Spokesman from the company did an excellent job explaining everything and selling the product (w/o seeming like he was "selling"). Made me want it! nice job.
Without a doubt a very bright fellow. Great to see mechanical engineering be brought into the spotlight in a video like this. It's a great occupation, and I wish I had done it back when I was making such decisions...
I have the CNC Router Parts 48x24 Pro machine with the spindle and couldn't be happier. The CNC Router Parts folks are very helpful and have answered all of my questions...even the dumb rookie questions.
Man this cnc guy really knows his stuff..... i was a lil unsure about the mdf stuff but to seemlessly switch to talking about metal (my thing) very impressive....... there's some super smart people on this planet...
You had me at "plasma" …but more seriously, seeing the capability of such efficient manufacturing is awesome. It's very inspiring! I could even see a future version that will be able to place its own plastic nails after recognizing where on the material was safe to place them. Next step: machine orders its own supplies after you tell it what you want it to make… I love it!
Building, its a professionally built machine, when i watch these young blokes do things like this and the knowledge they have compared to me is that i feel like i am living in the bronze age in comparison.
I like the idea of combining the plasma with the router. However, anyone doing so would want to pay real close attention when using the plasma after the router. One of those sparks into any sawdust around the shop can light it up. A spark can sit there for a period of time before bursting to flame in sawdust. Make certain that your shop is spotless beforehand. I like this machine. It seems to be well worth considering for our operation.
Upward/downward force due to pitch of bit must always be taken into account when finishing or removing material. Really cool that material variance and end mill pitch/profile has been taken into account.
Worth the investment - CNC Routers, even though initially expensive, can pay for themselves just like any other tool, it just might take a little longer. You can also make multiples of some amazing things. You can make 50 of something and it doesn't burn you out like it would if you were camped out at your band-saw for a week.
I used to work for a major Japanese CNC mfg for machining, mainly metal. I have also worked with many other industrial CNC machines during my lengthy career. Every single one of them, considered the longitudinal direction, the X-axis. What they are calling the gantry, would be the Y-Axis. It's kind of tomAto tomato, but it just seems strange that these and some other router machines have X and Y swapped - VS the machining world. I will say that the structure and the mechanisms look really well done, for an extrusion based machine. Another thing, the Japanese company I worked for made very large CNC mills (machining centers) which had ball screws for axes over 16ft and we had no issues with ball-screw whip. Why? Because those ball-screws were over 3" in diameter. They were also hollow and had chilled oil running through them. As well, they had followers, whose job it was to keep the ball-screw centered. I'm not saying he's wrong, just saying that what he said does not apply to all calibers of machine.
All in all, one of the best educational videos I've seen on youtube or anywhere else for that matter, you guys covered all the questions I had and wondered about. Only bummer for you is others will surely take this video and use it as a template, just remember that saying about imitation and flattery. Peace
In my opinion for setup of squaring and truing the machine. A dial test indicator would be more efficient and accurate then cutting and measuring. And also less material waste.
Love it. Excellent idea doing 1/2 plasma table and 1/2 wood table. Edit: Wonder if you could put a full-length water table on as a permanent fixture, then a wood table on top if you wanted to cut wood parts intermittently.
I'm sure that there are situations where that would be reasonable, but here's the issues that you'll run into by doing that: 1) you lose some Z height. Usually this isn't an issue when dealing with relatively thin 2D cuts, but it's crucial when dealing with 3D parts. 2) your table is no longer perfectly level and when switching, you would have to re-mill the wood top in order to get it level again. This isn't as much of an issue if you're dealing again with thin 2D parts or even very small 3D parts but any sort of engraving or relief V-grooves are sensitive to a 0.005" difference. 3) the table won't be as sturdy. You could still cut out wood, but cutting aluminum would cause the table to shift and lose accuracy by a great deal. So in summary, If you're only using a small range of what the machine can do, then yes that's entirely a viable option, but halving the 1/2, 1/2 table is like having two smaller tables where, with some work, makes a full sized table. Great Idea though!
It never gets old I swear, its like a guy doing a video of his first rat rod. He did a good job and proud of it. Of course he realizes there are fancier , more sophisticated ones out there but for now this suits his needs and he's moving forward learning. When all of the sudden right out of the clear blue sky some asshole starts shitting on some guys parade, comparing his first Rad Rod to the fucking space shuttle. What amazes me is with all the experts and down trotters that appear to exist. Why aren't more of you doing how to video's to help some of the less engineering inclined . Lmmfao!!!
