another thing that plays a huge part is the fact that majority of bts’ fans are woman, and of course, young female enthusiasm has always been put down and looked down at. No one can deny that such thing exists since it’s too obvious to miss, even in little things like wordings, young males being described as “dedicated” for their infatuation with a certain sport while young females get called names like “obsessive” “crazy abt ...” and etc for their love of a certain artist or even with other stuff, it’s always them that get linked with words of that sort. it’s sickening, really.
Either way people would find reasons to dislike BTS and ARMY. If army mainly consisted of girls, they'd say something about straight white girls only liking their faces and put down any of the good BTS or the fandom does because of prejudice. but if ARMY was mainly boys, they'd be called gay and bts twinks, (like every teenage boy favorite insults, gay.) all because of prejudice too. There's no winning regardless of who was the majority of BTS's fans. We're put down for liking BTS, not necessarily because you're a girl, boy, black, white, straight, gay, etc. Sure people will use that as leverage and more of reason to dislike army but that isn't solely what shows their prejudice. It sucks ass and is totally unfair but all we can do is try our best to show people the good ARMY can and has done rather than let the media talk only about the sasaengs. (Sorry, my English is horrible. I speak Italian.)
@@italianspaghettisauce not really true tho, gay and twink is already used for BTS, and the guys in the fandom because they still part of primary female fan base so they are being feminized = gay stereotype. a lot of bands like Queen and like the Beatles and even solo artists like Elvis had primary female fan base, you can find plenty of mean articles about the Beatles for example, but once they got "the male sign of approval", they got the legendary musicians fit for all genders forever (aka guys like them).
@@404gram it has in part to do with Korea's beauty standards. Bands like the Beatles weren't called gay or their male fans weren't called gay because they're masculine and they fit the western beauty standards for men, masculine. Guys are allowed to be more feminine in Korea without being "gay" but the west sees a man with makeup, he's automatically gay. So in part, yes, it's cause of the beauty standards
also the stereotype bout the fanbase consisting of 'young' women is very wrong. even according to the statistics, 24% were 10-19 year olds, 26% were 20-29 year olds, 19% were 30 to 39 year olds, 27% were 40-49 year olds and 4% were 50 plus.
JamlessJoonie i never said it consisted of young woman mainly, i said it was mostly females, never specified an age group until later where i talked abt how young woman get put down for showing enthusiasm, but even then it doesn’t necessarily have to be young ones bc at the end of the day they all get generalized as “young crazy fan girls”
The fact that billie's fans could boo another artist in her presence shocks me to this day and also shows that they don't respect her like armys could never boo another artist in front of bts also this topic died in a few days imagine if It was armys that did this like this topic would be everywhere
Facts!!! Because BTS is a group that is very different and often hated on by uneducated people, Armys know what it is like to receive all of that. I find that this fanbase is extremely open to just about any artists and will not attack or boo them, no matter their culture or background.
What's hurts the most is that Billie's fans have no idea that she got more fans because of jungkook's love for her music and it made army's decide listen to her. And the fact that the fanbase of one of the boys favorite artists that they would love to work with boo'd like that...... 😞....... I just keep thinking, "what if jungkook saw that clip"😣 It's so unfair that the boys get judged because of and very small toxic minority of people/fans that claim to be ARMY smh 🤦🏽
As part of the Billie Eilish fandom I apologize on my behalf I can’t believe they disrespected BTS like that. BTS are fans of Billie so to see them get disrespected by her own fans..
Remember when Tae shushed armys to stop shouting his name when another idol was performing? He had just went to his seat which made fans near his seat call his name, he's so respectful.
I feel like the reason some armies are so quick to attack anyone who even slightly disrespects bts is because armies have been so repeatedly disrespected and made fun of it’s hard for them to not snap or be protective. This of course does not excuse their actions, but it does give an explanation for some of them.
exactly, it's like we've been the brunt of all jokes when it comes to bts, or whenever bts even comes up in conversations. we're made out to be total jokes because loud and toxic fans apparently seem to paint the image of what an army represents now. it's unfair and tiring. if we compared it to being bullied by people at a school, of course people would want to defend themselves and what they're being made fun of for. most armys who argue back about people calling all armys toxic AREN'T even toxic about it ESPECIALLY because they're in the right.. people just see one toxic fan/see someone call our fandom toxic and feel entitled to call out a whole fandom for some close-minded opinion on what an army represents. no wonder armys are tired...
I mean you can't dismiss the fact armies have been attacking other fandoms and invading other artists aswell. The amount of times I see bts being plugged in in other artist's vlives ig lives etc is ridiculous. So you have to be understanding of other fandoms that they can easily snap due to the vocal toxic fans of yours when they disrespect our artists constantly.
@@CapeSkill as much as I agree, we’re talking about army’s defending. True, sometimes, they’re the first to attack, but right now we’re on the topic of defense. Army’s attacking are a whole nother conversation topic. I am not condoning their actions by saying this however I feel like you might be straying for the conversation topic that we’re addressing here. As I mentioned, I agree with your points, so I don’t intend this to be hate towards you. I just think that you might be in the wrong conversation topic. Be safe 💜
If you had also witnessed your life’s savior (they literally saved many people from giving up on society because of the hidden or blatant prejudices) get death threats online, scared to death when they decided to perform when they could very readily have been shot through the head on stage, supported them when they were cut from multiple music festivals without warning last minute but still decided to perform on an empty dark and dirty stage after shows for the people who support them, realize they get hit by their ‘manager’ and looked used to it, get shamed as “talentless, talking the easy route of idol, wearing makeup all the time” on TV when you know that they work themselves to exhaustion and sleep in the studio to save time, literally filmed their MV in a barren field instead of a studio with one/two cameras and the many other unjust actions and spiteful words against them, Jungkook was a teenager then! 15!, in variety shows, you would also be able to develop the reflexes ARMY has to spot and protect against oncoming trouble and danger. No kidding, being an ARMY entails being the CIA equivalent because only by doing this will these people be able to live. They literally receive death threats. I don’t even want to imagine if any have been executed. Heck, if this was not BTS but ANYBODY else, I would still want to protect them. Nobody should be insulted without basis, nobody should have to face prejudice on first sighting. Everyone deserves to live without worrying for their life, don’t you think so?
@@ordinarygamer2655 Not what they said your ignorant to say something is bad before listening to it especially considering kpop is an industry not a genre, it can be any genre just in the Korean language
fun fact: the stereotype bout the fanbase consisting of 'young' women is very wrong. even according to the statistics, 24% were 10-19 year olds, 26% were 20-29 year olds, 19% were 30 to 39 year olds, 27% were 40-49 year olds and 4% were 50 plus.
JamlessJoonie a lot of people refuses to believe that,which is sorta showing their ignorance and obvious hate. Like how are teens selling out cars or wine lol
@@NoName-dx1no agreed. Fans buy so many albums, merch etc and break many records. as a teen myself, it is impossible for me to mass buy the albums in order to break records cuz why tf would my parents allow me to? so I can only contribute in streaming their content
i can comfim a little bit?? I myself am twelve and when I went to a BTS concert I saw so many people of many ages. I saw 8 year olds elder women with children around them so I’m pretty sure they were alone.
You made me tear up... I'm so glad we have such a well spoken person in our fandom, one who can write these organized and effective video essays... you really know how to put ARMY's collective thoughts into a concise and well-written video, and I thank you so much for this. Thank you Elliot 💜
My heart really warmed up seeing this video and glad someone is able to explain succinctly what we are really about. I am really glad I clicked on this video 😭😭💜💜.
This man is just a blessing. You help armies who’s voices haven’t been heard, we aren’t crazy, we aren’t “crybabies”, we are people. We are people you see walking down the streets, in stores, school, jobs, etc. just because we support kpop doesn’t mean you get the right to clump us up into a group and label us all crazy. You’re not allowed to take out rights from us just because we support a group of artist that write moving songs about real life problems. At this point I’m done with the racist comments, Everyone. Is . Human. Everyone . Is . Different. We shouldn’t look at peoples differences and shame them. We should look at their differences and admire them. No one should be afraid to be themselves because they will get criticism. Everyone should love themselves because they are different, unique. Support each other, love each other, be KIND to one another. Little steps at a time, and doesn’t it feel good to do something for someone? A little compliment could make someone’s day. And they will pay it forward, a never ending cycle just be kind, please.
Those people “attack” kpop fans then get “surprised” when fans respond. Like what did you expect?! They treat us like immature children yet they are the one who need to “triggered” a fandom in order to get clicks
Amen. They don't see us. They only look at a few, or only look at part, and BOOM! They've got it all figured out. They don't see ME> a 60 yr old, who BTS inspired to get out and start working with local charities. They can't or won't see past a label. And that's on them.
But the same thing goes for some Armys though. Everyone who has even the least amount of critique towards BTS is called a hater and is attacked. Both sides have a minority that's speaking on behalf of the others who belong in the same catergory of either Armys or people who don't like BTS. Basically, your "They" is also just a part of a bigger group
@@bentenv7524 Actually, that's wrong on so many levels. When BTS gets critique we applaud the person who gave it to them IF AND ONLY IF they were respectful, strayed from racism, and DO. NOT. JUDGE. BTS. BY. THEIR. FANDOM. We also get mad when people in other fandoms that go on BTS's live streams on their BIRTHDAYS and tell them to kill themselves in Korean. We get mad if they are people that push ARMYS into one category based off of what one person said. Or if they are fake fans that go to fan meets and are rude to BTS. Or they could be you Tbh. We aren't throwing a hissy fit at ANY critique whatsoever. We aren't playing tik tac toe on a reporters forehead for no reason. There really normally is a deep reason for everything we do. And if catergorizing is what you think we do, we could play that soccer game. It would be so easy to, but we don't. We spend our money to support charities, we spend our time to help people in need, we give our love and devotion to do What's right, and if that's laughable in any way, you should sit back and think about that for a minute. It's not funny that a boy band inspired us to see the good in things, to help everyone we can, and most importantly, to love ourselves. Idk if you're a hater, or if you just think it's funny to mess with people. Or if you're just trying to make respectful points. But hear us out, past the toxic people in our fandom, we're probably the most loving and understanding fandom you will ever meet. You don't have to respond, or suddenly stan BTS if you don't already, but just try and give the people that aren't ruining ARMY's image a chance. You'd want that chance too.
@@kelpme0309 (Just to give a quick disclaimer: I am an Army myself and I love each BTS member to death.) Well, your explanation may be true for a part of Armys but I don't think "We" is used correctly in your comment since this "We" is only representing the "good" Armys. I'll give an example of what I was trying to say in my last comments. Last week or so, I made a comment on Jimin's vocal technique (in this specific case I ranked him below Tae and Jin in a vocal ranking) and said that it was quite bad for the health of his vocal chords (and I didn't put it in a more hurtful way than I did here). Immediately, there were a couple of Armys who responded to that saying that I didn't know anything about singing and "You're not the vocal coach you think you are so shut up" (I never said I'm a professional or anything btw). So while it is true that a lot of Armys do a lot of good things, there are also Armys who are too sensitive for things that really should just be discussed in a relaxed and respectful manner (I'm always open for a good discussion).
I'm black, when I was a child I heard a lot of "jokes" about how I had ebola and I didn't even know what ebola was cause 1) again, I was a child, and 2) I live in Brazil, we didn't have many ebola cases here. So, yeah, this tweet Froste made wasn't amusing to me, because I know how that feels. Also, thank you for this! Love watching your videos about BTS
Miranda Stephens i meant the outbreak that caused a Public Health Emergency of International Concern (August 8th, 2014). no one talked about ebola in brazil before that.
