The Lockwood MK2 has access to the CS15 Scarlet Cylindrical Laser because it's a marksman rifle, which means it's still possible to reduce the Wardens' standing hipfire spread to zero. Not exactly ideal, but still fun for "pre-aiming" corners or if you're able to pause for a bit before firing at longer ranges. It also works on the slugs, turning the Wardens into akimbo "marksman rifles." With the laser and slugs, the Wardens no longer need a choke for minimizing standing hipfire spread, so the SA Schweigen DX suppressor can be added to boost the slug velocity without much of a downside. Getting a "OHK" on somebody out past 50m with them is hilarious, but without magnification and having to stand still before firing makes this setup a fun party trick instead of practical. Watching people pick up the CS15 laser+slug Wardens and try to use them without realizing what they're dealing with is also hilarious.
i tried to use the scarlet laser for the longbow with jak tyrant and having to stand still was too punishing especially when you get hit and flinch. still fun beaming fools but you'll never be top of the scoreboard
A shotgun not being able to perform past 15m?! Impossible, if it can perform on Shipment, clearly I should be concerned about them on Wasteland, High-rise, and literally everything.
@@BetaBreaking and ya know what's crazy about that? SMGs, ARs, LMGs, and even some snipers/marksman rifles were able to complete if played right and with a team who wasn't braindead. Only thing that struggled was melee weapons because they were kinda not great in MW2.
Haymaker AMP is infinitely the most cancerous shit useable and no pump shotgun even comes close. I’d rather someone be running the wardens or even shotgun and riot shield but if it’s riot shield and haymaker absolute ass
What pisses me off most about these nurfs is that they don't even tell people. Plenty of times I unlock a weapon and use it and think it's amazing set up classes for it , come back to the game and feel like something's off. Sometimes I know it is right away but other weapons I don't until weeks later I find out why I've been unable to kill anybody with a God damn thing. I wonder how many weapons I liked originally and made a class with and now they suck but I just keep using them thinking they're still as good as they were back then. This buffing and patching s*** was a good idea at first but now it's just gotten out of hand. They do it so often that it almost doesn't even matter what you do one weapon you like this week will be garbage next week in a weapon you didn't care for last week will be good this week. They are there basically just trading all the stats around between weapons. I'm getting really sick of it either bring the weapon out balanced or don't change it once you bring it out . I'm tired of every time I play this game having to go back and research all the patches for every weapon in my classes because something feels off about them. Attachments on my gun that were previously good now are garbage it's f****** ridiculous to be Frank.
I was having a lot of fun using these in their previous state. They may have been a little excessive but the game was actually fun to play for once. Taking away the fun factor is pretty much in line with their doctrine of taking away something unique in the name of balance. Who cares if the player base is having fun. The developers don't want us to have fun they want to have balance.
Everytime i want to play something you recommend they already get nerfed before i have the attachments and max level or getting the jak attachment itself takes to long
You don't deserve to use them if you only want to use them when they are broken and unbalanced. I'm still frying with them, you just don't want to put in the effort.
@@FunnySansMan and a 3-4 hit kill at close range, combined with a slow fire rate isn't insane? It's insanely bad. No one is gonna use it anymore so congrats to SHG, I guess.
@@LordAngelus Brodie if you were getting 3-4 hit kills pre-patch with these things you should just quit the game 😂 if you’re talking about postpatch, then you’re still wrong because they’re still a oneshot within like 15 meters, you just ain’t gonna be able to use it like a sniper. Trust me, I know from experience cause I used the hell outta these things, so if you sucked with them, that’s on you.
They completely nutter these AMPs there's just a very few that are even fun to use. Personally I would just like a consistent slugged pump shotgun. Now we just get MCW, MORS, JAKBP50 lobbies.
Like,why bother to do the weekly challenges if at the end of it all you're not able to have a little better than average weapons? If you take the time to do them you should be rewarded. For those who don't... then they don't. Just because they say Jak this and a Jak that kind of weapon? Between all the nerfs and cheaters... I'm done with it all.
The Scarlet Laser which reduces minimum spread to near zero, but you need to stand still for like a second or tap your movement option to retain the smallest spread possible. The Crown Breaker Choke, in combination, reduces the spread to zero.