Thanks for the video pretty fascinating how these are put together. I am in the granite countertop and people in my industry use these but they're much more massive and cost a quarter million. You guys ever try to build one to use as a router for doing sinks?
You're not get your plasma cutting fix here, only five seconds of out of focus video, out of 28 minutes. They said they had a special plasma cutting control package that cut clean Edges, that what I wanted to see.
...I need one! I've been shopping for a gantry style CNC for a few years now. This one certainly is robustly built! Inexpensive for what you are getting too.
These are the types of videos that tested was built on (the last 3). You asked what we wanted to see... This kind of stuff. No more stupid puppets or Weta shit.
start with hydrogen and progressively fuse it into heavier element, silicon for the chips, alu for the frame, copper for wiring etc. Gota start from the ground up, you know.
Norm: So, now you have to calibrate it? Drew: *spends four minutes explaining the calibration process* Norm: Okay, so… yes, you have to calibrate it. *nods understandingly*
@alpha machina - interesting. I've wondered about some of the same things. But I also remember thing my folks and older folks were slow on the uptake. When younger I could read a book on VB for Access and program a database in a month or so. Now, it seems it takes longer to grasp some things as I try to learn C++. I do think as we age, the mind somewhat concretifies, either because we get into a complacent zone, doing what we know are are comfortable for too long, or maybe it's the effect of too many crooked cigs and beer over time. Another thing is what you touched on; information is so available now, so many channels and slants on different and any things. When we were young, if we wanted to know something and our parents didn't know, there was the line of Encyclopedia Britannica's on the shelf. And that was about it until we could order a book from the library. Interesting times. Good to see smart chaps like this one though. We need them or we will rot into another Rome as China and India out-resourcefulness us.
nairobie755 also it seems less like reducing backlash as it is reducing slop/alignment issues. Which contributes to backlash of course but as you point out theres an aspect of the rack and pinion method, or any of these methods, where you can't eliminate backlash 100%
There are zero-backlash systems that use preloaded gearboxes(strain wave drives), but there is still an issue of mechanical backlash(even diamonds bend, heh).
A table - nobody, but industrial robots(almost all of which are strain wave driven) can be and are used for precise routing of softer materials in larger volumes, often combined with a rotary table(vertical).
The backlash is eliminated by the spring which preloads the pinion gear into the rack and thus takes up any backlash, yet allows compliance so the machine doesn't seize up (or make its own backlash, the way too-tights spur gears on fixed-distance shafts would). As far as the guys mentioning harmonic drives, the wave generator does not distort the cup into the gear teeth perfectly at the micron level, and the same could be said about cycloid "no backlash" gear sets as well- they are simply no backlash relative to the other components of the system- in the case of a CNC router this means reduced to a level where you will not need software backlash compensation. On a machine with acme screws, you might need 10 or 20 degrees of shaft rotation in order to take up backlash (think manual lathe or mill), in the case of the rack/pinion drive with the spring preload, backlash is essentially zero (unless the rack gets full of sawdust and gunk, which is a real possibility in CNC routing). I think most of the correct design decisions were made with this machine, I have been considering one for a while due to its modularity. I'm not sure about the pinion drive Y axis, a ballscrew could IMO be located better (central to the linear guides). But the pinion drive looks easier to service and it makes the machine footprint smaller than the Y motor sticking out the side and that's a big plus.
Данные станки эксплуатируются уже на протяжении нескольких лет. Опыт который приобретён за это время говорит, что : - делать стульчики на высокотехнологичных станках слишком дорогое удовольствие. Необходимо соизмерять сам инструмент и задача которая ставиться перед ним. Нельзя микроскопом забивать гвозди ! - совмещение на одном станке фрезера и плазмы только удорожает станок. Это разные по своему технологическому процессу операции, которые требуют и разных условий их выполнения.Тем более совместно они просто не требуются для выполнения Ваших задач. Можно, конечно иметь лопату, на ручке которой с противоположной стороны насадить вилы. Но так ли они там нужны Вам в земляных работах ?
please tell them to update their horrible website. It isn't anyway near clear what you are buying what is included and what else you have to buy to actually complete the system. The prices on the website are for just the gantry and other items. They are NOT for a complete system. Their website is the sole reason why i'm not buying from cnc router parts even though they have a very good machine.
