@@brockjomant2047just shows how much space there is out there for the camels to roam in and trash; and only when conditions dictate do they come in contact with people.
I'm surprised to see that comment repeated so many times. I thought it was common knowledge how much of a pest they are. Interesting that the media obviously are not doing the job that Jack is doing.
Man, your ammo supplier must have a cashgasm whenever you walk through the door lol. Im astounded at the numbers of camels youre having to deal with. Like bloody great rabbits!!!
Hi Jack, it’s wonderful to see Danny he is such a quiet person hasn’t got much to say, but when he does, it’s pretty positive , wonderful to see first nation, person work hard they are very good workers on cattle stations. Anyway keep up the good work. Love the videos Cliff from over in Logan city Queensland, Australia
Yes , I agree , it's a bonus when Danny shows up in the videos. Try and get him to open up a bit Jack (not that you haven't) , I for one would like to hear more of what he has to say !!
Great video jack I really do sympathise with you the expense and time you have to take to deal with camels all come at great cost to you! I can’t get over them not just galloping into the bush when you start shooting
You have SO many feral camels! The numbers are insane. Is there any way you could round them up, like maybe with a chopper or trucks so that you would have more animals contained to dispatch? I feel for you man!
Its currently today 41 , tomorrow will be 42 , Saturday will be 42 , then it will be mid 29's until next friday and Sat over 40 . Stay cool like ice in your approach Jack and Danny .
Some future archaeologist is going to find those cases and have to explain to his students that "This is what we used to have to use to control wild camels before we got the orbital lasers set up".
You get far enough and you can hear the bullet cutting the air. We were sniper qualifying on an adjacent range once and somebody called us on the comms and asked if we were firing rockets.
Rockets have nothing at all to do with the sound of Bullets and you made it all up and like many want to gain attention by claiming to be military. I often had stood behind Hugh Douglass fir trees and the target was 20 feet away as my father fired a 7 mm Rem mag at the target with only the bang from the rifle sound. We did this so we didn't have to walk 100x yards to check where the bullets hit
yikes!! 40c I would die, I have hunted -40c and that is not pleasant, but you can always put another layer on, but you can only get so naked :). Is the trouble with camels seasonal like when the summer is dry they get attracted to the water, or is it a longer cycle linked to how much rain is in the desert? I thought it was dry and tough to make a living here(southern Alberta) for the farmers (I am a city boy) how often do you get rain there. I am a little surprised you are getting pass-throughs with the 308, those animals don't look small.
Another great video. Were you shooting in day or night mode. I find with my Wraith that day mode works in all conditions except for when there is no sunlight at all. Haven't tried my Pard under the same conditions yet.
Hi Jack. Would you have had a clearer scope image if you had been in day colour mode? Just curious to know if the Pard was better in that mode for the time of day. Are you able to slick up the feeding on the AIA? Its painful to the watch the struggle to cycle it. Great channel, appreciate the peep into station life and day to day slog. Cheers.
Good Shooting, Great Video's. Thank you so much for bringing us along and explaining what you're having to deal with. Are you aloud to Re-load your own ammo?
Did some digging into Australian gun and suppressor laws. Seems possible you would be able to get a suppressor for your line of work. Looks like a blast to apply and get approval but maybe worth the effort??? Here in the states we have to wait quite a long time. 13 months for my first one and 8 months for my second one. Plus $200 tax stamp on top of the outrageous price of the suppressors to begin with.
I don't know how reloading is for you but a #4 mark one with stripper clips loaded with 200 grain cast might be a good option, definitely feed better and whole lot more economical
I’m guessing it’s because they don’t realize they’re in danger. They don’t know what a gun is, and they don’t connect the loud bang way over there with their friend suddenly deciding to take a nap. Rabbits and rats don’t run, either, as their friends get blown away beside them. Some camels do run around, probably out of confusion, but they certainly don’t run like feral hogs, which are smart and run like hell.
Jack I have not seen many videos on wild dogs out your way. Is this because you dont have many or not been able to get them on film. I know that the stations closer to Wiluna have a wild dog problem.
You are missing one. The natural reactions are fight, flight, or freeze. Rabbits commonly use the freeze response letting their fur camouflage them into their surroundings, letting the danger pass by unawares.