@@CalebMay-bf1ci Yes it does. "Scarlet Laser". Most people don't use it bc it gives you a massive moving hipfire when you move, close to sniper rifles. But when you stand still for a second, it reduces spread to near zero. If you wanted, you could use it like a hardscoping sniper.
@@nicholasborrelli7544 This. About half the sniper rifles users stay still to take their shot. I just stop behind cover and tap my A & D keys to peek if and when I use it.
@@That_Guy_Nick10 m isn't far genius. Snipers are better than shorttys in most medium range situations. Especially on shotguns that require a pump or lever you need the one shot potential.
@@swiftblaqness because shotguns are purely made for point blank situations,(inside houses, ally ways, etc…) then you have smgs for the next damage range beyond shotguns. Having shotguns one shot in an any smg damage range would be annoying and just make smgs completely useless in the first place. Just my opinion though
@@That_Guy_Nick actually they are made for a close - medium situations. That's the problem with people is they think you're supposed to only get a one shot if you're right up in someone's face how does that make sense ? then a knife out classes me or a person with a high rate of fire SMG. SMGs and shotguns operate in the same area of effectiveness numbnuts. Video games have you thinking a shotgun is made for 10 ft away LoL and your logic makes zero sense when you factor in 90% of the snipers in this game, most of which you can put short-range sights on or red dots and build the weapon for speed to the point where I completely out class is a shotgun at closes and medium range
@@That_Guy_Nick no shotguns are supposed to be for close to medium range. The same range as SMGs, video games having people think shotguns or pointless outside of 10 ft lmfao. Yeah shotguns are supposed to be good that's why people use them. That's the problem with these video games in the first place. Ars are medium too long, snipers and light machine gun should stick strictly be long. You're own logic completely goes out of the window when you consider most of the snipers in this game can have low magnification zoom scopes, or a Red Dot or even no scope. Plus also be built for speed, thoroughly making them more effective and close to medium range than a shotgun. Modern warfare 2 had some of the best shotguns of all time and still the AR SMG and snipers outclassed them. Having a weapon that has a limit on range in itself is a huge negative, when a person with a shotgun see someone outside of their range they literally have to run away or just accept their fate. And have to play strategically to where they stick to areas where their weapon is good. People act as if it just all happens by chance
I thought Call of duty was supposed to be fun. I thought guns were supposed to be fun to use. Everybody wants to play like as if it’s an actual serious endeavor, and nursing everything that’s fun ruins this game. Every time this happens, I stop playing. I loved playing the game before this patch. I will not be playing it again now.
I missed out pre-Nerf jak warden, but was able to cook a sniper. It’s a consistent 2-3 shot (1 shot per gun). Scarlet makes it more consistent 2 shot but you have play stop n go n corners a lot more like it’s CSGO. Thx for the help ace. I finally made a good build.😊
2:12 Bro, WHAT DO YOU MEAN. In the crowd I run with... They go prone _all_ the time, even to get point blank shots :') Added Context: Snipers, ARs, Marksman Rifles, Battle Rifles, LMGs, RPGs, MMGs, HMMGGs, *_and_* knives.
this was a good balance change , as much as i love the duelies. going up agaisnt it while getting sniped from narnia isn’t fun . glad to see them make long range fights less optimal in this patch
people be like ''it was fun while it lasted'' no you dumbas* the spread was horrible it was like using slugs without slugs i want to hit my target from close because its a SHOTGUN a CLOSE RANGE weapon
I hope they do. It makes no fucking sense for the best gun in MW3 to be an MW2 gun, especially after they made it so every other MW2 gun is completely and totally unusable against any MW3 gun. Stop supporting developers who have no fucking idea how to develop a game. Why do you continue to do this Ace?
Cod sucks because they over nerf everything. OG MW2 was the best because they allowed so much OP shit that you never felt stuck using one class. I'm done with modern duty. Game is complete ass now and skill based match making makes everything too sweaty to be fun
I think its a good change. Majority of the games I've played had people using this aftermarket part and it was ridiculous because of how tight the spread was because it was like a slug without the slug rounds and because of that the range potential was too strong. So with the nerfs it keeps it in place. It still is strong, just cant stretch the ridiculous range with it
So yesterday me and my friends played for the first time in a while, we unlocked these shottys and didn't know they got nerfed until I saw this video today. They're still really good
i dont even know what there were thinking with the weapon. It was fun not gonna lie, because everytime someone the enemie pulled the weapon i had an excuise to use it too. Then the whole lobby starts with the weapon....
