Oh she was so beautiful.. 💔 People often overlook her as a human being when it comes to all of the media her murder case received..it’s so incredibly sad. May she rest in peace and may the full truth of what happened to her come out one day
She was so pretty. It's really sad and horrible. She didn't even get to live half her life. This atrocity makes me hate this world sometimes. Especially being a dad and having to be terrified something like this could happen to one of them. If I were to catch the piece of garbage who does such things... well.. enough said. RIP Hae Min Lee
Serial was f-ing chilling to me. Grew up in the town next door. Move away for college and never moved back. But, I knew the other girl that was murdered coincidentally. Man, just f-ing weird.
Yea, we had like a Nearly semester long assessments of this case in my freshman year of High school in English. Then one night it just randomly Came across my mind. R.I.P
The big thing that irritates me about Adnan is this: He obviously learns that his "buddy" Jay shows police where Hae's car is stashed after her disappearance. Then he learns of the several contradictory stories Jay gives. If it were me and I was 100% innocent, and I had an ex that disappeared or was killed, and my "buddy" shows police where the car is - I'd spend every ounce of my day trying to get him convicted. That right there is what is so f'd up. Adnan has never tried to implicate Jay in anyway, or bad mouth him. The worst he did was mutter "pathetic" as Jay walked by in the courtroom. I'm convinced this was indeed carried out by both Adnan and Jay, and Jay just broke immediately. Any implication that Jay was involved from Adnan, and Adnan immediately shows his guilt or involvement. I also have a big problem with Adnan high as a mofo at that Cathy girls apartment before 530. If Adnan was at track practice til 430, how the heck is he molesting pillows at a strangers house less than an hour later?
...or Jay was a pawn in this as much as Adnan was. Jay was being threatened with life in prison himself if he didn't go along with the plan. Remember, Jay kept changing his story to fit the evidence he was given. Now why would he do that???
Katrina Anderson Jay was absolutely involved after the fact. There is no reason for a petty drug dealer to want to be involved with anything that the police are looking at. He kept changing his story to cover for others, and the mere fact he was a totally stoned dumbass I think he couldn't recall the whole story. I dont know if could convict Adnan based on a potheads testimony, but I am fairly certain Adnan killed Hae. There are too many inconvenient instances for him, and they all point at him.
Barkeroni Yes, Jay was a petty drug dealer. Actually, the term "petty" is up for debate if you read Jay's interview from The Intercept. Jay was more involved in weed dealing than he initially let on, which sounds plausible. If you listen to the detectives interviews with Jay, you can sense they're familiar with him. If the detectives knew all the details of his heavy involvement in supplying weed because of his prior run-ins with the law, and also all the people that were connected in Jay's same operation, this would be a major bargaining chip for the detectives to use against Jay. If I were Jay, I wouldn't want to be responsible for drug dealers going to prison because I didn't say what detectives wanted me to. Then I'd end up in Leakin' Park somewhere too. If detectives believed Jay committed the crime, their case against him would've been much stronger, yet he served no jail time at all. Why? Because they made a deal with him that was never made public.
Barkeroni We can't even be sure that Jay really knew the whole time where the car was. Jay's first interview with detectives was 2/28/1999 but he didn't take them to Hae's body and car until 4/13/1999. What was he waiting for? Was he waiting to be fed this information by other people during the negotiations process? We know Mr. S found the Hae's body on 2/9/1999 and alerted the cops. There's debate about whether many people knew the location of her body (considering how well-hidden it was for Mr. S to stumble upon it) and Mr. S was just the good Samaritan to come forward. It's not like detectives didn't already know where her body was and they could've unknowingly given clues to Jay. Was this why detectives provided him with a private attorney? Was Jay's cooperation the reason why he served no jail time for being an "accessory after the fact", if you even believe he actually was an accessory and isn't just saying that to make the story more believable? If he was an accessory, why was his house never searched? I find that part suspect too.
Katrina Anderson True. Those detectives were idiots too. If all they had was Jay's testimony, and no real evidence against Adnan, why didn't they simply wiretap Jay? They could have also had Jay phone Adnan and listen in. "Hey Adnan, its Jay. Listen man, I think we need to move her car." If Adnan comments about it, boom! Guilty right there. They could have easily had Jay implicate Adnan over the phone or a simple wiretap. This could have been done in so many scenarios its almost laughable they didn't do it. Jay and Adnan still hung out a few times after her murder…
Did she know that this was going to be filmed? Because the last episode of Serial her boyfriend claims that the night before she asked him to call the school and pretend to be a guardian to excuse her absence, so that she could spend the entire day with him. But it's hard to believe a young girl would do that, knowing the a film crew would be expecting to take some shots of her and a quick interview at 6:30am. This makes the boyfriend a liar.....which to me, puts some of the spotlight on him.
Her boyfriend didn't "say" that - it was a PS on a note that she wrote to that boyfriend that day, that was found in her car later. hw2.serialpodcast.org/sites/default/files/maps/haes_note.jpg
Here is a tip...Don't believe everything you hear in podcasts...or on the internet for that matter. If you take that advice, then maybe some day, someone might actually care about your opinion. But until that day...no one will ever want to know your thoughts on anything since you don't HAVE thoughts of your own.
Hi John, if you listen to the other podcast done by Rabia Choudry they go into a lot more detail about times and dates of this filming and some of the hockey games that Hae went to etc. Seems that this film may not have been made the day she disappeared after all. However, i must say that i always thought the new boyfriend Don's behaviour was strange - which does not, of course, mean he is guilty of anything - except i thought it was strange that you would ring someone late to make sure they had arrived home safely (showing that he cared and was the type to check in regularly) and then, when the same person goes missing (remember, they were supposed to see each other that evening) you never ever bother trying to contact her at all.