I would say that they are good quality scopes, and are easy enough to use, I would be tempted to try out one of their thermal, and maybe even a multispectral, but I would prefer some slightly lower magnification, but it all comes down to your use case. I haven't spent enough time at night with it to give a full opinion.
@@jack_out_the_back Thanks very much, I appreciate the feedback on your experience with these scopes. A mate just purchased a Pulsar Thermion, but I don't see that as a viable option given the initial outlay. I'm thinking something like the PARD will do just fine. Cheers mate, good hunting.
Damn , i love to watching you and Danny shoot those things .. ( Camels , Donkeys, Horse's ,Dogs and anything else that's not suppost to be there .the shot and them the Whap !!! Does Danny fly around with you ? Ya'll make one hell of a good team .. Thanks , See Ya
Loving ur channel mate an been watching for a while now and first time commenting just to both encourage u guys an to feed the algorithm 👌 1 question tho y do u wear gloves when u shoot is it habit from ur military days or another reason as I personally like to “feel” the trigger?? Not a criticism maybe I’m just a dumbass 😁 Stay safe mate an thanks for ur service I truly appreciate it👌
Some are used for pet food, some are good for a couple of steaks, and some are buzzard food. I don’t think he has the ability to even begin to think about harvesting any of those animals, he’s culling them.
Jack you must have shot thousands of camels by now. Curious to know if this equals hundreds more cattle you can carry on the property. Or it doesn't quite balance out like that? Cheers Scott
Don't know how your optics are aligned with the trigger cam , but I would hope that the center body mass is what you're aiming for , flinchy camera shots can be deceptive but stop aiming for the head and save ammo that probably costs more than the firearm
I've heard shot goats on the run at 400m. This guy is shooting way more than I do and the recoil of that rifle will never allow for a kill shot view. Culling animals is not hunting. 60 goats in two days on foot for my brother and I. We just didn't take enough ammo. We needed hundreds of rounds. We only missed 3 shots. In that trip. This guy is amazing at his job
You understand that this channel is for his property and overall work that he does. It’s not a shooting camel only channel. Unfortunately guns recoil. He is in the middle of nowhere so it’s not like a mate can pop over and help him film.
I was interested in watching this but the camera worked sucked. It doesn't do it much good at all to have a gun camera on a bolt action cuz a shot was fired and the camera jumped all around when the bolt was worked.
betting a mob that big could drain the water trough and the reservoir, after that the well pump would not be able to keep up. 46c geez that is heat stroke temps. do take care.
From what I’ve seen it’s about 1 bullet per camel. Every now and then he may take a second or third if the first one wasn’t effective. But a lot of the time his second or third is to be humane. Camels are a large animal so sometimes they need two shots. However Jack is not missing many shots at all. Even though you may think so.
The way that the government regulations on firearms licensing needs to be removed because the way things are going at present there's going to be another war shortly and where in the past most people in Australia new how to shoot now we only have a small number of people who know how to shoot.
Shame your government don't offer any help! They just keep on collecting their taxes! You clearly need better tools to do the job. Fascinating channel who knew farming in the 21st century could be so tough.
You need a thermal scope , whats a rough cull count for 2023 ? Its a wonder how you find the hours in a day to look after the cattle , with all the feral animals you need to deal with. I watched a video only yesterday how China buys allot donkey skins and uses them for beauty products, its a shame its not the same for camels . You'd be a millionaire several times over
What an absolute pest those 🐫 are. You spend so much time culling them, taking you away from every other job that needs to be done on the station. Also, they're depriving your livestock of precious food and water.
Why the hell am I watching a camel-killer for? A guy who goes out killing camels on his hobby farm, I must be nuts watching this! How did I end up here?
@@gary2741I was trolling UA-cam and encountered Camel-Killer with shock not awe. I thought he's a moron with a gun! Goes and kills everything, he even shot a pair of donkeys (he would've shot a drove of em easy) So pest control?? Is just a royal excuse for his psychotic-psychopathic fetish. Yeah okay, I'm a city boy, a Winjin Pom here in UK, Yeah, Camel-Killers property is what? 50 or 100 square miles? Enough living space for a 100 camels to live on I would've thought! And what damage are 2 donkeys gonna do? Nah...he just loves killing stuff...Moron with a gun gotta shoot stuff and thats it! Also hes a sloppy shot! Not many one-shot-one-kill with this eejit! He leaves wounded camels hobbling around in agony and has to "finish them off" hes a nob!