I'm white, but I had a classmate from middle school who is Nigerian back when the Ebola thing happened in 2014. Even though there were no confirmed cases in Nigeria, people made fun of him for being African and said he had Ebola. Bro he was hella bullied. I felt so sorry for him :/
It's hard, Endless battles Without proper resolution, Conflicts within the fandom And an opposing majority. It's no wonder that People get disheartened. After all how could so many people All be wrong together.
Same, it hit home. I am so emotionally tired and wrecked, and I just want humans to unite more than anything, ANYTHING, ever. Because we're one species, and are currently fighting a war, for once not against each other, but against a virus...so please, can't we just unite? I know it's pointless.....humans are just like this...but I always think "if only"
It's actually really funny how the BTSisoverparty hashtag was used to raise $20,000 for a charity, but on the same token it bashed on millions of people all over the world. He did more hurt than healing, and I don't even think he realizes the grand problem to that. If he would've been a decent human being and idk used a more supportive hashtag like BTSforkids then he would've not only been recognized for being a good person, someone who respects culture, someone who is smart enough to hit two birds with one stone (that being helping the donations and supporting a popular group); he would've also raised millions of dollars instead of just 20,000. See how that works? 🤨
I dont know what the charity was (matters alot) but at first glance your priorities seem a bit out of whack imo. if i could raise 20.000 dollars by getting bashed on twitter for a while, i would do that in a heartbeat. That money can save lives! Not defending the dude btw! And i REALLY enjoy BTS :)
@@denzelwenzel Why would you want to be a target for people to pick on? I get that you want to raise money, but in this way it's not right. Hes insulting millions of people for a cause that he couldve raised a whole lot of money for if he wouldve just been a better person. I get that he was trying to raise money for a good cause, but why be an asshole and a racist to raise money. Thats just wrong. It's like you hit twenty people, and get money to raise awareness of violence. It's backwards and cruel. If he wouldve just raised the money by doing something good he wouldn't have had to settle for just a mere 20,000. Which would be better? Raise 20,000 from being a target, or raise over 2 million from just being a good person. It takes less than a heartbeat to just tweet about something good. Use your platform for something that could change the world, not just a couple of assholes. You also have to take into account that BTS are a symbol of hope and pride for people. You not only insult BTS, but ARMY as a whole. We are one. We are not separate identities; we're all in the same circle. Support don't fight💜💜✊🏽✊🏾✊🏿
@@denzelwenzel we've (ARMY, i mean) managed to raise money over and over again without bashing others, so it just seemed pretty wack that he chose such an antagonistic hashtag
So many people view armies as evil so something like BTS is over party would resonate with a lot of the Anti armies not people who are neutral but the Antis. which would draw in a lot of support from them unintentionally I guess but it did more harm than good because I'm pretty sure there are way more K-pop stans that would have taken part if it wasn't as harmful as it was
@@denzelwenzel you must be one of the highschool bullies who weirdly gets fulfilled when they pick on someone bcs being an asshole is their personality trait lmao 😭
To all the Frosty stans that have found their way here, it amazes me that y'all can't see the irony of coming onto this video that calmly and eloquently explains one side of an argument to throw childish insults when this is apparently the type of behaviour in fandom culture y'all claim to hate, god forbid people have valid criticisms of a tasteless joke and everything that surrounds it.
You know what the worst part is? Those people you talk about in the video are probably never going to watch this video because they are just that ignorant and mean
This sparks two thoughts inside my brain: 1) multiple BTS members are gamers, kinda sad to see a gamer turn against our own kind 2) liking BTS isn't a personality trait, why judge someone for it? As a music nerd who doesn't feel like they're a full blown army: their work is just interesting and they have a lot of good takes in songs like Ugh, Baepsae, spinebreaker... And I love that one linguistic song too, Satoori rap. Ignorance is such a sad thing, anyone can learn a lot from BTS.
@Maria Rai this way you just commit to the same level of discrimination as they do about kpop fans though, I'm still gonna be a gamer even though I love the raise in Asian representation kpop is accomplishing, being a gamer is just as little of a personality trait as liking BTS
@Estela Lopez "gay but showing tough image"? What's that supposed to mean? Does gay people have a special image that can't be associated with tough? Gay people are the toughest people dude. Not 10 years ago they were still heavily discriminated and harrassed. Some of them were even killed in my country. And even now, the term is still often used in a negative way. And yet many of them are still able to thrive in this world. That's tough!
because gamers never graduated highschool, so they're so dumb and don't know what's good what's bad. They only know that they're right. I'm a gamer myself but I'll do my best to not be like them.
I remeber that day when h3h3 did that "joke" like it was yesterday. It was such a disheartening day on twitter, everyone was attacking us for no reason and honestly i cried a lot. It was tough. I know the army community is so more than what they tell us we are. They see what they want to see and they believe what their "idols" say, like sheeps. I was so angry, not because they where attacking me as an individual, but because they attacked the whole community that consists of such amazing, inspiring, intelectual, caring people. And they attacked the reason we are so united and enpowering, BTS. It was a bad day and i really hope it doesnt repeat. As you said,we are tired of these attack. Attacks for no reason, attacks that hurt and attacks that have weight. They dont support bulling (one of their reason they hate the communitu) but they are the bullies. They are hypocrites.
lolo lala That was the point when I really felt that it was unfair. All of the stereotypes and the demeaning way in which they tall about army and bts. I was really frustrated how so many people were able to take that joke light heartedly when I found it so revolting and crude. I cried that day too. I thought it was only me
I also cried, I cried multiple days that week from reading the replies to that h3h3 person. I'm so happy to know I wasn't alone. And then, after the gamers who were using charity as an excuse to hate on BTS, I felt so happy when ARMY turned it around and trended #BTSForTheKids and #BTSForCharity worldwide, dethroning the #BTSiscanceledparty hashtag. It was the most emotional week for me.
I still can’t open twitter because of how sad I would get if I see people attacking the boys and us for no reason even reading you response just make me tear up
@@nightcoreedits266 to tell you the truth, i dont know if its because i choose very carefully who i follow on Twitter, i follow 500 people, but i have never encountered an army like that. Maybe its because most of them are older than 17 but yeah... If someone is being problematic, i dm them and they apologise. Im sorry you had such a bad experience with the fandom😔
@@kth_hmj Awww bby🥺💜 if anyone is engaging with people that attack armys, unfollow so you dont see these stuff on your tl. But you know, do whatever makes you confortable💖
Also it's sad to see that people assume you are gay if you listeb to kpop. Coming from a straight man, like this is music? Let me listen my BS&T in peace.
"Because deep down so much good could happen if people just decided to see us." Thanks Elliot for another great video. I truly felt what you were talking about at the end of the video and even found myself getting emotional. I too have the same exhaustion, but I continue to do what I can for bts as 1 individual - 1 individual can become an army with millions. Excuse the corniness, but it's true - so many voices behind bts all saying the same thing: 'we see you and we hear you' @ the tannies & ARMY. Regardless of what anyone says, I'm forever thankful for bts and ARMY as their strongest supporters.
Thank you for making me proud of being an army again. Being an army, i often suffer from self doubt and the endless amount of criticism eventually gets to me and i start to question if being an army means I'm a bad person. I know that when i became an army i made an effort to understand myself which has been a great challenge my entire life. I know that when i became an army i learned about so many thing i would've never been interested in learning otherwise. Armys' diversity made me see and look at how people think and live beyond what i know. I hate when people around me who don't expect me to be an army, say "yeah but you're not crazy like them" or "yeah but you only like the group not the fandom right?”. I like it. I like being an army.
When I first got into bts, I’ll admit I didn’t want to call myself an army because of all the crazy things I had heard about the fandom. I had only heard about how toxic they were. Eventually I learned about amazing things armies do and I am so proud to be apart of this fandom. They are like one big amazing family who loves and supports an artist. They do so many kind things for people and the world. Of course there are some toxic stans, there will always be toxics stans. But you just have to remember that those people are not the whole of the fandom. Just like you bts helped me look into myself and learn so much about myself. They make me smile and laugh and inspire me so much. This fandom makes me feel like I’m not alone and I know if I ever go to a bts concert I know I could befriend just about anyone there. 💜
@@kew884 thank you for your comment, I'm so glad you got to enjoy being an army eventually 🥺 and yes, I went to one concert and it was so incredibly easy to talk to other armys and make friends! I hope you get to experience that too.
I think that one of the most frustrating things is the absolute illogical idea that they know _more_ about your interest than you do. That after you've dedicated countless valuable hours of your life to enjoying and understanding an artist, they, who'd not ever bothered to extend enough respect to research or listen to the artist with so much as an open mind, now think that _they_ can tell _you_ the _truth_ about the artist. If you tell them that the songs are meaningful, they'll tell _you_ that you can't understand them anyway and that it's all just white noise. If you tell them that they work hard, they'll tell _you_ that they're just plastic, talentless dolls. If you tell them that they changed your life, that they saved you, that that make you happy, _they'll look at you like you're crazy._ At the end of the day, you're made to know that the thing that _excites_ you, the thing that you're _passionate_ about, the thing that you're _actually educated_ about, is subject to be reduced to the ideas of someone who doesn't realistically know a _thing_ about it. It's this patronizing, painful exchange of: "Their lyricism is incredible." "You know most of those people don't even write their own songs, right?" Speaking directly down to you. Rather than even any sliver of open-mindedness ("Don't most of them not write their own songs?" - inquiring your insight), simply the absolute minimization of your education on the subject, as if you don't even have the mental capacity. It makes you feel like you're not a human because you're not being treated as one. You're being seen as a fool. A brainwashed zombie who has to be reminded that they're brainwashed. An intellectual degenerate of the human race who isn't evolved enough to pursue quality or coherence. For what? For liking an artist? But the reality is, _they're_ the brainwashed ones. Conditioned to believe in a certain set of ideologies. They're the ones on the bandwagon: the hate bandwagon. They're the ones who are under-researched and who claimed a stance without any information. No matter what you say to them, no matter what perspective or evidence you give them, they will not receive, research, verify, or even demonstrate a willingness to change their minds. They will warp _everything_ into their narrow space of comprehension. _That is being brainwashed._ But the hypocrisy is unbearable. What you said here really sums it all up. We're tired. We're so _tired._ When something has such a profound, positive impact on you, _you want to tell the world._ But the world has been turned against you. It's an inexplicable pain to be unable to share in something so intricately significant to you for fear of being entirely dehumanized by even those closest to you. To be fitted to a box for the very thing that makes you feel free. To be seen as only your label instead of the immense internal change. That's just the thing. They think that the dark patch is a phase, and when you suddenly start to come out of it, it's just the phase ending. If you tell them that the sudden happiness and alleviation came from a K-Pop artist, you're a crazy fan and that's a phase, too. Yes, your actions speak for themselves, until somebody else decides to speak for your actions. Thank you so much for this organized, articulate, informative, and honest video, where we can all find comfort and understanding. This perspective and empathy is very much needed in this community, and I'm so grateful for your voice for us in this matter. First video, and I'm subscribing. I hope only the greatest things for you in the future. ARMY, fighting. 💜 P.S. I'm sorry about the essay, but this theme, to me, is very prevalent and I wanted to articulate it to the best of my ability.