I can't either. She's supposed ot be dead by 2:36pm which means it was definitely not dark at all, it wasnt even close to getting dark. If this is the same day then she must have come back from the dead because at 0:14 it's dark. She's either in a super dark hallway where the lights are shitty or it's dark outside and the outside lights are on.
Alanna Frank Further investigation suggests this was not actually filmed on the day of her death. She is believed to have died on the 13th of February, but a hand written note in her car (written by Hae) specifically mentions the TV interview and a wrestling match occurring on the same day, that wrestling match is known to have happened on the 5th. Source: Undisclosed Podcast, episode 2.
not even the same year. Listen to her, this is from late 97 or early 98. If this video was taken on January 13, 1999, Hae would say she's played Lacrosse for three years. Hae says she's played Field Hockey for two years. Hae didn't play Field Hockey during her sophomore year. The two years she's talking about would be her freshman and junior years.
the one thing about this case that perplexes me so much is the fact that Adnan supposedly called his own phone, which was said to be in Jay’s possession at that time using a pay phone at the Best Buy he killed Hae at. And yet, there is no evidence that there was a pay phone at that location. Employees from that time were asked about said pay phone, but no one remembered one at that location. And photos from around that time were dug up and there was no pay phone or phone booth visible on the property. So how could Adnan have called Jay? I believe Jay assisted Adnan in the murder. And Jay was so careful to dispose of his clothes from that night, making sure there was no evidence he was involved. Why would someone supposedly innocent be so careful to destroy evidence?
@@okentrepreneur3777 Then you know nothing about the case. Adnan is clearly guilty. Multiple corroborative witnesses (Jay & the dentist), motive, he accidently admitted he had the cell phone on him when it was pinged (he didn't know they could do that), and the only person who confirms Adnan's fake alibi was ratted out by her own sisters as a liar who'd say anything to exonerate this criminal. He's guilty. Jay may have been an accomplice but Adnan is the murder.
I wanna believe Adnan didn't do it because there's no real hard evidence that it was him, but at the same time if he's so innocent why can't he remember what he did that day around 2:30? especially if he got a call asking if he'd seen Hae. I would be beating myself up and racking my brain trying to remember because that could possibly prove my innocence and save me a lifetime in prison. Also, Jay should've definitely been convicted too. Not just probation for two years. He was straight up an accomplice and should've gotten some time in jail or paid bail or something harsher instead of just agreeing to "help them" with his testimony.
Honestly, there's so many nothing days. Try to remember what you did last wednesday. Remember that before they knew she was _really_ missing he probably wouldn't have thought about it. Actually that is one part that makes me think he could be innocent, the fact that if he supposedly made such a great plan and plot to kill her, why wouldn't he have an alibi and know where he was that day.
If you consider your ex girlfriend going missing and cops calling you that very night to ask about it a "nothing day" then you live a more interesting life than I do. It was not a week like you say, it was not 6 weeks like sarah says......it was mere hours when he was first notified she was missing. He knew exactly what he did every minute of that day, guaranteed. The minute the cops called him he would have called hae, he didnt, because he knew she was dead because he watched her die as his hands slowly tightened around her neck and he watched the life fade from her eyes.
amy Yos because people don’t remember what happened in a specific date unless something interesting occurred. That’s how memory works. I can’t tell you what I did a week ago tbh. Sometimes I can’t even remember what I did the day before.
everyone needs to listen to the undisclosed podcast, it's a continuation of serial. absolutely mind blowing, it is soooo much more specific rather than serial's story telling. not trying to discredit serial or anything, it's also amazing but when it comes to the facts, undisclosed blows it right out of the water!!!! in the tapes you can literally HEAR cops coaching jay lies, and the real reason Christina guiterrez never spoke to asia mcclain...everyone go listen, new episodes every tuesday
+mrscupcakechic careful, it's not a continuation of serial. it's an examination of the evidence and more research done by 3 lawyers (one being robia) who find the prosecution's story to be questionable if not full of holes. they were very clear it does not have an affiliation with serial, though obviously sarah had an afiliation with robia who told her about the case
+mrscupcakechic www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcastorigins/comments/3gxv4l/timeline_iii/ You should check out this timeline of events. I agreed with you, after i listened to undisclosed.. i was pretty sure he didnt do it...Was still on the fence somewhat though. but this timeline has Hae Min Lees actual words from her own diary... Makes you question everything.
Austin Childers The silly podcast says a lot of things. Doesn't make them accurate. The podcast has an agenda to spread bullshit. Anyone who thinks the piece of this boyfriend is innocent is an idiot. An easily led idiot who is living their life wrong. You was wasting your lives allowing the internet to become your brain...rather than letting it SUPPLEMENT your brain.
Molly Sullivan The fact that you wrote "u have no chill" is all I need to know to know that you are not worth my time. I only converse with intelligent adults. Not people who will remain burdens to society their entire lives.
My biggest problem with adnan's story is the fact he doesn't point the finger at Jay... if Jay didn't do it, how did he know so much? If adnan didn't do it, why is he not positive Jay did it? Also, under the laws of Islam, killing haye
GalenAus Not really. It could be a contributing factor just like anything else.It was pretty obviously part of the state's angle... they just didn't say it outright.
