I always file my regular chain with a flat raker file. You can precisely form your hook and it doesn’t matter if you drop your elbow the tooth remains perfect
Not really, it's for people that want a different configuration on their teeth, but don't know where to buy the correct file, and for people that don't know how to use the correct file for a square grind tooth. It's marketing by Stihl. If Stihl sold chisel bit, double chisel bit, or square files, people wouldn't know how to use them, , , most people, , , hcheh-hem , , ,don't even know how to use this one (see the video).
Does this chain "shave" well like square grind does? By that I mean cutting off a bar-thickness or less off of a previously cut face. Round filed chain typically struggles with this.
There is very little side movement of the tooth. I think the answer to your question is yes. I haven't tried bar width slices but I did several 1/2" pies that were very consistent width.
It looks very similar to the atop racing cut filing style that came out years ago, it was very good for boring cuts, there was no kickback, the nose of the bar could be plunged through and cut efficiently. Will this be available for smaller chains such as .325 or is it exclusive to 3/8?
The ATOP guide is a square ground sharpening device. Look at the HEXA design it's not square filed. The channel is not cut to the point or corner of the tooth. Everyone is writing and not looking at the actual design. Check out the HEXA update video I posted.
@@ForestApps I am not referring to the ATOP filing Jig. Initially, there was no jig but rather a goofy file used to achieve the exact style of a tooth that Stihl is now using the Hexa file to achieve. Using the flat face of the goofy file angled at 45 degrees gives you the same outcome. I appreciate your efforts in uploading these videos and I am not trying to sound critical but merely commenting on the similarities.
Hey Tim, this looks incredible ... I have a simington 451C and do square ground which this looks quite similar too. The big problem I have is when someone see 's me cut wood and go's "I've never seen a saw cut like that ! can you make me a chain ?" is that its a bit technical ..the files are expensive and every 3-4 manual sharpens the chain needs a touch up on my Simington. So my questions are ... where do you get the files and what machine grinder can you use to give it a touch up ?
Hi Tom, This is a new concept and will be sometime 2022 availability. They will be Stihl dealer supplied. I think it could be ground with a standard grinder set up with a head tilt adjustment and a square dressed wheel. We will know more when they introduce it.
I have ripped a stump and it did ok with the 25 degree top angle. Comparing it to 36RS. I have not tried different top angles in that regard. It will be very similar to 36RS I would think. It should have minimal side to side movement of the tooth. Should find it smoother in ripping than round ground.
I don’t necessarily think it will cut with a properly sharpened square ground chain. That’s not the intent to replace that. It is going to cut faster than round ground and is very easy to sharpen with the HEXA file. The HEXA file design puts the cutting angles and surfaces in the right place as it slides across the gullet area, it maintains the correct height position of the file.
As the tooth gets shorter it'll be interesting to see the effectiveness of this system in real time cut comparison to one on its first time filing..the top plate angle coming down and all.
I've filed the chain back over half way and still does well. The file is smooth on top and bottom and rides the gullet area during the filing process. Very efficient and easy to use concept.
That is not new. It has been in the logging industry for decades. It was originally called a chisel bit chain and a chisel bit file. This reminds me of new songs and new movies people get excited about, only to find out that they are remakes. To all real loggers and timber fallers, your (new design) is a joke! Lol
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Great to see some new innovation
My thoughts exactly. Thanks Nathan!
I always file my regular chain with a flat raker file. You can precisely form your hook and it doesn’t matter if you drop your elbow the tooth remains perfect
Interested to see a picture of your filing. Sounds like you have a technique that works for you.
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What size saw were you using? 🇨🇦🇺🇸
Stihl MS362c
It's like a hybrid between a round and a square
Works very well
It has nothing to do with square. Goofy cutters are more like a hybrid then hexa.
Not really, it's for people that want a different configuration on their teeth, but don't know where to buy the correct file, and for people that don't know how to use the correct file for a square grind tooth. It's marketing by Stihl. If Stihl sold chisel bit, double chisel bit, or square files, people wouldn't know how to use them, , , most people, , , hcheh-hem , , ,don't even know how to use this one (see the video).
What you say is wrong.
@@kantenschleifer2020 what is right?
Does this chain "shave" well like square grind does? By that I mean cutting off a bar-thickness or less off of a previously cut face. Round filed chain typically struggles with this.
There is very little side movement of the tooth. I think the answer to your question is yes. I haven't tried bar width slices but I did several 1/2" pies that were very consistent width.
It looks very similar to the atop racing cut filing style that came out years ago, it was very good for boring cuts, there was no kickback, the nose of the bar could be plunged through and cut efficiently. Will this be available for smaller chains such as .325 or is it exclusive to 3/8?
I was told only 3/8 .063 at this time.
The ATOP guide is a square ground sharpening device. Look at the HEXA design it's not square filed. The channel is not cut to the point or corner of the tooth. Everyone is writing and not looking at the actual design. Check out the HEXA update video I posted.