Dude, invest in a cameraman. Many may like seeing your visor as you shoot but not me. Rifle recoil isn’t that much fun to watch especially with sketchy firearms either. Sorry, can’t watch this poor channel.
You think he has a spare $80k a year to ‘invest’ in a cameraman? You are an idiot. He is doing his best to document his life on a very remote working cattle station. Why do idiots like you need to offer ridiculous advice and then tell everyone that you are ‘out’. If you don’t like it then don’t watch it. There is no need to call someone out who is working his arse off with his normal work but also trying his best to show everyone what it’s like. So piss off and keep your ill informed advice to yourself.
Danny is an awesome ranch hand, quiet, hard working, trustworthy and gets the job done no matter what the task is.
I can't believe there's this many wild camels running around, insane!
I was thinking same dam thing! How in the hell has he not put a dent in the population is crazy
@@brockjomant2047just shows how much space there is out there for the camels to roam in and trash; and only when conditions dictate do they come in contact with people.
There a couple of million
More camels wild in oz than rest of world put together, wild camels
I'm surprised to see that comment repeated so many times. I thought it was common knowledge how much of a pest they are. Interesting that the media obviously are not doing the job that Jack is doing.
Man, your ammo supplier must have a cashgasm whenever you walk through the door lol. Im astounded at the numbers of camels youre having to deal with. Like bloody great rabbits!!!
Camel Carnage! Brilliant! :) You have taught me more about distance shooting than anyone. This channel is very educational. Thank you!
Good on jack . Tell it like it is and the sooner people will wake up to the reality of farming in the center !👍😁
great shooting as always, thanks for taking us along, love the footage!
Hi Jack, it’s wonderful to see Danny he is such a quiet person hasn’t got much to say, but when he does, it’s pretty positive , wonderful to see first nation, person work hard they are very good workers on cattle stations. Anyway keep up the good work. Love the videos Cliff from over in Logan city Queensland, Australia
Yes , I agree , it's a bonus when Danny shows up in the videos. Try and get him to open up a bit Jack (not that you haven't) , I for one would like to hear more of what he has to say !!
Settle down Danny! Your vivacious personallity is highjacking the video! :)
Great improvement with the scope footage! The cull is a necessary task- well done!
It would be interesting to have you interview Danny about his upbringing and family. He seems to be a quiet, hard working and dependable fellow.
Every one needs a mate like Danny top bloke
Great video jack I really do sympathise with you the expense and time you have to take to deal with camels all come at great cost to you! I can’t get over them not just galloping into the bush when you start shooting
You have SO many feral camels! The numbers are insane. Is there any way you could round them up, like maybe with a chopper or trucks so that you would have more animals contained to dispatch? I feel for you man!
Any 2 for one shots among the crowd,they certainly are in numbers mate 👍
Brilliant shooting mate….. you know youve hit em when you hear the “pop!”🍺💪💪👍
Its currently today 41 , tomorrow will be 42 , Saturday will be 42 , then it will be mid 29's until next friday and Sat over 40 . Stay cool like ice in your approach Jack and Danny .
Ah, that satisfying thwack when metal greets meat.
Well done that man.
Man 400 rnds aren't enough, you hear that and consider that 240 rnds of 5.56 is a realistic loadout for an infantryman.
Yair, yet trying to convince the politicians that good automatic weapons with excellent sights are required is still like pushing shit-up-a-hill.
Looks like it'll never happen. How did Australia fill up with so many softees so fast. I blame Air conditioning@@chartphred1
@@roryhennessey1983aye aircon has done it 😂
Looks like you have that Pard dialed in good. 👍
I can imagine the hauling them away from a water source/tank/trough. Good health and stay cool.
Good Morning, I didn't see a plan to turn more rich the grass and threes, the farm have one?
What is your total camel harvest for December and january
Some future archaeologist is going to find those cases and have to explain to his students that "This is what we used to have to use to control wild camels before we got the orbital lasers set up".
One question , Why do you not get closer ??
You get far enough and you can hear the bullet cutting the air. We were sniper qualifying on an adjacent range once and somebody called us on the comms and asked if we were firing rockets.
