Talking Therapies & Gender Dysphoria | with Tavistock Whistleblowers Susan & Marcus Evans
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2024
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Thank you for this. As a counselling student I'm told about 'respecting diversity' a lot, but the more I've learnt about counselling the less it has made sense to me why gender-related distress is treated differently to other kinds of psychological incongruence, where there's a sense of helping to hold the whole, realistic self of the person in warmth and acceptance. So I loved their 'theory lecture'!
So refreshing to hear these two who are so grounded in reality. It amazes me what fads the medical profession will buy into. As a linguist, I can confirm there is plenty of "mischief" in language use around these issues. It's part of the attack on reality. Part of the postmodern project is to refuse clear, stable, traditional definitions.
Slightly off topic but I find terms like "the best version of yourself" and "living my best life" have deliberately 'slipped' into language as a form of social conditioning for the metaverse. The first term makes me think of software updates whilst the second of alternate realities. I'd be interested in your views Amy?
Around four years ago, these two were responsible for bringing me into the gender debate. Rather than what is happening, of more interest to me is how and why is this happening. I could not at first believe there were psychotherapists who blindly affirmed. Were they simply incurious? Thank you for the interview. Sue and Marcus help throw light on all the questions relevant, along with a little societal context to ponder.
In safeguarding practice reviews a recurring theme is a lack of professional curiosity, which is clearly as you say a major issue here, alongside other concerns such as the bullying of lobbyist groups. Practice should always be informed by evidence base, not feelings. There is such a lack of evidence base as people are scared to explore this topic objectively because people are too concerned about doing the 'right thing' which has shifted from the wealthfare of the child being paramount to the 'right thing' being a focus on protecting individual and organisational reputations. Significant funding from pharmaceutical manufacturers is a form of bribery where research is concerned too as the gender industry is a huge business model.
Always great to hear Susan and Marcus speak: they’re both so experienced, thoughtful and measured - their voices (along with Dr David Bell) have been so important in exposing this awful scandal. GIDS is truly a huge experiment - in real time - on the minds and bodies of distressed children.
No Ben never boring
Your a listener and thinker
Keep up your great work
ARE WE AWAKE YET🕊
Excellent guests - it's refreshing to hear from someone who's professionally concerned with the issue, rather than just being politically motivated. I hope that Susan and Marcus manage to have some influence - and, unfortunately, political influence is more important than professional.
Hello again.
@@lancewalker2595 Hi there! You'll have to remind me where we met - JsG and the Fallohides?
@@Tevildo I congratulated you on your name and asked if you knew Huan on another Benjamin Boyce video.
Great couple. Thank you both for speaking out. Great points on current child fragility/resilience and parenting. 👍
Small THANK YOU for the channel Benj.🙂 It's been A BOON listening to ppl who are 'up to their elbows' within all aspects of the topic at hand.
This channel just became even more important to me. My big bro, sister and all my niblings arrived yesterday and my wonderful, gifted, stable, mature, extremely intelligent nephew told me and my parents that he had chosen a new gender-neutral name, and went by any pronouns. The one I thought would never fall into this has gone down. Waiting on an appt at a clinic and I’m terrified. He needs therapy, not pills.
Also, hi, love you 🤗❤️
What a wealth of wisdom & experience that resides with both of your guests. Thank you both for contributing to our ongoing education & discussions. Not forgetting Benjamin of course for hosting this platform that allows these conversations to take place. Well done, all!
Loving the new intro graphic, Benjamin. Big fan of your show for the last several years. Thanks for all you do to shine a light and give space for varied opinions on this.
Much appreciated, Liz. Thanks for tuning in.
I love these two so much. They are incredibly brave and dignified people, made more magnificent by their union.
Hey Polly.. you're my Joan of Arc!!
as are u , keep up the good work
I am in love with this couple. They have such a gentle strenght, deep knowledge and caring, thoughtful vibe. Thanks for having them on!
22:59 as a British person I gotta say I really love the smile over the use of the word “blokes” here
Genspect, are trying to get experts together & doing an increasingly good job of it too.
What it needs, is more people like this - to stand-up and speak.