I agree it's not optimal but I was able to window-shop together a machine I would want without much trouble. You just got to go down to the electronics section and choose the controller/motor/wires options you like. I was able to get the machine kit, controller complete kit, table legs kit, and some of the accessories I would want by doing basic internet browsing. But yes if you ask me the site should absolutely have links or built-in configurators for a 'complete' kit that includes options for every single part you would need from the table kit down to the dust shoe accessory, all on a single page. It would have taken my 10 minutes spent virtually shopping for a 10k machine down to 5 minutes. AKA: if you're going to drop thousands of dollars on a machine you actually want to buy, the site's few issues are not that big of a deal. Their reputation and product is well regarded from what I've seen; the website quality should not realistically bother a potential customer enough to not buy. If it was "send a check via hotmail" bad then yes I'd agree, run away. And I do appreciate a company that actually lets you just simply order online: if they got much fancier they'd have you doing an RFQ process to buy a $20 accessory part like some of the big guys, which would be death for a prosumer brand.
they have a great page on the site that details the whole machine in this video with all of the cost, apx $14,500. they responded in minutes to my email.
Yeah I bought the Standard 4 x 8 CNC hardware only kit about a year ago - it was probably as cheap as you could get for a machine like that. I didn't use extrusion - instead I used square tube which sacrificed my accuracy big time but still cuts what I need relatively nicely. With that said - their website is terrible. Just terrible. I remember when I first used their directions (which are mostly good) I had to access them again at one point and couldn't find them. Took me like 2 hours to find the specific things I needed. Not very intuitive - I think I'm relatively smart so I don't think its me lol... Anyway, my other complaint from the "standard" machine was the old rack and pinion drive plate. They should have straight up told me that that plate *it bends outward and because of it, the pinion doesn't make full contact with the rack.* It hits it an an angle - And usually, I don't really have an issue with it skipping steps at all, however I don't "really" know whether that's what's causing some of my consistency issues with making parts. It sure as hell might be. But that part of it, kind of pisses me off. I would have invested in some other mechanism if I knew this. With that said - their new one clearly seems better.
Well then that's just a dumb-ass reason not to buy something. You like the product, but because YOU can't make sense of their site, you're like "Fuck that, it's too hard"... Whatever, Man. That's some childish shit.
What about attaching a 3D Printer head? What is the travel of the Z axis. Would have liked to have seen the control board and power supply setup. Construction plans and specifications. It was more a a pay for play add.
i sooo effing want one !! even better when I learned they're only 30 minutes from my driveway. before I buy one, I need to resolve the fact that I live in a shoebox and don't know how to make this work. i'm like the small puppy holding onto a 6' long tree branch trying to get up the stairs and into the house... refusing to let go of the branch. I need to think this through....as I would much rather have this table vs, say, the Langmuir Crossfire
Jan Detlefsen - This isn't a house and the comparison isn't valid. There is a difference between opening a box of pre-engineered and finished parts with instructions and assembling them versus designing, buying raw materials, fabricating the pieces and then assembling it together. These guys assembled a kit, they didn't build the router.
Seems more like assembling than building a CNC machine, kind of like buying a $30 shelf at Walmart and putting it together. When my son and I BUILT his 4'x9' CNC plasma table we cut and welded all of it.
real cool cnc router. i search for a workshop today. if i find one i build also a cnc Machine. this times i make with a little Laser Cutter und a Diy 3d printer some projects. but my channel very litte at the beginning. i hope i can make some cool vid. like yours :)
Yes it is...I agree....HOWEVER.....some of us are looking for this type of infomercial to help us decide if this is the machine we want to go for. I found the video very useful and it will aid in my purchase decision...
Amigo, eu liguei minha corte plasma na minha cnc com arduino e a plasma gerou uma interferencia nos motores fazendo com que eles se movessem sem comandos e isso acabou fazendo o arduino nao funcionar mais. Voce sabe me dizer o que pode ser?
As far as the correct endmill to use you've got a handful of options and a straight flute is just a meh tool. And knowing what to use and when is important. Upward spiral tools are for a good bottom edge and tool longevity because they clear chips very efficiently but do try to pull veneers up. Downward spirals don't last as long because they don't clear chips very effectively but they give a good top finish and don't really move your stock. If your spoil board is in clean condition it should also leave the bottom edge reasonably alright. Straight flute tools give an ok top and bottom finish but far from perfect and they are semi effective at chip clearing. The correct tool for plywood is a compression cutter which has a small section of upcut on the bottom of the tool to give a good bottom finish and the rest of the tool cuts down to give a good top surface. That being said it doesn't look like this machine has the guts to actually use a compression cutter properly since you need to cut at least deep enough to hit the downward spiral in the first pass and I'm not sure that weedy little spindle could handle that at a speed fast enough to not burn out the tool.