Rockets have nothing at all to do with the sound of Bullets and you made it all up and like many want to gain attention by claiming to be military.
I often had stood behind Hugh Douglass fir trees and the target was 20 feet away as my father fired a 7 mm Rem mag at the target with only the bang from the rifle sound.
We did this so we didn't have to walk 100x yards to check where the bullets hit
Are thermal scopes legal to use in this situation? The thermalfootage would be cool to watch!
yikes!! 40c I would die, I have hunted -40c and that is not pleasant, but you can always put another layer on, but you can only get so naked :).
Is the trouble with camels seasonal like when the summer is dry they get attracted to the water, or is it a longer cycle linked to how much rain is in the desert?
I thought it was dry and tough to make a living here(southern Alberta) for the farmers (I am a city boy) how often do you get rain there.
I am a little surprised you are getting pass-throughs with the 308, those animals don't look small.
You certainly have your work cut out jack, with those camels, great vid
Another great video. Were you shooting in day or night mode. I find with my Wraith that day mode works in all conditions except for when there is no sunlight at all. Haven't tried my Pard under the same conditions yet.
Hi Jack. Would you have had a clearer scope image if you had been in day colour mode? Just curious to know if the Pard was better in that mode for the time of day.
Are you able to slick up the feeding on the AIA? Its painful to the watch the struggle to cycle it.
Great channel, appreciate the peep into station life and day to day slog. Cheers.
I think you're right about that. Colour mode at dawn/dusk twilight tends to be better than The NV mode with my DS35 at least
Hay jack is this what you use foe your nighttime shooting? perfer it over a thermal??
I like the thermal, I just haven't fitted it up to the 308. I've been using it on the 223 and it's incredible
@@jack_out_the_back nice mate what model is it?
@@djdanzy I'm using a pixfra Chiron 650 at the moment.
Good Shooting, Great Video's.
Thank you so much for bringing us along and explaining what you're having to deal with.
Are you aloud to Re-load your own ammo?
Thank you
What do u spend on ammo a month ?,pls i need to know,its definitely nit cheap
Did some digging into Australian gun and suppressor laws. Seems possible you would be able to get a suppressor for your line of work. Looks like a blast to apply and get approval but maybe worth the effort??? Here in the states we have to wait quite a long time. 13 months for my first one and 8 months for my second one. Plus $200 tax stamp on top of the outrageous price of the suppressors to begin with.
Not able to get suppressors in Western Australia unfortunately. They also don't believe that they would assist with the job we do...
I don't know how reloading is for you but a #4 mark one with stripper clips loaded with 200 grain cast might be a good option, definitely feed better and whole lot more economical
Maybe you've addressed this already, however would you mind answering this question; why don't the camels run from you when the shooting starts?
I’m guessing it’s because they don’t realize they’re in danger. They don’t know what a gun is, and they don’t connect the loud bang way over there with their friend suddenly deciding to take a nap. Rabbits and rats don’t run, either, as their friends get blown away beside them. Some camels do run around, probably out of confusion, but they certainly don’t run like feral hogs, which are smart and run like hell.
let's gooo a new vid love it!
You noted that the 150 grain go right through them maybe a different bullet would have more knockdown effect. Either way great final product
You should run trips to do this looks so fun
Do you have a magazine capacity limit in WA?
Good job👍much rain around Australia Day at Prenti?
Jack I have not seen many videos on wild dogs out your way. Is this because you dont have many or not been able to get them on film. I know that the stations closer to Wiluna have a wild dog problem.
46°c !! Damn! Were into 41°C today and Im just staying in the office with aircon. Dont know how you work in 46?
Gd Work Jack Just imagine If u Didn't Cull For 5 YEARS U Wouldn't Have any Cattle Left it Would be All Eaten Out
Fight or flight: Nah, I'll just hang out.
You are missing one. The natural reactions are fight, flight, or freeze. Rabbits commonly use the freeze response letting their fur camouflage them into their surroundings, letting the danger pass by unawares.
Great shooting fellas!
Do you recommend the PARD scopes? I'm currently in the market for a night scope and want to know what you reckon?
I would say that they are good quality scopes, and are easy enough to use, I would be tempted to try out one of their thermal, and maybe even a multispectral, but I would prefer some slightly lower magnification, but it all comes down to your use case. I haven't spent enough time at night with it to give a full opinion.