Another stimulating and thoughtful calmversation from the Boyce of Reason!! Thank you for all of these discussions. You have helped open my heart and mind towards finding compassion for everyone suffering from the human existence.
They are not human.
Major international interview
Putting on the "Big Boyce Pants"
Ohhh and I thought the Boyce of Reason was good (it is!)
Love these two ❤️. So brave for doing this.
I'll second that!
Too many brilliant points made here to enumerate…. Well done. In- depth nuanced intelligent discussion. Priceless.
Another epic Calmversation, thanks Benjamin.
Thanks for tuning in, WEC!
Wonderful to hear from Sue too!! Fascinating interview - could have listened to more!!
Thanks for the 🐈 - calming for the soul as you introduced your guests.
Benjamin,I really liked what you said about cultural critique of masculinity / femininity permeating therapy leaving nothing concrete as for e.g. fhe body in eating disorders . So yes the dysphoria is cultural …hm
Very interesting, reasonable, measured discussion with three people who embody those qualities. And this is pure supposition but they seem like a happy couple 😊
These beautiful people are just wonderful!! Thank you for bringing them to our attention.
The sad thing about all of this is that there _are_ people out there with gender dysphoria, but the trans activist has made the idea of addressing it not only off the table for discussion, but convinced themselves there is no such thing. Their solution to any and all emotional and psychological issues be excised by scalpel! These people are light years beyond ignorant and even cruel They are in the most literal sense of the word … EVIL🤬
I hear you, NinaKitty! It's absolutely hellish!
@@kaye666 It used to be DO NO HARM, now it is sterilization and maiming the body.
Hear hear
Absolutely. By telling children they might be born in the wrong body, they have caused an epidemic. Now all the children who would be struggling naturally are on a waiting list. So the movement has hindered all the children who ACTUALLY always needed the help, without the idea being planted in their minds. It is EVIL!
The offensive tyranny did a vid with buck angle recently and kinda touched on that... it bothers me that they can't get the legit care they need because of it.
I have their book. So glad you interviewed them!
This is a really insightful conversation … as a therapist I truly appreciate it! The fact that these individuals are SO FRAGILE that anyone’s doubt challenges them speaks to the validity of their belief. It’s a sign of an unhealthy mind. Emotional reasoning (I feel this way so it is this way) has always been considered delusional … until now.
Great stuff, Benjamin - keep it coming. Would unattractive people be prevented from replicating too? We learn where we stand in the sexiness hierarchy at a very young age - could these gender patients just be young people who are unhappy with their sexual standing / level of attractiveness, regardless of the reason (looks, gender, weight, height, etc, etc...)?
Thanks for the content and greetings from the NJ Bayshore
Ben I most commonly listen to your content in the evening, after work, through my headphones and not necessarily watching the screen (my phone, as I own no TV or laptop etc). I really like immersive conversations and tend to be having them in real life on many of the evenings I don't listen to your content. However living by myself, it's great to have such informative and appealing content to listen to on subjects that absolutely interest me. So thank you very much...
Edit:
"yawning in the key of curiosity"
- B.A. Boyce
Fascinating - thank you!!
Very articulate and its refreshing to see medical professionals being able to express different narratives. The fact is, many are very much against current practices. However, face stiff consequences for being vocal. It's also not just from NGOs; state, and federal can administer penalties. They face censor, re-education, public scrutiny and doxing. Some of the more serious consequences can be license suspension, revocation, termination, loss of privileges, and severe financial damages from lawsuits. Excellent podcast!
Fascinating and insightful conversation. The other two cultural shifts that have caused this to happen are -
No 1 The Selfie. As soon as mobile phone cameras could turn the lens around to face the user, the rise in self obsession increased dramatically. So of course with so many self obsessed people around there's going to be an increase of insecurity about appearance and fitting into society.
No 2. Sci-fi Fantasy. The most popular movies of the last 10 years have all been fantasy sci-fi. So many of these young people are gamers, comic readers and fantasy fiction fans. They talk about society trying to ' erase Trans people' in the same way that 'X-Men' are being erased by conservative authorities in the Marvel Universe. Of course this is nonsense. In fact it's the opposite. In Islamic countries like Iran, transitioning is used by the state to eradicate gay men by turning them into Transwomen.