People choose what they wanna see and thats why i dont even waste my breath trying to explain anymore. Ppl who i have been so close with started treating me different just because i started liking BTS and when I defend BTS i get called sensitive or soft when its not the case. And its not fair how they can enjoy their music but when it comes to mine, im the stupid one? At this point im tired too and dont care what anyone has to say about my interests especially if they choose not to listen. Im gonna continue to love bangtan regardless of what anyone says or think of me
@@applearmy3809 Exactly. It's demeaning to your integrity when they choose to assume the worst of your choices. Like, how can they claim to be close to you and simultaneously not trust your judgement or intellect? How can they claim to be close to you, yet generalize you rather than see you as the individual? What makes their music so special that they can listen to it in peace when you can't? At some point, you just have to discern when not to waste your breath, and you seem to already have gotten that idea. You're just weeding the garden at this point, so don't you fear. All who will be left will be the people who truly see you. Fighting. We are in this together, and we always will be. 💜
If you poke fun at a group of thousand of people constantly, do you expect them to stay there and do nothing ? Of course, some of us (ARMY) react too much, but it’s bound to happen for every single fandom ever, not just us. Stop making fun of us and say afterward that “They’re crazy and overreacting” if your not ready to receive the backlash from your joke. We’re just tired of being made fun of, so if you want a kind response to your “jokes” (this apply to everyone), go somewhere else. This video is a blessing, I’m very happy that you’re part of our fandom !
is it bad that i almost started crying when i watched this because i'm just so tired of people assuming stuff about our fandom and someone finally said it properly :")
sunayna pls don't cry cause of them were know how our fandom truly is we know that yes there are some delulu's in our fandom but most of us are actually pretty cool and are fine as long as people don't make stupid assumptions about the boys, those people honestly have nothing better to do that's why they hate. Stay strong 💜 stay safe 💜
Oyin Olubayo bruh i thought of leaving the fandom because armchairs were so rude to me and bashed me b/c imma multi... well, ill stay being an ARMY only for BTS
neozxnv 。 why the hell are they rude to you cause you like other groups as well that's dumb anyways don't leave cause of that cause it's not doing BTS any good also I'm a multi stan as well, ATEEZ, GOT7, ITZY, EVERGLOW, SEVENTEEN, EXO, NCT and so on. It doesn't make me love BTS any less 💜💜stay safe. Ps I'm sry you had to go through getting hate from people because of that.
Oyin Olubayo ive seen multiple armys bash on multis and say we are “cheating on them” im not a kpop stan anymore but stan a few groups + bts... ive left the fandom before and i feel very stupid for it bc bts didnt do anything wrong!! im not stanning armys 😭 so im an army again even though i rlyyy dislike some armys
This legit almost made me cry. I nearly forgot the reason we fight and stand up for ourselves, and nearly fell into the narrative that my sister kept telling me "armys are always overreacting", but you made me realize our reason again, thank you so much. I genuinely love both you and your content
THANK YOU. The reason I want to push bts so high is because I genuinely want more people to hear bts’ message because it’s helped so many of us and can possibly help more if people would just give it a chance. Not cuz Taehyung is beautiful.
Yes but I think there should be a balance of not pushing it on others, I heard about bts before I was army and my friend liked them and sent it to our gc and it got overwhelming. I think be respectful and let people decide on their own.
my dog hate me i didn’t mean it like that, I agree with you. By “push bts high” I meant that’s why I stream their music and stuff to get them to top the charts cuz I want people to actually pay attention to their music. I want people to recognize them because the American music market is treated like the only one that matters. BTS gets almost no radio play but still end up charting pretty high because of fan efforts to stream and buy their music. I don’t mean bombarding people online about them or anything like that and I hate the fancam thing on Twitter. If someone doesn’t seem interested or if things start to get out of hand, I wouldn’t push them down anyone’s throat.
Michelle M why do you think that? I personally only stream when I have time to. And many bts fans have lives outside of the fandom. Trust me, you don’t want ARMYs catching you saying stuff like this because it’s a big misconception and people say it all the time and it kinda offends those of us who really do have a life. When people say the same untrue things about you all the time, eventually you’re not gonna take it anymore, you know what I mean??
@@jade-rj3ge I get the pushing agenda, some fans do this. They try to make others whose music taste doesn't match, force them to listen to BTS. Yeah, this is not good. Let's accept that if the person is lucky he ir she will find BTS by themselves. Let's not force them.
you know, i’ve met an actual hater and they get angry over everything, mostly over stupid stuff. she told me she was planning on ruining bts’s reputation by making fake facebook accounts and mass commenting on army’s pages and posts. she told me that, and she knows i’m an army. and it was over a post about bts being the better version of nsync/backstreet boys. that was it. and so i told her, the only people who post those types of stuff (comparing bts to other bands) are the ones who want to get viral by fighting other fandoms. they’re new to the fandom and are babies and immature. she didn’t like that i said that. short friendship over.
Idk what’s wrong with liking BTS who has amazing artistry and music and is clearly trying to do good in this world? Yh they look good but we’re past that. Alot of ARMY are not just young girls; older women, teenage boys, older men, toddlers, even Grammys and grandpas are fans of BTS, why must you glue your eyes in the literal 3% of the fandom that are teenage girls who are attracted to them? If ARMY isn’t being attacked by the locals, their being attacked by other kpop fans like we literally have no where to go. Then when an ARMY bites back at you you wanna go cry 🤡 it’s so funny and frustrating at the same time🙄 atleast I’m proud to say I’m a ARMY and I can’t wait for BTS to break another record because ARMY loves BTS and BTS loves ARMY despite literally everyone praying on our downfall 🥱
To be fair i FIND them attractive and i'm not gonna hide that fact because i find it ridiculous to do so. But that like just the cherry on the cake, the cake being everything else they have to offer. I gave them a chance because i like their dance, lyrics and energies (i watched Baepsae repetition with the cc accidentaly on lol, How to win my heart haha)
I would add one thing, and it's that it's not only because of the western glass ceiling that ARMY is overzealous. It's because since before their debut, BTS were attacked, relentlessly, by basically everyone. The Korean music industry tried every dirty trick in the book to sabotage them, the Korean gp treated them as, like Suga puts it in UGH, the "village drum" anyone can hit without worry, they were mistreated in variety shows, fucked over in music shows, betrayed by their former friends (RM mixtape is a great listen) , and subject of organized attacks by other Kpop fandoms alongside ARMY, who were at the time too small in numbers to fight back. Some things lightened up after their domestic and western success, but then others were added, like all the racist, insulting western media coverage. So ARMY is overzealous because at all times, and since always, BTS is under attack. I just wish they'd leave us be.
I think it's kinda a vicious circle. Armys get (way too) defensive when talking about BTS, which leads to people who don't listen to BTS thinking Armys are obsessive (which is true in some cases). This has as consequence that they'd hate on BTS even more (well, they actually hate Armys but they're associated to BTS so they hate the group as well) and then Armys get even more defensive. This goes on forever and it's come to a point where BTS' members can't be critisised even a little bit without Armys attacking them (and I mean actual rational critisism) and Armys not being able to show some love towards BTS without others attacking them for being stupid, obsessive, childish, etc. I think this vicious circle could only be stopped if one of the two sides stopped what they're doing (being intolerant towards every Army or everyone who doesn't like BTS)
@@bentenv7524 Sadly, people attacking BTS started waay before, back when ARMY were a very small group and mostly in Korea (and often attacked by other idol fans, who were in the same demographic and equally "obsessive"). And honestly, I don't see anything wrong with making it so people can't dunk on complete strangers on the internet. Just because somebody has a public facing job doesn't mean they should put up with every rando's opinion. If anyone publicly criticizes my family imma tell them to shut up in the same way. If you have nothing good to say don't say anything.
@@LynnHermione I know what you mean but critique is a good thing in my eyes. Without being critisised, you're not gonna improve. I usually get angry at people who say I'm good at something when I know they just say it to make me feel good. There are people who have actual good arguments why they think any of BTS' members could improve their skills and they state these arguments in a respectful manner. Sadly, these people are also taken down by thousands of Armys.
Benten Van Nuffelen That's not the point, if BTS got criticized most of us wouldn't truly care. But they don't get criticized, they get hated on. It's different, people aren't trying to give their two cents about something, they're trying to bash them. That's why ARMYs get mad, because they don't even try to hide how biased they are about the whole situation, and if one of us try to point it out or just call them out, we get labeled as "aggressive toxic teenage girls", even if we're being truly respectful and/or it's clearly an adult talking. Most people don't care as long they get to mock the group that's everywhere, they get bothered about it and they feel the need to shit on them to prove a point.
99% of the time, the people who hate on BTS/Army acknowledge that they are ignorant but still choose not to change that. It’s honestly sad. Great video though, I’m glad you’re apart of the fandom.
Daechwita • 20 years ago EXACTLY. Once I saw a post on reddit talking about how toxic the pewdiepie fanbase is, and it was met with TONS of outrage about how they were generalizing the entire fanbase. One comment even said “wow thanks for judging me without even knowing me” even though that’s EXACTLY what reddit does to all kpop stans, claiming that all of them are toxic. Oh the irony...
I agree with what you said about people constantly talking about how BTS fans are toxic. Every time I hear it in a video I don’t react of course because I want to show that Army’s are not all toxic.
Abbie D. I know right 😔 there are so many toxic armys out there that I want to kick out the fandom because they’re too loud and they overshadow the good ones.
The thing is that that's what MOST Army does cause the non toxic ARMY isn't gonna reply saying "Hi I'm not toxic" cause what does that prove? You just get attackdd and "OH BUT LPOK AT EVERYONE ELSE". For every ARMY that said something toxic there are probably 100 that jyst ignored it. There's nothing we can do we already do so much but they only care when one person does something wrong
Wow this was incredibly poignant. I’m not a bts fan and admittedly have not always been the biggest fan of bts fans but as a person into kpop in general (and tbh as someone whos been in fandom since i was a kid) i actually just relate to so much of this. Its annoying for genuine interests to be written off so often and by so many people around us. Great vid
It’s one of the most frustrating things because if everyone just left everyone to enjoy the things they like, the world would be a much better place. It’s almost like people don’t have excuses anymore, they say shit like ‘we only make these jokes about BTS because kpop stans are annoying with their fancams’ which makes zero sense because they are generalising a fandom on just the toxic fans they see and acting like every kpop fan that posts a fancam is a BTS fan, therefore BTS have to be shitted on. Majority of the time there are less BTS fancams that people post to annoy locals than other kpop group fancams. But they use any excuse, sometimes no excuse at all...
one thing i hate about being an army people will ask "are you army?" me: "yeah." them: "uhm.....it's ok you're a guy so you're not obsessed" ARGHHH i'm- anyways i really loved this video if people watched this they would actually yk be better
@@jjrhwy3376 yes and its disgusting like i am male and i really love bts but my gf is called obsessive, i literally don't care about that but idk y the 3rd person Dose like tf- i was the one who introduced her to bts and she is a army like me we share same brain cells and we are happy but the 3rd person always be like she likes some singer's more then you like tf i don't actually care about it since i myself like bts more then her
Yet, we are the mean ones, we are the toxic ones. Yet, we are the one that can not celebrate our achivements because "BTS is a popular group, don't act that surprised", we are the ones that are called horrible things everyday. The whole kpop community it's full of hipocrisy, because they can call us names, they can say whatever they want, but expect ARMY to stay quiet. I've been with them since I was 10, (I'm 16 now) a mexican girl that didn't had an opinion online because " You are an ARMY, no opinion". Honestly I am just so done with everything that we endure. ARMY WE ARE STRONG AND POWERFUL AND WE WILL NOT STAY QUIET ANYMORE 💜
Broken Hotdog, one of them basically went on a podcast and said something like they wished BTS wasn’t as popular so other Korean artists could get recognized. When Armys questioned him about it, he got defensive and snappy which wasn’t received well.