😭😢 such a beautiful soul how sick 😷 is one to do such Hanis crimes of taking her life. May a beautiful soul rest peacefully. And some day get justice served on her killer.💜
Jada Smith so he finally Confessed I read somewhere where I thought that they had said they could not try him or hold him because of the fact that he would not confess to the crime. But I’m glad to see that he’s behind bars and I think he needs to be sentenced to death that way he can feel the pain that she felt when he senselessly took her wife poor girl and she was very pretty too. Had her whole life ahead of her and it was taken away. 😭
i listened to the serial podcast when it was FIRST coming out, and i would anxiously wait every week for a new episode with updates and new information and man, it was a wild ride. it was truly an incredible podcast, super detailed and very interesting and i would recommend it to anyone. it was also an extremely tragic event, but i do believe adnan is innocent and i’m glad he’s getting a new trial. it’s horrible hae min lee was killed and i hope she gets the justice she deserves. i truly wish there was a button we could all push to go back to that day and find out what happened to her, and who the hell killed such an innocent girl. she was an amazing, smart, very caring individual who was loved by many. rest in peace, beautiful 🕊💔
Adnan is guilty as hell. He's the only one with a clear motive, he wrote that he would kill her on the same breakup letter she sent him, his cellphone pinged the cell towers in the area where Hae Min Lee's body was found, other witnesses testified that they heard Adnan bragging about how he actually murdered someone with his bare hands, the mosque that Adnan attended collected about 80 signatures from members claiming that they witnessed Adnan at the mosque praying to Allah on the day of the murder yet Adnan himself refuted this narrative by claiming that he was at school during a track and field event, and none of the recently done DNA testing has proven anything since such evidence quickly degrades over time (especially when in this case, the evidence wasn't stored in a way that was conscious of DNA preservation). Guys, this isn't a hard case when you know the full story and _why_ the jury, the court of appeals, and the supreme court ruled the way they did. The Serial Podcast slices and dices cases such as this and presents them in highly misleading ways to fool you into thinking that there was some sort of miscarriage of justice at hand. In reality, the Innocence Project is rallying for donations and giving the public the illusion that the organization is needed a lot more than they actually are.
i wish justice didn't botch her case and that trial so she could just rest in peace and her family could mourn her normally like any other family who lost their daughter. everyday must be just more salt on the wound for them. the true crime community and the internet can be vicious places. i have my doubts about that case, nothing 100%, but i still think she should at least be the main focus, and her family should be taken into consideration above everyone else. i'm not religious but i'm sure she's watching over and protecting them, they'll meet again someday.
Adnan is guilty and the only reason he can't or won't attack Jay's accusations is because he decided from the beginning to deny deny deny. If he implicates Jay and admits Jay helped him bury the body, then he has to admit his own guilt. If Jay made the whole thing up then it would mean Jay is guilty and had something to do with it: with no apparent motive. Adnan has the motive, not Jay.
One of Jays motives could have been to get Adnan out of the picture since he was so close to his then girlfriend Stefanie. They even won as a pair for their junior prom together.
WMAR - I have seen no dates on or for this footage except what was reported in Serial from Hae's note. When (date and time of day) do your records indicate this was filmed and when and how many times did it air (as exact as you can provide)? I suspect this was NOT filmed nor aired the day of her death, but at least the day before if not two days before. I believe these are important facts to the case.
Adnan is 100% guilty. His cell phone pinged near her body, his friend confirmed seeing her body in his trunk, there's no other suspect, and the sisters of the only person to corroborate Adnan's fake alibi said their sister explicitly said she'd lie to exonerate Adnan. Put this piece of garbage back in jail. Way to get a murder free, Serial. Doofuses.
I believe adnon is innocent, I think they should look at the striker that found hae's body and jay because I think jay knows who did it, but doesn't want to say.
+Zainaba Sow Because the good lady in the podcast inconspicuously suggested you so.. Make up your own mind, willya.. Jay came to confess on his own, and the the culprit stayed with him the whole day. Jay didn't have a beef with her, the dude he was hanging out with had... No need to be Sherlock to break open this case.
@@ArunKumar-nc4vy he didnt have to have beef. Couldve been something as simple as he wanted her.. Knew the only way was to assault her. He had adnans car + phone. Easy to not only trick her but pin it on adnan.
Jay knew where the car was and he knew she was strangled. So Jay is for sure in this deeply. However, Adnan would be calling him out and pointing the finger at Jay if it were just him. It was both of them but yes I think Jay had much more involvement than he confessed to.
You see pictures but its not the same as seeing this fully fleshed, beautiful young women wgo really could have done anything. An immigrant. Judging by her writing she was pretty smart. I 100% believe they got the right guy when arresting Adnan. He killed her. He was mad. He felt betrayed. His ego was bruised. Nobody else had this emotional motive to murder Hae Mjn Lee the way Adnan did. Its obvious to me
He is the only one that had all the pieces and went around implicating Adnan. I surely wouldn't take a murder charge over a weed charge. Doesn't sound believable at all.
Think he killed her. He turned down the plea of 4 more years without an alfred plea vs spending the rest of his life in prison. He lied to his mother during his teenage days and was secretive, just to not hurt her feelings/be innocent in her eyes. If he takes the plea, he will be out of jail in 4 years, but will have to risk being looked at differently under his parents and family's eyes, especially after all the effort and faith they put into his innocence. So, I believe he has no problem staying in jail because he knows he did the crime. He rather be in jail, falsly claiming to be an innocent man than be out in the world, labeled as guilty, which he is.
i cant attest to the guilt or innocence being why he decided to stay in jail, but i dont think him lying to his mother about having a girlfriend is proof of his secrecy. my sister lied to my parents about her boyfriend because they didnt want her dating until she was 16. everyone with strict parents lies, it doesnt mean that theyre suited to kill someone
Or…he turned it down because he’s actually not guilty, and doesn’t want that Alfred plea on his record, making him a criminal for the rest of his life. He wants actual exoneration. Especially now that we know for sure there were two other suspects who were not investigated at all.