This explains the vile hostility to JK Rowling as she is a fantasy writer who talks about reality. The reality is that two Transwomen friends of mine died this year from complications caused by their medications. Trying to alter your biology can cause serious negative problems, except for drug companies and surgeons who are laughing all the way to the gender clinic.
If there were a drug that pregnant women could take that would prevent gender dysphoria in their children, then the activists would try to outlaw it. They are not concerned with understanding or addressing gender dysphoria, but rather they value transgenderism in itself. That is, transgenderism is the goal, not an unfortunate but sometimes necessary intervention to address a psychological condition. If you just assume they are trying to make as many transgender people as possible, then you'll accurately model their behavior whatever they claim to believe.
What an astute insight. You're absolutely right.
Yip. I agree fully.
Came here for the shared conversation. Fell into giggles over the "my paws are wet dance".
I am taking a break at the 52 minute. So far, this has been really interesting. Thank you.
What is this magic that only Boyce has?
I've heard interviews with both before, and while nice and sort of interesting, I never felt this kind of spark with either of them. They are lovely! This severely challenged my prejudices against psycho therapists (and especially of this variety°).
What do you do, Benjamin, to make all your guests so charming?
°My go to example when describing useless therapists is how frustrating it was as maybe 12-ish to encounter the bland lady who pretended not to know that a grand piano has three legs. Useless person.
I remember being a kid and "why?" Was the most distressing question. I'd make a claim or statement and profess a belief, I'd be sat down and repeatedly asked why?......
My parents wouldn't allow my brain to shut down its curiosity they forced me to articulate beyond statement feelings..... it felt like child abuse at the time but they saved my life.
Sorry to be a pedant, Benjamin. Whorf was wrong. The Eskimos (Inuit) do not have fifty words for snow. They have three or four, like us. The confusion was a function of lack of knowledge of the language. As I have said before, the terms 'gender', 'feminine' and 'masculine' have no place outside a book of grammar. Biological entities have a sex, female or male. 'Gender' idealogues are stereotyping and therefore sexist in their insistence on denying variation of personality within each sex - ie a girl has permission to be a 'tomboy', and a boy to be 'camp'.
I know it’s a false meme, but it’s a meaningful meme.
Wonderful conversation! Very informative and loved all the jokes about being old ❤❤❤ Oh it would be great if you went on a tour to England, Benjamin. The folks are nice and the land is stunning! You'd be inspired for sure ✨
I remember listening to a podcast don't recall who but I'm thinking keith woods or James lindsay. Anyways they were talking about foucault and said when he was in Sweden no one cared that he was gay and that really pissed him off. So I'm thinking that being gay isn't enough anymore for that kind of narcissistic type, you need to up ante...enter transgenders.
This is an important comment.
@@thedevilandhertrumpets4268 it's the perfect move for this personality type. For whites is an off ramp from abuse, they get to climb the social ladder a bunch of steps. If you're black then you're sitting real pretty especially if you're a dude. Notice it's mostly a black and white phenomenon and then in blacks it's mostly male. We have a seriously fucked up culture
This was an amazing interview. I will be sure to share this podcast and mention their book whenever possible.
World champion guests, Benjamin.
18:05 Wow, Sue. That crystallises so many thoughts and ideas i’ve had on this subject.
It’s so pithy and clever. I shall borrow it, and use it often, if you don’t mind.
AHHHH I'm losing my mind. I love your kitty intros 🤩
What a lovely, insightful, brilliant couple. I really enjoyed this interview. Thank you!
The views around the computer misgendering was spot on. Everyone has to revolve. It's that black and white thinking. Victim. Can't say anything about these people but reminiscent of my borderline mother, who's behavior I intimately knew.
Such a good interview. Susan and Marcus Evans are going to emerge as heroes in this debate.