When you actually think about it not really because 1. BTS is bigger than him 2. BTS have bigger fandom 3. All Seungri gets is hate lmaooo when BTS has majority supporters
Great vid as always! Gotta love how when gamers spread misinformation on the kpop industry, "trigger" teenage girls for fun, post slurs and other straight up racist and homophobic shit and mock idol suicides it's considered nothing more than trolling or dark humor, yet kpop fans are called toxic for posting videos of people dancing
society loves putting down interests that are considered "girly". guys rioting on the streets because of sports? cool. girls posting videos of their favorite musicians? toxic and cringy. ive sen sports fans putting fancams in their replies and only getting positive feedback
i never even thought about that.. wow. so true, people love to bring bts down through insults etc. and then proceed to lecture about how the FANDOM is toxic... hypocrisy at its finest. of course there are toxic fans, and same goes for literally every other fandom but people love to ignore that fact... armys are ridiculed for it more often than other fandoms probably because of how large the fandom is. the larger the fandom, the louder it is, which means more toxic people unfortunately. :(
this. just, this. it's so strange that we're all put in a box when other fan groups (specifically, western fan groups) don't get the same treatment. armys do So Much good, but people let the minority overshadow it. we're one of the largest fandoms in the world, of Course there's gonna be people that are quick to anger or are toxic etc, but there's So Many that actively do good. being an army makes me want to do better every day, and i hope someday people will see that, too
@@denzelwenzel omg western Chinese and Korean media change their articles plus the artists you've mentioned get airplay but bts is the only artist in the top 5 who has no airplay.... Billboard miscalculating ON... BTS being bashed for not talking about SOPA scandal and american election when they are not Americans..... BTS even said themselves after interviews they hear interviewers speaking Ill of them.... BTS has being hated on interviews but the leader changes it to something positive for the members.. They carry all hate thrown into kpop... They out chart plus being the only artist to chart in 21 music markets but you will see an artist who charted in only 2 markets being given all awards...
I don't think the joke itself was offensive - it could have been replaced with "if BTS get kidnapped by aliens ARMy will build the Enterprise in a week" and send the same message. The problem is that you CANNOT joke about something that people are actually in danger of, on top of the racism behind choosing BTS and not, say, Beyonce. But it's low-level shittyness from a known edgelord. Finneas is a fucking *colleague* of BTS. He was COMPLETELY out of line. Also the fact that BE did not know (or pretended not to know, although she kinda lives in a cloud so I believe her) BTS when the MOST RETWEETED TWEET OF 2019 and the 3rd in history is a vid of Jungkook dancing to Bad Guy shows how much Americans in particular dismiss anything they didn't make.
Yup.....I wasn't offended by the joke because it has truth to it, and honestly? I laughed a bit at it. And preach sis (not assuming your gender, so please correct me in you are a guy or gender fluid)
It’s frustrating cause I’ll notice myself finding a way to like things less because I know there’s a lot of people who don’t like it, but then army reminds me that other people who like bts exists and I don’t wanna sit here and act like I’m not an army when I am, bts has helped me through so much! If I like it I like it, it really sucks trying not to be as passionate about something because it’s considered too much or too weird, I’m tired of it!!! If my mom doesn’t like it or my friends don’t like it, whatever!! It’s still making me happy a this moment and that’s all that matters, I’ve learned so much from this group and I will continue to support them until they disband, Idc what people say, it’s my interest why does it matter to you?
THAT'S IT! That's exactly how I was feeling a time ago, I was starting to became an army and I wanted to talk and follow BTS and everything but I was just to afraid about what people could think or say, actually some friends of mine really hurt me when they say bad things about it, it's okay not like something but why what I like is stupid and what they like is just so "cool"? So lately I just was so done with that shit and I just don't give a FUCK anymore, I post about BTS everyday, I talk about what I wanna talk, I say that I'm an army everytime, because the truth is that we should be glad that we're not like this people who have such close mind, that live so deep and blind in their own world that can't see or understand anything different without judging, so I feel really, really grateful and happy to know BTS, to live in the same time as them, to be a fan of such honest artists who do such good music, and damn, life is short, let's live, let's like and love what we love, we're happy? So that's it! Time flies, I'm happy I live in the same time as BTS so I'm gonna make it worth!!! FIGHTING ARMY, YOU'RE NOT ALONE!!! 💜
@@RealityBoat not exactly the main argument people have is " I don't understand korean' or why would I listen to a song in a different language. When spanish songs (shocking it's not english) are played on the radio
@@tbhidk spainish is a very universal language spoken across many countries just like english so it would make sense that it has a broader appeal compared to a language spoken only in one place
so sad those people are born to be toxic. honestly I don't understand are those people don't learn in school about how to be kind how to respect people... or maybe they don't expose yet to real world that we are different to each other in term of race, religion, interest, personality etc.. i just don't get it wt this people..
@Estela Lopez I see you commenting in every kpop vid this guy has put out you think we're gonna believe a local more than the fans. No, so? Bts are some of the most humble and genuine people you'll ever meet and see. If you want proof got checkout their behind the scenes, they seem the same as on and off camera so just stop commenting as if you know.
@@Kairena2103 That girl surely knows that what she's saying is wrong, and she's trying to convince people that what she's saying is true, but failing miserably at the attempt since ARMY and other K-Pop stans are not stupid.
man i hope this goes viral, it sure deserves it. you explain your thoughts and views so well and obviously put a LOT of work into it. i dont use social media bc i dont need to be told by people 24/7 my favorite band sucks and i suck too for it, so i didn't know about this tweet situation. it's nothing new, and not surprising but still disappointing. funny thing is this sort of treatment happens ALL THE TIME if a majority-female-fan-group gets too big, we get told we're obsessed and crazy and dumb, but most of the time these people are more obsessed with us then we are with whatever it is we're enjoying (music, movies, shows, books...) and rarely (if ever) have an open mind or kind words. it's more than "i dont like what you like", it's "i hate what you like and also you and i'm going to be very vocal about it now". i've seen and experienced it time and time again, now at 24, i'm just tired. anyway, thank you for this very intelligent and well made video, good luck with everything. subscribed! edit: i forgot to say, that billie eilish video at the end was perfect haha
The thing that annoys me most is he knows how all of his fans are. He knows his fans are racist, xenophobic, homophobic, ableist, and so on. He can tweet whatever he wants about BTS and the comments will be full of hate. Frost tweeting about BTS is giving the green light to his fans to say whatever they want about BTS. I’m tired honestly
it's a little funny. "why are they so overprotective and obsessive?" they ask as they continue the cycle by disrespecting bts. it's like asking why a child keeps on eating more and more when it's YOU who has your hand stretched out to feed them. what results do you expect? at that point, it's not the child at fault, it's the hand that feeds them.
ikr, bts and army always getting so many hate comment and they wanna expect we just chill & not angry 😒 Nah bro ,Army Sick and tired about Antis/Haters and that's why we overprotective BTS
“I feel more like myself than I ever have”. That rlly made me tear up a little bc that’s exactly how I feel about it. Bts and being army isn’t my whole identity. Not by far but they’ve genuinely helped me become more confident and grow as a person
Thanks a lot for this, for a wile now I stopped telling people about being an army, as an 28 year old accountant the moment people finds out they automatically think I’m childish, unprofessional and less capable, it gets tiring having to win over the prejudice of clients and colleagues, but you remind me why I should be proud.
I honestly LOVE your essays. Your research and how reasonable the points you make is unpatched. Like I can't describe how much I connect to, appreciate and respect your videos. The points you make take the words out of my mouth and then push me forward. Please dont ever stop what you're doing- I look forward to every essay you make because it gives me the validation, clarity, and perspective I need to become reassured, less ignorant, and more confident in my self and my beliefs. Thank you 💜
If froste is proud that he *only* made $20,000 for charity and is still making fun of BTS, then he should know that my Bangtannie boys have donated millions to different charities and organizations and us ARMYs have also donated in their names and helped so many people because we were inspired by BTS.
I really don’t appreciate that so many people only look at what you called the vocal minority and they refuse to look at the majority of kind hearted Armys. BTS has helped so many people through their music and they’ve helped me through some murky times. I’m sick and tired of people at my school thinking me and some of my friends that also like Kpop are weird. They think we only care about Kpop for their looks but they never truly try to understand us. They never watch a MV or listen to a song. Some of my teachers have looked into BTS and have watched a MV or two or just looked up a song and understand the fandoms. They understand why we like them. My teachers have looked at the lyrics and have seen what they mean to us. One of my teachers listened to the Truth Untold and she understands what the song means to us. These people at my school who give me or my friends weird looks because we like Kpop are so annoying. Me and my friends are also Asians and my friends have gotten looks and have been told things like “Corona time!” Or “Ooooohh! Look! It’s the corona breed!” Or “Stay away from her! She’s probably infected!”. I haven’t been told anything like that because my dad is American and I have double eyes lids and light skinned, as if I was just another American, just slightly yellow toned. My friends are genuinely hurt by these dumb people’s words and actions and I feel so bad for my friends. Their indirect words also hurt me too. These people have to realize that saying that type of stuff isn’t funny and it’s not going to help anyone. People can be so dumb. My friends and I live in America btw Sorry if this was really long I purple you Army! Stay strong and healthy! We can get through this virus and ignorant people together! 💜💜💜
"Now I feel like more like myself than I ever have" I became a fan in late Feb 2020 and this is exactly how I feel. Before being exposed to BTS, I was dismissive of them and categorized them as something I can never relate to. After I gave them an honest deep dive, I was astounded by my ignorance. To see millions of people share a positive world view through a pop culture figure was something I never imagined would exist. Their music helped me heal my personal struggles - the reason why I am protective of them. I am dedicated and passionate about them because they changed my life, to say the least. I feel like myself more than ever.
Thank you for articulating everything we've been feeling and experiencing. It sucks to constantly be the world's punching bag just because people refuse to see how good and decent the fandom really is... People constantly accuse the whole fandom of bullying and sending hate to other groups, but don't they think if it really was the entire fandom doing this, we would have trended hashtags or phrases? We constantly ACCIDENTALLY trend keywords WORLDWIDE almost weekly, it would be effortless for us to trend hate if we truly wanted to. But we don't.
You made me cry. I rarely cry, but this situation has been bothering me for years, ever since I became a BTS fan. I'm never letting people label our fandom the worst things just because they have prejudices and they don't want to understand. So many times ARMYs said the right things, in more than 2 years being active in the fandom (let's not count 1 year in which I wasn't following the community and I was pretty much being a stan "on my own") I've seen so many smart arguments completely ignored by kpop stans, journalists, critics, locals, gamers, literally anyone who isn't an ARMY at this point. And I'm tired of it because whatever they want to hate us for, they don't apply those standards to everyone, just to who they want to demonize. I've never seen such a dedicated, smart, and overall good fandom in my life. I'll forever be grateful to ARMY for opening my eyes, making me learn about issues and helping making a change in this world. BTS and ARMY helped me realize I, too, had prejudices I needed to get rid of and they helped me find my voice again when I had lost any hope of living in a better world.
Honestly, if BTS says “Army stops global warming” Armys would freeze the earth over. Like Armys just need to be given a time to ride. Do we ride are dawn or Night?😂😂😂 I stan a organized fandom.
I know I’m super late but w/e...It’s so hard being a kpop stan especially A BLACK STAN. Kpop is literally the only thing that makes me happy and it’s like ashamed of telling people I like it. I am tireddd😀
As an ARMY, I feel very upset when someone calls me “obsessive fan” or as someone who is “overly obsessed” over BTS. I, myself, listen to BTS songs for healing. Their music inspired me in so many ways and kept me motivated. I just wish they would at least say, “I’m glad they make you happy.” or something similar to that. I just don’t want to be labeled as someone who is obsessed. At least I’m a 13 year old girl that doesn’t chase BTS around nor try to get close to them. I’ve been living well and the reason is because of BTS. They saved my life. But the other person decides to call me “obsessive fan”?? Seriously, what did I do to deserve this? ://
i‘m actually a silent viewer and usually i don’t comment under videos...but this video was really really impressive! i like the way how you stated your opinion and used good arguments! i‘ll definitely continue watching your videos!
