Film Scanning with a Digital Camera
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2024
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Welcome to todays episode! We will dive into Camera Scanning! What is camera scanning? How Do you camera scan? What will I have for breakfast Tuesday the 22nd? Who knows that last questions... but the other two are easy as Pie to answer. So strap in and lets learn how to Camera Scan you film negatives!
Camera:
Sony A7siii
Scanning Lens:
Nikon 55mm Macro
My new Scanning Lens:
EF 100mm f/2.8 Macro USM
Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM Lens
Film Holder:
Negative Supply Basic 35mm
Essential Film Holder
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A bubble level on the camera will only tell you whether your camera is pointed at the center of the earth, which doesn't mean much unless your table is also perfectly level. To make the camera sensor plane parallel to the film plane, place a small mirror on the negative holder and adjust the camera mount until the reflection of the lens is in the center of the frame.
Solid advice!
i love that you and jason post at the same time 💜💜
I just love you… is that too much too soon????
@@BadFlashes hahahahhaha its never too soon, i love you too bro 🥰
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A great tip for the Essential film holder is too cut you film end diagonally, that way it'll slide in way easier.
Damn I wish I would’ve known that earlier! Thanks for the tip!
@@BadFlashes Duh...I used to do that back in the 1970's when I was developing my BW in a closet under the stairs. Sliding the film onto a 35mm roller in pitch darkness was a breeze. Maybe you should go back and read some old photography magazines.
It’s alright! Thank you so much. Appreciate the effort you put into your updates. Awesome job.
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The idea of drawing on a focusing guide on some old film is genuinely brilliant. I use an old V200 scanner with a piece of cardboard as a 120 guide that I stitch together in hugin, but I might give this a try out. Great video, as always.
Thanks! I think It’s those small little things that help the whole process :)
One other thing that may speed up the process is tethering your digital camera to your computer. That way it imports directly to Lightroom and you can sort them by roll as they come in. It also gives you a shutter button so can click through your computer.
Thats true! I've actually though of that as well but never set it up haha I should though!
You can read all the theory you like but seeing it all in practice is hard to beat! I really liked this video - so hopeful!
Awesome sauce! Im so glad it helps... I'm a visual learner as well... reading does nothing for me haha
Greetings Big Bad Daddy Flash! Glad you finally came out of the closet! I remember watching this one when it came out to learn about scanning. I've been employing your tips since and refining my process with my sony a7iii and the essential film holder. Now I just shared a youtube short showing off my process. Thank you for sharing this when you did to help me along my journey. Sorry for plugging my content on your comment thread, but us film dawgie upstarts gotta hustle my man. Hope you're having a blessed day, and happy snapping!
Congrats on the new office coming soon, which you're probably in already. Also, I didn't realize how minimal it was to scan film. I assumed it was much more than that and will probably attempt it myself as I havn't to have a macro lens and an R6 I can use, plus a ipad as of today. Now to get the rest and give it a shot! Great video as always
Awesome! thanks so much!
Yeah boom there you go! Not much more setup requited ... you have the building blocks!
That was incredibly helpful. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful! 🥳
I had so much fun watching this video .
Oh yaya!!!! I’m so glad :)
I’m warm and fuzzy now 🥰
Something I’ve read about the 120 essential film holder is that it casts shadows on the edges due to its design. Seems like the easy fix is to file the edges of the top opening into a slope (or chamfer).
I've had that issue before... but that was bc my copy stand was not level over the negative. But haven't had any issues in a dark space with a copy stand.... all in the setup
What is the plumbing do you use on your copy stand n equipment used to mount the digital camera...great video!!
Just to ease your pain... it’s alright, honey bear! Also, super helpful! Been trying to figure out if I should dish out for a new epson. More to think about now
Yeah... the scanning thing is so hard to know what path to take ... but personally I'm not looking back :) Good luck!
@@BadFlashes I have both. MY Epson is great for prints up as it excludes most light reflections (especially glossy prints) and distortion, whereas for film and slides, as you pointed out, my copy stand and macro is supper fast once it's set up! I was fortunate to pick up an German made, pro copy stand used on eBay from a university.
Nice that’s solid! A good copy stand is fire!
Great video! Thanks!
Have you noticed if the light temperature in the room effects your shot, or is the light from your light box enough to over power it?
The digital imaging only uses the transmitted light. If you have room light getting into the image, it is by light reflecting from the surface of the film, which is just going to appear as degrading flare. This one of many problems in using this digital photo process to convert film to digital.
@@randallstewart175 thank you
Tips on top of tips love it
Sir, you just have convinced me to start mirrorless scanning! Well Done Mate! Epic Video!
