I love how they always say " If you have any Questions drop a comment" And they Never answer any questions,,,,,,glad to see DynoJet chimed in with some cute emoji's and didn't answer any questions either,,,,,Great product representation
@@jpcycles well an video of installation the target tune on the bike and linking the software to the target tune from power vison tuner would help for sure
Thanks for another informative video. I have the power vision an really like it. Looking forward to adding Target Tune. This appears to be a much better idea than dyno tuning. Because it is constantly looking at the way I'm riding and not just idle to wide open throttle. I never ride at WOT so I don't really understand that.
How do you determine what to set the AFR parameters for the target tune set up? You mentioned it will keep it at the levels you set, but I would know where to set them?
So am I hearing this right ?...I can tune my bike on the fly and wouldn't have to spend for a dyno session ? I know I could gain the perfect stoichiometric with the dyno but if I could get close,, that would be awesome
What should i use i got 2023 roadglide special and i got a pv4 im new to this and i git a trask cleaner and a cam going in soon and i got a 2-1 bassani on it now
Sorry if I sound dumb - but using target tune do I have to use data log to start the process and every time I shut the bike off do I have to repeat the process. Any info would be greatly appreciated
Thanks for the video. Related/non-related question. Is it advisable to autotune with a Fuelpak FP3 more than once as well…? I have an FP3, VnH slipons and VnH air cleaner on my 2009 Fatboy… Thanks and keep up the goood work.
You can Autotune and refladh ecm as many times as you want. Only issues Is anything outside of the parameters of the narrowband sensors will not be adjusted until you get the fp3 version of wideband o2 sensors system.
Yes big advantages, the moto company system has a cap on how much AFR will be adjusted per EPA restrictions. Powervision will not have those parameter restrictions.
I put a powervision og with target tune and it throw codes for sensors p0030c and p0050c. Not sure what’s happening. Can never get in touch with anyone at dynojet or at fuel moto who was supposed to put a tune in my powervision for my bike but didn’t. Help pls?
With target tune yes. Target tune will need to self adjust the tune as you ride in real time. Autotune pro will write the program and download to the ECM so you can remove it when you think it's good. The power vision scree itself can be removed. The target tune box and sensors have to remain on the bike.
Why would the power vision need to stay connect to the ecm ? I think he misunderstood the question. Isn't the target tune module communication between the 18mm O2 and ecm?
@@shawn9878 powervision interface module itself can be removed, the target tune module needs to stay on the bike to continue to operate. You will have two boxes powervision box and target tune box with wide band o2 sensors. If that makes sense
i have the target tuner on my 18 SG. Dynojet suggests doing a few auto tune sessions even with the target tuner. That doesn't make sense if your saying it's going to self adjust on the fly since its closed loop. Now I'm confused.
Because target tune is over hyped in my opinion. If you have only one bike I guess it's good. If you have multiple bikes or older bikes 99-06 then the autotune pro is best.
So I'm assuming since the narrowband sensor is regulating at ~14.6 would it be safe to say when doing your autotune runs you should not be in the high rpm area for safety sake...
Just installed the S&S 465 cam in my 107 2020 softail, and I did get base map from dynojet. There is major lag at takeoff, would autotune basic fix that lag? Everything after takeoff is straight power. I can’t believe what that cam did to my 107. Lol. It’s a beast.
@@lucab69 been a couple years. Traded it in for a 2021 Road Glide. In 2022. I’d say you would have to take it to a dyno to have that dead area tuned out. As for my 107 Road glide, I’m going Zippers 468, and see if the tune does the same on it.
So if I have the dyno jet power vision black and want to auto tune my 2017 softail All I need is the wideband sensors ? I don’t need target tune as well . Is this correct??
You can use stock narrowband sensors but it will not make any adjustments past its capability. Or buy power vision and Autotune pro using the wide band o2 sensors and have access and adjustments to the full map. Or buy power vision and target tune. All options have pros and cons
@@juliandrago4257 I have the Power Vision Black myself and use it on a 2013 Heritage Softail Classic with the 103 Twin Cam. I also got the Target Tune which required me to buy a different exhaust system (Bassani Pro Street Turn Outs) because my stock exhaust system used the 12 mm O2 sensors and the Target Tune uses the 18 mm wide band sensors. If you want to get the most out of your Power Vision Black you will need to upgrade your exhaust to one that accepts 18 mm O2 sensors. The Target Tune kit does come with 18 mm O2 sensors and 18 mm bungs that you can weld on your stock exhaust system, but to work the best they need to be mounted at an angle like your 12 mm stock ones are and that's not possible with the bungs that are included with the kit. In addition to liking the Bassani Exhaust system that I bought, it also had a Map Tune that was already available for my combination from Fuel Moto that made it easier to to do the final Auto Tuning on my bike. The only upgrades I have are the Power Vision Black, Target Tune, Bassani exhaust and a high flow Screamin Eagle air filter. It made a world of difference in the performance and I believe it runs a little cooler too. I'm happy enough with just these components that I changed my mind on going to a Stage 2 with the cams upgrade.
