I agree with most of what you stated however you said the gravy train is over . How dare I get upset buying a tank at an inflated economy making high silver amount and now it’s being taken. The temerity I must have being upset for spending real money on a product that produces high returns now it’s gone . Yup people have no reason to be upset at all ! I chose to buy a lie hence my feeling duped, so obviously I’m the idiot for making that purchase on the lie dangled before me , yup my bad !
If you spend in CW what you earn in CW then the tank is still as good a earner as it was before. But if your sole intention in buying the tank was to earn in CW and spend in WW2 then that is knowingly abusing a unbalance in the game which would obviously be patched sooner or later.
@@muttznutts7465 the tank advertising an exorbitant amount of earnings has NOTHING to do on how I spend that silver . What was sold for real money as it was advertised is now false advertisement no more no less
@@Stinkypinky01 I was speaking morally but if thats not important then i understand. However it isn't false advertising. Nothing has changed about the tank. It is still as good a earner relative to the other tanks as it was before, which meets the use for which it was advertised. Read your EULA. Know what your buying. Its just pixles in a free to play video game. A game where stats may change at any time or even have its servers turned off. If you do honestly think you were miss-sold an item in a video game i strongly recommend you seek legal advie with a view to making a claim. Let me know how that goes wont you. I brought a tank 8 years ago that was described as having really good armour, but i played it yesterday and got ripped to bits. I think i might sue.
Well, I'd say that the economy and health of the game are put into place by Wargaming since they make the game. The silver earn rate and costs of the CW vehicles are NOT the issues, it's people like me jumping in and using the premium CW (OP) vehicles that they continue to give away or sell, rack up huge silver amounts, and then use that silver in WWII. Wargaming had two choices, bring in a whole new game using a different currency, or making an extension, adding in true vision at Tier XI. They, themselves, decided to make the worst decision they could, making it possible for this to happen. Numbers do not lie, CW has been a flop, and the only reason most play is to gain silver for WWII, or run around in an OP tank they bought/earned, and the game play reflects that. If they truly wanted to fix the mess they have created, they would take a more aggressive stance and lock CW until you ground out at least one Tier X line, they would stop selling or giving away anything over a Tier XIII, and go back to the pre 6.0 days, make the premiums LESS powerful, but used as silver grinders and crew trainers, and make the MM balanced. Now, with this reversion in earn/costs, that tells me that they are thinking of just adding it to the WWII line, which is something they should have done in the first place, in my opinion. Either way, appreciate your perspective on the matter and did enjoy the driving lesson....
The problem is some WW2 tanks eat up silver (like Cobra). So remove grinding silver in CW means Cobra will never get out of my garage again. Never...ever.
Grinding the T69 tech tree is a money pit. Standard rounds are hot garbage so even when your top tier you need to load the gold. Also the Pnz 2j is pointless to play without spamming 40,000 in silver around the map at tier 3. But its such a giggle its worth every penny. I don't have the cobra so have no idea if its fun or not? If its fun then just take it out when you want a giggle, if its trash then yeah let it catch dust in a dark corner and find a better tank to play.
As long as the tank repair costs decrease, I’m fine. If they don’t change I really don’t agree, because I have had games in pc and WWII where I had over 4K damage and I’ve still lost silver. When you get 500k to 1mil a game for me is almost always the premiums unless you break 10k at era 1. Otherwise it normally sits around 50k.
They did adjust the ww2 silver earnings a while back they lowered it they screwed up in the beginning with cold war they should have just expanded the tiers from ww2
Watching that reminded me why i fell in love with this game,, before i got obsessive about win8 and stats. Thanks for that. (edit) btw im surprised you didn't use the smoke. I guess you forgot about it?
With goose meme...How does it fix weasel, 292 and 477 problem? I've almost finished era 2 grind and see no reason to even bother with era 3. About as funnt as getting 1 avreed in tier 8 heavy. But in ww2 I will have my revenge with lights and god-awful-arty.