Its so nice not playing this game. If you look at all your videos from years past its like the same BS every year. Fixed, buffed, is it worth it blah blah lol ggs
This gun wasn't nerfed to the point of significance. They would impact their sales if they do. The Bal 27, which didn't need one, was destroyed though as usual. This game caters to bad players and kids and it's so sad
the models repeated history, and managed to technically be worse than the original by having a kill range of 29 meters opposed to 20. i will say however they overnerfed the hipfire. they could've harmed it less while toning down the kill range
This is why im not playing the game anymore, im so tired of this constant nerfing and buffing they're doing every single week almost, they're going too far releasing broken weapons or making dumb balancing for them instantly change everything again.
I just wish we increased the sprint to fire on shotguns overall. Shotguns are so weak despite their overall limitations. When compareed to snipers the other one shot kill weapon they actually feel a los more incosistent even at vlose range that snipers. I would just like them to balance the shotgun as a more close quarters running ans gunning weapons.
But if we do that, how are snipers supposed to have fun in cqc and SMGs allowed to stay dominant? Clearly we have to appease them and the shotgun is just meant to be a primary melee weapon.
@@ohnobro3770 Or, and hear me out, you can get good and not corner camp/rush the guy with a strong rush weapon. Similar to I see a sniper glint down a lane and I don't have that kinda range, I back off and find another route to get his ass. Simple.
You absolutely right. In mw2 i was using shooties n all the other weapons as well, having fun, but now they nerfed them till the ground. Wont even bother using it to challenge against an smg player with way better sprintout time. Would be nice to give ppl the variation of weapons with competitive stats, like the marksmans back in mw2, pistols even the launchers. Now they force us to use only machine guns. U choose any other 'fun gun' these sweaty lobbies you not stand a chance. I do enjoy mw3 dont get me wrong, but it could add some color to the game. ✌
Of course I didn't play for 4 weeks when I get back I'm ecstatic to see the models were brought back just in time to unlock them and see that they are garbage.
They may have been Op with one particular setup and no versatility like who cares. You only had like three attachments as an option and you had to set them up in a specific way for it to even be good. As your video pointed out most of the attachments made them worse lmfao
I dont have them and been gettin smashed by them why do they nerf everything i dont mind at all let people have fun for christs sake its ridiculous crybabys
It was fun while it lasted. I personally haven't had a problem with them in my games. Also having the spread that thight required some level of aiming. However it's true that the range was way off. I haven't tried them yet after nerf but from what I see they now are just right.
If you use the laser that has 100% while not moving you can make them feel like before the patch. i found a fun way to run these if you slide cancel (slide then press jump, and let go of the stick) you will have 100% accuracy again. I call it the CSGO laser. Been nasty in search turn a corner sliding cancel let go of the left stick and shoot it i will be 100% again and is very viable to use
cs15 scarlet! Try it out Slide then press a while letting go of the stick you'll still have some forward momentum to turn a corner and you'll be 100% again its so fun
the damage is fine now, but that 35ms sprint to fire is still too fast. thats faster than most pistols and almost 5 times faster than other one shot shotguns
If you're even half decent at the game they're still insanely good!!!!!.... Anyone crying about this Nerf is definitely trash at the game and can only play woth insanley broken weapons bahahaha🤣👍💯
The Call of Duty snowflakes did it again. The funniest thing is that those same ppl crying and demanding everything gets nerfed are the same ones who keep wanting the old titles to be remastered lmao. The "everything needs to be nerfed" mentality goes for REAL COMP FPS. What made CoD great during the old days was that EVERYTHING was broken.