Ever since Harley went to EFI using maps the altitude is already automatically adjusted by the ECM. So if you tune with autotune pro it will adjust your altitude automatically as you ride. You can use autotune pro on pre O2 sensor technology as well, just need exhaust that has the ports.
I believe you or your tuner has to enable the screaming eagle wide bands to work with the target tune. Contact fuel moto I know they do it all the time.
I love how they always say " If you have any Questions drop a comment" And they Never answer any questions,,,,,,glad to see DynoJet chimed in with some cute emoji's and didn't answer any questions either,,,,,Great product representation
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@@jpcycles well an video of installation the target tune on the bike and linking the software to the target tune from power vison tuner would help for sure
@@canttalkand you still didn’t get a response ha
@techunity1401 well I didn't really expect a response. They usually never respond.
@@canttalk ha
As per dynojet target tune is available also for dyna models before 2017
I use Target Tune on a 2013 Twin Cam Heritage Softail Classic
Our conversation on the phone the other day must have sparked the idea for this video ha ha! Good stuff!!!
Stole the words from my mouth!! Awesome 👏 very good info to learn!
Thanks for another informative video. I have the power vision an really like it. Looking forward to adding Target Tune. This appears to be a much better idea than dyno tuning. Because it is constantly looking at the way I'm riding and not just idle to wide open throttle. I never ride at WOT so I don't really understand that.
Thank you, I'm liking all your M8-related videos
Thank you. This was very informative.
How do you determine what to set the AFR parameters for the target tune set up? You mentioned it will keep it at the levels you set, but I would know where to set them?
You must have the bigger holes in your exhaust to use the wide band 02 sensors they will not fit in the stock O2 ports.
So am I hearing this right ?...I can tune my bike on the fly and wouldn't have to spend for a dyno session ? I know I could gain the perfect stoichiometric with the dyno but if I could get close,, that would be awesome
nice video, should i lower the min map 5 units before i use auto tune? if so do i raise it back to where it was when done with auto tune?
That’s was a really good videos. Keep them coming
Can I get the wide band sensors to dyno tune my bike without getting the power vision?
Ok just tell me what I’m gonna need for a 2022 road glide please. And thank you in advance
What should i use i got 2023 roadglide special and i got a pv4 im new to this and i git a trask cleaner and a cam going in soon and i got a 2-1 bassani on it now
Do you have the Power vision for sale, are they still available, if so what do they cost now ?
Thanks
Sorry if I sound dumb - but using target tune do I have to use data log to start the process and every time I shut the bike off do I have to repeat the process. Any info would be greatly appreciated
Thanks for the video. Related/non-related question. Is it advisable to autotune with a Fuelpak FP3 more than once as well…? I have an FP3, VnH slipons and VnH air cleaner on my 2009 Fatboy… Thanks and keep up the goood work.
You can Autotune and refladh ecm as many times as you want. Only issues Is anything outside of the parameters of the narrowband sensors will not be adjusted until you get the fp3 version of wideband o2 sensors system.
Concise video well done. Any benefit of adding Target Tune over adding MoCo's Smart Tune Pro which is also a wideband?
Yes big advantages, the moto company system has a cap on how much AFR will be adjusted per EPA restrictions. Powervision will not have those parameter restrictions.
I put a powervision og with target tune and it throw codes for sensors p0030c and p0050c. Not sure what’s happening. Can never get in touch with anyone at dynojet or at fuel moto who was supposed to put a tune in my powervision for my bike but didn’t. Help pls?
I'd like to have one but my bike is a 2001 Electra Glide. What's the best alternative?
So once you set AFR values with the Target Tune set up and start to ride around, does the Power Vision have to stay connected at all times?
With target tune yes. Target tune will need to self adjust the tune as you ride in real time. Autotune pro will write the program and download to the ECM so you can remove it when you think it's good. The power vision scree itself can be removed. The target tune box and sensors have to remain on the bike.
Why would the power vision need to stay connect to the ecm ? I think he misunderstood the question. Isn't the target tune module communication between the 18mm O2 and ecm?