BTS changed my life too, I'm so happy when I find people who also acknowledge the positive impact BTS's music make on so many people. Treat these artists with respect people!
the hate they receive is digusting, not just within the locals/gamer/western side of things but within the kpop community itself. they're demonized over everything and its honestly just so exhausting. i've left the kpop community as a whole but i still support bts.
I almost got to tears whilst watching this. Kpop has literally helped me get past anxiety. These people think that want to marry them or summat, when I want to smile.
I don’t even know why, but this made me cry. I have been an army for around a year and a half, which is not that long, but many things have happened in that time. I’ve always been trying to not let what people say about BTS or Army get to me and not engage with comments like this one on twitter. Lately though, It’s been really tiring. Sometimes it really gets me down. It’s this feeling of being completely powerless and not knowing what to do, or knowing that you can’t actually do anything to fix the situation.
I am Indian and i have dark skin and so many people have teased me about this they tell me to drink plain milk and not chocolate milk and i see everywhere that lighter skinned indians are preferred in bollywood movies even if they are south indian! there are no foundations for darker skin tones in india and every single face product say white and like and angel LIKE WUT so if ur dark you cant be an angel! i used to hate getting tanned outside in the sun bts taught me to love myself and stanning was the best decision i ever made sorry if i made any mistakes im so mad i cant type (and i dont have many braincells xD)
Before I get into my reflection, I would like to say that this video was really insightful, and I also loved the essay style to the video, with a introduction to the topic at hand, the evidence, and the explanation behind everything, as well as a conclusion. I think you did a really good job at explaining your thoughts. I came here and watched this with a open mind. For someone who does not listen to BTS -- my reason being that I don't understand the language to be able to appreciate the music -- I also was one of the people who saw Froste's tweet as a joke, not understanding why he received so much hate. In fact, I would like to claim that Froste's intent with the tweet was not to spew hate against BTS fans either, and that he also did not know what it meant to tweet something like that. I also used to think, from only being exposed to the perspective of the non-BTS fans, that BTS fans were dedicated to the band-members and I fed into most of the stereotypes. But, I am from Asia myself, and although I am not from Eastern Asia, I empathize with those who are subjected to the xenophobic comments that many people make these days, especially due to the current global situation. I absolutely do not identify with those hateful people, but I still like to believe that many of them did not know that their comments were in fact xenophobic, and that they too may have been simply attempting (however, failing) to make a joke. I also do not think the actions, behaviors, and comments of the leader of the Western superpower country help to decrease the xenophobia and racism (that's a topic for another time). But now that I have watched this video and processed the information presented, I would like to thank you, Elliot, for calmly presenting the opposing perspective. I have now understood why the tweet was insensitive towards the BTS fandom, and in fact agree to a certain extent that Froste's tweet was not the best worded. But, I still do not believe that Froste deserves the hate (and the terrible threats) that he received from the tweet, because -- just like you mentioned -- I don't think he was ill-intentioned with the tweet, but that he simply wanted to make a joke, and slide in there his appreciation (perhaps?) for how dedicated BTS fans are, but do agree that he use that as a learning opportunity regarding xenophobia, racism, and stereotypes. I do however find him in the wrong for the other tweets that you cited. Nonetheless, I hope other people also gained a new perspective in this issue, and perhaps came to realize that some of their beliefs regarding stereotypes were not true.
Thank you for watching with open mind and trying to get our point when others didn't. I would also like to add that if he had worded the tweet differently like e.g. 'If BTS wished for a Coronavirus vaccine, their stans would find a cure in 24h' that would give the intended (?) dedicated fandom outlook without the burden on the asian group. This tweet also came after weeks of us BTS fans encounter wishes of them getting the virus or death from non fans and especially from the gaming community just because any associated news on them apparently correlated with coronavirus jokes. After a not so good first interaction with Froste, this one felt as much antagonizing as every other. Hope my ramblings make sense, english isn't my first language. Thanks for reading.
umm.... Now that bts has said things about facing racism in the west...Forste still thinks the anger asian fans of bts had towards him were all "childish".... surely no one deserves to get death threats but i can careless about him when he still so ignorant.... he is socially privileged and he doesn't seems to know the microagression people have towards asians in general.... Like you i am also person who doesn't know a thing about kpop but still i think Froste is very very very ignorant.....
hello, i'm not a part of BTS ARMY anymore, but i really appreciate your way of approaching this situation. you analysed it with logic instead of emotion but found a way to include how it affected you and the fandom. i just want to say that i am extremely grateful that you covered this topic, as many communities have struggled with hate and not many people decide to step out and voice their opinion in fear of more hate directed towards them. as a matter of fact, i strive to approach problems and hurtful situations like you have done in this video. this might sound stupid, but you really inspired me to get my stuff together and start standing up for myself in every sense possible. thank you for protecting ARMY and hopefully any other community affected by these comments. respectfully, saya
Literally thank actual god that there’s someone who’s talking about the actual truth on how the majority of not just army’s but stans of many different groups actually think and feel. Like, Beyoncé fans, Star Wars fanatics, go crazy if you talk shit about them but it’s not what the rest of the world focuses on. I often feel so alone when I’m talking about how I’m not some crazy Stan and my friends make fun of me for it and call me a koreaboo or something. Foreigners who listen to and enjoy western music aren’t ameraboos or whatever, they’re just allowed to like the music. I’m really glad this was in my recommended, you just gain a subscriber
Seeing that thumbnail I actually smiled. Not because I thought they were obsessive, but because I thought it was cute to see someone making a joke over the fact that BTS fans are so dedicated, loving, and caring of them that they would do anything for them. To me it was truly just an adorable joke! I guess I'm not one to talk, since I am not an ARMY myself. But if you are an ARMY, just know I completely support you. The obsessive fans are absolutely not the majority, and they should not be used as a stereotype for every fan.
The media (sometimes) only shows/speaks about negative things army's have done but don't shine the light on positive things the fandom have done and it's not fair to them. I really wish people would understand that EVERY fandom has a toxic side. Idk I just find it really unfair to them :/
things ARMYs can’t do without being judged, criticized, hated, and called horrible things 1. praise BTS for their hard work and achievements 2. defend BTS when they are hated on 3. listen to their music 4. smile 5. breathe 6. exist it’s true😔🤦♀️
I feel like one of bts’s song- Ugh describes this situation perfectly in a way. People putting/showing their anger towards things that are kinda dumb in a way. All people should be putting all this energy into something that matters. Such as helping others and doing whatever you can during this pandemic.
I don't advertise the fact that im an Army purely because im afraid of backlash, the toxicity surrounding the stigma of Kpop is almost unbearable. Even my closest friends who i love very much look down on me for my love of this group. Group mentality and needlessly lashing out because of uninformed stereotypes is honestly the wort thing ever. I feel almost unsafe and uncomfortable because i cant truly express and share my love for their art.
I’m so glad to have found your work. All of your videos and articles on BTS/Kpop are so well spoken. Often I find I had similar viewpoints but whenever I did not you were able to open my eyes to a different perspective. This tweet for example, I was unaware of the previous tweets and didn’t understand the uproar. I saw horrible things said from all sides that day. It broke my heart. I didn’t do any digging on it though. I put this video in my watch later when it was posted because I hoped you could help me understand. This video gave me more insight. I am a part of Star Wars fandom and I very much appreciate the moments that were added about it. My section of that fandom is treated almost identical to how army is often treated. I would very much like to see an end to this type of discrimination. It will take time but as long as there are people like you and the army you discussed at the end, I have hope. Thank you 💜
Thank you for this. My friend told me what the tweet said, but in her own words, and she couldn't understand why it made me upset. This video laid down my thoughts and feelings perfectly. Thank you.
You ever been so passionate about something that when someone insults it, you just tear up because you're too frustrated and can't the words out? Very thankful we have well-spoken people like you on the fandom
bts has prevented me from killing myself during these almost two years of pandemic. The confinement added another level of anxiety to what I already lived here in my country, Venezuela. If anyone knows how the situation is quite difficult. Anyway, I discovered bts and my days have been better ,they open up a whole world for me in kpop and I start listening to other groups and I become a multistan. Also, I start to watch Korean dramas and get interested in their culture. but speaking specifically of bts they teach me through their songs that I am not alone, that I should love myself and that I am valuable. they make me really happy. I wish the best for these 7 talented guys. alex 35 years old venezuela 9/7/2021
you explained my thoughts PERFECTLY. i spent hours that day trying to explain exactly what you described but you explained it so much more eloquently than i ever could’ve
I am literally crying, thanks a lot for this... sometimes it's very difficult to be on twitter due to so much racism, discrimination and ignorance that you see on a daily basis. Have a nice day Elliot :)
I feel like the reason why a lot of ARMYs are a little overprotective is because of BTS’ past. Anyone who would take a glance at them would be like, “Oh, they’re a famous kpop group, that’s it.” In reality, ARMY know a lot more about the members than them, and have seen the things that they’ve been through. BTS were looked down upon, they received criticism, they didn’t have a lot of money, people doubted them, and their shows would get cut. I believe that ARMY has seen these things and refuse to let the past repeat: let the members see hate and not have anyone to support them and comfort them. We want to protect them and let them know that we’re there for them. BTS have been at the lowest and they worked hard, as well as any other group, idol, artist, athlete, or any other human in general. I am able to see both sides of an argument, and I understand where certain people are coming from. I just think that our society should learn how to respect others and become more understanding. Anyways, I Purple You 💜💜💜
whether you are an army or not, you have to applaud army’s for their charity work. many armies donated the money from ticket refunds towards coronavirus and did so many other things as well
14:36. That whole reply from the first tweet totally explained everything in a broad idea, like i doubt most of the listeners of "Despacito" knew what he was actually saying. But really thank you for covering this!!!
First of all, thank you so much for this incredible video. I'm so tired of the countless amount of people who think disliking BTS or K-pop, in general, makes them cool and quirky. It's totally fine to have an opinion or different taste but blatantly hating something simply because many people like it, doesn't make you edgy. Also, the stereotype that only teenage girls enjoy k-pop is ridiculous as k-pop fanbases are extremely diverse and if you think otherwise then you probably need a reality check. Also, If you are a teenage girl who is a fan BTS or k-pop there is NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. People need to stop linking young girls who support artists and enjoy their music as 'obsessive' and 'crazy' because it is completely wrong. I am so glad I joined the BTS fandom as met so many wonderful, creative and intelligent people. You guys are amazing.
I am gonna leave it here.. BTS is keeping me going with a smile on my face.
Coming from an ICU doctor.
Respect to you!
Love to all you cuties.. And to BTS.. Corona situation is getting out of hand in my country.
@hobis dimples India. 😊
@hobis dimples you too love
🙂 I'm so glad they are a source of joy for you then
Respect and stay stong + safe 💜
another thing that plays a huge part is the fact that majority of bts’ fans are woman, and of course, young female enthusiasm has always been put down and looked down at.
No one can deny that such thing exists since it’s too obvious to miss, even in little things like wordings, young males being described as “dedicated” for their infatuation with a certain sport while young females get called names like “obsessive” “crazy abt ...” and etc for their love of a certain artist or even with other stuff, it’s always them that get linked with words of that sort. it’s sickening, really.