Your logic isn't logical..I wouldn't admit to a murder I didn't commit just to get less time when the person that was murdered is someone I cared about. A murderer doesn't have a guilty conscience.
Nah . He was prepared to be in . He just had to kill her coz he loved her too much to see her sleep w another man. Now seeing her letters on Don in UA-cam would certainly assure him he did the right thing to kill
I've always known strangulation to be an up close and personal murder technique. Someone that was really angry and wanted to watch her die or they had done something they needed to cover-up quickly. Who did the DNA implicate?
You mean to tell me that the guy who planned and helped carry out the murder didn't want to implicate himself as an accessory to murder before the fact... and so he didn't correct the police when they were trying to pin it all on Syed? Stop the presses!
When did the interview air? Is it possible some sicko watched it and now knows what school she goes to and can look up her schedule Bc she explained her activities? They went up to the school and watched and followed her then figured out a way to get her out of her car and harm her and that jay guy later heard about it and he implicated adnan Bc he knew him and if he had implicated the true killer someone he’s more threatened by? It’s very possible. There’s literally no dna evidence linking adnan to the murder and the only thing they’re going on is jays story which has many holes in it. Also, jays is known to be a liar and make up things even in his own lie. Did they ever do a psychological evaluation on the witness or a character evaluation?
Rest in peace innocent baby girl Hae Lee. I wish I could rewind to that day and see who hurt her. I am so perplexed by this case
What’s so perplexing , the adnan scumbag guy is in jail for it 🤔
SantaCruz008 The case was clearly pampered with and DNA was a huge problem in this case. It was an unfair trial.
@@cheeseclover The word is "tampered" and despite issues with the trial, they definitely got the right guy. Cold psycho.
@@BrainForAHeart
No motive, No evidence, and only one boys testimony that was and is ever changing isn't definite in anyone's book sorry 😂
@@heathercarter5950 no need to apologize for your opinion Heather
Oh she was so beautiful.. 💔 People often overlook her as a human being when it comes to all of the media her murder case received..it’s so incredibly sad. May she rest in peace and may the full truth of what happened to her come out one day
Such a beautiful and sweet sounding girl. Life is so unfair.. Her family is in my prayers.. God rest her sweet soul
Your prayers are useless
Rest in peace. Seems like you were a great sportswoman and confident speaker.
RIP Hae Min Lee
+May Moore Thank you!
Her voice is so soothing
She was so pretty. It's really sad and horrible. She didn't even get to live half her life. This atrocity makes me hate this world sometimes. Especially being a dad and having to be terrified something like this could happen to one of them. If I were to catch the piece of garbage who does such things... well.. enough said.
RIP Hae Min Lee
CarreraLover why what happen to her
she clearly did lived half her life 18 devides 2 9 simple that was half her life
@@Pretty_reen I don't think it's really something to be a smartass about dude, you know what he meant.
This girl needs justice.
She got it? Her killer is in jail
@@scarlettletter3788 adnan didnt do it stop commenting
@@yonnaherboo LOL you are a deluded groupie. Explain why he asked for a ride at the exact time she got murdered
She got it
@@scarlettletter3788 not really she got no Justice because adnan isn’t the killer
So sad. What a hard working young lady she was.
Serial was f-ing chilling to me. Grew up in the town next door. Move away for college and never moved back. But, I knew the other girl that was murdered coincidentally. Man, just f-ing weird.
HKim0072 what was the other girls name?
Annelise. (Murder was solved via a DNA match in 2014.)
It's full of crap. He's guilty
I knew her in my g12 English course. Rest in peace.
Yea, we had like a Nearly semester long assessments of this case in my freshman year of High school in English. Then one night it just randomly Came across my mind. R.I.P
really? did you know her well? such a tragic case. i really hope they are able to find justice for her poor family.
So sad to see such a good person loose her life like this, RIP Mae!!!
The big thing that irritates me about Adnan is this:
He obviously learns that his "buddy" Jay shows police where Hae's car is stashed after her disappearance. Then he learns of the several contradictory stories Jay gives.
If it were me and I was 100% innocent, and I had an ex that disappeared or was killed, and my "buddy" shows police where the car is - I'd spend every ounce of my day trying to get him convicted. That right there is what is so f'd up. Adnan has never tried to implicate Jay in anyway, or bad mouth him. The worst he did was mutter "pathetic" as Jay walked by in the courtroom.
I'm convinced this was indeed carried out by both Adnan and Jay, and Jay just broke immediately. Any implication that Jay was involved from Adnan, and Adnan immediately shows his guilt or involvement.
I also have a big problem with Adnan high as a mofo at that Cathy girls apartment before 530. If Adnan was at track practice til 430, how the heck is he molesting pillows at a strangers house less than an hour later?
...or Jay was a pawn in this as much as Adnan was. Jay was being threatened with life in prison himself if he didn't go along with the plan. Remember, Jay kept changing his story to fit the evidence he was given. Now why would he do that???
Katrina Anderson Jay was absolutely involved after the fact. There is no reason for a petty drug dealer to want to be involved with anything that the police are looking at. He kept changing his story to cover for others, and the mere fact he was a totally stoned dumbass I think he couldn't recall the whole story. I dont know if could convict Adnan based on a potheads testimony, but I am fairly certain Adnan killed Hae. There are too many inconvenient instances for him, and they all point at him.