Thanks mate! You can use your new awesome camera for it 🥳🥰🤣
@@BadFlashes A7Siii doesnt have as much megapixels as an A7iii Bahahahaha!
Hahah ok that’s true …. Time to get another camera then!
From 1 Caleb to Another you're a Genius mate!
Awww yeah, Caleb’s unite! Thanks so much! I’m glad you enjoy ☺️
Interesting that for the EFH you found the 35mm frame less frustrating than the 120mm one. I am usually more annoyed trying to thread my 120 through (especially if they are strips and not a full roll) haha but yeah it does not quite get the orientation of 35 perfectly straight though I love how smooth it is once you get it rolling. Super flat too. ..... I am very amused to see I wasn't the only one who made a silly cardboard table for the EFH though mine was more cause the light I bought was slightly the wrong size. I should really dent in some feet holes like you did. Thanks for the suggestion on the focus guide.....should have thought of that.
You have unfortunately inspired me to look into getting a copy stand. I was using my tripod (reversed column) but it is a genuine pain to focus especially if your macro lens does not have much of a focus throw. I was trying to avoid copy stands cause they are so pricey for a tall dumb stick!! Alas. Great video as always!
My camera setup for dslr scanning if yer curious:
A73 with the Laowa 100mm f/2.8 (a very affordable extremely high quality modern macro lens I can recommend! except for that short focus throw)
Awesome. I’m glad you dig the video and found som inspiration! The film focusing strip helps so much!
And the copy stand really make life easy 100% -pro tip… look for old school enlargers that you can take the enlarging head off of … they can be much cheaper. 😉
I have a bunch of old negatives that my Dad wanted me to send to a lab to scan - but I may consider DSLR scanning; afterall, my Dad does have a Canon DSLR (which I have here with me at my Uni...)... All I'd need to do is get some materials together... This video, as well as Grainydays' latest video on scanning have inspired me! I'd imagine had I sent all these negatives to be scanned, it would have been so much more expensive! This'll be my summer project I guess!
Oh yeah... Get yourself setup and go to town! It will much faster and much easier in the long run 🥰
I use a regular 50mm lens with some extension lenses added. Should I be using a dedicated macro lens instead?
Macro lenses help with getting your negative as close to filling the frame as possible. But if it’s working so far… done let me tell you what’s up :)
Have you ever tried to do camera scanning with the emulsion side up (which is the same as flatbed scanners with the emulsion side towards the sensor)? The image needs to be flipped in post but seemingly gives better detail.
WELL TESTING HERE I COME!
@@BadFlashes Did you ever test it and do you have any thoughts on that yet?
I have!!!! That’s how I scan now but I’m not sure I see a difference. But to be fair I haven’t really gone super deep into pixel peeping.
Thanks for the video! Re 10:25: how does a 100mm give you more flexibility in composing?
For 35mm it’s actually not all that different… but it helps get more of the frame for 120 film
Nice! I use Essential Film Holder - and yeah, the wiggly side to side is no bueno, but not life threatening (gotta find a hack for that.) For easier loading, cut the leading edge of the strip on slight diagonal and bing bang boom...Bob's your uncle.
Boom I’ve never had Bob as an uncle. I’m excited. 🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳
Hey, very helpful video! I've scanned much of my negatives with basically a potato. I see you ate using the Nikkor 55mm ai-s, that is the same lens I'm planning to use. At what aperture is it at it's sharpest in your experience?
When I used it, it was at 8 or 11
j needed this video thanks lmao
HELLS YEAH!
When I am using macro tubes for scanning 35mm, I get not really sharp edges. Help?
That might just be a product of the tubes unfortunately. I’ve stopped using them … so you have to use yours?
WOW CALEB THIS WAS REALLY GOOD LOVE YOU
Omg. I’m soooo glad you liked 🍭🍭🍭
Miss yo face
I'm planning to buy that Nikon 55mm Macro soon and pair it with my A7iii (full frame). Do i just need to get an adapter to achieve the 1:1 magnification or would I need a get an extension tube ?
Extension tunes work. But if you’re going to buy a lens I would maybe go for newer macro optics And 100 mm
If you can swing it, but that 35 is good
Really good video thx 🙂
aw nice!!! Glad you like it :)
Very helpful
Glad you think so! 🥳
I just bought my V600, now everyone is telling me to buy a DSLR lmao I'm already shooting film, I can't go more broke 😂
I get that.. it makes sense. Honestly do what works for you... then just kick yourself later for not listening to me .... 🤣🤪JK
@@BadFlashes The V600 is the cheap solution with cheap results. If you want to you use a flatbed scanner, you should invest at least in a used V700.