You have the best channel in UA-cam
Here's a controversial thought that just crossed my mind:
Could it be that there are some individuals who simply can not be helped. No matter what the treatment may be, perhaps for both the practitioner and the patient, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Maybe some illnesses are some people's human condition and they're destiny is to live with it or die by it. We all have to die of something as we must live with something that limits us by our condition as particular human beings
It's a very western/modern concept that we can all be saved or helped
Yeah I don't think it's that controversial (not to me). Like you say, there are lots of things we can't cure, all we can do is improve a person's quality of life. I think for problems in a person's head, how does a doctor have the right to perform physical modifications on a person's body? I think it should only be acceptable in rare and extreme cases, but this has now become the norm, and a person's right. It is so deeply wrong that they are doing this to children and vulnerable people. This shouldn't be the standard medical pathway.
1:09:30 yes, this is the matter which I think is critical (the word Gender = what does it mean?) the fact that Polish does not have an equivalent word is not something insignificant. It should make us pause and ask ourselves "if that is the case, then what does the word mean?" not just about how it is used, but it's actual meaning. Thus i started my channel with that name. I will give you an example of why it is important. Recently, I received an e-mail from a local sports organization in which I am involved. It was a promotional message inviting people of "all genders" to come to an event and try the sport without fee. I privately replied to the message to say that there is no word "genders" in the dictionary (I use a encyclopedic dictionary from 1983 - it is an amazing book). The word is Gender, singular - no plural form of the word is correct. With this in mind, what exactly is meant by (for example) Gender Dysphoria? Gender Expression? Gender Identity? are we using the word correctly in these phrases? if not, then what word (or words) would be the correct words to describe what is trying to be conveyed by these phrases? I agree with Marcus that there is linguistic mischief being made here. I think we need to find our clear from this mischief for when "words lose their meaning, people lose their freedom." (Confucius said that - or words to that effect).
Quite right. TRAs are determined that we should replace the word sex with the word gender. It is their political mission. We must become confused otherwise their view cannot prevail. It is an assault on reality and truth
Some trans activists perspective may be described as: the earliest possible medical transition without any questions = "good" outcome; desisting / coming to terms with sexed body and sexuality etc = "bad" outcome.
I’d love to hear what they think of the Covid cult and the great reset
Such a lovely, admirable couple!
Omg love this interview! Only half way through I have to say: I wonder what it would be like if we did have and applied true knowledge about our human coping mechanisms and functioning. Basically understanding 1. Levels of capacity for and style of empathy 2. Personality style/core motivation which informe our perspective on everything and 3 level of awakening to the reality of the formless/changeless/beingness/quality & identification beyond confinement personal identification.
Cute kitty. Such a chilled way to start the video😊
I’m going to try to remember to actually hit the like button from now on 😑👍
(More consistently, I mean)
Hitting the subscribe and like button takes no effort at all, please do.
Kitten way too distracting for intro, we need to know what he's getting into
🐈 😻 🐈⬛️ 😺 🐱 😸 he's doing cat things meow. ♥️
Haha, I totally agree! We demand more of the kitten!
Wonderful people!
These 2 are amazing. Thank you Benjamin Boyce. I personally don't understand how there can be a medical understanding of gender, one that relates to outcomes like drugs and surgery. Surely this is a philosophical question? It's too abstract and subjective and it doesn't directly relate to someone's physical body, not in a true medical sense. This is what HAS been happening, "you like playing with dolls, we'll make you a vagina". Surely anyone who needs to transition has issues with their sexed body and not their gender, as gender is more about societal roles and expression. I'm not sure how issues around gender are relevant for medicalisation, not now and not ever?
One rare exception: I understand how a man struggling to live as a man might need to transition to appear female (or vice versa), but I think these should be exceptional cases and it should be recognised that it is to soothe an extreme mental disorder, it's not best medical practice, as it has now become. It should take years of therapy as an ADULT - never a child - to come to the conclusion this might be the only way to help. But it should be recognised that we're doing it outside of the confines of what medicine tells us because the case is serious type-thing, it's not a logical or even a necessarily effective treatment. We should acknowledge that we're doing something to someone's physical body due to a problem in their head and note that this is in the best interest of patients in rare and extreme circumstances, and after extensive therapy. It should a last resort, rather than the natural pathway for people with gender dysphoria.