I guess a machine of this nature is alright if its all you have room for but to put it into the perspective of my experience buying a cnc router in the uk; we bought a cnc with a bed size of 2600x1430mm and 2 7.5kw spindles that easily cuts 3/4" ply at higher than 400ipm 18000rpm in one pass. It will also happily do aluminium at 1/4" passes at around 100ipm; this from a machine that cost us £1000 to buy second hand and then maybe add another £1000 for transport and our setup time. The machine we bought is solid steel and could literally be hit by a car while cutting and still give me a nice edge so to see an 8'x4' machine costing upwards of $5600 and made of aluminium extrusion with such little power in the drive hardware I honestly just dont get it. I understand not everybody has the space for a machine like mine and that maybe they arent available all the time but a year or so after we bought that one we bought another one on an identical frame which has a 10 tool changer and drilling units for about £2000+transport so all i'm saying is for the money there are better machines out there.
So just to be clear, an assuming my knowledge of CNC is not very good (which it isn't), does this machine require a five axis controller or are you somehow tying the two "Y" axis motors to one axis?
Spokesman from the company did an excellent job explaining everything and selling the product (w/o seeming like he was "selling"). Made me want it! nice job.
Without a doubt a very bright fellow. Great to see mechanical engineering be brought into the spotlight in a video like this. It's a great occupation, and I wish I had done it back when I was making such decisions...
Drew knows his stuff. Says a lot about the capabilities of Pro Plasma and CNC Router Parts as a company.
you don't talk with too many mechanical engineers do ya?
I have the CNC Router Parts 48x24 Pro machine with the spindle and couldn't be happier. The CNC Router Parts folks are very helpful and have answered all of my questions...even the dumb rookie questions.
He's a great technical sales-man. Easy to watch. I'm rubbish on camera; so am very impressed!
This guy knows his stuff. Impressive the amount and detail of considerations that go into such a machine!
Man this cnc guy really knows his stuff..... i was a lil unsure about the mdf stuff but to seemlessly switch to talking about metal (my thing) very impressive....... there's some super smart people on this planet...
You had me at "plasma" …but more seriously, seeing the capability of such efficient manufacturing is awesome. It's very inspiring! I could even see a future version that will be able to place its own plastic nails after recognizing where on the material was safe to place them. Next step: machine orders its own supplies after you tell it what you want it to make…
I love it!
Drew seems incredibly professional and knowledgeable. Give him a promotion.
Sweet multi-aspect gadget. Frank leads a charmed life.
Building, its a professionally built machine, when i watch these young blokes do things like this and the knowledge they have compared to me is that i feel like i am living in the bronze age in comparison.
Hey that's cool, this CNC company is only about 30 minutes away from me. Well done, Drew from North Bend, cool job you have. Doing the name proud.
It’s a really nice way to understanding how your tool works! And it’s fun to build stuff...
I like the idea of combining the plasma with the router. However, anyone doing so would want to pay real close attention when using the plasma after the router. One of those sparks into any sawdust around the shop can light it up. A spark can sit there for a period of time before bursting to flame in sawdust. Make certain that your shop is spotless beforehand.
I like this machine. It seems to be well worth considering for our operation.
I want one for my everlast plasma cutter! The fact it can route too is an added bonus.
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Don't know if Frank names his tools and machines, but if he does he should totally call this one Captain Plasma.
Right
By far my favorite Tested video! So excited to see this develop!!
Upward/downward force due to pitch of bit must always be taken into account when finishing or removing material. Really cool that material variance and end mill pitch/profile has been taken into account.
I am such a geek! I have watched this twice, it's exactly how I want to set mine up. Thanks for sharing!!
I happy that u yhink i could still
I had to watch 4 Ads to be able to watch this ad !!
Worth the investment - CNC Routers, even though initially expensive, can pay for themselves just like any other tool, it just might take a little longer. You can also make multiples of some amazing things. You can make 50 of something and it doesn't burn you out like it would if you were camped out at your band-saw for a week.
Would love the first project coming out of Franks shop
I drooled through this entire video. 🤤 If I win the lottery that Pro Series CNC dual router & plasma cutter machine will be the first tool I buy. 🤑
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Its a beautiful piece of kit thats for sure.