I’m seeing it a bit more differentiated. Many opinions on the earning potential and the possible outcome being stated as okay is coming from those who are among the best players out there. Those have been able to earn massively in CW, that this isn’t healthy and bumping up the average earning across the playerbase. If they’d have been using a median earning instead of an average. That aside: if you’re not running credit and/ or XP boosters to earn more it’s being way more noticeable that the earnings are cut down. With the ammo cost not being addressed yet, a bad game in a TT E1 CW will loose you credits. That’s something that shouldn’t happen (remind in the entry tiers). I’m totally fine to stiffen up at the higher tiers like for example Legends do to weed out the abysmal performance players that will run out of credits eventually by being poor performers. TL;DR: it’s a bit overturned IMO and are at the cost of those who are not among the better/ best performers in the game. As an example: on the old economy and me being a fairly average player I made around 100k in a E1 TT w/o boosters and 250-300k avrg in a E2 premium. With the old economy it took me less time than it does now to grind the credits (consumables and equipment costs are the same) now. Now I’m able to get the EXP faster and while having lower cost I still being stuck in a grind for credits because to not being at a massive disadvantage with a 6skill crew in a standard consumable "eco" tank w/o full equipment, my credit earning is reduced more than the proposed % by WG. The Solution could be, that the standard ammo would cost less and the equipment prices would also be lowered at lower tiers and getting progressively more expensive. (A system that works fine at Ships/ Legends, where the Service cost, ammo cost, equipment is starting low and be increased throughout the tiers). You can now advance to mid tier easier and be able to research more tank lines to get to know the tanks better which (for a semi decent player) would be helpful and beneficial to get the knowledge playing different tanks as well as playing against.
What do you think about selling all your tech tree Era 1 tanks at a premium price now, then buying them back when prices come down in February? Eclipse talked about that in one of his videos.
This is hilarious 😂 I love it! They have pretty much made grinding CW irrelevant to me. Premium tanks are just better lol I don't care about the coin, really.
I don't understand how increasing ww2 is a bad thing. I don't have a silver problem but I don't enjoy losing silver in ww2 grinding tech tree tanks . Have to win or be in top 3 to gain silver in matches. All that's going to happen is hurt the game by bringing less experience players to cw . More noobs YOLOing causing half the team to get destroyed in the first bit of the game or like iv seen the last people left alive have next to no damage assistance or blocking points I believe it will just kill the game. Wargaming has already broke the game by adding the premium tanks that cost an arm and leg that are op compared to tech tree tanks both in cw and ww2. Wargaming doesn't want to fix or help the game its obvious to them is all about $ look at the op tanks that keep coming or the newer war chest that cost 1000 gold and have worse odds and benefits than the old style the use to be I'd cards. Or trying to get someone to purchase equipment for gold in post game rewards I think its a joke the direction that the game is going . I believe most that play can agree that Wargaming doesn't car about what the community wants
I can go on and on but I believe that the game could end as we know it this year, then they release the same game with better graphics that will have issues. Plus everybody has to start from the beginning again and everything in game will be released gradually overtime and will have to be purchased and acquired all over again. That's what I predict. Ps love the videos and content keep it coming 👌 👍👍
@@ryanbarton6739 I think if they killed off WoT in favour of WoT 2.0 or project CW like is being released on pc soon a huge amount of vets would just move to War Thunder or possably even Armoured Warfare as really the only reason to stay for many is the time/money invested so far. I know thats where I would go and just outta spite and salt i would never play another WG product again. WG messed up when it started bringing "clown tanks" into the game. Flag tanks like the freedom were introduced and that was ok, everyone likes to be proud and other nations wanted flag tanks. That was ok. Then we got stupid crayon type drawings on tanks like the ripper, that was t5 and just ignored as its pants. Free tier3 tanks with fairy lights on at xmas like blitzen was dodgey but hey its xmas and its op so better than a jumper... Now we have tanks with massive spiders on the turret and soviet heavys with 2 main guns for some reason. Somewhere they lost the plot, by trying to be cool and hip and giving the youth what they want they turned into the creepy guy who you know did too much acid at some point in the past. I can see them wanting to reset everything but they'd just mess it up again.