We need a middle ground, these kinds of needs are what takes the fun away from most “OP” guns. Instead of increasing the spread it would have been better if they increased the RoF and sprint to fire, in this way the gun really rewards good aim and reaction time, and if you miss you’re pretty much dead like any other shotgun. The post patch version of this gun just feels very inconsistent and at this point it’s just better to quickscope with snipers or use a regular smg / ar
The Lockwood MK2 has access to the CS15 Scarlet Cylindrical Laser because it's a marksman rifle, which means it's still possible to reduce the Wardens' standing hipfire spread to zero. Not exactly ideal, but still fun for "pre-aiming" corners or if you're able to pause for a bit before firing at longer ranges.
It also works on the slugs, turning the Wardens into akimbo "marksman rifles." With the laser and slugs, the Wardens no longer need a choke for minimizing standing hipfire spread, so the SA Schweigen DX suppressor can be added to boost the slug velocity without much of a downside. Getting a "OHK" on somebody out past 50m with them is hilarious, but without magnification and having to stand still before firing makes this setup a fun party trick instead of practical.
Watching people pick up the CS15 laser+slug Wardens and try to use them without realizing what they're dealing with is also hilarious.
Good setup
Should also put on the sniper scope for good luck
i tried to use the scarlet laser for the longbow with jak tyrant and having to stand still was too punishing especially when you get hit and flinch. still fun beaming fools but you'll never be top of the scoreboard
@@cheng2006 Don't think this laser was ever made available for snipers. Maybe you're talking about another weapon like a marksman rifle.
@@Kuriketto oops you're right, it was supposed to be the bas b with the outlaw kit.
What a great, well informed comment. Kudos to you Kuriketto
These really weren't that strong when you compare them to the longbow, but CoD players have an aneurysm whenever shotguns are even remotely viable.
Imagine trying something bigger than Shipment, that would be awful
A shotgun not being able to perform past 15m?! Impossible, if it can perform on Shipment, clearly I should be concerned about them on Wasteland, High-rise, and literally everything.
@@Razgriz_Ace18Man i do miss MW2 Shipment. I loved mapping people across the map with my Lockwood 600
@@BetaBreaking and ya know what's crazy about that? SMGs, ARs, LMGs, and even some snipers/marksman rifles were able to complete if played right and with a team who wasn't braindead. Only thing that struggled was melee weapons because they were kinda not great in MW2.
Haymaker AMP is infinitely the most cancerous shit useable and no pump shotgun even comes close. I’d rather someone be running the wardens or even shotgun and riot shield but if it’s riot shield and haymaker absolute ass
What pisses me off most about these nurfs is that they don't even tell people. Plenty of times I unlock a weapon and use it and think it's amazing set up classes for it , come back to the game and feel like something's off. Sometimes I know it is right away but other weapons I don't until weeks later I find out why I've been unable to kill anybody with a God damn thing. I wonder how many weapons I liked originally and made a class with and now they suck but I just keep using them thinking they're still as good as they were back then. This buffing and patching s*** was a good idea at first but now it's just gotten out of hand. They do it so often that it almost doesn't even matter what you do one weapon you like this week will be garbage next week in a weapon you didn't care for last week will be good this week. They are there basically just trading all the stats around between weapons. I'm getting really sick of it either bring the weapon out balanced or don't change it once you bring it out . I'm tired of every time I play this game having to go back and research all the patches for every weapon in my classes because something feels off about them. Attachments on my gun that were previously good now are garbage it's f****** ridiculous to be Frank.
I was having a lot of fun using these in their previous state. They may have been a little excessive but the game was actually fun to play for once. Taking away the fun factor is pretty much in line with their doctrine of taking away something unique in the name of balance. Who cares if the player base is having fun. The developers don't want us to have fun they want to have balance.
with slugs you can have 0° before patch, now its something like 1°
It was fun while it lasted... even though I was only able to experience them for a day and a half lol
Until now I'm trying the shotgun hehe, it's fun, but after the nerf I don't know what attachments to use, which ones do you recommend? 😅
LETS GOOOO there’s no reason why you should be able to get six pellets in the same spot from that far, shotgun😄 not sniper😕
Everytime i want to play something you recommend they already get nerfed before i have the attachments and max level or getting the jak attachment itself takes to long
Just tried these after the nerf and they are not worth using at all now. Thanks Sledgehammer.
Ace the goat fr
All you have to do is crouch before you shoot and the crosshairs get small. Welcome
I was having fun on cod for the first time since middle school...... safe to say my time on this game is over.
