experiences for the record.
@Ryy22 Yeah, maybe the release has a too light opening. But things you can fix by using hair ties. I'd rather have this instead of a Core bar not fully flagging out the kite in emergency 😅
@@kitesurfmaxx How about buying a bar that has neither both of those issues haha
@@Ryy22 I'd love to have it ;)
Cabrinha also has the double untwisting line, BUT it also flags out on 1-line AND has the lower Y:
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I've got one. It's fantastic.
guys, ask Lorenzo about the quality
I’ve had two Cabrinha recoil bars over last three years that totally disintegrated in many different areas. They seem to wear out and self destruct - every part of them. Last month line in black tubing through handle (it’s not visible inside the tuning) snapped during a big jump and the damage caused my finger to almost snap and it’s heavily bruised and inflamed and finger won’t close properly. From depower webbing, to handles, elastic, lines, quick release unintentional, also swivel joint join pops out, it all self destructs - even with meticulous care and rinsing in fresh water after each use. Just my personal experiences for the record.
COWABUNGA !!! (from N.C.)
Did my first ever loop at ~8meters with my pro bar and my quick release opened mid air 😂 somehow I landed it - don’t ask how given my experience
Haha I'm glad you landed it! To be honest with you, I think that your chicken loop wasn't inserted all the way. I always rinse my QR and press it in firmly, even giving it a couple hard tugs to make sure it's latched.
No offense Mike, but the Slingshot sentry V2 bar has pretty much same features😊
This bar same as BMW, good untill it's new. Later you have to invest in spare parts very often. And grip is too sensitive(
Spare parts are part of the game for any bar. And yes, the grip indeed wears too fast
I wonder what these designers are up to? We all know the Safety Flag out length is too short. The floaters are too soft and when there's slack at a landing, the steering lines often wrap around the bar causing a death loop. The Chickensticks are too stiff, I've broken like 4 already. Chickenloop requires significant force to open. Rubber grip on the bar wears off really quickly. Apart From that it's great, but lots of room for improvements, like all other brands.
Ah not to forget the hard plastic ends which have caused multiple broken fingers during handle passes :)
Of all the issues you've mentioned, the only one I've had problems with is the grip wearing out too fast. Perhaps the floats could be thicker so that the bars float better. But my kites flags out enough for sure! Maybe not enough to completely eliminate pull, but the kite certainly isn't flying and creating enough pull for me to be concerned.
Granted, I'm not a beginner so tiny bit of pull doesn't bother me
@@gethighwithmike Yeah on everything under a 10m kite it works perfectly fine, but on a bigger size the kite can only flag out when its with the front tube facing up, if its in the Park Position on the water it just can't turn enough. They are working on an improved version to stop this from happening, but taking ages to reach the market.
@@gethighwithmike More an issue when instructing beginners than for advanced riders. Always bit of a strange moment when I explain the Quick release and tell the student that the kite should stop pulling and it just doesn't happen haha.
I’ve heard that the bar doesn’t deliver fully once you pull the safety and is overall one of the most unsafe bars on the market
The left part of the bar should be red ! Not black, not white, not blue, not yellow..... just Red !
It should be a standard for all brands.
When you learn, you need to have a clear and fast indicator of which side to pull. But even for average riders, when falling after a rotation, loop.... and if the kite is heading to the water, you just want to grab the correct side of the bar.
So NO it is not perfect at all !
Haha, I never said it was perfect Baptiste! The issues you speak of are not issues for me, but I can certainly understand how they are issues for schools. I hope that Core addresses your points in the next bar they release :)
Just when I thought you were a very good teacher, you go and make a commercial for Core....
Howzit Bru' s . I' m core lover , however , there are some things to point out . This might bel cool For seasonal tourist , however , if you use it hard , the following happens : - coating dies within one season - the bar inserts inside so called "untwist system " wears out fast , and if uou havent't noticed that ( who guessed that this may happen with 700 eur bar ?!?) Your power lines destroyed in one session , and they unrepairable ( if you at remote wavespot without dealer nearby ... u ´re fucked ) . Not recommended for heavy use ..