Does that make sense?
No. It is very simple. They are all sick deluded perverts and these theRAPISTS, Endochrinologists, Surgeons, Lawyers and Judges are playing God. It is only because the Tavistock Clinic became so extreme that even they deemed its behaviour unacceptable, but their minds are still warped by a false postmodern ideology. Bodies are not art, waiting to be deconstructed.
Yes. In the past both transsexuals and their doctors knew that the transsexuals could not accept their sex and saw no solution other than body modification, cross dressing and social transition. Now we are told bs such as some women have penises
Great interview 👍
I had counselling in my 20s and my therapist was convinced I had been abused, and I felt this was an assumption made by him. The issue of therapists projecting onto clients is a well known one and does not just apply to gender therapists in gender clinics.
. Obviously safeguards are needed but this incident should not be used as an excuse to deny trans children the care they need. Care for trans children and young adults should come from a place of concern and understanding -and not hatred of all tings trans masquerading as care and understanding.
Really interesting, thanks :)
This was fascinating!
Good .. Loved this cool couple... but would've liked to hear more about their whistleblowing experience @Tavistock.
Very fair of you to say so. I got so enthralled with their ideas and passion for psychology that I neglected to document their history.
42:15 "Yawning in the key of curiosity" -haa, love in BaB!
USA mom here, My daughter is an ROGD case, identified as trans masc, started out of the blue around 12/13 years old, despite her school changing her name and pronouns behind my back, her pediatrician threatening me with her ultimate suicide, her friends and friends parent's "affirming" her and shaming me, I never gave in, not to the name, not to the pronouns, not to medicalization. She's 18 now and, so far, unmedicalized and now claiming a, in my opinion, 'lateral" trans nonbinary identity, she still seems to want testosterone and "top surgery" but has scheduled no appointments or consultations that i am aware of. She at least at this point, even if she doesn't believe she is female, she at least knows now that she is not male. While not giving in to the affirmation caused a huge rift between us, I still took care of her, let her know that as an adult if she went onto take hormones or have surgery, while I would never agree with those decisions, that if she wasn't feeling well from these interventions, I would still make and bring her chicken soup while she was healing. So while there were times when she seemed to down right hate me she's never been able to pretend that I didn't love her even if I don't agree with her.
Hang in there mom. We're pulling for you.
What you all describe as that curious approach is no different from what we do in SAFE-T (sexual attraction fluidity exploration in therapy), what gets mislabeled as "c0nver$ion therapy." I would love to see you interview some of us in The Alliance for Therapeutic Choice & Scientific Integrity to clear up the myths about the work we do.
This is really simple.
Benjamin Creme promoted curiosity and temptation in the lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and pride in life, he was perverting 1 John 2:16. This is in part is driving the new religion of pride.
There is no moral, or logical way to validate the idea that you are born in the wrong body. Gender is stereotypes, and not the same as sex. It needs to be made abundantly clear to anyone who has gender dysphoria that they are pathologically obsessed with the opposite sex, and that their dysphoria isn't more logically based then dysphoria that an anorexic might experience. Particularly male people need to learn that they have no right to ever impose their male ideas of what a woman is on female people. If male people can learn to see female people as people, and not as gender they can feel in their heads then their might be hope that this whole mess can be fixed.
Also, I always found the idea of identity to be sort of a nonsense topic. How does someone not know who they are? What is finding yourself? I've never not known who I was as a person. I am my conscious mind inhabiting my body. They are connected. If people aren't basing their identity on their physical reality, and instead on ones idealized persona, isn't that just a lie? For example, a person who is demonstrably evil can think they are a good person, but that would be a lie. Doesn't putting stock in a false reality just promote dissociation?
