K-Silver JH16 modules in depth
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
- Hey everyone just sharing my thoughts on the Ksilver JH16 modules.
00:00 Intro
00:06 Sticks used by price segment
02:56 Ksilver Web info
04:09 Alps internal
04:53 FvorUnion entry level sticks internal
05:59 C&K & FavorUnion highest model
06:32 Alps-FavorUnon & C&K Tact switches
07:01 Ksilver JH16 internal
08:33 Springs comparison
09:10 Ksilver used in different price segments
10:59 My experience so far with JH16
13:25 Outro
#halleffect #gamesirg7se #procontroller - Ігри
Perfect video of content and visuality...again! Congrats❗ Your channel is a must watch for every controller player⭐
Thanks bro, really appreciate the support!
Dude - I hope you reach the millions of subscribers. Your content is top notch.
Bro thank you so much, currently I'm looking at that 10k goal, and definitely taking it more seriously. Really appreciate all the support!
Man i wish the Nacon revolution had symmetrical sticks i would've bought it.
Thanks for another good and informative video😊 i see on my G7se that i have some minor drift on my right stick already, probably due to sliding prone etc in cod, so i have now changed that to one of the additional buttons😅
Hey if its bad you can adjust the centre point by manual calibration so lower deadzones will avoid it.
K-silver should have use a thicker and a stronger material for the spring.
They maybe worry about the stick tension but theirs is still a lot less than normal alps stick despite very similar set up so could totally change out for a better spring and problem solved.
So I was able to put the alps spring inside the JH16, but the result was a bad one as alps spring is a bit taller. I do think we can change the spring if we can find a right size one. I think now that they’ve managed to get so much business, we might see modules with different strengths from different makers using Ksilver sticks. I haven’t come across anyone with a broken spring yet and definitely testing the longevity on my G7se with kontrolfreeks to see how long it’ll last.
I have x2 dualsense controllers from early 2021 so they're the launch models and recently one of them got awful drift 16/12 % errors on L/R sticks with the left stick pegged to the far left. The other controller is about 6% error on both sticks and is still usable. I'm going to clean them both with some wd40 electronic spray and only use them for games that actually take advantage of the dualsense haptic rumble feature really well which at this point is probably only a couple games you can count on one hand.
I just recently got the G7 SE and it's crazy how good this controller is for less than $50. I seriously do not understand how Sony for example can charge $200 for their edge controller with regular pot sticks that drift in no time, then they sell $20 stick replacements that aren't even in stock. I would have ponied up the money for the edge controller if it had hall sensors but nah. I paid $200 for a HE 75% keyboard and they want to sell me a controller for $200 that using the same sticks a regular dualsense ships with, that's insane.
I think once Alps release their own HE modules, that’s when Sony will implement those. Getting Sony to use ditch a Japanese supplier for a Chinese one might be difficult, although they’ve worked with Favorunion in the past, so it might happen they use one of their modules. The question is how long it’ll take for Microsoft and Sony to implement these.
Also I've been using the g7se with one tall one short skull and co thumbcaps no problems at all with the sticks they are sharp and accurate still
Hey man any idead how many hours you've used your G7se for?
Not much maybe 45 max I only got it a couple months ago still seems really quality though 🤷♂️ been playing cod mostly
@@PassBluntBoss thanks for the info, mine is over 150 hour mark and still performing well. I’m very interested to see what the failure will be, either the resin shaft, spring, magnets or the sensors.
@@thephototechyI have had the Gamesir g7 se since the begin of mw3. I have a about 35 days on the game wich is about 840 hours. Im on a 3 deadzone with basicly no drift. The sticks feel very lose tho, and precision rings dont work well on the game. I think the spring will give up first of everything.
@@KadovDroft bro thanks a lot for sharing this, these are definitely some impressive numbers there. Did you use any kontrolfreeks or any other thumb grips?