Not using a narrow bar and 24m lines tells me the kite is slow
Also these bars can break, youtube massive kitemare xr7, and watch a new sensor 3 snap in half. Guy is lucky to be alive…
I just watched the video. I coached Tomas years ago actually. The bar did not snap in half. The QR opened up. Sorry mate, but it must not have been latched properly. I always rinse my QR and press it in firmly, even giving it a couple hard tugs to make sure it's properly latched.
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@@gethighwithmike Bro, you are wrong! thats literally what he said himself a few weeks after, the quick release is on its own, he inspected the bar, and you dont say these kinds of things unless youve inspected the bar afterwards :
@Ryy22
1 jaar geleden
holy fuck, what happened?
@thomasderidder5741
1 jaar geleden
The left side of the bar broke off as well as one of the powerlines
@Ryy22
1 jaar geleden
Do you mean the left steering line, or the actual bar/metal itself broke off?
@thomasderidder5741
1 jaar geleden
@Ryy22 the actual bar broke off. It’s a plastic part
@weissry1
1 jaar geleden (bewerkt)
Watched that a few times in .25 speed, and still can't grasp what happened. Were all the lines intact afterwards? It looks like the QR released on it's own
@Mikhashilin
1 jaar geleden
My guess is sand in the quick release
@thomasderidder5741
1 jaar geleden
When i popped of the water, the left side of the bar snapped. Then a powerline snapped, maybe because of the high pressure. The QR released indeed on it’s own
After seeing this video and reading on kiteforum(go check the thread, its 8 pages long) all of the issues with the bar itself, flag out system, the quick release and the rings at the Y split also, I went with another brand even though the XR is the best kite ive ever flown, once you start jumping 15m or higher I dont want ANY funny business anymore. Core bars are known to be more on the unsafer side here in the Netherlands, we even have a running gag/joke about it. I wonder if Core is even aware of all the bad press, just your comment section alone speaks volume. If you have any pull with Core, please highlight the issues to them. I still want a Core XR in the future, but I just cannot trust that bar right now
@@gethighwithmike oef Mike, then rewatch it again at 0.25x speed and at 1:11 - 1:12, the bar snaps and then safety goes. As I’m (definitely) not a pro rider safety is a lot more important to me than auto untwist for example. Unfortunately I haven’t seen a bar yet that has it all (curious about the new cabrinha though).
@@gethighwithmike In one of the comments under the video Thomas says that "The left side of the bar broke off as well as one of the powerlines". So it didn't snap in half, but it did break
The grip is really lousy though!
Yeah it does wear out too fast :/
Sorry man huge respect to you but this is 100% biased since you basically ride for Core...
Oh, only 679€ and you need a spare bar and replace something after a few month?
Like a scam in real life but we are kitesurfers so let’s buy everything they release.
Best Bar is the Duotone Click Bar. Sorry Bro.
Haha thanks for the feedback bro, but I actually dislike the Click bar for 2 reasons: 1 the front lines snap after just a few months of regular usage and 2, the bar is way heavier on one end than on the other, due to the mechanism, which makes the bar spin uncontrollably when you do bar spins
Definitely not the best bar in the world, this untwist system is far from perfect, five years ago this system almost drowned me after four spins and a bar lock. Also when the wind is light or you are downwind this system is a crap, you don't have enough depower and is almost imposible to untwist the kite, than you untwist again with hand. And definitely if you ride unhooked or hydrofoil stay away from that kind of system.
Great bar I stick with this one too. I buy it for safety and dependability. There are a lot of bars that I hear about from my kite group breaking out on the water lines snapping Parts breaking off what a nightmare and happening too frequently and over and over again in the same place. I wish someone would make a dependable and Safe low V bar for my other KITES that aren’t CORE. And CORE has excellent Parts availability. I know of other people still waiting for parts for other bars.