See you tomorrow 😊
still good just not broken anymore
These aftermarket weekly parts seem dumb to go after , there good for 2 days then get nerfed into the ground everytime
If this is into the ground then you shouldn’t be using them anyway lol
I don't even bother unlocking them until the next season if the challenges are too tedious.
You don't deserve to use them if you only want to use them when they are broken and unbalanced. I'm still frying with them, you just don't want to put in the effort.
That's the fun.
Idk the BP50 one still seems pretty solid.
It was fun while it lasted 😂. These things were soooo broken but also super fun
yeah and now it sucks.
@@LordAngelusNah, it just ain’t a sniper anymore, being able to "one shot" somebody at 30 meters with shotguns is insane
@@FunnySansMan and a 3-4 hit kill at close range, combined with a slow fire rate isn't insane? It's insanely bad. No one is gonna use it anymore so congrats to SHG, I guess.
@@LordAngelus Brodie if you were getting 3-4 hit kills pre-patch with these things you should just quit the game 😂 if you’re talking about postpatch, then you’re still wrong because they’re still a oneshot within like 15 meters, you just ain’t gonna be able to use it like a sniper. Trust me, I know from experience cause I used the hell outta these things, so if you sucked with them, that’s on you.
@@LordAngelus ngl you just suck
8:28 I rock the big 8x Heatsource thermal optics on these just for funsies
They completely nutter these AMPs there's just a very few that are even fun to use. Personally I would just like a consistent slugged pump shotgun. Now we just get MCW, MORS, JAKBP50 lobbies.
Unlucky
Better nerf the BP50 kit into ground
Ffs, so boring, remember when COD was fun? Can we not just buff everything? Like the ttk in this game is wonky, and tbh all the nerfs are tedious
Like,why bother to do the weekly challenges if at the end of it all you're not able to have a little better than average weapons? If you take the time to do them you should be rewarded. For those who don't... then they don't. Just because they say Jak this and a Jak that kind of weapon? Between all the nerfs and cheaters...
I'm done with it all.
The Scarlet Laser which reduces minimum spread to near zero, but you need to stand still for like a second or tap your movement option to retain the smallest spread possible. The Crown Breaker Choke, in combination, reduces the spread to zero.
Not anymore
@@CalebMay-bf1ciNo this still works...but people don't play the game standing still the entire time...
@@CalebMay-bf1ci Yes it does. "Scarlet Laser". Most people don't use it bc it gives you a massive moving hipfire when you move, close to sniper rifles. But when you stand still for a second, it reduces spread to near zero. If you wanted, you could use it like a hardscoping sniper.
@@nicholasborrelli7544 This. About half the sniper rifles users stay still to take their shot. I just stop behind cover and tap my A & D keys to peek if and when I use it.
THANK YOU!!! I BASICALLY REVERTED THE PATCH... BUT DON'T ANYBODY ELSE OR THAT'LL GET NERFED TOO. 😭
its kinda crazy that there are several one shot guns with insane range, but not one shotgun has a one shot past 10m. fuckin ridiculous.
Cuz it's a shotgun not a sniper
@@That_Guy_Nick10 m isn't far genius. Snipers are better than shorttys in most medium range situations. Especially on shotguns that require a pump or lever you need the one shot potential.
@@swiftblaqness because shotguns are purely made for point blank situations,(inside houses, ally ways, etc…) then you have smgs for the next damage range beyond shotguns. Having shotguns one shot in an any smg damage range would be annoying and just make smgs completely useless in the first place. Just my opinion though
@@That_Guy_Nick actually they are made for a close - medium situations. That's the problem with people is they think you're supposed to only get a one shot if you're right up in someone's face how does that make sense ? then a knife out classes me or a person with a high rate of fire SMG. SMGs and shotguns operate in the same area of effectiveness numbnuts. Video games have you thinking a shotgun is made for 10 ft away LoL and your logic makes zero sense when you factor in 90% of the snipers in this game, most of which you can put short-range sights on or red dots and build the weapon for speed to the point where I completely out class is a shotgun at closes and medium range
@@That_Guy_Nick no shotguns are supposed to be for close to medium range. The same range as SMGs, video games having people think shotguns or pointless outside of 10 ft lmfao. Yeah shotguns are supposed to be good that's why people use them. That's the problem with these video games in the first place. Ars are medium too long, snipers and light machine gun should stick strictly be long. You're own logic completely goes out of the window when you consider most of the snipers in this game can have low magnification zoom scopes, or a Red Dot or even no scope. Plus also be built for speed, thoroughly making them more effective and close to medium range than a shotgun. Modern warfare 2 had some of the best shotguns of all time and still the AR SMG and snipers outclassed them. Having a weapon that has a limit on range in itself is a huge negative, when a person with a shotgun see someone outside of their range they literally have to run away or just accept their fate. And have to play strategically to where they stick to areas where their weapon is good. People act as if it just all happens by chance
All the shotguns in the game need to be buffed. The MWII shotguns are all useless.