Barkeroni Yes, Jay was a petty drug dealer. Actually, the term "petty" is up for debate if you read Jay's interview from The Intercept. Jay was more involved in weed dealing than he initially let on, which sounds plausible. If you listen to the detectives interviews with Jay, you can sense they're familiar with him. If the detectives knew all the details of his heavy involvement in supplying weed because of his prior run-ins with the law, and also all the people that were connected in Jay's same operation, this would be a major bargaining chip for the detectives to use against Jay. If I were Jay, I wouldn't want to be responsible for drug dealers going to prison because I didn't say what detectives wanted me to. Then I'd end up in Leakin' Park somewhere too. If detectives believed Jay committed the crime, their case against him would've been much stronger, yet he served no jail time at all. Why? Because they made a deal with him that was never made public.
Barkeroni We can't even be sure that Jay really knew the whole time where the car was. Jay's first interview with detectives was 2/28/1999 but he didn't take them to Hae's body and car until 4/13/1999. What was he waiting for? Was he waiting to be fed this information by other people during the negotiations process? We know Mr. S found the Hae's body on 2/9/1999 and alerted the cops. There's debate about whether many people knew the location of her body (considering how well-hidden it was for Mr. S to stumble upon it) and Mr. S was just the good Samaritan to come forward. It's not like detectives didn't already know where her body was and they could've unknowingly given clues to Jay. Was this why detectives provided him with a private attorney? Was Jay's cooperation the reason why he served no jail time for being an "accessory after the fact", if you even believe he actually was an accessory and isn't just saying that to make the story more believable? If he was an accessory, why was his house never searched? I find that part suspect too.
Katrina Anderson True. Those detectives were idiots too. If all they had was Jay's testimony, and no real evidence against Adnan, why didn't they simply wiretap Jay? They could have also had Jay phone Adnan and listen in.
"Hey Adnan, its Jay. Listen man, I think we need to move her car."
If Adnan comments about it, boom! Guilty right there.
They could have easily had Jay implicate Adnan over the phone or a simple wiretap. This could have been done in so many scenarios its almost laughable they didn't do it. Jay and Adnan still hung out a few times after her murder…
She is so cute.
She seemed so sweet and beautiful. RIP Hae ❤
Did she know that this was going to be filmed? Because the last episode of Serial her boyfriend claims that the night before she asked him to call the school and pretend to be a guardian to excuse her absence, so that she could spend the entire day with him. But it's hard to believe a young girl would do that, knowing the a film crew would be expecting to take some shots of her and a quick interview at 6:30am. This makes the boyfriend a liar.....which to me, puts some of the spotlight on him.
Why would he lie about that? It's not like that gives him any kind of alibi. If anything, it would've been better if he just left that part out.
Her boyfriend didn't "say" that - it was a PS on a note that she wrote to that boyfriend that day, that was found in her car later.
hw2.serialpodcast.org/sites/default/files/maps/haes_note.jpg
Betsy Moyer
Actually, in an interview with the boyfriend, he did say that she had asked him to call in for her at school that day so she could ditch.
Here is a tip...Don't believe everything you hear in podcasts...or on the internet for that matter. If you take that advice, then maybe some day, someone might actually care about your opinion. But until that day...no one will ever want to know your thoughts on anything since you don't HAVE thoughts of your own.
Hi John, if you listen to the other podcast done by Rabia Choudry they go into a lot more detail about times and dates of this filming and some of the hockey games that Hae went to etc. Seems that this film may not have been made the day she disappeared after all. However, i must say that i always thought the new boyfriend Don's behaviour was strange - which does not, of course, mean he is guilty of anything - except i thought it was strange that you would ring someone late to make sure they had arrived home safely (showing that he cared and was the type to check in regularly) and then, when the same person goes missing (remember, they were supposed to see each other that evening) you never ever bother trying to contact her at all.
From what I remember she disappeared the same day this aired
According to the last podcast, apparently this was shot the day Hae died.
No, it AIRED that day. It was shot a week prior.
What wow
The same day...Jesus. I can't wrap my mind around it.
I can't either. She's supposed ot be dead by 2:36pm which means it was definitely not dark at all, it wasnt even close to getting dark. If this is the same day then she must have come back from the dead because at 0:14 it's dark. She's either in a super dark hallway where the lights are shitty or it's dark outside and the outside lights are on.
Alanna Frank Further investigation suggests this was not actually filmed on the day of her death. She is believed to have died on the 13th of February, but a hand written note in her car (written by Hae) specifically mentions the TV interview and a wrestling match occurring on the same day, that wrestling match is known to have happened on the 5th.
Source: Undisclosed Podcast, episode 2.
not even the same year. Listen to her, this is from late 97 or early 98.
If this video was taken on January 13, 1999, Hae would say she's played Lacrosse for three years.
Hae says she's played Field Hockey for two years. Hae didn't play Field Hockey during her sophomore year. The two years she's talking about would be her freshman and junior years.
Chuck Summers she did say that
Simonne if you look closely the walls are brick which wouldnt be the imside of a school building
the one thing about this case that perplexes me so much is the fact that Adnan supposedly called his own phone, which was said to be in Jay’s possession at that time using a pay phone at the Best Buy he killed Hae at. And yet, there is no evidence that there was a pay phone at that location. Employees from that time were asked about said pay phone, but no one remembered one at that location. And photos from around that time were dug up and there was no pay phone or phone booth visible on the property. So how could Adnan have called Jay? I believe Jay assisted Adnan in the murder. And Jay was so careful to dispose of his clothes from that night, making sure there was no evidence he was involved. Why would someone supposedly innocent be so careful to destroy evidence?