I always find it odd when trans ideologs think they are being authentic by denying their physical reality in favor of a cultural, pedestalized, inverted opposite sex perspective. This idea that ones identity comes from what one would wish for themselves rather then what one knows is real about their physical reality, and personal experience seems like the prefect breeding ground for disordered thought processes. This is why, I think, gender (stereotypes and rules for the sexes) becomes more important to ones sense of self then ones physical reality. I don't see how it can be therapeutically prudent to perpetuate the disordered thought rather then deconstructing it. Wouldn't the best pathway to ceasing dysphoria inducing thoughts be radical self acceptance by way of cognitive behavioral therapy; where in you recognize when you are having a thought that is inconsistent with reality, and reduce its obsessive nature by understanding that it is a disordered thought; which culminates in a reduction of dysphoria.
I think another part of the appeal of gender is that these rules, and stereotypes are basically the value the opposite sex puts on one another. For example, femininity has very little utility in it. Its primary about being attractive to male people, and trying to get benefits that being attractive to men brings. But again, the reality of being female has nothing to do with being feminine; however, male people can't know that looking in from the outside because they don't have the frame of reference of living in a female body. All they see are the stereotypes that they as males have placed value into, there by equating womanhood with femininity. This line of thinking is consistent with the dehumanization female people deal with when we are objectified, and can be seen in the characterization male people put forth when they LARP as woman.
@Hailey Thank you.
Thank you so much for exploring this and for making clear that Tavistock is not closing, just GIDS. Far too many commentators not getting this correct.
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I don't think it makes sense to try to heal the mind by destroying the body.
It's not destruction, it's affirmation!
@@BenjaminABoyce Heavy irony. This is a great conversation.
Keep talking out
Mischief, exactly.
The first issue i have with these "whistleblowers" is that they don't mention the very, very dark history of said Institute regarding to mind control, psychological warfare etc.
"eggo" 😂
Why isn’t there a centre for deity identity development?
Because deities don't exist? It would be a bit of a waste of time.
😊
talking on the Tavistock Institute as if it’s in some way legitimate, rather than recognising it as an institution that is responsible for decades of absolute horrors worldwide. Cool.
The eggoe😂👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼… sorry just had to. As an Eleven lover😍☺️…
Lego my ego!
It’s purely hormonal! Which then effects the physical and psychological. We just need to thoroughly look into these effects to fully u derstand which is crazy that we haven’t and how we’re going about treating this scenario without a better understanding. But it makes perfect common sense to me consider that those hormones and their productions are a giant catalyst for biological sex. The precursor is the mass amount of edc chemicals in our foods and environment and clothes and they are finally catching up with us. Creating huge imbalances in the youth and the only help is continued help in the production of the wrong hormones and just change sex am together instead of trying to balance their hormones back out to a normal level through diet and excercise and therapy and maybe synthetic hormones. But don’t we think we should go about trying to re-establish homeostasis instead of the exact opposite because of their psychological perspective on their sex though it cooks be completely out of whack simply due to the imbalance in hormones to begin with
There is no evidence that it is hormonal and to suggest it is is unhelpful.
@@Jenny-nz8fb I found one research paper from 2011 on this subject in a brief search. Obviously it has been somewhat considered. REF "Endocrine disruptors, the increase of autism spectrum disorder and its comorbidity with gender identity disorder--a hypothetical association
Susanne Bejerot, Mats B Humble, Ann Gardner
PMID: 21950370 DOI: 10.1111/j.1365-2605.2011.01149.x "
We need more dinosaurs! 🦕🦖
Reaction to events i think.
I wonder if some of these kids will grow up and detransition, but believe the ideology so much that they consider themselves as trans as their biological sex, having left their previous "affirmed" sex
Maybe all society is reality testing.
Your guests are the problem. Same issue with the university professors being the problem with the universities. You can't get at the truth when you are interviewing the people who accept no blame.
34:08 Bubble people then.
What’s the difference between sex and gender? Why constantly interchange the terms while “critiquing gender ideology” as your jam Ben?
The Eggo???!