Either way people would find reasons to dislike BTS and ARMY. If army mainly consisted of girls, they'd say something about straight white girls only liking their faces and put down any of the good BTS or the fandom does because of prejudice. but if ARMY was mainly boys, they'd be called gay and bts twinks, (like every teenage boy favorite insults, gay.) all because of prejudice too. There's no winning regardless of who was the majority of BTS's fans. We're put down for liking BTS, not necessarily because you're a girl, boy, black, white, straight, gay, etc. Sure people will use that as leverage and more of reason to dislike army but that isn't solely what shows their prejudice. It sucks ass and is totally unfair but all we can do is try our best to show people the good ARMY can and has done rather than let the media talk only about the sasaengs.
(Sorry, my English is horrible. I speak Italian.)
@@italianspaghettisauce not really true tho, gay and twink is already used for BTS, and the guys in the fandom because they still part of primary female fan base so they are being feminized = gay stereotype.
a lot of bands like Queen and like the Beatles and even solo artists like Elvis had primary female fan base, you can find plenty of mean articles about the Beatles for example, but once they got "the male sign of approval", they got the legendary musicians fit for all genders forever (aka guys like them).
@@404gram it has in part to do with Korea's beauty standards. Bands like the Beatles weren't called gay or their male fans weren't called gay because they're masculine and they fit the western beauty standards for men, masculine. Guys are allowed to be more feminine in Korea without being "gay" but the west sees a man with makeup, he's automatically gay. So in part, yes, it's cause of the beauty standards
also the stereotype bout the fanbase consisting of 'young' women is very wrong. even according to the statistics, 24% were 10-19 year olds, 26% were 20-29 year olds, 19% were 30 to 39 year olds, 27% were 40-49 year olds and 4% were 50 plus.
JamlessJoonie i never said it consisted of young woman mainly, i said it was mostly females, never specified an age group until later where i talked abt how young woman get put down for showing enthusiasm, but even then it doesn’t necessarily have to be young ones bc at the end of the day they all get generalized as “young crazy fan girls”
The fact that billie's fans could boo another artist in her presence shocks me to this day and also shows that they don't respect her like armys could never boo another artist in front of bts also this topic died in a few days imagine if It was armys that did this like this topic would be everywhere
Facts!!!
Because BTS is a group that is very different and often hated on by uneducated people, Armys know what it is like to receive all of that. I find that this fanbase is extremely open to just about any artists and will not attack or boo them, no matter their culture or background.
Yes Bts even tell Army to be quiet at award shows (when they get excited seeing them) when other artists are performing to show respect.
What's hurts the most is that Billie's fans have no idea that she got more fans because of jungkook's love for her music and it made army's decide listen to her. And the fact that the fanbase of one of the boys favorite artists that they would love to work with boo'd like that...... 😞....... I just keep thinking, "what if jungkook saw that clip"😣
It's so unfair that the boys get judged because of and very small toxic minority of people/fans that claim to be ARMY smh 🤦🏽
As part of the Billie Eilish fandom I apologize on my behalf I can’t believe they disrespected BTS like that. BTS are fans of Billie so to see them get disrespected by her own fans..
Remember when Tae shushed armys to stop shouting his name when another idol was performing? He had just went to his seat which made fans near his seat call his name, he's so respectful.
I feel like the reason some armies are so quick to attack anyone who even slightly disrespects bts is because armies have been so repeatedly disrespected and made fun of it’s hard for them to not snap or be protective. This of course does not excuse their actions, but it does give an explanation for some of them.
Exactly.
exactly, it's like we've been the brunt of all jokes when it comes to bts, or whenever bts even comes up in conversations. we're made out to be total jokes because loud and toxic fans apparently seem to paint the image of what an army represents now. it's unfair and tiring. if we compared it to being bullied by people at a school, of course people would want to defend themselves and what they're being made fun of for. most armys who argue back about people calling all armys toxic AREN'T even toxic about it ESPECIALLY because they're in the right.. people just see one toxic fan/see someone call our fandom toxic and feel entitled to call out a whole fandom for some close-minded opinion on what an army represents. no wonder armys are tired...
I mean you can't dismiss the fact armies have been attacking other fandoms and invading other artists aswell. The amount of times I see bts being plugged in in other artist's vlives ig lives etc is ridiculous. So you have to be understanding of other fandoms that they can easily snap due to the vocal toxic fans of yours when they disrespect our artists constantly.
@@CapeSkill as much as I agree, we’re talking about army’s defending. True, sometimes, they’re the first to attack, but right now we’re on the topic of defense. Army’s attacking are a whole nother conversation topic. I am not condoning their actions by saying this however I feel like you might be straying for the conversation topic that we’re addressing here. As I mentioned, I agree with your points, so I don’t intend this to be hate towards you. I just think that you might be in the wrong conversation topic. Be safe 💜
If you had also witnessed your life’s savior (they literally saved many people from giving up on society because of the hidden or blatant prejudices) get death threats online, scared to death when they decided to perform when they could very readily have been shot through the head on stage, supported them when they were cut from multiple music festivals without warning last minute but still decided to perform on an empty dark and dirty stage after shows for the people who support them, realize they get hit by their ‘manager’ and looked used to it, get shamed as “talentless, talking the easy route of idol, wearing makeup all the time” on TV when you know that they work themselves to exhaustion and sleep in the studio to save time, literally filmed their MV in a barren field instead of a studio with one/two cameras and the many other unjust actions and spiteful words against them, Jungkook was a teenager then! 15!, in variety shows, you would also be able to develop the reflexes ARMY has to spot and protect against oncoming trouble and danger. No kidding, being an ARMY entails being the CIA equivalent because only by doing this will these people be able to live. They literally receive death threats. I don’t even want to imagine if any have been executed. Heck, if this was not BTS but ANYBODY else, I would still want to protect them. Nobody should be insulted without basis, nobody should have to face prejudice on first sighting. Everyone deserves to live without worrying for their life, don’t you think so?
my aunt is a front liner and she literally told me that bts makes her day better, idk why people pick on bts & army so much ://
Most of them hate kpop because social media told them to do so, they didn't even try to listen to the song itself. (Sorry for my bad English)
@@juniuws thats the truth they are very ignorant 😤
Music for healing indeed.
@@tryurbestlol1570 how are people ignorant for having taste? Not everyone likes the same things
@@ordinarygamer2655 Not what they said your ignorant to say something is bad before listening to it especially considering kpop is an industry not a genre, it can be any genre just in the Korean language
fun fact: the stereotype bout the fanbase consisting of 'young' women is very wrong. even according to the statistics, 24% were 10-19 year olds, 26% were 20-29 year olds, 19% were 30 to 39 year olds, 27% were 40-49 year olds and 4% were 50 plus.
JamlessJoonie a lot of people refuses to believe that,which is sorta showing their ignorance and obvious hate. Like how are teens selling out cars or wine lol
@@NoName-dx1no agreed. Fans buy so many albums, merch etc and break many records. as a teen myself, it is impossible for me to mass buy the albums in order to break records cuz why tf would my parents allow me to? so I can only contribute in streaming their content
@@saragarofano9727 of course. the information I had provided here represents the percentile of the age groups regardless of the gender.
i can comfim a little bit?? I myself am twelve and when I went to a BTS concert I saw so many people of many ages. I saw 8 year olds elder women with children around them so I’m pretty sure they were alone.
where are those statistics even from?? was it just a random survey from a website? because that matters
You made me tear up... I'm so glad we have such a well spoken person in our fandom, one who can write these organized and effective video essays... you really know how to put ARMY's collective thoughts into a concise and well-written video, and I thank you so much for this. Thank you Elliot 💜
thank you :) i try my best
@@bbygang I very much agree with this person. I'm sharing this video with as many people as I can reach, regardless if they're army or not
My heart really warmed up seeing this video and glad someone is able to explain succinctly what we are really about. I am really glad I clicked on this video 😭😭💜💜.
Yeah he's like the Namjoon of army
@@bbygang I'm very thankful for saying what mostly all armys are trying to say but antis does not listen!
This man is just a blessing. You help armies who’s voices haven’t been heard, we aren’t crazy, we aren’t “crybabies”, we are people. We are people you see walking down the streets, in stores, school, jobs, etc. just because we support kpop doesn’t mean you get the right to clump us up into a group and label us all crazy. You’re not allowed to take out rights from us just because we support a group of artist that write moving songs about real life problems. At this point I’m done with the racist comments, Everyone. Is . Human. Everyone . Is . Different. We shouldn’t look at peoples differences and shame them. We should look at their differences and admire them. No one should be afraid to be themselves because they will get criticism. Everyone should love themselves because they are different, unique. Support each other, love each other, be KIND to one another. Little steps at a time, and doesn’t it feel good to do something for someone? A little compliment could make someone’s day. And they will pay it forward, a never ending cycle just be kind, please.
thank you :') this means a lot
bby gang your welcome thank you for speaking for us 🙏🏼😊
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RIGHT??
Those people “attack” kpop fans then get “surprised” when fans respond. Like what did you expect?! They treat us like immature children yet they are the one who need to “triggered” a fandom in order to get clicks
and then call us oversensitive for defending and responding to them. when they get owned they then start to call us toxic
Amen. They don't see us. They only look at a few, or only look at part, and BOOM! They've got it all figured out. They don't see ME> a 60 yr old, who BTS inspired to get out and start working with local charities. They can't or won't see past a label. And that's on them.
But the same thing goes for some Armys though. Everyone who has even the least amount of critique towards BTS is called a hater and is attacked. Both sides have a minority that's speaking on behalf of the others who belong in the same catergory of either Armys or people who don't like BTS. Basically, your "They" is also just a part of a bigger group
@@bentenv7524 Actually, that's wrong on so many levels. When BTS gets critique we applaud the person who gave it to them IF AND ONLY IF they were respectful, strayed from racism, and DO. NOT. JUDGE. BTS. BY. THEIR. FANDOM. We also get mad when people in other fandoms that go on BTS's live streams on their BIRTHDAYS and tell them to kill themselves in Korean. We get mad if they are people that push ARMYS into one category based off of what one person said. Or if they are fake fans that go to fan meets and are rude to BTS. Or they could be you Tbh. We aren't throwing a hissy fit at ANY critique whatsoever. We aren't playing tik tac toe on a reporters forehead for no reason. There really normally is a deep reason for everything we do. And if catergorizing is what you think we do, we could play that soccer game. It would be so easy to, but we don't. We spend our money to support charities, we spend our time to help people in need, we give our love and devotion to do What's right, and if that's laughable in any way, you should sit back and think about that for a minute. It's not funny that a boy band inspired us to see the good in things, to help everyone we can, and most importantly, to love ourselves. Idk if you're a hater, or if you just think it's funny to mess with people. Or if you're just trying to make respectful points. But hear us out, past the toxic people in our fandom, we're probably the most loving and understanding fandom you will ever meet. You don't have to respond, or suddenly stan BTS if you don't already, but just try and give the people that aren't ruining ARMY's image a chance. You'd want that chance too.
@@kelpme0309 (Just to give a quick disclaimer: I am an Army myself and I love each BTS member to death.)
Well, your explanation may be true for a part of Armys but I don't think "We" is used correctly in your comment since this "We" is only representing the "good" Armys.
I'll give an example of what I was trying to say in my last comments. Last week or so, I made a comment on Jimin's vocal technique (in this specific case I ranked him below Tae and Jin in a vocal ranking) and said that it was quite bad for the health of his vocal chords (and I didn't put it in a more hurtful way than I did here). Immediately, there were a couple of Armys who responded to that saying that I didn't know anything about singing and "You're not the vocal coach you think you are so shut up" (I never said I'm a professional or anything btw).
So while it is true that a lot of Armys do a lot of good things, there are also Armys who are too sensitive for things that really should just be discussed in a relaxed and respectful manner (I'm always open for a good discussion).