I think I read somewhere the Best Buy thing was a suggestion by the police c they gave hay a script to go by
There’s a podcast on this, and all honesty I believe jay framed Adenan
On the blueprints for Best Buy there’s a space for a new hone booth inside. *phone
Jay definitely moved like he was guilty of something.
@@okentrepreneur3777 Then you know nothing about the case. Adnan is clearly guilty. Multiple corroborative witnesses (Jay & the dentist), motive, he accidently admitted he had the cell phone on him when it was pinged (he didn't know they could do that), and the only person who confirms Adnan's fake alibi was ratted out by her own sisters as a liar who'd say anything to exonerate this criminal. He's guilty. Jay may have been an accomplice but Adnan is the murder.
I wanna believe Adnan didn't do it because there's no real hard evidence that it was him, but at the same time if he's so innocent why can't he remember what he did that day around 2:30? especially if he got a call asking if he'd seen Hae. I would be beating myself up and racking my brain trying to remember because that could possibly prove my innocence and save me a lifetime in prison. Also, Jay should've definitely been convicted too. Not just probation for two years. He was straight up an accomplice and should've gotten some time in jail or paid bail or something harsher instead of just agreeing to "help them" with his testimony.
Honestly, there's so many nothing days. Try to remember what you did last wednesday. Remember that before they knew she was _really_ missing he probably wouldn't have thought about it. Actually that is one part that makes me think he could be innocent, the fact that if he supposedly made such a great plan and plot to kill her, why wouldn't he have an alibi and know where he was that day.
If you consider your ex girlfriend going missing and cops calling you that very night to ask about it a "nothing day" then you live a more interesting life than I do.
It was not a week like you say, it was not 6 weeks like sarah says......it was mere hours when he was first notified she was missing.
He knew exactly what he did every minute of that day, guaranteed. The minute the cops called him he would have called hae, he didnt, because he knew she was dead because he watched her die as his hands slowly tightened around her neck and he watched the life fade from her eyes.
amy Yos I don't even remember what I ate for breakfast today! It's just so clear Adnan is innocent and the fucking murderer is walking free!
Chuck Summers cool story bro
amy Yos because people don’t remember what happened in a specific date unless something interesting occurred. That’s how memory works. I can’t tell you what I did a week ago tbh. Sometimes I can’t even remember what I did the day before.
everyone needs to listen to the undisclosed podcast, it's a continuation of serial. absolutely mind blowing, it is soooo much more specific rather than serial's story telling. not trying to discredit serial or anything, it's also amazing but when it comes to the facts, undisclosed blows it right out of the water!!!! in the tapes you can literally HEAR cops coaching jay lies, and the real reason Christina guiterrez never spoke to asia mcclain...everyone go listen, new episodes every tuesday
mrscupcakechic thanks for the info - I'm on the last episode of Serial and looking forward to hearing this other one!
+mrscupcakechic careful, it's not a continuation of serial. it's an examination of the evidence and more research done by 3 lawyers (one being robia) who find the prosecution's story to be questionable if not full of holes. they were very clear it does not have an affiliation with serial, though obviously sarah had an afiliation with robia who told her about the case
+mrscupcakechic Adnan def didn't do it. After listening to Undisclosed, my mind if blown.
+mrscupcakechic Thankyou did not know that.
+mrscupcakechic www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcastorigins/comments/3gxv4l/timeline_iii/
You should check out this timeline of events. I agreed with you, after i listened to undisclosed.. i was pretty sure he didnt do it...Was still on the fence somewhat though. but this timeline has Hae Min Lees actual words from her own diary... Makes you question everything.
Rest In Peace Hae Min Lee you will be missed
rip angel
Man, who would do this kind of thing to her?
R.I.P.
why do people think that this was filmed the day she died?
Episode 12 at 4:44, she says its the same day
Austin Childers thank you! how eerie
Austin Childers
The silly podcast says a lot of things. Doesn't make them accurate. The podcast has an agenda to spread bullshit. Anyone who thinks the piece of this boyfriend is innocent is an idiot. An easily led idiot who is living their life wrong. You was wasting your lives allowing the internet to become your brain...rather than letting it SUPPLEMENT your brain.
FuckYouGooglePlus lol neither my ideas about the case/podcast nor austins were expressed in any part of this comment thread.....u have no chill
Molly Sullivan
The fact that you wrote "u have no chill" is all I need to know to know that you are not worth my time. I only converse with intelligent adults. Not people who will remain burdens to society their entire lives.
So, this must have been filmed Jan 5, not 13.
My biggest problem with adnan's story is the fact he doesn't point the finger at Jay... if Jay didn't do it, how did he know so much? If adnan didn't do it, why is he not positive Jay did it? Also, under the laws of Islam, killing haye
lol dont bring islam into it bro, that's horseshit.
GalenAus Not really. It could be a contributing factor just like anything else.It was pretty obviously part of the state's angle... they just didn't say it outright.
@@GalenAus how about bring patriarchy in? Because most women die in the hands of a man they already know.
She's got hidden beauty .that's why guys loved her
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😭😢 such a beautiful soul how sick 😷 is one to do such Hanis crimes of taking her life. May a beautiful soul rest peacefully. And some day get justice served on her killer.💜
Spirit of the wolf Bush Wiccan Justice was served. Adnan is behind bars like he deserves to be.