@@jack_out_the_back Thanks very much, I appreciate the feedback on your experience with these scopes. A mate just purchased a Pulsar Thermion, but I don't see that as a viable option given the initial outlay. I'm thinking something like the PARD will do just fine.
Cheers mate, good hunting.
how much do you spend on ammo... my gawd!!
Damn , i love to watching you and Danny shoot those things .. ( Camels , Donkeys, Horse's ,Dogs and anything else that's not suppost to be there .the shot and them the Whap !!! Does Danny fly around with you ? Ya'll make one hell of a good team .. Thanks , See Ya
There must be tons of carcasses , whats going on with it ?
Good job
Loving ur channel mate an been watching for a while now and first time commenting just to both encourage u guys an to feed the algorithm 👌
1 question tho y do u wear gloves when u shoot is it habit from ur military days or another reason as I personally like to “feel” the trigger?? Not a criticism maybe I’m just a dumbass 😁
Stay safe mate an thanks for ur service I truly appreciate it👌
Do you get ammo cheap? Must cost a fortune daily...great vids
Hundreds of camels rotting in 40 degree heat must get a bit wiffy
Hey Jack - do the cows ever get in with the camels- was curious if any cows ever get hit by accident? Or do the cows hate the camels too lol
In an earlier video a camel had got into one of the watering points and kicked a cow to death, I don't know how often that happens though.
If you would like I can send you a drawing of a rifle rest that I made for my wagon door
It swivels and can be adjusted up and down
Cheers Dave
Hell jack, it must be tiring having to deal with so many feral animals
Hi what are you doing with all that dead camels..Carel from South Africa
Some are used for pet food, some are good for a couple of steaks, and some are buzzard food. I don’t think he has the ability to even begin to think about harvesting any of those animals, he’s culling them.
how much per around? US dollars?
$1.30 AU each
Dammmm I missed the live feed 🤔🤔🤔
You so need a semi auto long gun.
Most legitimate Australians will agree.
Yes, but the laws won't allow it. Unfortunately
Jack you must have shot thousands of camels by now. Curious to know if this equals hundreds more cattle you can carry on the property. Or it doesn't quite balance out like that?
Cheers Scott
Don't know how your optics are aligned with the trigger cam , but I would hope that the center body mass is what you're aiming for , flinchy camera shots can be deceptive but stop aiming for the head and save ammo that probably costs more than the firearm
He's not hunting he is eliminating. Head and neck shots get em down fast and you know if you had a deadly hit almost immediately because they drop.
I've heard shot goats on the run at 400m. This guy is shooting way more than I do and the recoil of that rifle will never allow for a kill shot view. Culling animals is not hunting. 60 goats in two days on foot for my brother and I. We just didn't take enough ammo. We needed hundreds of rounds. We only missed 3 shots. In that trip. This guy is amazing at his job
I’m sure Jack could probably teach you a few things about shooting.
can we get a scope cam not attached to the gun.... but attached to a stable platform so i dont get dizzy watching.
Sure, pony up the money.
You understand that this channel is for his property and overall work that he does. It’s not a shooting camel only channel. Unfortunately guns recoil. He is in the middle of nowhere so it’s not like a mate can pop over and help him film.
Mate I will fly out and give you a hand with this
Vídeo muito bom gostei de 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
I was interested in watching this but the camera worked sucked. It doesn't do it much good at all to have a gun camera on a bolt action cuz a shot was fired and the camera jumped all around when the bolt was worked.
Can you reload ? it will save you money
He does not have the time to reload .
he should get his missus onto it @@Ronlean-vh2fo
Ammunition should be a tax right off - along with fuel etc - cost of doing business
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You should consider renaming your station to Camel Resort
Danny never wears the HiVis shirts?
Just waiting for your side mirror to crack under the recoil of the gun.
Oregon trail.
betting a mob that big could drain the water trough and the reservoir, after that the well pump would not be able to keep up. 46c geez that is heat stroke temps. do take care.
I'd hate to see how much ammo this guy uses
We need some commentary from Danny!
How many bullets per camel on average ??? You should be excellent shots buy now 🤔
Yea should be
From what I’ve seen it’s about 1 bullet per camel. Every now and then he may take a second or third if the first one wasn’t effective. But a lot of the time his second or third is to be humane. Camels are a large animal so sometimes they need two shots. However Jack is not missing many shots at all. Even though you may think so.