Great questions and Drew was excellent at explaining. Thanks guys
This is what I want for Christmas. I have been a good boy.
Looks like a well designed machine.
A CNC router is a wonderful tool to have.
Such a pleasure to watch your imagination come to reality.
I used to work for a major Japanese CNC mfg for machining, mainly metal. I have also worked with many other industrial CNC machines during my lengthy career. Every single one of them, considered the longitudinal direction, the X-axis. What they are calling the gantry, would be the Y-Axis. It's kind of tomAto tomato, but it just seems strange that these and some other router machines have X and Y swapped - VS the machining world. I will say that the structure and the mechanisms look really well done, for an extrusion based machine.
Another thing, the Japanese company I worked for made very large CNC mills (machining centers) which had ball screws for axes over 16ft and we had no issues with ball-screw whip. Why? Because those ball-screws were over 3" in diameter. They were also hollow and had chilled oil running through them. As well, they had followers, whose job it was to keep the ball-screw centered. I'm not saying he's wrong, just saying that what he said does not apply to all calibers of machine.
All in all, one of the best educational videos I've seen on youtube or anywhere else for that matter, you guys covered all the questions I had and wondered about. Only bummer for you is others will surely take this video and use it as a template, just remember that saying about imitation and flattery. Peace
OMG ,I just noticed the fridge ,love it !
26:14 Ayy FIRST Robotics. It’s cool that I’m starting to hear it mentioned more and more in places that aren’t directly involved
In my opinion for setup of squaring and truing the machine. A dial test indicator would be more efficient and accurate then cutting and measuring. And also less material waste.
Frank looks so happy :D
This's gonna be big. 02:00 EDIT: So it's 'Assembling' a CNC router Plasma cutter.
Love it. Excellent idea doing 1/2 plasma table and 1/2 wood table.
Edit: Wonder if you could put a full-length water table on as a permanent fixture, then a wood table on top if you wanted to cut wood parts intermittently.
I'm sure that there are situations where that would be reasonable, but here's the issues that you'll run into by doing that:
1) you lose some Z height. Usually this isn't an issue when dealing with relatively thin 2D cuts, but it's crucial when dealing with 3D parts.
2) your table is no longer perfectly level and when switching, you would have to re-mill the wood top in order to get it level again. This isn't as much of an issue if you're dealing again with thin 2D parts or even very small 3D parts but any sort of engraving or relief V-grooves are sensitive to a 0.005" difference.
3) the table won't be as sturdy. You could still cut out wood, but cutting aluminum would cause the table to shift and lose accuracy by a great deal.
So in summary, If you're only using a small range of what the machine can do, then yes that's entirely a viable option, but halving the 1/2, 1/2 table is like having two smaller tables where, with some work, makes a full sized table.
Great Idea though!
It never gets old I swear, its like a guy doing a video of his first rat rod. He did a good job and proud of it. Of course he realizes there are fancier , more sophisticated ones out there but for now this suits his needs and he's moving forward learning.
When all of the sudden right out of the clear blue sky some asshole starts shitting on some guys parade, comparing his first Rad Rod to the fucking space shuttle.
What amazes me is with all the experts and down trotters that appear to exist. Why aren't more of you doing how to video's to help some of the less engineering inclined .
Lmmfao!!!
best video yet on cnc I have watched. what will a machine like this cost?
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Thanks for the video pretty fascinating how these are put together. I am in the granite countertop and people in my industry use these but they're much more massive and cost a quarter million. You guys ever try to build one to use as a router for doing sinks?
thats a nice setup nice work on the gear drive
You're not get your plasma cutting fix here, only five seconds of out of focus video, out of 28 minutes. They said they had a special plasma cutting control package that cut clean Edges, that what I wanted to see.
Thanks for the video. It will help me build my own.
Thanks, very interesting and in depth look you dont normally get!
You guys are killin it with the content recently!
...I need one! I've been shopping for a gantry style CNC for a few years now. This one certainly is robustly built! Inexpensive for what you are getting too.
Really interesting video! Thanks for showing the process!
I recognize this guy from school. Pretty cool!
I'm watching this video as I program my CNC machines at work!
Synergy!
Awesome machine :) Thanks for the elaborate explanations!
I love Frank's Artemis shirt!
The raptor nails at around 22:00 need more discussion!
These are the types of videos that tested was built on (the last 3). You asked what we wanted to see... This kind of stuff. No more stupid puppets or Weta shit.
why didnt you make a full size water bed , lower it a bit and cover it with a full sized removeable router table?