Health of the game? Then why this health of the game when there are many health of the game issues? Era 3 is a health issue, it's more like Tier 3 on steroids driving and shooting in one big, massive pack of tanks. Then you have the power creep on the new premium tanks coming out destroying the grinding tech tanks, what's that about. The health of the game is as always, the profit that war gaming generates, simple as that. It's a business and I am alright with it. I mean what other product do you purchase because you like what you see and what the product does best. Then in a few months later the seller changes the specs on you without giving you a discount of what you purchased earlier. That's a good business model and very healthy. The change of the silver making doesn't bother me because I have most of the tanks I wanted to grind. Really the output of new premium tanks may cost or may be free will mainly give you a good game and very competitive to the tech line. It's just up to what the person wants to get out of the game and stop looking at the good ole old days of wots it's not the same. Move on or move away.
the problem of the move on or move away attitude is people will leave and very few will return. If you don't replace those who leave with new players who are willing to grind or buy multiple tanks each at the same price you can get another full game for then the game will die and servers get turned off.
lmao... just out for a Sunday drive round town... with the occasional dodging of bullets
Run Forest, run!😂😂😂
And everything you say makes sense. Thanks for trying to clarify everything calmly and without emotion.
I agree with most of what you stated however you said the gravy train is over .
How dare I get upset buying a tank at an inflated economy making high silver amount and now it’s being taken. The temerity I must have being upset for spending real money on a product that produces high returns now it’s gone . Yup people have no reason to be upset at all ! I chose to buy a lie hence my feeling duped, so obviously I’m the idiot for making that purchase on the lie dangled before me , yup my bad !
If you spend in CW what you earn in CW then the tank is still as good a earner as it was before. But if your sole intention in buying the tank was to earn in CW and spend in WW2 then that is knowingly abusing a unbalance in the game which would obviously be patched sooner or later.
@@muttznutts7465 the tank advertising an exorbitant amount of earnings has NOTHING to do on how I spend that silver .
What was sold for real money as it was advertised is now false advertisement no more no less
@@Stinkypinky01 I was speaking morally but if thats not important then i understand. However it isn't false advertising. Nothing has changed about the tank. It is still as good a earner relative to the other tanks as it was before, which meets the use for which it was advertised.
Read your EULA. Know what your buying. Its just pixles in a free to play video game. A game where stats may change at any time or even have its servers turned off.
If you do honestly think you were miss-sold an item in a video game i strongly recommend you seek legal advie with a view to making a claim.
Let me know how that goes wont you. I brought a tank 8 years ago that was described as having really good armour, but i played it yesterday and got ripped to bits. I think i might sue.
An old children’s storybook called, they want they’re Mongoose back.
You gotta' love the 107, well played
One of the greatest videos I’ve ever watched 😂 The editing in the end deserves a like 👍Also how did you stay alive for that long lol
I love the Claus K. music you added. It made this even more enjoyable to watch. This was great.
Cracking effort pal 🤘
Well, I'd say that the economy and health of the game are put into place by Wargaming since they make the game. The silver earn rate and costs of the CW vehicles are NOT the issues, it's people like me jumping in and using the premium CW (OP) vehicles that they continue to give away or sell, rack up huge silver amounts, and then use that silver in WWII.
Wargaming had two choices, bring in a whole new game using a different currency, or making an extension, adding in true vision at Tier XI. They, themselves, decided to make the worst decision they could, making it possible for this to happen. Numbers do not lie, CW has been a flop, and the only reason most play is to gain silver for WWII, or run around in an OP tank they bought/earned, and the game play reflects that.
If they truly wanted to fix the mess they have created, they would take a more aggressive stance and lock CW until you ground out at least one Tier X line, they would stop selling or giving away anything over a Tier XIII, and go back to the pre 6.0 days, make the premiums LESS powerful, but used as silver grinders and crew trainers, and make the MM balanced.