@@flyingoneranchto be fair they have been running around in the sun and dragging camels to they probably get less accurate as the days roll on✌️
Well it isn't plague numbers of camels it must be only a few dozen short of plague numbers.
Crumbs.
The way that the government regulations on firearms licensing needs to be removed because the way things are going at present there's going to be another war shortly and where in the past most people in Australia new how to shoot now we only have a small number of people who know how to shoot.
Can you BBQ them?
Probably.......but who is going to eat That quantity?-Sometimes he makes sausages though!
Other the camels horses donkeys what else is out there ? Cows to. No lions tigers or bears.
im so confused, where did these camels come from? this is australia right? plus these are peaceful animals so why kill em?
wow 58 you need to reload your own bullets'
Hi
Shame your government don't offer any help! They just keep on collecting their taxes! You clearly need better tools to do the job. Fascinating channel who knew farming in the 21st century could be so tough.
You need a thermal scope , whats a rough cull count for 2023 ? Its a wonder how you find the hours in a day to look after the cattle , with all the feral animals you need to deal with. I watched a video only yesterday how China buys allot donkey skins and uses them for beauty products, its a shame its not the same for camels . You'd be a millionaire several times over
Ant needs to grab some beer from the little creature's brewery in Freo for you on his next visit , use that xxxx as draino instead .
XXXX is a great beer.
Oi! I keent belive the govermeent gaive yoiu a peermeet to boiy tht brand noiw WW2 roifle. Fair dinkam mate
Camel burgers???????
What an absolute pest those 🐫 are. You spend so much time culling them, taking you away from every other job that needs to be done on the station.
Also, they're depriving your livestock of precious food and water.
comment number one
Are any of these camels used for the poor who live in that area? Seems like a waste of food!
hes in the middle of the outback. the nearest person to him is probably another farmer 2 hours drive away. there is no poor
Dude get some oil on that action , in that dust you should carry can of spray oil with you
Not , a very smooth bolt action,
Can't see squat.
Why are camels not exported live or their meat frozen to Arab countries?
This benefits your economy💰🐪🔺
I’m out. Was an interesting farming channel now a shooters channel
You obviously know nothing about farming. Bye 👋🏼. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
Why the hell am I watching a camel-killer for? A guy who goes out killing camels on his hobby farm, I must be nuts watching this! How did I end up here?
Its not a hobby farm its a buisness and a way of life
Camels in Australia are a pest and non native. They take water and food meant for the cattle.
that "hobby Farm" will be in the hundreds of kilometres square
@@gary2741I was trolling UA-cam and encountered Camel-Killer with shock not awe. I thought he's a moron with a gun! Goes and kills everything, he even shot a pair of donkeys (he would've shot a drove of em easy) So pest control?? Is just a royal excuse for his psychotic-psychopathic fetish. Yeah okay, I'm a city boy, a Winjin Pom here in UK, Yeah, Camel-Killers property is what? 50 or 100 square miles? Enough living space for a 100 camels to live on I would've thought! And what damage are 2 donkeys gonna do? Nah...he just loves killing stuff...Moron with a gun gotta shoot stuff and thats it! Also hes a sloppy shot! Not many one-shot-one-kill with this eejit! He leaves wounded camels hobbling around in agony and has to "finish them off" hes a nob!
@@sautoter411Way of Death more like!
Dude, invest in a cameraman. Many may like seeing your visor as you shoot but not me. Rifle recoil isn’t that much fun to watch especially with sketchy firearms either. Sorry, can’t watch this poor channel.
You think he has a spare $80k a year to ‘invest’ in a cameraman? You are an idiot. He is doing his best to document his life on a very remote working cattle station. Why do idiots like you need to offer ridiculous advice and then tell everyone that you are ‘out’. If you don’t like it then don’t watch it. There is no need to call someone out who is working his arse off with his normal work but also trying his best to show everyone what it’s like. So piss off and keep your ill informed advice to yourself.
What’s your channel
Lots of meat being waisted considering how your cattle look over there lots of arbs mouths will be watering
Trouble is it's hot and there a long way from a freezer..... you want to eat warm meat ?
There's no money in raising camels for food.
And a they're detriment to the raising beef cattle which does make money.