I have both turtle beach ultra and g7 se. I can honestly say the turtle beach is more accurate but g7 se feels more responsive. I'm a crimson in rank by the way
I have the G7 SE and can't go back to other controllers on console.
Thank you bro I've been wanting to know more about ksilver since it's in my gamesir your the best also do you know when or what the next gamesir nexus update will be?
You are welcome bro, not sure when they are going to update nexus and what features they are thinking of adding.
@@thephototechy dang the suspense is killing me already 😵🤣
nice vid, so jh16 is the best now?
are you gonna get apex 4? the reviews said is solid control very goood for aim
Hey so initially I was worried about JH16 as they are being used in very affordable,and also in very expensive controllers. I can personally say that I’m not that concerned about them anymore after seeing how they’ve been made.
Apex 4 sticks look truly amazing and I definitely want to check it out, but currently I’m on console only. I’m trying my best to build a pc but I need to build a small form factor one, and they get really expensive for a normal build. Once I do get a pc then yes I’ll be definitely testing all those amazing controllers, until then only licensed Xbox controllers.
Test controller : flydigi vader 3 pro Hall effect sticks. Thks.
Hey trying my best to get a gaming pc, once I do then definitely will be trying all those amazing controllers.
@@thephototechy I have a gaming pc and currently play games with the gamesir s7. I am very happy with the controller which I bought again after yours. But the flydigi vader 3 pro seems to me to be a better controller than the gamesir because it has 4 paddles and mouse click buttons. But I don't know what the quality is so I'm waiting for a few reviews before I buy it.
The G7 SE has a super floaty feel from the software smoothing, but so does the standard XBOX controller. I'm a fan of the feel of the modules, and the resolution, but not the software smoothing.
Do you have raw mode turned on or off
@Almightydubzz tried both. Raw mode isn't actually raw. It just boosts the analogs output and adds a slightly squared outer deadzone.
Hey so HE sticks do feel a bit different and I have to say if it wasn't for the 1000hz I'd still be using the EswapX over it. In my latency tests G7se only get competitive in 1000hz and it's towards the slower side in 250hz. Personally I've grown to like that lose equal tension of the Ksilver sticks, but the Favorunion and C&K can feel better.
If you find G7se still a bit hesitant, then try using xbox plastic replacement thumbsticks, the shaft is thicker and once calibrated to them the G7se reduces the resolution from .56 per increment to .78, this can give you a quicker response per increment and makes the controller feel a bit different. I've started using the normal sticks again as I can keep the deadzones to 1 in game, and all my drift is towards the bottom which I personally prefer.
have you seen the new joysticks on the flydigi apex 4? those are very different and have much less friction. it uses a completely different tension system.
Hey yes they do look amazing, I'm hoping to get a gaming pc soon and will start reviewing those amazing controllers as well.
Great content! Could you put all the resources website? I want to look at it more depth
thank you, bro I've been wanting to know more about internal ksilver jh16, my thunderobot g45 pro stills uses jh16 joystick , now they are broken, so can i replace them with ps5 joystick? i look forward to hearing from you.
Hello, when will there be a review of the new Victrix Pro controller for Xbox? Regards and thanks for everything.
Hey bro still contemplating getting that controller, not fully convinced if I want to add it to my collection. i'm kinda divided between getting that or a daily driver for my PS5. the polling rate has me worried a bit but I do love the BFG design.
do you get stick drift on the g7 se when trying to put the stick in its original place at 0.02 at 500hz?
Hey so any controller with even a little game time won’t come back to the exact centre value of 0.00002, unless there are some deadzones used. Mine has a slop and stays with 3-4% register and that’s actually a very good result.
Hey do you think the gullkit hall effect sticks are better than the JH16?
Hey I haven't tried the Gulikit yet but on paper they do look amazing, specially their claim of really high resolution. I'm hoping to get a gaming PC and start testing all these amaizng controllers.
my victrix gambit has gotten worse and now has what i would call extreme stick malfunction/jitter.... or some other issue.... somehow using my left stick also affects the jitter or "ghost movements" of the the right stick. have you seen this before?