Caleb for the 120 EFH cut your film strip ends at a diagonal and they feed in super smooth no need for a tool. And you set your camera to aperture priority, do you batch process each strip in Negative Lab Pro or do each image one at a time? I always keep the aperture and shutter fixed so the rebate is the same exposure that way I can batch process an entire roll in Negative Lab. I am just curious if you batch process like that and if you get color shifts since the rebate can be a different exposure.
I don’t batch process… but that’s just me. A few times I tried it I really didn’t like the results. But to be fair I don’t know if I was using the Epson at that point for the camera scan. But maybe I should try keeping it constant and batch converting … tests!!!!!
@@BadFlashes It really is to each their own, I have found with my BW it makes for quick work but color is such an art it goes both ways. Either spend more time converting in NLP or doing the same edits in Lightroom after the fact. Just wasnt sure if you batched with changing exposure. Dig the channel
Ahhhh thanks I’m glad you dig. 🙌🏼
And I totally say that 😜
How do you attach the camera to the copystand? Do you use a tripod head? Could you suggest me a good solid head? Thanks!
I use a pano tripod head. Basically just a mount with with an arca Swiss plate …. I don’t have it in front of me or I tell you the exact model.
@@BadFlashes Thanks for replying! So, if I understand correctly, you don't need to adjust the tilt angle... interesting, I should try it. I currently use a ball head but it is not so stable and frequently I lose the perfect alignment.
Caleb, do you have any problems with the light reflecting off the lens element onto the film causing glare on dense negatives with that 55mm f/3.5? I have the same lens, although I use an APS-C camera and dense negatives and dark slides cause glare.
Now I don’t think so? But I use a 100mm macro lens now
@@BadFlashesNice, I’m thought about upgrading to the 100mm but that costs money. All in all, my setup cost me £30 and I kind of want to keep it that way 😂 (already had a camera, the macro lens was my grandfathers, I already had a light, I 3D printed a film holder with my school’s 3D printers, I just needed a copy stand).
What is the name of the extension tubes for that lens?
They are just generic Amazon ones.
Seriously, could you show how the "inverting the curves" thing work?
I tried it with digitalized versions of film negatives (with the colours already inverted by the lab), but you don't get like a brownish base you see on most colour negative film strips themselves. Is that another correction you need to make while inverting the curves?
Oh man…. I was never good at inverting curves…. Like ever. I would be the worst to make a video on that topic. You do have to get rid of the color cast somehow but forget how too :/
@@BadFlashes A UA-cam peopleperson who doesn't dedicate their live to some random UA-cam commenter? The audacity!
But seriously, even though I would really like a video about the subject, I really never even thought of the idea. It gives me something to experiment with, since I got all of the essential except software like NegativeLabPro
Can you tell what extension macro ring do you use in this movie?
It’s just a Sony extension tube. Nothing g fancy
@@BadFlashes thanx :) And you use adapter I supposed? F mount to E
well I do it weird. F > EOS > E w/ E extension tubes… that’s just a byproduct of owning a canon camera years ago
thats the OG a7s right? do you find that 12MP is enough for you? it must be something in the air because im seeing all this info on scanning as soon as im thinking about upgrading my own setup...
oops commented from the wrong account 🙃
You are right it’s the OG a7s … but I actually don’t scan with it, I was just using it as a prop haha
I use the a7iii and it works great for 35mm
I would say my best investment into the system was the copy stand haha
I realize you were going fast to make the video but you can clearly see that either you've got a spot on your sensor, lens, or on the light box which is showing up on your images. I've had the same issue in some of my scans
Yeah, it was on the lens…. I fixed it for my actual scans… I was thinking about fixing it and post and decided naw lol
Thanks for the great video. What copy stand are you using?
I’m using an enlarger stand, some allow you remove the head and use it and thanks so much !!!!! :)
@@BadFlashes Thanks. Great idea. Shout out from OP, KS!
Oh yeah!!!! So good!
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Sooo good
I got the basic film holder from NS too but my colors never look right when converting in NLP. What temp would you suggest I use for the light? Currently using 5600k.
Well you would be white balancing the film border which would change the temp of the “light” anyways so it shouldn’t matter. Do you home develop?
@@BadFlashes yep but I've also tried it on a roll I had developed at a lab. Default scans come out a little too blue-ish green. The point of NLP is so I don't have to tweak it much and get as close to the film stock look. I suspect there is something with my scanning process.
What lens are you using?
Maybe there is a cast to it? What film are you using?