Now, with this reversion in earn/costs, that tells me that they are thinking of just adding it to the WWII line, which is something they should have done in the first place, in my opinion.
Either way, appreciate your perspective on the matter and did enjoy the driving lesson....
good post +1
The problem is some WW2 tanks eat up silver (like Cobra). So remove grinding silver in CW means Cobra will never get out of my garage again. Never...ever.
Grinding the T69 tech tree is a money pit. Standard rounds are hot garbage so even when your top tier you need to load the gold. Also the Pnz 2j is pointless to play without spamming 40,000 in silver around the map at tier 3. But its such a giggle its worth every penny.
I don't have the cobra so have no idea if its fun or not? If its fun then just take it out when you want a giggle, if its trash then yeah let it catch dust in a dark corner and find a better tank to play.
As long as the tank repair costs decrease, I’m fine. If they don’t change I really don’t agree, because I have had games in pc and WWII where I had over 4K damage and I’ve still lost silver. When you get 500k to 1mil a game for me is almost always the premiums unless you break 10k at era 1. Otherwise it normally sits around 50k.
I'm not here for a good time, I'm here for a loooong time
They did adjust the ww2 silver earnings a while back they lowered it they screwed up in the beginning with cold war they should have just expanded the tiers from ww2
Ww2 is lame they should have made it all cw and ww2 for noobs
Watching that reminded me why i fell in love with this game,, before i got obsessive about win8 and stats. Thanks for that.
(edit) btw im surprised you didn't use the smoke. I guess you forgot about it?
With goose meme...How does it fix weasel, 292 and 477 problem?
I've almost finished era 2 grind and see no reason to even bother with era 3. About as funnt as getting 1 avreed in tier 8 heavy. But in ww2 I will have my revenge with lights and god-awful-arty.
Fun game 🥳😂 question for a future video : Are there too many small maps in ColdWar 🤔 might start a debate🤔
And the Fast Forward.
I’m seeing it a bit more differentiated.
Many opinions on the earning potential and the possible outcome being stated as okay is coming from those who are among the best players out there. Those have been able to earn massively in CW, that this isn’t healthy and bumping up the average earning across the playerbase. If they’d have been using a median earning instead of an average.
That aside: if you’re not running credit and/ or XP boosters to earn more it’s being way more noticeable that the earnings are cut down. With the ammo cost not being addressed yet, a bad game in a TT E1 CW will loose you credits.
That’s something that shouldn’t happen (remind in the entry tiers). I’m totally fine to stiffen up at the higher tiers like for example Legends do to weed out the abysmal performance players that will run out of credits eventually by being poor performers.
TL;DR: it’s a bit overturned IMO and are at the cost of those who are not among the better/ best performers in the game.
As an example: on the old economy and me being a fairly average player I made around 100k in a E1 TT w/o boosters and 250-300k avrg in a E2 premium. With the old economy it took me less time than it does now to grind the credits (consumables and equipment costs are the same) now.
Now I’m able to get the EXP faster and while having lower cost I still being stuck in a grind for credits because to not being at a massive disadvantage with a 6skill crew in a standard consumable "eco" tank w/o full equipment, my credit earning is reduced more than the proposed % by WG.
The Solution could be, that the standard ammo would cost less and the equipment prices would also be lowered at lower tiers and getting progressively more expensive.
(A system that works fine at Ships/ Legends, where the Service cost, ammo cost, equipment is starting low and be increased throughout the tiers).
You can now advance to mid tier easier and be able to research more tank lines to get to know the tanks better which (for a semi decent player) would be helpful and beneficial to get the knowledge playing different tanks as well as playing against.
What do you think about selling all your tech tree Era 1 tanks at a premium price now, then buying them back when prices come down in February? Eclipse talked about that in one of his videos.
I’ve not done the maths on it but from what I’ve heard you’ll make a loss.