It's sad that we live in a world like this. But I swear this will change. Soon enough...
periodTTT
I'm black, when I was a child I heard a lot of "jokes" about how I had ebola and I didn't even know what ebola was cause 1) again, I was a child, and 2) I live in Brazil, we didn't have many ebola cases here. So, yeah, this tweet Froste made wasn't amusing to me, because I know how that feels. Also, thank you for this! Love watching your videos about BTS
babi the ebola thing was in 2014, how old are you?
@@save_bandit There has always been Ebola lol
Miranda Stephens i meant the outbreak that caused a Public Health Emergency of International Concern (August 8th, 2014). no one talked about ebola in brazil before that.
People are people.. Too quick to judge because to society? If you're not white? You're a monster..
I'm white, but I had a classmate from middle school who is Nigerian back when the Ebola thing happened in 2014. Even though there were no confirmed cases in Nigeria, people made fun of him for being African and said he had Ebola. Bro he was hella bullied. I felt so sorry for him :/
"I'm so tired....." I really felt that. Not in a physical way.
It's hard,
Endless battles
Without proper resolution,
Conflicts within the fandom
And an opposing majority.
It's no wonder that
People get disheartened.
After all how could so many people
All be wrong together.
Same, it hit home. I am so emotionally tired and wrecked, and I just want humans to unite more than anything, ANYTHING, ever. Because we're one species, and are currently fighting a war, for once not against each other, but against a virus...so please, can't we just unite? I know it's pointless.....humans are just like this...but I always think "if only"
@@noranason6521 honestly I feel the same
It's actually really funny how the BTSisoverparty hashtag was used to raise $20,000 for a charity, but on the same token it bashed on millions of people all over the world. He did more hurt than healing, and I don't even think he realizes the grand problem to that. If he would've been a decent human being and idk used a more supportive hashtag like BTSforkids then he would've not only been recognized for being a good person, someone who respects culture, someone who is smart enough to hit two birds with one stone (that being helping the donations and supporting a popular group); he would've also raised millions of dollars instead of just 20,000. See how that works? 🤨
I dont know what the charity was (matters alot) but at first glance your priorities seem a bit out of whack imo. if i could raise 20.000 dollars by getting bashed on twitter for a while, i would do that in a heartbeat. That money can save lives! Not defending the dude btw! And i REALLY enjoy BTS :)
@@denzelwenzel Why would you want to be a target for people to pick on? I get that you want to raise money, but in this way it's not right. Hes insulting millions of people for a cause that he couldve raised a whole lot of money for if he wouldve just been a better person. I get that he was trying to raise money for a good cause, but why be an asshole and a racist to raise money. Thats just wrong. It's like you hit twenty people, and get money to raise awareness of violence. It's backwards and cruel. If he wouldve just raised the money by doing something good he wouldn't have had to settle for just a mere 20,000. Which would be better? Raise 20,000 from being a target, or raise over 2 million from just being a good person. It takes less than a heartbeat to just tweet about something good. Use your platform for something that could change the world, not just a couple of assholes. You also have to take into account that BTS are a symbol of hope and pride for people. You not only insult BTS, but ARMY as a whole. We are one. We are not separate identities; we're all in the same circle. Support don't fight💜💜✊🏽✊🏾✊🏿
@@denzelwenzel we've (ARMY, i mean) managed to raise money over and over again without bashing others, so it just seemed pretty wack that he chose such an antagonistic hashtag
So many people view armies as evil so something like BTS is over party would resonate with a lot of the Anti armies not people who are neutral but the Antis. which would draw in a lot of support from them unintentionally I guess but it did more harm than good because I'm pretty sure there are way more K-pop stans that would have taken part if it wasn't as harmful as it was
@@denzelwenzel you must be one of the highschool bullies who weirdly gets fulfilled when they pick on someone bcs being an asshole is their personality trait lmao 😭
To all the Frosty stans that have found their way here, it amazes me that y'all can't see the irony of coming onto this video that calmly and eloquently explains one side of an argument to throw childish insults when this is apparently the type of behaviour in fandom culture y'all claim to hate, god forbid people have valid criticisms of a tasteless joke and everything that surrounds it.
I ain't reading all that but I prefer you to call us frostards
@@portteddy9078 No thanks i'm good
@@AleinAki understandable have a nice day
criticism my ass.
exactly they're so pathetic
You know what the worst part is? Those people you talk about in the video are probably never going to watch this video because they are just that ignorant and mean
It's not about them,
They wouldn't listen,
Just know that you're seen
Know that we've heard you.
Together as BTS ARMY
That's all that counts.
Exactly
They don’t care that’s why
she doesnt know vital info PepeLaugh
I did watch the video actually!
This sparks two thoughts inside my brain:
1) multiple BTS members are gamers, kinda sad to see a gamer turn against our own kind
2) liking BTS isn't a personality trait, why judge someone for it? As a music nerd who doesn't feel like they're a full blown army: their work is just interesting and they have a lot of good takes in songs like Ugh, Baepsae, spinebreaker... And I love that one linguistic song too, Satoori rap. Ignorance is such a sad thing, anyone can learn a lot from BTS.
@Maria Rai this way you just commit to the same level of discrimination as they do about kpop fans though, I'm still gonna be a gamer even though I love the raise in Asian representation kpop is accomplishing, being a gamer is just as little of a personality trait as liking BTS
@Estela Lopez "gay but showing tough image"? What's that supposed to mean?
Does gay people have a special image that can't be associated with tough? Gay people are the toughest people dude. Not 10 years ago they were still heavily discriminated and harrassed. Some of them were even killed in my country. And even now, the term is still often used in a negative way. And yet many of them are still able to thrive in this world. That's tough!
because gamers never graduated highschool, so they're so dumb and don't know what's good what's bad. They only know that they're right. I'm a gamer myself but I'll do my best to not be like them.
@@hye2354 not be successful? Sure
God bless you.
I remeber that day when h3h3 did that "joke" like it was yesterday. It was such a disheartening day on twitter, everyone was attacking us for no reason and honestly i cried a lot. It was tough. I know the army community is so more than what they tell us we are. They see what they want to see and they believe what their "idols" say, like sheeps. I was so angry, not because they where attacking me as an individual, but because they attacked the whole community that consists of such amazing, inspiring, intelectual, caring people. And they attacked the reason we are so united and enpowering, BTS. It was a bad day and i really hope it doesnt repeat. As you said,we are tired of these attack. Attacks for no reason, attacks that hurt and attacks that have weight. They dont support bulling (one of their reason they hate the communitu) but they are the bullies. They are hypocrites.
lolo lala That was the point when I really felt that it was unfair. All of the stereotypes and the demeaning way in which they tall about army and bts. I was really frustrated how so many people were able to take that joke light heartedly when I found it so revolting and crude. I cried that day too. I thought it was only me
I also cried, I cried multiple days that week from reading the replies to that h3h3 person. I'm so happy to know I wasn't alone. And then, after the gamers who were using charity as an excuse to hate on BTS, I felt so happy when ARMY turned it around and trended #BTSForTheKids and #BTSForCharity worldwide, dethroning the #BTSiscanceledparty hashtag. It was the most emotional week for me.
I still can’t open twitter because of how sad I would get if I see people attacking the boys and us for no reason even reading you response just make me tear up
@@nightcoreedits266 to tell you the truth, i dont know if its because i choose very carefully who i follow on Twitter, i follow 500 people, but i have never encountered an army like that. Maybe its because most of them are older than 17 but yeah... If someone is being problematic, i dm them and they apologise. Im sorry you had such a bad experience with the fandom😔
@@kth_hmj Awww bby🥺💜 if anyone is engaging with people that attack armys, unfollow so you dont see these stuff on your tl. But you know, do whatever makes you confortable💖
I really dislike how close-minded most people are about BTS and other kpop groups.
I hate how me coming out was easier than me admitting that I'm a kpop stan
Lmao this is funny but sad at the same time :/
holy hell. ;-; where's the lie.
Wow I am pan and a bts fan and I never even thought about that...
True... i get mocked for being an army.
Also it's sad to see that people assume you are gay if you listeb to kpop. Coming from a straight man, like this is music? Let me listen my BS&T in peace.
Oh gosh. I wish people would just be kind. That’s it. Let’s Just be kind and understanding to each other and have hate and fights stop with US.
"Because deep down so much good could happen if people just decided to see us." Thanks Elliot for another great video. I truly felt what you were talking about at the end of the video and even found myself getting emotional.
I too have the same exhaustion, but I continue to do what I can for bts as 1 individual - 1 individual can become an army with millions. Excuse the corniness, but it's true - so many voices behind bts all saying the same thing: 'we see you and we hear you' @ the tannies & ARMY. Regardless of what anyone says, I'm forever thankful for bts and ARMY as their strongest supporters.
🙌🏼💜
💜💜💜
aaassnd I'm crying
What are tannies?
@@OK-zq4ob bts
Thank you for making me proud of being an army again.
Being an army, i often suffer from self doubt and the endless amount of criticism eventually gets to me and i start to question if being an army means I'm a bad person.
I know that when i became an army i made an effort to understand myself which has been a great challenge my entire life. I know that when i became an army i learned about so many thing i would've never been interested in learning otherwise. Armys' diversity made me see and look at how people think and live beyond what i know.
I hate when people around me who don't expect me to be an army, say "yeah but you're not crazy like them" or "yeah but you only like the group not the fandom right?”.
I like it. I like being an army.
True
I exactly felt the same way
I've been drowning in self doubt for so long.
When I first got into bts, I’ll admit I didn’t want to call myself an army because of all the crazy things I had heard about the fandom. I had only heard about how toxic they were. Eventually I learned about amazing things armies do and I am so proud to be apart of this fandom. They are like one big amazing family who loves and supports an artist. They do so many kind things for people and the world. Of course there are some toxic stans, there will always be toxics stans. But you just have to remember that those people are not the whole of the fandom.
Just like you bts helped me look into myself and learn so much about myself. They make me smile and laugh and inspire me so much. This fandom makes me feel like I’m not alone and I know if I ever go to a bts concert I know I could befriend just about anyone there. 💜
@@kew884 thank you for your comment, I'm so glad you got to enjoy being an army eventually 🥺 and yes, I went to one concert and it was so incredibly easy to talk to other armys and make friends! I hope you get to experience that too.
Yes! Im so proud to be an army! Its so sad that people stop liking BTS because of the fandom :(
and army is so happy to have you !! we have amazing people in this fandom too just like you 🥺 also ur story is so perfectly said
I think that one of the most frustrating things is the absolute illogical idea that they know _more_ about your interest than you do. That after you've dedicated countless valuable hours of your life to enjoying and understanding an artist, they, who'd not ever bothered to extend enough respect to research or listen to the artist with so much as an open mind, now think that _they_ can tell _you_ the _truth_ about the artist.
If you tell them that the songs are meaningful, they'll tell _you_ that you can't understand them anyway and that it's all just white noise. If you tell them that they work hard, they'll tell _you_ that they're just plastic, talentless dolls. If you tell them that they changed your life, that they saved you, that that make you happy, _they'll look at you like you're crazy._
At the end of the day, you're made to know that the thing that _excites_ you, the thing that you're _passionate_ about, the thing that you're _actually educated_ about, is subject to be reduced to the ideas of someone who doesn't realistically know a _thing_ about it.
It's this patronizing, painful exchange of:
"Their lyricism is incredible."
"You know most of those people don't even write their own songs, right?"
Speaking directly down to you. Rather than even any sliver of open-mindedness ("Don't most of them not write their own songs?" - inquiring your insight), simply the absolute minimization of your education on the subject, as if you don't even have the mental capacity.