Also are you following the guide from NLP forums on how to correctly scan and convert?
it's an older video, I know, but I'm genuinely confused about the bubble level! That will only tell you that your camera is level but it wont tell you anything about whether the sensor plane is parallel to the negative plane unless you put the bubble level on your negative holder as well. Am I missing something here?
Yeah you’re not wrong either I’ve changed things.
Is this the V3 EFH? Or another version?
I bought it at the beginning of this year … so yes? 🤷🏼
Hey ...is that a 'Cool Cat' yellow cooler up on the shelf? Are/were you a cat sailor?
naw i aint that cool ... sorry lol
I'm looking to get macro lens for dslr scanning and want 1:1. Any lenses you recommend?
I got a sigma 70mm
@@BadFlashes oh how’s that been treating ya?
I can’t complain 🥰
Lot of people use it apparently
@@BadFlashes thanks mate. I’m making a custom set up. I’ll probably try the 70. If you ever come Lake Arrowhead sometime for a day or two let me know and I’ll show you around the area for photos
Which lens did you use? What’s best lens to use on Sony a7riv for scanning 35mm film?
This was a L 100mm macro lens from canon. I now use a different 100mm macro non L lens from then. Just as good in my book
@@BadFlashes please post a link of lens
I’ve updated the description with my latest lenses. No link, but the specific names
@@BadFlashes OK is the Sony 90mm macro lens good?
I can’t speak to that lens since I’ve never used it.… but overall 90mm would be a fine focal length for scanning. I would look up reviews on the optical quality of the lens before purchasing.
more useful vibes
Yay! So glad 😃
What copying stand are you using? It looks so sturdy!
It is and it’s an enlarger stand. :)
Durst 30 I think
Thank you for responding king! I didn't expect a 2 year old video to get an answer haha@@BadFlashes
@@BadFlashesCould you make a video on how to convert an enlarger to a copy stand in the future?
With that one the head just comes off haha every easy
@@BadFlashesThanks so much for answering my questions! I recently got a negative supply copy stand and I wanted to upgrade to a more sturdy stand and the comments were so helpful so thanks again honestly!!!
I 'm no photographer but I understand some film shooter shoots film because of the look that is very different from bayer filter look. So why then subjecting your film to the bayer filter interpolation instead of buying or using affordable full rgb color dedicated scanner.
The resolution in my opinion is far superior. I’ve used a flatbed scanner before and I don’t really appreciate the results.
Hey man to be honest I had not watched your video before I've already ordered the EFH and unfortunately I have to add to your review that while the product might be a brilliant tool, I do have some troubles with the support/shipment. To keep it short: Andrew Clifford made a mistake by shipping it to the wrong address and was not willing to correct that mistake. This might not be an issue for people within the UK but something to be aware of if you order from europe or even further away. I know you only review the products but I think it is helpful to have some insight on what happens after you placed your order and what support you can expect.
Sorry that happened, it’s always frustrating when things like that happens. I never had to reach out like that. Sorry it happened to you 😕
Hope it can be fixed in some way
Yo, didn't know about copy stands before (yeah sorz) was trying to scan my fresh developed film last night with tripod, that sucked (but the scan was amazing) (Btw i totally disagree about the knob not working on daylight develop tank, but hey, whatever X'D).
Yeah copy stands are a godsend.
Got my Epson V600 this morning, and then you and Jason drop these videos. I feel attacked.
Awww I mean… didn’t mean toooo
what about scanning with film camera
Oh you getting crazy now! Shoot 35mm with 120... Shoot 120 with 4x5 ... Shoot 4x5 with 8x10!!!!!!!!!!!
its alright
You and Jason are on the same "cycle".... you been hanging around a lot huh...
Always 😋
Man I watch your videos a lot ( love them btw) but all I can think about issss cleaning and arranging your closettt . At this point i am willing to pay you to let me do that😭😭
Hahaha well it would be hard to do now cuz I’m out of that closet hahaha
Been watching Grainydays... didn't realize you also have a channel. Subscribing here to see you in the bathing suit.
Hahaha well I’m glad you found your way to my channel…. And I’ll see if I can make it worth your time 🥰🥳🤩😆
You and Grainy Days post within hours of each other…on very similar topics. Almost like you planned it!
Weirdly enough... not planned this time hahaha
But still no Baxter! 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Sorry 😵💫
Congrats for coming out of the closet!
Aww thanks. You are the only one so far 🤣🥳☺️
If you're in a Speedo on that next video, I won't be watching.
But but but …. 😭
Really, same video topic as Jason posted at the same time...here we have Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum....both with no individual originality copying each other.
They were always my favorite... great sense of fashion.