Wish these things were available in the UK
So, This was a "one-time" build that never made it into a popular configuration? Where did it go? Priced it out at little under $18K!
That would be cool to have for my everlast plasma cutter.
Aw, dang, I thought "building" meant from the ground up..
They started pretty close to the ground...
hehe
Damn, so did I and I'm only 40 seconds in...
so you expected them to start extruding the aluminium profiles or mining bauxite?
tripwire76 Lol, that's what I was saying. You can't get much more "ground up" than this.
start with hydrogen and progressively fuse it into heavier element, silicon for the chips, alu for the frame, copper for wiring etc. Gota start from the ground up, you know.
Raptor nails and staples, composite that is stronger than metal. - mind blown
Thank you for the helpful video.
You should give this to William Osmon...he needs it more.
Norm: So, now you have to calibrate it?
Drew: *spends four minutes explaining the calibration process*
Norm: Okay, so… yes, you have to calibrate it. *nods understandingly*
Clever people are getting younger....oh I hate getting old. :(...
That's just because they weren't exposed to lead paint.
Downright Mike LOL...😉
That Drew kid is pretty sharp for a youngin
@alpha machina - interesting. I've wondered about some of the same things. But I also remember thing my folks and older folks were slow on the uptake. When younger I could read a book on VB for Access and program a database in a month or so. Now, it seems it takes longer to grasp some things as I try to learn C++.
I do think as we age, the mind somewhat concretifies, either because we get into a complacent zone, doing what we know are are comfortable for too long, or maybe it's the effect of too many crooked cigs and beer over time.
Another thing is what you touched on; information is so available now, so many channels and slants on different and any things. When we were young, if we wanted to know something and our parents didn't know, there was the line of Encyclopedia Britannica's on the shelf. And that was about it until we could order a book from the library. Interesting times. Good to see smart chaps like this one though. We need them or we will rot into another Rome as China and India out-resourcefulness us.
Marc’s Fx Dunning-Kruger effects
Bringing more toys I'm never gonna afford ;o)
i built mine from scratch and saved a bunch of money.
How did you get the knowledge to do it though
I am in the planning stage can you give me some direction as far as tge control box set up to run a dual z axis with a 4 kw spindle and a plasma
If you can, make/put a vacuum table for the CNC router table surface, so so so so much better than having to clamp or nail things in place
You should try putting a 3d print head on the thing.
Why isn't Frank doing the interview here, why is Norm even there? This is Frank's shop and he bought it, right?
Zeis I think the company gave it to them (Tested).
Yes, but who's show is it??
Eliminating backlash is a bit of a misnomer, it's more like minimizing, if you eliminate it the system would seize up and be rendered useless.
nairobie755 also it seems less like reducing backlash as it is reducing slop/alignment issues. Which contributes to backlash of course but as you point out theres an aspect of the rack and pinion method, or any of these methods, where you can't eliminate backlash 100%
There are zero-backlash systems that use preloaded gearboxes(strain wave drives), but there is still an issue of mechanical backlash(even diamonds bend, heh).
True you have certain systems like that but who uses that for a CNC router table?
Granted it's not that hard to get a harmonic drive 4th axis.
A table - nobody, but industrial robots(almost all of which are strain wave driven) can be and are used for precise routing of softer materials in larger volumes, often combined with a rotary table(vertical).
The backlash is eliminated by the spring which preloads the pinion gear into the rack and thus takes up any backlash, yet allows compliance so the machine doesn't seize up (or make its own backlash, the way too-tights spur gears on fixed-distance shafts would). As far as the guys mentioning harmonic drives, the wave generator does not distort the cup into the gear teeth perfectly at the micron level, and the same could be said about cycloid "no backlash" gear sets as well- they are simply no backlash relative to the other components of the system- in the case of a CNC router this means reduced to a level where you will not need software backlash compensation. On a machine with acme screws, you might need 10 or 20 degrees of shaft rotation in order to take up backlash (think manual lathe or mill), in the case of the rack/pinion drive with the spring preload, backlash is essentially zero (unless the rack gets full of sawdust and gunk, which is a real possibility in CNC routing). I think most of the correct design decisions were made with this machine, I have been considering one for a while due to its modularity. I'm not sure about the pinion drive Y axis, a ballscrew could IMO be located better (central to the linear guides). But the pinion drive looks easier to service and it makes the machine footprint smaller than the Y motor sticking out the side and that's a big plus.
sweet set up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a great video!!!
its been a few years now...are you guys going to upload an updated video on the Avid CNC..?