Jada Smith thank goodness they finally got him . I hope he gets the death chair see how he likes it
Jada Smith so he finally Confessed I read somewhere where I thought that they had said they could not try him or hold him because of the fact that he would not confess to the crime. But I’m glad to see that he’s behind bars and I think he needs to be sentenced to death that way he can feel the pain that she felt when he senselessly took her wife poor girl and she was very pretty too. Had her whole life ahead of her and it was taken away. 😭
@@jada_smittyyy it wasnt even him girl know your facts
Wow.. So ironic that they happen to find her interview footage! Rest in Peace Hae min!⚘
Pray she gets proper justice.
Jay and Adnon both did it, but Adnon cant rat on Jay because then he'd have to admit he did it.
As simple as that, well put.
Why the tittle of this video is "RARE"!?
Candy Feliz because it was filmed about 1-7 days before she was murdered
i listened to the serial podcast when it was FIRST coming out, and i would anxiously wait every week for a new episode with updates and new information and man, it was a wild ride. it was truly an incredible podcast, super detailed and very interesting and i would recommend it to anyone. it was also an extremely tragic event, but i do believe adnan is innocent and i’m glad he’s getting a new trial. it’s horrible hae min lee was killed and i hope she gets the justice she deserves. i truly wish there was a button we could all push to go back to that day and find out what happened to her, and who the hell killed such an innocent girl. she was an amazing, smart, very caring individual who was loved by many. rest in peace, beautiful 🕊💔
sarcasticlilbitch 666 his trail was denied
Me too I think Adnan is innocent... And to me Jay is suspicious
Adnan is guilty as hell.
He's the only one with a clear motive, he wrote that he would kill her on the same breakup letter she sent him, his cellphone pinged the cell towers in the area where Hae Min Lee's body was found, other witnesses testified that they heard Adnan bragging about how he actually murdered someone with his bare hands, the mosque that Adnan attended collected about 80 signatures from members claiming that they witnessed Adnan at the mosque praying to Allah on the day of the murder yet Adnan himself refuted this narrative by claiming that he was at school during a track and field event, and none of the recently done DNA testing has proven anything since such evidence quickly degrades over time (especially when in this case, the evidence wasn't stored in a way that was conscious of DNA preservation).
Guys, this isn't a hard case when you know the full story and _why_ the jury, the court of appeals, and the supreme court ruled the way they did. The Serial Podcast slices and dices cases such as this and presents them in highly misleading ways to fool you into thinking that there was some sort of miscarriage of justice at hand. In reality, the Innocence Project is rallying for donations and giving the public the illusion that the organization is needed a lot more than they actually are.
How could this be the same day if she was allegedly murdered in the afternoon and at 0:14 it's dark.
shes very pretty
rip 🖤
I think Andan did it
If Adnan did it, how was he innocent the entire time?
R.I.P
i wish justice didn't botch her case and that trial so she could just rest in peace and her family could mourn her normally like any other family who lost their daughter. everyday must be just more salt on the wound for them. the true crime community and the internet can be vicious places. i have my doubts about that case, nothing 100%, but i still think she should at least be the main focus, and her family should be taken into consideration above everyone else.
i'm not religious but i'm sure she's watching over and protecting them, they'll meet again someday.
How was it botched? A jury heard all the facts that you know about and found her guilty.
@@jimcameron2511 juries get it wrong all the time. They're just ordinary people and people make mistakes.
So if this was shot on the same day she died, what time was it shot? Has anyone found that out? During school? After school?
Morning before school, is what some are thinking.
Around 6:50am it looks like. There is a clock on the wall 4 seconds in.
This was at night. Maybe on the 12th. There are people lined up in the gym and it would explain why she was with Don so late on the 12th
You're forgetting that Hae left a note to Don telling him that her interview went well on the 13th. It was found in her car.
Let's see the full interview. Why haven't they posted it?
Adnan is guilty and the only reason he can't or won't attack Jay's accusations is because he decided from the beginning to deny deny deny. If he implicates Jay and admits Jay helped him bury the body, then he has to admit his own guilt. If Jay made the whole thing up then it would mean Jay is guilty and had something to do with it: with no apparent motive. Adnan has the motive, not Jay.
thersten Facts??
Jacky Star FACT: he lied about trying to get a ride from her. 2 witnesses, not including Jay.
thersten i think jay did it because if i killed someone id tell everyone adnan did it so it looked like he did
One of Jays motives could have been to get Adnan out of the picture since he was so close to his then girlfriend Stefanie. They even won as a pair for their junior prom together.
@@palimdragonmaster3k I have no recollection of any of this. I can't remember anything about what I posted. nada. Zero. Zilch.
WMAR - I have seen no dates on or for this footage except what was reported in Serial from Hae's note. When (date and time of day) do your records indicate this was filmed and when and how many times did it air (as exact as you can provide)? I suspect this was NOT filmed nor aired the day of her death, but at least the day before if not two days before. I believe these are important facts to the case.
This is the sameday she went missing
Nope. It was aired the day she went missing.
She would of already worked at her dream jobs, Raising teenagers by now or college kids... traveling and looking forward to her middle age ...RIP
The time shown on the clock doesn't match the timeline of Hae's last known whereabouts. That seems odd. Could it have taken place on another day?
Adnan is 100% guilty. His cell phone pinged near her body, his friend confirmed seeing her body in his trunk, there's no other suspect, and the sisters of the only person to corroborate Adnan's fake alibi said their sister explicitly said she'd lie to exonerate Adnan. Put this piece of garbage back in jail. Way to get a murder free, Serial. Doofuses.