Hey bro, so I’ve seen those jitters on my well used unit at times, but doing the calibration helped a lot. Over time the potentiometer sticks do lose tension as the wiper and track gets old.
One way to see your issue would be a circularity test, it should be higher than 8-9% but doing the calibration should bring it down to 8-9%. The ghost movement of the right stick is very strange indeed as sounds like some of internal issue. Is the movement so high that it’s picked up in game as well? Or is it just shown whilst testing on the web?
Seems the problem had to do with the "wiper and track" thing on the side of the potentiometer u mentioned. So thanks for the tip. I took a knife and pried the tops of the orange square plastic pieces away from the module, recalibrated, and its back down to normal smooth inputs with 9.8%ish circularity. Perfect deadzones, and no jitter....... Before I tried prying that orange piece, I had tried recalibrating a bunch of times with no effect.
So I'm assuming that piece is just wore to much or perhaps it had debree in it? And prying it away created a new path of connection (temporarily I assume)? The top of the orange plastic I pried isnt even close to being fully against the module so Idk how its even working but it is... As far as how the left stick input was affecting the right, I have no idea. But like u said, maybe that was only happening in gpt for some reason? I didnt get to see if it was in game, but it was pretty dramatic in gpt. Moving the left stick would move the right like a 1/5th way to full lock
I love your review but I think there's a controller you're missing out on i.e 8bitdo ultimate controller the 2.4ghz with hall effect sticks... Please I'll be very happy if you do a review
Hey thanks for letting me know, yes I'll be getting that when its available for xbox in April.
@@thephototechyalright. Thanks 😊
I think all sticks that are yellow inside are not comparable to the durability of the alps
I got the thrustmaster e swap x and after 1 year, my left stick registers an completely diagonal 100% input, so my character is always running to the right
Also on the victrix sometimes I read people complaining that their right stick is getting input by moving the LEFT stick
Those are things that I’ve never heard from the green/blue alp sticks that are basically used in all ps4/ps5/edge controllers, all my PlayStation controllers that I’ve had always develop drift over months/years, yeah, but I’ve never had one case where it makes the stick unusable
do you know how many clicks can survive those back buttons on G7 SE?
Hey so they are using normal tact switches and they can vary in cycle ratings from 100k to 2m. I havent seen anywhere a mention of the cycle rating on G7se but do hope its longer life ones. I've been using mine a lot and i'm very intense with them, so if they are cheaper ones I'll definitely be braking them soon lol
can you make a video on the game sir t4 kaleid ?
Hey I’d love to but currently I’m on console only. I have plans to get a gaming pc so I can start reviewing other controllers as well.
Does the Vader 3 Pro use K-Silver JH16 ?
can jh 16 be used in dualsock 4?
Hey I haven’t seen anyone who’s tried that yet. Also I think getting JH16 on their own is a bit tough. JH13, ginful and favorunion have one as well that I’ve seen people use in first party Sony controllers.
@@thephototechy can you please tell me the best hall effect sticks for ds 4? What about new Gulikit one(red ones with black writing on them)
I could be lost in translation, but was he saying the C&K were cheaper compared to the Ksilver JH16?
@@EricTheButcher hey bro, C&K are exactly like the higher models of the favorunion ones. I’m not sure about the price, but usually all the cheap licensed controllers use favorunion’s cheaper sticks and we are seeing Ksilver JH16 being used even in cheaper controllers and really expensive controllers. There is another potential reason for this as well, and it might be that licensed controllers have to use the JH16, as none so far have used any other Hall effect from Gulikit and Favorunion. For the instance I was hoping the 8bitdo ultimate Xbox HE would use Gulikit like their previous version, but it’s using Ksilver JH16 as well, so definitely seems like an embargo sort of situation where licensed Xbox and Sony controllers only have Ksilver JH16 so far.