SO AWESOME EPISODE !!!!! THANKS SO MUCH FOR SHARING WITH US. CAN'T WAIT TO GO BACK TO MY "OPEN BUILD" CNC :)
Данные станки эксплуатируются уже на протяжении нескольких лет. Опыт который
приобретён за это время говорит, что :
- делать стульчики на высокотехнологичных станках слишком дорогое удовольствие.
Необходимо соизмерять сам инструмент и задача которая ставиться перед ним.
Нельзя микроскопом забивать гвозди !
- совмещение на одном станке фрезера и плазмы только удорожает станок.
Это разные по своему технологическому процессу операции, которые требуют
и разных условий их выполнения.Тем более совместно они просто не требуются
для выполнения Ваших задач.
Можно, конечно иметь лопату, на ручке которой с противоположной стороны
насадить вилы. Но так ли они там нужны Вам в земляных работах ?
Drew has deep knowledge :o
Bring back Adam
What do you mean? You dont like discount Grant?
@@I8THEmagictoaster lmfao
Good job Sue , ,!
please tell them to update their horrible website. It isn't anyway near clear what you are buying what is included and what else you have to buy to actually complete the system. The prices on the website are for just the gantry and other items. They are NOT for a complete system. Their website is the sole reason why i'm not buying from cnc router parts even though they have a very good machine.
I agree it's not optimal but I was able to window-shop together a machine I would want without much trouble. You just got to go down to the electronics section and choose the controller/motor/wires options you like. I was able to get the machine kit, controller complete kit, table legs kit, and some of the accessories I would want by doing basic internet browsing.
But yes if you ask me the site should absolutely have links or built-in configurators for a 'complete' kit that includes options for every single part you would need from the table kit down to the dust shoe accessory, all on a single page. It would have taken my 10 minutes spent virtually shopping for a 10k machine down to 5 minutes.
AKA: if you're going to drop thousands of dollars on a machine you actually want to buy, the site's few issues are not that big of a deal. Their reputation and product is well regarded from what I've seen; the website quality should not realistically bother a potential customer enough to not buy. If it was "send a check via hotmail" bad then yes I'd agree, run away. And I do appreciate a company that actually lets you just simply order online: if they got much fancier they'd have you doing an RFQ process to buy a $20 accessory part like some of the big guys, which would be death for a prosumer brand.
Scott Watrous im going with shopbot cnc instead. They don't have a plasma option but i don't need it.
they have a great page on the site that details the whole machine in this video with all of the cost, apx $14,500. they responded in minutes to my email.
Yeah I bought the Standard 4 x 8 CNC hardware only kit about a year ago - it was probably as cheap as you could get for a machine like that. I didn't use extrusion - instead I used square tube which sacrificed my accuracy big time but still cuts what I need relatively nicely. With that said - their website is terrible. Just terrible. I remember when I first used their directions (which are mostly good) I had to access them again at one point and couldn't find them. Took me like 2 hours to find the specific things I needed. Not very intuitive - I think I'm relatively smart so I don't think its me lol... Anyway, my other complaint from the "standard" machine was the old rack and pinion drive plate. They should have straight up told me that that plate *it bends outward and because of it, the pinion doesn't make full contact with the rack.* It hits it an an angle - And usually, I don't really have an issue with it skipping steps at all, however I don't "really" know whether that's what's causing some of my consistency issues with making parts. It sure as hell might be. But that part of it, kind of pisses me off. I would have invested in some other mechanism if I knew this. With that said - their new one clearly seems better.
Well then that's just a dumb-ass reason not to buy something. You like the product, but because YOU can't make sense of their site, you're like "Fuck that, it's too hard"... Whatever, Man. That's some childish shit.
What about attaching a 3D Printer head? What is the travel of the Z axis. Would have liked to have seen the control board and power supply setup. Construction plans and specifications. It was more a a pay for play add.
i sooo effing want one !! even better when I learned they're only 30 minutes from my driveway. before I buy one, I need to resolve the fact that I live in a shoebox and don't know how to make this work. i'm like the small puppy holding onto a 6' long tree branch trying to get up the stairs and into the house... refusing to let go of the branch. I need to think this through....as I would much rather have this table vs, say, the Langmuir Crossfire
Same basic machine that Frank Howarth has.
