Existe una grabación mas reciente, con la Orquesta de la Universidad Michoacana dirigida por Mario Rodríguez Taboada, muy buena también, aunque la grabación que aquí se presenta es una referencia muy importante. ua-cam.com/video/xJPLhrwODXQ/v-deo.html
@@glaucon7337 You may or may not have studied orchestration, in which case when Chinese say "you should not make the obvious a subject of discussion" it becomes so obvious, even the deaf can hear it. Miguel Jimenez was a beacon in writing religious music in Mexico and I applaud that. Writing for the orchestra wasn't his "thing" as this so blatantly demonstrates. There.........satisfied ?
@@r.alonso7286 Wow! That's a fantastic question. There is of course the matter of personal preferences, what works for some people doesn't necessarily work for others. The rudiments and theory of music will give a very basic outline of traditional orchestration. But the key is combination of instrumentation. Ravel is probably a great starting point towards good 20th orchestration. Mahler for late 19th/early 20th. Schubert & Schumann for 19th and of course Mozart for 18th. Look at how he orchestrates the last movement of the Jupiter symphony, it's incredibly advanced. The most advanced is of course is J.S. Bach. But he wrote very little orchestral music considering his huge output. However his basics of composition are of paramount importance. "Bad" orchestration is largely unknown in today's concert halls and recordings, simply because those works haven't survived the test of time. But "poor" orchestration is evident in Chopin's Piano concerto's. Beethoven's choral works (apart from the 9th symphony) aren't exactly mind blowing and some would say Debussy wasn't very good at it either. But the question you ask is a huge one with many answers involving: harmonic ranges, doubling, inappropriate synchronization etc etc. A vast subject. But thanks for asking me.
Oh, by the way, if you want to see some fantastic orchestration check this out. Carl Nielsen's Symphony No 1. This is traditional orchestration at it's finest (in my opinion). Rarely played today but when you read the score, Nielsen totally uses all the armory that a symphony orchestra contains to astonishing effect. Hope you enjoy. ua-cam.com/video/1-dQVzqRzOQ/v-deo.html&ab_channel=BartjeBartmans Best regards David A.
Sorry, no hurtfeelings but a less inspired piece. Patriotic indeed, but the boundaries, do not cross the limits of good intentions. I´ll try to listen to other pieces of this composer.
Existe una grabación mas reciente, con la Orquesta de la Universidad Michoacana dirigida por Mario Rodríguez Taboada, muy buena también, aunque la grabación que aquí se presenta es una referencia muy importante.
ua-cam.com/video/xJPLhrwODXQ/v-deo.html
Ésta pieza sinfónica dedicada a un héroe debe interpretarse con más frecuencia
Me recuerda a Silvestre Revueltas
a mí también...
Eran amigos.... Bernal se encontraba a Revueltas tirado de borracho y lo llevaba a su casa.
I really can't say anything positive about this composition.
Then state the negative, otherwise clarify the point of your nonsensical comment.
@@glaucon7337 You may or may not have studied orchestration, in which case when Chinese say "you should not make the obvious a subject of discussion" it becomes so obvious, even the deaf can hear it.
Miguel Jimenez was a beacon in writing religious music in Mexico and I applaud that. Writing for the orchestra wasn't his "thing" as this so blatantly demonstrates.
There.........satisfied ?
Just out of curiosity, what is the difference between a good and a bad orchestration? Greetings.
@@r.alonso7286 Wow! That's a fantastic question. There is of course the matter of personal preferences, what works for some people doesn't necessarily work for others.
The rudiments and theory of music will give a very basic outline of traditional orchestration. But the key is combination of instrumentation. Ravel is probably a great starting point towards good 20th orchestration. Mahler for late 19th/early 20th. Schubert & Schumann for 19th and of course Mozart for 18th. Look at how he orchestrates the last movement of the Jupiter symphony, it's incredibly advanced.
The most advanced is of course is J.S. Bach. But he wrote very little orchestral music considering his huge output. However his basics of composition are of paramount importance.
"Bad" orchestration is largely unknown in today's concert halls and recordings, simply because those works haven't survived the test of time. But "poor" orchestration is evident in Chopin's Piano concerto's. Beethoven's choral works (apart from the 9th symphony) aren't exactly mind blowing and some would say Debussy wasn't very good at it either.
But the question you ask is a huge one with many answers involving: harmonic ranges, doubling, inappropriate synchronization etc etc. A vast subject. But thanks for asking me.
Oh, by the way, if you want to see some fantastic orchestration check this out. Carl Nielsen's Symphony No 1. This is traditional orchestration at it's finest (in my opinion). Rarely played today but when you read the score, Nielsen totally uses all the armory that a symphony orchestra contains to astonishing effect. Hope you enjoy.
ua-cam.com/video/1-dQVzqRzOQ/v-deo.html&ab_channel=BartjeBartmans
Best regards
David A.
Sorry, no hurtfeelings but a less inspired piece. Patriotic indeed, but the boundaries, do not cross the limits of good intentions. I´ll try to listen to other pieces of this composer.