I thought Call of duty was supposed to be fun. I thought guns were supposed to be fun to use. Everybody wants to play like as if it’s an actual serious endeavor, and nursing everything that’s fun ruins this game. Every time this happens, I stop playing. I loved playing the game before this patch. I will not be playing it again now.
3:49😂😂😂😂 them team mates there... also, im glad they nerfered these. They were fun while it lasted👍🏽
These things were too fun it actually hurts that they got nerfed. Now there just basic shotguns with a cool reload.
Sprintout time is still crazy compared to other shotguns, really frustrating to play against
I missed out pre-Nerf jak warden, but was able to cook a sniper. It’s a consistent 2-3 shot (1 shot per gun). Scarlet makes it more consistent 2 shot but you have play stop n go n corners a lot more like it’s CSGO. Thx for the help ace. I finally made a good build.😊
These seem actually nicely balanced. No more one shoting from halfway across the map like. They suck because they aren’t insanely op? That’s dumb
Can you use just one at a time? I didn’t even try to unlock them. Been too busy and figured it’d get nerfed anyway after a couple matches against it.
Nah they’re akimbo only, and they’re still the best shotgun by far since you can reliably one shot to about 15 meters if you shoot both at once
You can but it's generally not the best method unless you're in very close quarters against multiple enemies.
@@TheXclusiveAce now we need an aftermarket part for the aftermarket part that’s let’s you brace them and unload them almost full auto
You can fire one at a time. But you can't just use one without the conversion kit. Turns it back into a marksman rifle.
3:47 HAHA POOR GUY!!!
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Tbh, most games I played with the launch of this aftermarket part, I have not seen it often.. I guess now no one will be using it already..
This change made it an actual shotgun instead of an akimbo sniper.
2:12 Bro, WHAT DO YOU MEAN. In the crowd I run with... They go prone _all_ the time, even to get point blank shots :')
Added Context: Snipers, ARs, Marksman Rifles, Battle Rifles, LMGs, RPGs, MMGs, HMMGGs, *_and_* knives.
I just stop moving and crouch before every shot. Still op
this was a good balance change , as much as i love the duelies. going up agaisnt it while getting sniped from narnia isn’t fun . glad to see them make long range fights less optimal in this patch
I played with them yesterday when they got nerfed and they were still playing great. Its a nerd but I think they will do find even with less range
No. Nerf bad. Change them back to the way they were but make em automatic.
i would like to see a shotguns comparation to see what shotgun is the best
people be like ''it was fun while it lasted''
no you dumbas* the spread was horrible it was like using slugs without slugs
i want to hit my target from close because its a SHOTGUN a CLOSE RANGE weapon
"Do the JAK Wardens Suck After the Nerfs?".... They sucked before the nerf. Overpowered and sucked to play against.
Before watching the video. No they’re still super fun and slightly overpowered.
After watching! Basically followed the 1887 nerf. Still fun
I hope they do. It makes no fucking sense for the best gun in MW3 to be an MW2 gun, especially after they made it so every other MW2 gun is completely and totally unusable against any MW3 gun. Stop supporting developers who have no fucking idea how to develop a game. Why do you continue to do this Ace?
Cod sucks because they over nerf everything. OG MW2 was the best because they allowed so much OP shit that you never felt stuck using one class. I'm done with modern duty. Game is complete ass now and skill based match making makes everything too sweaty to be fun
Per your perk rebalance video, the assault gloves would also tighten hipfire spread.