And 1/10th of the filming talen Howarth has.
Please learn the difference between "building" and "assembling".
i'm gonna assemble a house, said nobody ever.
Jan Detlefsen - This isn't a house and the comparison isn't valid. There is a difference between opening a box of pre-engineered and finished parts with instructions and assembling them versus designing, buying raw materials, fabricating the pieces and then assembling it together. These guys assembled a kit, they didn't build the router.
kit planes are also home "build". maybe the world you are looking for is "construct"
@ Eric -- Learn the diff between being an a$$hole and an a$$hat. Oh Yeah, Please. Want it done your way? Do it.
Eric. Get a life.
Use a vacuum plate during cut-out sequence then you won'r need the tabs or have miss match when blending the tabs
When they mention FRC ♥️♥️
Seems more like assembling than building a CNC machine, kind of like buying a $30 shelf at Walmart and putting it together. When my son and I BUILT his 4'x9' CNC plasma table we cut and welded all of it.
It looks like you have the room to add mirrors for a 4x8 laser cutter but would want a vent hood or you would fill the shop with smoke.
Very nice 👍 job 👌 My friends
What are the advantages of using a belt drive versus a direct drive from a stepper motor?
Need to adapt this for an everlast plasma cutter to cut metal as well as wood.
That thing is huge.
I still get scared using a basic router to build my painting canvases..
real cool cnc router. i search for a workshop today. if i find one i build also a cnc Machine. this times i make with a little Laser Cutter und a Diy 3d printer some projects. but my channel very litte at the beginning. i hope i can make some cool vid. like yours :)
This looks really cool... Unfortunately I have neither the space or money for this.
Oh, wow. Hello, Frank - looking mighty fine! ;) You should go without the hat more often 👍
Jemppu cheers!
really solid infomercial
My thoughts exactly, after all....we all can find the pocket change to purchase this glorious kit.
Yes it is...I agree....HOWEVER.....some of us are looking for this type of infomercial to help us decide if this is the machine we want to go for. I found the video very useful and it will aid in my purchase decision...
Amigo, eu liguei minha corte plasma na minha cnc com arduino e a plasma gerou uma interferencia nos motores fazendo com que eles se movessem sem comandos e isso acabou fazendo o arduino nao funcionar mais. Voce sabe me dizer o que pode ser?
As far as the correct endmill to use you've got a handful of options and a straight flute is just a meh tool. And knowing what to use and when is important.
Upward spiral tools are for a good bottom edge and tool longevity because they clear chips very efficiently but do try to pull veneers up.
Downward spirals don't last as long because they don't clear chips very effectively but they give a good top finish and don't really move your stock. If your spoil board is in clean condition it should also leave the bottom edge reasonably alright.
Straight flute tools give an ok top and bottom finish but far from perfect and they are semi effective at chip clearing.
The correct tool for plywood is a compression cutter which has a small section of upcut on the bottom of the tool to give a good bottom finish and the rest of the tool cuts down to give a good top surface. That being said it doesn't look like this machine has the guts to actually use a compression cutter properly since you need to cut at least deep enough to hit the downward spiral in the first pass and I'm not sure that weedy little spindle could handle that at a speed fast enough to not burn out the tool.
I guess a machine of this nature is alright if its all you have room for but to put it into the perspective of my experience buying a cnc router in the uk; we bought a cnc with a bed size of 2600x1430mm and 2 7.5kw spindles that easily cuts 3/4" ply at higher than 400ipm 18000rpm in one pass. It will also happily do aluminium at 1/4" passes at around 100ipm; this from a machine that cost us £1000 to buy second hand and then maybe add another £1000 for transport and our setup time.
The machine we bought is solid steel and could literally be hit by a car while cutting and still give me a nice edge so to see an 8'x4' machine costing upwards of $5600 and made of aluminium extrusion with such little power in the drive hardware I honestly just dont get it.
I understand not everybody has the space for a machine like mine and that maybe they arent available all the time but a year or so after we bought that one we bought another one on an identical frame which has a 10 tool changer and drilling units for about £2000+transport so all i'm saying is for the money there are better machines out there.
Want one for my everlast plasma cutter now.
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So just to be clear, an assuming my knowledge of CNC is not very good (which it isn't), does this machine require a five axis controller or are you somehow tying the two "Y" axis motors to one axis?
So awesome! I want one
It’s very very very Awesome
Great questions, very interesting.
Where can you get the design for the chair
good project . so i can ask how many time to by this project . thanks