That was hilarious 😂
They could have seperate the two mods, then it would not be a problem anyway.
Nice driving 😂
This is hilarious 😂 I love it! They have pretty much made grinding CW irrelevant to me. Premium tanks are just better lol I don't care about the coin, really.
I don't understand how increasing ww2 is a bad thing. I don't have a silver problem but I don't enjoy losing silver in ww2 grinding tech tree tanks . Have to win or be in top 3 to gain silver in matches. All that's going to happen is hurt the game by bringing less experience players to cw . More noobs YOLOing causing half the team to get destroyed in the first bit of the game or like iv seen the last people left alive have next to no damage assistance or blocking points I believe it will just kill the game. Wargaming has already broke the game by adding the premium tanks that cost an arm and leg that are op compared to tech tree tanks both in cw and ww2. Wargaming doesn't want to fix or help the game its obvious to them is all about $ look at the op tanks that keep coming or the newer war chest that cost 1000 gold and have worse odds and benefits than the old style the use to be I'd cards. Or trying to get someone to purchase equipment for gold in post game rewards I think its a joke the direction that the game is going . I believe most that play can agree that Wargaming doesn't car about what the community wants
I can go on and on but I believe that the game could end as we know it this year, then they release the same game with better graphics that will have issues. Plus everybody has to start from the beginning again and everything in game will be released gradually overtime and will have to be purchased and acquired all over again. That's what I predict.
Ps love the videos and content keep it coming 👌 👍👍
@@ryanbarton6739 I think if they killed off WoT in favour of WoT 2.0 or project CW like is being released on pc soon a huge amount of vets would just move to War Thunder or possably even Armoured Warfare as really the only reason to stay for many is the time/money invested so far. I know thats where I would go and just outta spite and salt i would never play another WG product again.
WG messed up when it started bringing "clown tanks" into the game. Flag tanks like the freedom were introduced and that was ok, everyone likes to be proud and other nations wanted flag tanks. That was ok. Then we got stupid crayon type drawings on tanks like the ripper, that was t5 and just ignored as its pants. Free tier3 tanks with fairy lights on at xmas like blitzen was dodgey but hey its xmas and its op so better than a jumper... Now we have tanks with massive spiders on the turret and soviet heavys with 2 main guns for some reason. Somewhere they lost the plot, by trying to be cool and hip and giving the youth what they want they turned into the creepy guy who you know did too much acid at some point in the past.
I can see them wanting to reset everything but they'd just mess it up again.
@@muttznutts7465 yup
We lose out on silver from cw, but at the same time no more reasons to play cw👍
Happy days
And BTW, still loose silver in WW2. 🎉
Oooh look who's lurking in the background. Hello mate xx
I don't remember anyone complaining about earing too much silver.
Health of the game? Then why this health of the game when there are many health of the game issues?
Era 3 is a health issue, it's more like Tier 3 on steroids driving and shooting in one big, massive pack of tanks.
Then you have the power creep on the new premium tanks coming out destroying the grinding tech tanks, what's that about. The health of the game is as always, the profit that war gaming generates, simple as that. It's a business and I am alright with it. I mean what other product do you purchase because you like what you see and what the product does best. Then in a few months later the seller changes the specs on you without giving you a discount of what you purchased earlier. That's a good business model and very healthy.
The change of the silver making doesn't bother me because I have most of the tanks I wanted to grind. Really the output of new premium tanks may cost or may be free will mainly give you a good game and very competitive to the tech line. It's just up to what the person wants to get out of the game and stop looking at the good ole old days of wots it's not the same. Move on or move away.
the problem of the move on or move away attitude is people will leave and very few will return. If you don't replace those who leave with new players who are willing to grind or buy multiple tanks each at the same price you can get another full game for then the game will die and servers get turned off.
What is the name of the song
Dismal Light by Sinyells
No i mean the funny one
@@rafat922711 Spring Time Family Band and Rodeo Show by The Green Orbs
good way to make people want premium!$$$$$