In looking for a kind of cultural push that let this tip you all have said just about everything except homophobia or homosegativity and our profound unserestimation of how pervaisive it is and it endures even in the face of ellen and will and grace. And you have the rise of sympathy for gay people but as is often the case there ar e lost of people who dont quite get around to there is no moreal problem inm homosexuality and instead think of it as i need to accept evryone and everything and so they cant see any difference between people that alll share a charachteristic that sets them at odss with most of society like same sex atracted persons verses a group that is taking actions to present as what they are not to ameliorate some sort of negative treatment or to achieve a set of desiered out comes. TThen add to that suddenly we have a path for peopl;e who are struggeling with the fact that they are gay that there is this path to being defended and supported all of a sudden. I get that there are other groups taht are caught up in this but this is the watershed group and the group that is the target of those the developed the technology iin volved. iT may be straight men with a fetish campaigning for oit but most medical folks involved in the work that gives us hormon therapies and surgery to change gender was driven forst and formost as an alternate stargy to adress the problem of the recalcetrant homosexual in the face of the seeiming failure opf pyschoanalysis to change the mind.
Benjamin, this video was great. Here is a funny video about Brit culture: ua-cam.com/video/kA0gmw1uz6Y/v-deo.html
Oh dear, I can't watch this. It's like watching the people who ran the concentration camps for 20 years explain why it's not their fault.
I can understand why you feel like that and it's true....IF the Nazi party was STILL in power. Can you imagine? The staff of Auswitz telling the world what was happening? Whatever they have done they are really brave. No one is perfect.
@@LusciousTwinkle
I agree no one is perfect. Not sure about the brave though. People speaking out after they made their money, you can call it that if that is what the word means to you.
@@Teddypally They don't make much money in that industry at all. This is the NHS. No one gets rich there.
@@LusciousTwinkle
I must have missed where that was mentioned.
@@Teddypally It's Britain.
These fools make me really angry.
Go on…
Continued...
I have spent a whole year of my life in the secure units of psychiatric hospitals for being deemed a danger to myself or to others. Most recently I got locked up for two months at the end of last year for walking barefoot across someone's front lawn. I was put inside a small metal box in the back of a van. All the staff at the hospital wore masks so I never saw any of their faces. So it was impossible to tell if they were smiling. None of the patients bothered to wear masks. No attempt was made to enforce masks. Any confrontation could only be avoided by leaving one of three rooms and going into the other in the hopes they would not follow you. There was no security on the ward. It was my fourth section. Everyone is allowed to smoke their goddamn heads off. There is no ventilation. One hospital messed up and the guy jumped out of our 5th floor window and would have died had he not broken both his legs on a protrusion on the way down. I've never met anyone "trans" in any of these hospitals. Presumably, they aren't considered "mad" for wanting to cut parts of their body off to look more like the opposite sex due to a strange obsession they have which they think will fix everything wrong with their life, their suicidal ideation is a normal thing and said by 'experts in the field' to be expected with cases of "gEnDeR BuLLsHiT dYsPhOrIa", a field that didn't exist 100 years ago and everyone got along fine with all their perfectly physically healthy bodies intact throughout their lives. Jesus. What an insult the Trans movement is to disabled people. To women who have had breast cancer. To war veterans who have to empty out a catheter due to their shrapnel mutilated genitals.
Genuinely, there was a guy in one hospital with me back in the 90s who had been admitted for thinking he was a werewolf. How long will it be before someone like him is affirmed by 'experts in the field' so he can transition to his chosen species. People are already turning themselves into leopards and dragons through extreme plastic surgery and tattoos.
I thought I created the Universe every time I became psychotic.
I never thought I was God. I thought someone needed to have created God and that someone may as well be me. The signs all pointed to me being the creator. It was obvious.
Most recently I thought I was Lucifer. I guess I wanted some variety in my psychosis. I thought Lucifer selected this Universe out of all possible universes as being THE universe and that God could not do this as it would preclude the existence of free will and without a universe in which sentient beings would evolve that could freely choose to worship him that adoration would mean nothing if it were a designed-in inevitability. I believed the universe never existed until I came along to reify it into existence, as it had previously been in a state of quantum indeterminacy prior to my sentient observation of it.
Clearly I was cockoo-for-coca-puffs. Saying that I was a lunatic doesn't even begin to encompass how insane I was.