I didn't use these. But just like the pre-patch KV Broadside, these had to get nerfed. I miss how broken that used to be sometimes.
I think its a good change. Majority of the games I've played had people using this aftermarket part and it was ridiculous because of how tight the spread was because it was like a slug without the slug rounds and because of that the range potential was too strong. So with the nerfs it keeps it in place. It still is strong, just cant stretch the ridiculous range with it
This was exactly what i wanted, not gonna lie i am gonna miss the crazy long shots i used to get but this is perfect.
Yea the gun was crazy someone dropped 200+ kills with this in war mode can’t compete against it pre patch
Honestly it still feels really good after the nerfs, no reason to complain
@@Ryze2803 damn so am not gonna stop seeing them in games great
@@ehigieEseosa yep! You cant get rid of us
So yesterday me and my friends played for the first time in a while, we unlocked these shottys and didn't know they got nerfed until I saw this video today. They're still really good
Great video, But What are the best build now?
i dont even know what there were thinking with the weapon. It was fun not gonna lie, because everytime someone the enemie pulled the weapon i had an excuise to use it too. Then the whole lobby starts with the weapon....
Me when a shrot ranged weapon is only good for short range
Its so nice not playing this game. If you look at all your videos from years past its like the same BS every year. Fixed, buffed, is it worth it blah blah lol ggs
This gun wasn't nerfed to the point of significance. They would impact their sales if they do. The Bal 27, which didn't need one, was destroyed though as usual. This game caters to bad players and kids and it's so sad
the models repeated history, and managed to technically be worse than the original by having a kill range of 29 meters opposed to 20. i will say however they overnerfed the hipfire. they could've harmed it less while toning down the kill range
This is why im not playing the game anymore, im so tired of this constant nerfing and buffing they're doing every single week almost, they're going too far releasing broken weapons or making dumb balancing for them instantly change everything again.
I just wish we increased the sprint to fire on shotguns overall. Shotguns are so weak despite their overall limitations. When compareed to snipers the other one shot kill weapon they actually feel a los more incosistent even at vlose range that snipers. I would just like them to balance the shotgun as a more close quarters running ans gunning weapons.
But if we do that, how are snipers supposed to have fun in cqc and SMGs allowed to stay dominant? Clearly we have to appease them and the shotgun is just meant to be a primary melee weapon.
@@Razgriz_Ace18if most of the playerbase doesn’t like shotguns then yeah. Go make and play a shotgun fps lol
@@ohnobro3770 Or, and hear me out, you can get good and not corner camp/rush the guy with a strong rush weapon. Similar to I see a sniper glint down a lane and I don't have that kinda range, I back off and find another route to get his ass. Simple.
You absolutely right. In mw2 i was using shooties n all the other weapons as well, having fun, but now they nerfed them till the ground. Wont even bother using it to challenge against an smg player with way better sprintout time. Would be nice to give ppl the variation of weapons with competitive stats, like the marksmans back in mw2, pistols even the launchers. Now they force us to use only machine guns. U choose any other 'fun gun' these sweaty lobbies you not stand a chance. I do enjoy mw3 dont get me wrong, but it could add some color to the game. ✌
@@Razgriz_Ace18 I’ll never have to cause these shotguns are ass 🤣
Of course I didn't play for 4 weeks when I get back I'm ecstatic to see the models were brought back just in time to unlock them and see that they are garbage.
I expected an Over Nerf for sure. I wish they reward for high precision. Now bot fun at all. I can use a different shotgun and do better. No more fun.
They may have been Op with one particular setup and no versatility like who cares. You only had like three attachments as an option and you had to set them up in a specific way for it to even be good. As your video pointed out most of the attachments made them worse lmfao
So a weapon that was never good was still nerfed, Anyway there will still be kids that complain about Tonfa in wz
to me the only problem is the sprint out time, the spread was fine
I haven’t even been playing been busy and it just sucks this got nerfed before I could play with them
Ppl were OD abusing these . STUN FLASH SLIDE SHOTGUNS 😂
I think the best thing, and still overpowered thing about this gun is the really fast sprint to fire time. It's way to fast
There's a laser that if you're crouched and still will still condense the pellets into almost a slug so it's like playing CS GO 😂
I dont have them and been gettin smashed by them why do they nerf everything i dont mind at all let people have fun for christs sake its ridiculous crybabys
Time is a flat circle.