@@shawn9878 powervision interface module itself can be removed, the target tune module needs to stay on the bike to continue to operate. You will have two boxes powervision box and target tune box with wide band o2 sensors. If that makes sense
i have the target tuner on my 18 SG. Dynojet suggests doing a few auto tune sessions even with the target tuner. That doesn't make sense if your saying it's going to self adjust on the fly since its closed loop. Now I'm confused.
I think you want to build a solid starting point map especially if youre breaking in a fresh top end
Because target tune is over hyped in my opinion. If you have only one bike I guess it's good. If you have multiple bikes or older bikes 99-06 then the autotune pro is best.
So I'm assuming since the narrowband sensor is regulating at ~14.6 would it be safe to say when doing your autotune runs you should not be in the high rpm area for safety sake...
If using autotune basic it will only make adjustments to the area of the map.set at the afr narrowbands will read. So younare safe
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The TT won’t fit on a 2020 fxlrs running with THRASHIN exhaust
Do the TT work on 2021 Softails?
If I upgrade my cams is targettune able to tune my bike to the needs of that cam?
Or is is better to just dynotune it.
Close enough to save money on a Dyno. Very close.
Can i run these products over SEPST stage 1
Just installed the S&S 465 cam in my 107 2020 softail, and I did get base map from dynojet. There is major lag at takeoff, would autotune basic fix that lag? Everything after takeoff is straight power. I can’t believe what that cam did to my 107. Lol. It’s a beast.
Did u get that lag fixed? Just got a 30/30 cam with a canned tune and have the same lag
@@lucab69 been a couple years. Traded it in for a 2021 Road Glide. In 2022. I’d say you would have to take it to a dyno to have that dead area tuned out. As for my 107 Road glide, I’m going Zippers 468, and see if the tune does the same on it.
If I had my harley upgraded with cam, intake and pipe and new dyno tuned, will I loose my original tune by installing powervision?
No it stores original in unit and can be put back at any time.
So if I have the dyno jet power vision black and want to auto tune my 2017 softail All I need is the wideband sensors ? I don’t need target tune as well . Is this correct??
You can use stock narrowband sensors but it will not make any adjustments past its capability. Or buy power vision and Autotune pro using the wide band o2 sensors and have access and adjustments to the full map. Or buy power vision and target tune. All options have pros and cons
I'm confused as well. I have the power vision black but running stock o2s.... Do we purchase just the widebands or do we have to get a kit?
@@juliandrago4257 I have the Power Vision Black myself and use it on a 2013 Heritage Softail Classic with the 103 Twin Cam. I also got the Target Tune which required me to buy a different exhaust system (Bassani Pro Street Turn Outs) because my stock exhaust system used the 12 mm O2 sensors and the Target Tune uses the 18 mm wide band sensors. If you want to get the most out of your Power Vision Black you will need to upgrade your exhaust to one that accepts 18 mm O2 sensors. The Target Tune kit does come with 18 mm O2 sensors and 18 mm bungs that you can weld on your stock exhaust system, but to work the best they need to be mounted at an angle like your 12 mm stock ones are and that's not possible with the bungs that are included with the kit. In addition to liking the Bassani Exhaust system that I bought, it also had a Map Tune that was already available for my combination from Fuel Moto that made it easier to to do the final Auto Tuning on my bike. The only upgrades I have are the Power Vision Black, Target Tune, Bassani exhaust and a high flow Screamin Eagle air filter. It made a world of difference in the performance and I believe it runs a little cooler too. I'm happy enough with just these components that I changed my mind on going to a Stage 2 with the cams upgrade.
Target tune vs thundemax for 2007 dyna
This or Thundermax?
Ever since Harley went to EFI using maps the altitude is already automatically adjusted by the ECM. So if you tune with autotune pro it will adjust your altitude automatically as you ride. You can use autotune pro on pre O2 sensor technology as well, just need exhaust that has the ports.
If you are using stock O2 sensors this will be severely limited.
Will this work with FP3 or should use PV?
Two separate systems. Won't work together
@@ihatesjws669 thank you
Why isn 13:1 better if 14.6 is stoic?
would this work with smart tune pro
Are you talking about using Harleys version of wide band sensors and the powervision interface?
Yes it will. Contact fuel moto and they will write you a tune to enable screaming eagle smart tune pro.
Sooooo many piggybacks ughhh! What a mess!
9 years later and you might get a response.
Thunder max is way cheaper.
Can you put in the target tune and use the wide band O2 sensors off the Screamin Eagle Pro Tuner?
I believe you or your tuner has to enable the screaming eagle wide bands to work with the target tune. Contact fuel moto I know they do it all the time.