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So, having spent a life repeatedly clawing my way back to reality, to atheism, to fiscal conservatism, to a libertarian tolerance of what sane adults want to do with each other in the privacy of their own homes that does not exploit any other person or animal (the discussion of which can take place within Universities only if they are actual proper Universities in which all ideas are allowed from all sides of the debate without fear of reprisal), I was really angry to hear these two "frogs" had jumped out from the saucepan of hot water that is the Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust's Gender Identity Development Service and got praise for saying that they were uncomfortable with what it had been doing for many years whilst they had been uncomplainingly employed there. How many young women have had totally unnecessary double mastectomies whilst they worked there? This is no different than Nazi concentration camp guards claiming that they didn't know what happened to the Jews that were taken off to the showers or "saved" from the showers by Dr Mengele's intervention. Presumably, all of that wasn't their department. It is a big building. Nearly five hundred people working there...
I would have been angry at the sloth shown by this pair of dolts, but their language and therefore their thoughts are captured as they lack independent critical reasoning skills so as I listened, to give them the benefit of the doubt for being so slow to blow the whistle, they condemned themselves by defending the idea that Transition is right for some people when mutilation without reason is never right for a mentally ill person, and only masks the symptoms that need to be identified and addressed. Are they autistic? Are they suffering from Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, Narcissitic Personality Disorder, Masochism, Perfectionism, Depression, and Schzoid Personality Disorder - because I was clinically diagnosed with all of those maladaptive personality disorders as a result of my underlying severe Bipolar Affective Disorder, and then my Psychiatrist found out that my Family Doctor had let me see a Psychologist for one session, because I had not made any progress with my recovery for a decade, and my Psychiatrist stopped me seeing my Psychologist, even though it was helping when nothing my Psychiatrist had recommended had ever got anywhere, and then not long after that my Psychiatrist took me off my meds and when I said I need those to stop me from going insane she said that she thought I had never been insane... this was after spending nine weeks in a secure psychiatric hospital... and I had just had a 'panic attack', when she wasn't the Psychiatrist who had judged me a danger to myself and to others at the time, as she took over my case years later, I stalled her removing my meds by asking for a second opinion, knowing that would require a waiting list, but the Professor who I then saw backed up her professional opinion, and then I was sectioned again the following month, because, surprise, surprise I went totally insane and had to be dragged out of the house by Police.
So, the reason I am going on like this, is that it is intensely frustrating for someone who has lived the life I have and been denied the normal things most people take for granted, like liberty, and a career, and romance, and was sectioned one time as a result of my medication being removed, and became seriously suicidal on another occasion as there was a lack of medication at the pharmacy due to problems in the supply change as a result of the pandemic after I was released from my most recent two month section with barely enough pills to last the week. They had plenty. They failed to give me enough. I nearly killed myself because the depression was so severe. Utter incompetence from the NHS at every stage of my treatment. Group Therapy sessions that never do any therapy because they are waiting for a member to join who can't make it this week but definitely says they are coming next week, then sends a letter to say they are coming the next week, or kick me out for being honest when I say I have no wants and desires, interrupting me as I am about to finish my first sentence and explain that I know that this isn't a normal way to be feeling, and therefore I am here to remedy not having wants and desires, but they do not want to listen, or the nurse who pretended to be a therapist for six months before admitting we weren't actually doing Cognitive Behavioural Therapy but just having a general chat and criticised me for being "intense". Well you would be too if you only saw someone once a week for your only treatment and you had been led to believe you had to make the most out of it to make a swift recovery. I got to see my Psychologist three times. It was supposed to be fifteen sessions. Fuck the NHS and fuck these complacent apologists.
They seem out of touch
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I shared this vid on TruthSocial. 🥰 Thanks for all you do.
😀 That was a good idea. I wonder how much crossover those on that platform would have with content like this, but I think it's important we all get what's going on. Edit: I don't have Truth Social, but some other good ones - James Lindsay, Karlyn Borysenko (not a personal fan, but she does review school materials), Project Veritas (I'm sure you know this one). Maybe take a look and see if that's worth sharing as well.
Cool! I’ll do Twitter. 👍
Great interview!