Keep this the way it is right now, SHG. One of the most fun gun to play with atm along with Akimbo Renetti for me.
Well i had some interest in these and was going to return back to the game. But if your not killing from 2 blocks away. Then there not the models lol
Why do they even bother with the ammo types with the shotguns if there isn't any use case for them over the base ammo? So dumb. SMH.
slightly overnerfed. Also all the MW2 shotguns need a buff still to be competitive
KV shotgun JAK muzzle not working🥲🥲🥲
So tired of the weapon balance in cod. Honestly what is the point. Miss it when everything was broken.
Why keep adding stuff in the game that keeps getting nerfed a week later? Do the devs actually test anything before releasing it?
Just use the crown breaker choke and the cs15 scarlet cylindrical laser and you get the same hipfire reticle pre nerf
It was fun while it lasted. I personally haven't had a problem with them in my games. Also having the spread that thight required some level of aiming. However it's true that the range was way off. I haven't tried them yet after nerf but from what I see they now are just right.
It stinks I didn’t get try them before they were nerfed. That what i hate about weapons balancing
Not nerfed enough, imo.
Sprint-out time is still obscenely fast.
I was getting one tapped 50 meters away with these dumb ass shotguns. No skill needed.
Idk why people kept crying over "OP" weapons. Smh.
It was fun while it lasted. At least the slack-jawed crybabies can shut up now.
The JAK Revenger kit for the BP-50 is one of the few aftermarket parts that is still worth using i.m.o
Throw on the Chrios holo sight, your aiming walk speed increases alot seemingly due to a glitch.
That kit is unfair
I never liked them anyway And I dont think they where even overpowerd but thats just my opinion
Can they buff slugs? they sucks way too much in this game.
When I'm able to play and unlock it they nerf the kit.... man fuck outta here 😒
These were not even broken before, the Bryson took the same amount of shots to kill in Warzone & MP
Shotguns are so bad in this game, MW2 shotguns are even worse they are a joke.
Good. Game with sbmm cant have unbalanced guns
If you use the laser that has 100% while not moving you can make them feel like before the patch. i found a fun way to run these if you slide cancel (slide then press jump, and let go of the stick) you will have 100% accuracy again. I call it the CSGO laser. Been nasty in search turn a corner sliding cancel let go of the left stick and shoot it i will be 100% again and is very viable to use
cs15 scarlet! Try it out Slide then press a while letting go of the stick you'll still have some forward momentum to turn a corner and you'll be 100% again its so fun
man.. i was really enjoying this thig! so much fun
the damage is fine now, but that 35ms sprint to fire is still too fast. thats faster than most pistols and almost 5 times faster than other one shot shotguns
If you're even half decent at the game they're still insanely good!!!!!.... Anyone crying about this Nerf is definitely trash at the game and can only play woth insanley broken weapons bahahaha🤣👍💯
This is great news 😄 i hate this kit... Seriously op
Next stop nerf snipers lol
Ridiculous just like when they nerfed them in OG MW2 why can't they just let us have fun
They're just very inconsistent now
Very inconsistent!!
- I wonder if the Holger 26 is better then the LSW post patch ?
I mean the long shots will be missed dearly but I hate they nerf all the aftermarket parts.
The Call of Duty snowflakes did it again. The funniest thing is that those same ppl crying and demanding everything gets nerfed are the same ones who keep wanting the old titles to be remastered lmao. The "everything needs to be nerfed" mentality goes for REAL COMP FPS. What made CoD great during the old days was that EVERYTHING was broken.
We need a middle ground, these kinds of needs are what takes the fun away from most “OP” guns. Instead of increasing the spread it would have been better if they increased the RoF and sprint to fire, in this way the gun really rewards good aim and reaction time, and if you miss you’re pretty much dead like any other shotgun. The post patch version of this gun just feels very inconsistent and at this point it’s just better to quickscope with snipers or use a regular smg / ar
You know dang well they made them OP at launch on purposed 😅