@@ForestApps I am not referring to the ATOP filing Jig. Initially, there was no jig but rather a goofy file used to achieve the exact style of a tooth that Stihl is now using the Hexa file to achieve. Using the flat face of the goofy file angled at 45 degrees gives you the same outcome. I appreciate your efforts in uploading these videos and I am not trying to sound critical but merely commenting on the similarities.
@@24cupsandcounting can you send a link to what you are referring. I am very familiar with Atop and I’ve not seen a similar grind to HEXA.
@@ForestApps ua-cam.com/video/Md3dA38psMc/v-deo.html
The information is very helpful. But I do not understand the loud music.
Agreed. I stopped watching it
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Tim, who will make the files? Stihl? Pferd? Thanks.
I’m not sure on the manufacture. There are no marks on the one I have. I’m sure it will be PFERD, Sandvic or Vollorbe made for Stihl.
@@ForestApps Thanks Tim!
Thanks for sharing. Is that a .325'' / .050'' chain?
No it’s 3/8 063
.063 will work on my 290
As they say, if the chain fits - run it!
Hey Tim, this looks incredible ... I have a simington 451C and do square ground which this looks quite similar too. The big problem I have is when someone see 's me cut wood and go's "I've never seen a saw cut like that ! can you make me a chain ?" is that its a bit technical ..the files are expensive and every 3-4 manual sharpens the chain needs a touch up on my Simington. So my questions are ... where do you get the files and what machine grinder can you use to give it a touch up ?
Hi Tom,
This is a new concept and will be sometime 2022 availability. They will be Stihl dealer supplied. I think it could be ground with a standard grinder set up with a head tilt adjustment and a square dressed wheel. We will know more when they introduce it.
Hello!
Where can i find to buy this ?
Where are you located?
@@ForestApps Seattle
It will be available at Stihl dealers if not already, soon.
Part number
5607 772 5201
Have you tried milling with it?
Or different top plate angles?
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I have ripped a stump and it did ok with the 25 degree top angle. Comparing it to 36RS. I have not tried different top angles in that regard. It will be very similar to 36RS I would think. It should have minimal side to side movement of the tooth. Should find it smoother in ripping than round ground.
I fail to see what the physics of this grind is that makes it cut more efficiently than a standard square grind full-chisel.
I don’t necessarily think it will cut with a properly sharpened square ground chain. That’s not the intent to replace that. It is going to cut faster than round ground and is very easy to sharpen with the HEXA file. The HEXA file design puts the cutting angles and surfaces in the right place as it slides across the gullet area, it maintains the correct height position of the file.
@@ForestApps so it could possibly replace the round grind?
@@sheepdog271 I don’t know if replace is the right word. It is a system that is easily learned and produces a smooth fast cut.
@@ForestApps I still have not received an answer as to how or why it would cut better...
@@ForestApps What is this chain doing differently that makes it special, besides obviously having a different shape and file?
Looks like you never heard of chisel bit chain.
Oops my bad this a new bad idea from stihls bar and chain department. There cheap low grade steel they use for there bars and chains are junk.
Look at the HEXA update I uploaded
Where can I get that file
Stihl dealers after or in first quarter 2022
Where do you get one ?
Stihl dealers but it will be most likely in 2022
Wow. This sounds awesome. When did you get to do this??
Over the past few months
@@ForestApps that’s awesome. Will the chain work on a Husqvarna?
@@TheGuitarRoom You can make any chain take the shape of the new Stihl cutter, all you need to buy is the file, it's very easy to do.
@@24cupsandcounting thank you Tim. 😊😊🙏🏼
As the tooth gets shorter it'll be interesting to see the effectiveness of this system in real time cut comparison to one on its first time filing..the top plate angle coming down and all.
I've filed the chain back over half way and still does well. The file is smooth on top and bottom and rides the gullet area during the filing process. Very efficient and easy to use concept.
Don't need a new design..just need to know how to file them
You are all set then… you know some folks are just educated way beyond their intelligence.
@@ForestApps nope.. I am a saw builder...people just need to learn how to sharpen a chain.
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Sorry, I don’t know of that area.
Matlav
that music overlay is absolutly annoying STOP DOING THAT! the video is great information wise that music edit is garbage!
Just uploaded a music free version just for you. Like and subscribe….
Why the noisy music?couldn't hear a thing
Look at the version with no music
@@ForestApps thanks Tim.love your channel.
@@micksoden7064 Tim can’t wait to try
video is overwhelmed by dubious, needless music
Turn down your volume
With the double trapéze is better
It works very well!
Whats with that constant crappy music interruptions, just explain the saw chain and dump the noise..............
I’m uploading a music free version. So check it out and subscribe. It’s just for you….
That is not new. It has been in the logging industry for decades. It was originally called a chisel bit chain and a chisel bit file. This reminds me of new songs and new movies people get excited about, only to find out that they are remakes. To all real loggers and timber fallers, your (new design) is a joke! Lol
Tracy watch my HEXA update video. It’s not a standard chisel bit or square grind. The file is very different.
Real Loggers learn new things every day.