RIP
Rest In Peace Hae 🌹🌹
I believe adnon is innocent, I think they should look at the striker that found hae's body and jay because I think jay knows who did it, but doesn't want to say.
Jay has good reason not to say. If he said anything, he'd probably end up in Leakin' Park too.
+Zainaba Sow Because the good lady in the podcast inconspicuously suggested you so.. Make up your own mind, willya.. Jay came to confess on his own, and the the culprit stayed with him the whole day. Jay didn't have a beef with her, the dude he was hanging out with had... No need to be Sherlock to break open this case.
@@ArunKumar-nc4vy he didnt have to have beef. Couldve been something as simple as he wanted her.. Knew the only way was to assault her. He had adnans car + phone. Easy to not only trick her but pin it on adnan.
Jay knew where her car was and that she was strangled. Whatever theory you have must include Jay for him to know these two vital details.
It was Jay
EXACTLY
misterightnow both actually
Jay knew where the car was and he knew she was strangled. So Jay is for sure in this deeply. However, Adnan would be calling him out and pointing the finger at Jay if it were just him. It was both of them but yes I think Jay had much more involvement than he confessed to.
I honestly agree
You see pictures but its not the same as seeing this fully fleshed, beautiful young women wgo really could have done anything. An immigrant. Judging by her writing she was pretty smart. I 100% believe they got the right guy when arresting Adnan. He killed her. He was mad. He felt betrayed. His ego was bruised. Nobody else had this emotional motive to murder Hae Mjn Lee the way Adnan did. Its obvious to me
JAY IS NOT INNOCENT
thank you he is clearly lying
He is the only one that had all the pieces and went around implicating Adnan. I surely wouldn't take a murder charge over a weed charge. Doesn't sound believable at all.
😢
What a stupid, long-ass outro.
This actually sad she didn’t get the justices police failed her and adnan
Think he killed her. He turned down the plea of 4 more years without an alfred plea vs spending the rest of his life in prison. He lied to his mother during his teenage days and was secretive, just to not hurt her feelings/be innocent in her eyes.
If he takes the plea, he will be out of jail in 4 years, but will have to risk being looked at differently under his parents and family's eyes, especially after all the effort and faith they put into his innocence.
So, I believe he has no problem staying in jail because he knows he did the crime. He rather be in jail, falsly claiming to be an innocent man than be out in the world, labeled as guilty, which he is.
i cant attest to the guilt or innocence being why he decided to stay in jail, but i dont think him lying to his mother about having a girlfriend is proof of his secrecy. my sister lied to my parents about her boyfriend because they didnt want her dating until she was 16. everyone with strict parents lies, it doesnt mean that theyre suited to kill someone
Or…he turned it down because he’s actually not guilty, and doesn’t want that Alfred plea on his record, making him a criminal for the rest of his life. He wants actual exoneration.
Especially now that we know for sure there were two other suspects who were not investigated at all.
Your logic isn't logical..I wouldn't admit to a murder I didn't commit just to get less time when the person that was murdered is someone I cared about. A murderer doesn't have a guilty conscience.
Nah . He was prepared to be in . He just had to kill her coz he loved her too much to see her sleep w another man. Now seeing her letters on Don in UA-cam would certainly assure him he did the right thing to kill
I've always known strangulation to be an up close and personal murder technique. Someone that was really angry and wanted to watch her die or they had done something they needed to cover-up quickly. Who did the DNA implicate?
No DNA required if someone is holding her and Adnan strangled
this was taped the same day she disappeared....so creepy and sad
no it wasnt
so who killed Hae?!?!
Jay
ADNAN
Jay
I say Jay but I don't think they found out for certain
UPDATE: He's Free
Did anyone look into the person who recorded her on this? After all this was the day she was killed! I can't find any information about him.
Joanne Davis according to the undisclosed podcast, this video was shot the week before she died on Jan 5.
This couldve also brought attention to her to any predator watching. 🤷🏻 they knew what school she went to. Easy to stalk + capture.
Poor girl, her killer got off like OJ
Rest in peace. They got the right guy.
Yeah, like you know.
They sure did
People are getting dumber by the day.
Adnan Syed placed his hands around this poor girl's neck and squeezed the life out of her.
You don't know shit.
clearly Floyd never saw any podcasts
No, I've never seen a podcast in my life. This is most likely due to the fact that it is not a visual medium.
What else you got?
Read Jay's 2nd interview transcripts. it's super obvious the cops are telling him what to say
You mean to tell me that the guy who planned and helped carry out the murder didn't want to implicate himself as an accessory to murder before the fact... and so he didn't correct the police when they were trying to pin it all on Syed?
Stop the presses!
she is pretty yes. but it's sad to think if she wasn't 'pretty' people wouldn't care as much
This is so depressing 😖
Adnan and jay know who did it its obvious
maureen nyarko knows he’ll they did it
I think they both did it together
This is very sad. Girls of this size watching this...LEARN BJJ. Brazilian jujitsu.
When did the interview air? Is it possible some sicko watched it and now knows what school she goes to and can look up her schedule Bc she explained her activities? They went up to the school and watched and followed her then figured out a way to get her out of her car and harm her and that jay guy later heard about it and he implicated adnan Bc he knew him and if he had implicated the true killer someone he’s more threatened by? It’s very possible. There’s literally no dna evidence linking adnan to the murder and the only thing they’re going on is jays story which has many holes in it. Also, jays is known to be a liar and make up things even in his own lie. Did they ever do a psychological evaluation on the witness or a character evaluation?
Wasn’t worth doing 22 years for
R.I.P
RIP