It makes you feel like you're not a human because you're not being treated as one. You're being seen as a fool. A brainwashed zombie who has to be reminded that they're brainwashed. An intellectual degenerate of the human race who isn't evolved enough to pursue quality or coherence. For what? For liking an artist?
But the reality is, _they're_ the brainwashed ones. Conditioned to believe in a certain set of ideologies. They're the ones on the bandwagon: the hate bandwagon. They're the ones who are under-researched and who claimed a stance without any information. No matter what you say to them, no matter what perspective or evidence you give them, they will not receive, research, verify, or even demonstrate a willingness to change their minds. They will warp _everything_ into their narrow space of comprehension. _That is being brainwashed._ But the hypocrisy is unbearable.
What you said here really sums it all up. We're tired. We're so _tired._
When something has such a profound, positive impact on you, _you want to tell the world._ But the world has been turned against you. It's an inexplicable pain to be unable to share in something so intricately significant to you for fear of being entirely dehumanized by even those closest to you. To be fitted to a box for the very thing that makes you feel free. To be seen as only your label instead of the immense internal change.
That's just the thing. They think that the dark patch is a phase, and when you suddenly start to come out of it, it's just the phase ending. If you tell them that the sudden happiness and alleviation came from a K-Pop artist, you're a crazy fan and that's a phase, too. Yes, your actions speak for themselves, until somebody else decides to speak for your actions.
Thank you so much for this organized, articulate, informative, and honest video, where we can all find comfort and understanding. This perspective and empathy is very much needed in this community, and I'm so grateful for your voice for us in this matter. First video, and I'm subscribing. I hope only the greatest things for you in the future.
ARMY, fighting. 💜
P.S. I'm sorry about the essay, but this theme, to me, is very prevalent and I wanted to articulate it to the best of my ability.
People choose what they wanna see and thats why i dont even waste my breath trying to explain anymore. Ppl who i have been so close with started treating me different just because i started liking BTS and when I defend BTS i get called sensitive or soft when its not the case.
And its not fair how they can enjoy their music but when it comes to mine, im the stupid one? At this point im tired too and dont care what anyone has to say about my interests especially if they choose not to listen. Im gonna continue to love bangtan regardless of what anyone says or think of me
great comment
We keep fighting!!
I purple u 💜💜
BTS is gay.
@@applearmy3809 Exactly. It's demeaning to your integrity when they choose to assume the worst of your choices. Like, how can they claim to be close to you and simultaneously not trust your judgement or intellect? How can they claim to be close to you, yet generalize you rather than see you as the individual? What makes their music so special that they can listen to it in peace when you can't?
At some point, you just have to discern when not to waste your breath, and you seem to already have gotten that idea. You're just weeding the garden at this point, so don't you fear. All who will be left will be the people who truly see you.
Fighting. We are in this together, and we always will be. 💜
If you poke fun at a group of thousand of people constantly, do you expect them to stay there and do nothing ? Of course, some of us (ARMY) react too much, but it’s bound to happen for every single fandom ever, not just us. Stop making fun of us and say afterward that “They’re crazy and overreacting” if your not ready to receive the backlash from your joke. We’re just tired of being made fun of, so if you want a kind response to your “jokes” (this apply to everyone), go somewhere else.
This video is a blessing, I’m very happy that you’re part of our fandom !
is it bad that i almost started crying when i watched this because i'm just so tired of people assuming stuff about our fandom and someone finally said it properly :")
sunayna pls don't cry cause of them were know how our fandom truly is we know that yes there are some delulu's in our fandom but most of us are actually pretty cool and are fine as long as people don't make stupid assumptions about the boys, those people honestly have nothing better to do that's why they hate. Stay strong 💜 stay safe 💜
it's not bad, it's relatable lol
Oyin Olubayo bruh i thought of leaving the fandom because armchairs were so rude to me and bashed me b/c imma multi... well, ill stay being an ARMY only for BTS
neozxnv 。 why the hell are they rude to you cause you like other groups as well that's dumb anyways don't leave cause of that cause it's not doing BTS any good also I'm a multi stan as well, ATEEZ, GOT7, ITZY, EVERGLOW, SEVENTEEN, EXO, NCT and so on. It doesn't make me love BTS any less 💜💜stay safe. Ps I'm sry you had to go through getting hate from people because of that.
Oyin Olubayo ive seen multiple armys bash on multis and say we are “cheating on them” im not a kpop stan anymore but stan a few groups + bts... ive left the fandom before and i feel very stupid for it bc bts didnt do anything wrong!! im not stanning armys 😭 so im an army again even though i rlyyy dislike some armys
This legit almost made me cry. I nearly forgot the reason we fight and stand up for ourselves, and nearly fell into the narrative that my sister kept telling me "armys are always overreacting", but you made me realize our reason again, thank you so much. I genuinely love both you and your content
Time to change the flipping world.
@@BramLastname Exactly!!
almost? oh how i wish that were me lol
@@franny6221 😂 I don't cry easily for some reason
@@BramLastname yes!
THANK YOU. The reason I want to push bts so high is because I genuinely want more people to hear bts’ message because it’s helped so many of us and can possibly help more if people would just give it a chance. Not cuz Taehyung is beautiful.
But also ‘cause taehyung is beautiful. 😉
Yes but I think there should be a balance of not pushing it on others, I heard about bts before I was army and my friend liked them and sent it to our gc and it got overwhelming. I think be respectful and let people decide on their own.
my dog hate me i didn’t mean it like that, I agree with you. By “push bts high” I meant that’s why I stream their music and stuff to get them to top the charts cuz I want people to actually pay attention to their music. I want people to recognize them because the American music market is treated like the only one that matters. BTS gets almost no radio play but still end up charting pretty high because of fan efforts to stream and buy their music. I don’t mean bombarding people online about them or anything like that and I hate the fancam thing on Twitter. If someone doesn’t seem interested or if things start to get out of hand, I wouldn’t push them down anyone’s throat.
Michelle M why do you think that? I personally only stream when I have time to. And many bts fans have lives outside of the fandom. Trust me, you don’t want ARMYs catching you saying stuff like this because it’s a big misconception and people say it all the time and it kinda offends those of us who really do have a life. When people say the same untrue things about you all the time, eventually you’re not gonna take it anymore, you know what I mean??
@@jade-rj3ge I get the pushing agenda, some fans do this. They try to make others whose music taste doesn't match, force them to listen to BTS. Yeah, this is not good.
Let's accept that if the person is lucky he ir she will find BTS by themselves. Let's not force them.
you know, i’ve met an actual hater and they get angry over everything, mostly over stupid stuff. she told me she was planning on ruining bts’s reputation by making fake facebook accounts and mass commenting on army’s pages and posts. she told me that, and she knows i’m an army. and it was over a post about bts being the better version of nsync/backstreet boys. that was it. and so i told her, the only people who post those types of stuff (comparing bts to other bands) are the ones who want to get viral by fighting other fandoms. they’re new to the fandom and are babies and immature. she didn’t like that i said that. short friendship over.
Sounds toxic :( I'm sad people like that exist
As a black Muslim army who BTS helped mentally get better I subscribed immediately
Thank you for thinking positively and rationally
:-D
Idk what’s wrong with liking BTS who has amazing artistry and music and is clearly trying to do good in this world? Yh they look good but we’re past that. Alot of ARMY are not just young girls; older women, teenage boys, older men, toddlers, even Grammys and grandpas are fans of BTS, why must you glue your eyes in the literal 3% of the fandom that are teenage girls who are attracted to them? If ARMY isn’t being attacked by the locals, their being attacked by other kpop fans like we literally have no where to go. Then when an ARMY bites back at you you wanna go cry 🤡 it’s so funny and frustrating at the same time🙄 atleast I’m proud to say I’m a ARMY and I can’t wait for BTS to break another record because ARMY loves BTS and BTS loves ARMY despite literally everyone praying on our downfall 🥱
To be fair i FIND them attractive and i'm not gonna hide that fact because i find it ridiculous to do so.
But that like just the cherry on the cake, the cake being everything else they have to offer.
I gave them a chance because i like their dance, lyrics and energies (i watched Baepsae repetition with the cc accidentaly on lol, How to win my heart haha)
witchgroup I find them extremely attractive as well lol it’s just so annoying to think that people think that’s the only thing on army’s minds 🙄
@@christeishabrown5042 understandable :')
They just think all kpop fans are teenage obsessed girl
Preach!
Armys get so much hate, even for just appreciating bts! What the heck?!
I'm not personally into kpop but I've found your recent essays defending kpop very enlightening and see the genre in a more positive way. ty!
Thank you for being open minded!
Thank u 💜
I hope more people were like you
Kpop isn't a genre, but we need more people like you
Thank you very much for that!
I would add one thing, and it's that it's not only because of the western glass ceiling that ARMY is overzealous. It's because since before their debut, BTS were attacked, relentlessly, by basically everyone. The Korean music industry tried every dirty trick in the book to sabotage them, the Korean gp treated them as, like Suga puts it in UGH, the "village drum" anyone can hit without worry, they were mistreated in variety shows, fucked over in music shows, betrayed by their former friends (RM mixtape is a great listen) , and subject of organized attacks by other Kpop fandoms alongside ARMY, who were at the time too small in numbers to fight back.
Some things lightened up after their domestic and western success, but then others were added, like all the racist, insulting western media coverage.
So ARMY is overzealous because at all times, and since always, BTS is under attack. I just wish they'd leave us be.
Well said 👏
I think it's kinda a vicious circle. Armys get (way too) defensive when talking about BTS, which leads to people who don't listen to BTS thinking Armys are obsessive (which is true in some cases). This has as consequence that they'd hate on BTS even more (well, they actually hate Armys but they're associated to BTS so they hate the group as well) and then Armys get even more defensive. This goes on forever and it's come to a point where BTS' members can't be critisised even a little bit without Armys attacking them (and I mean actual rational critisism) and Armys not being able to show some love towards BTS without others attacking them for being stupid, obsessive, childish, etc.
I think this vicious circle could only be stopped if one of the two sides stopped what they're doing (being intolerant towards every Army or everyone who doesn't like BTS)
@@bentenv7524 Sadly, people attacking BTS started waay before, back when ARMY were a very small group and mostly in Korea (and often attacked by other idol fans, who were in the same demographic and equally "obsessive").
And honestly, I don't see anything wrong with making it so people can't dunk on complete strangers on the internet. Just because somebody has a public facing job doesn't mean they should put up with every rando's opinion. If anyone publicly criticizes my family imma tell them to shut up in the same way. If you have nothing good to say don't say anything.
@@LynnHermione I know what you mean but critique is a good thing in my eyes. Without being critisised, you're not gonna improve. I usually get angry at people who say I'm good at something when I know they just say it to make me feel good. There are people who have actual good arguments why they think any of BTS' members could improve their skills and they state these arguments in a respectful manner. Sadly, these people are also taken down by thousands of Armys.
Benten Van Nuffelen That's not the point, if BTS got criticized most of us wouldn't truly care. But they don't get criticized, they get hated on. It's different, people aren't trying to give their two cents about something, they're trying to bash them. That's why ARMYs get mad, because they don't even try to hide how biased they are about the whole situation, and if one of us try to point it out or just call them out, we get labeled as "aggressive toxic teenage girls", even if we're being truly respectful and/or it's clearly an adult talking. Most people don't care as long they get to mock the group that's everywhere, they get bothered about it and they feel the need to shit on them to prove a point.
99% of the time, the people who hate on BTS/Army acknowledge that they are ignorant but still choose not to change that. It’s honestly sad. Great video though, I’m glad you’re apart of the fandom.
Them: ARMY are toxic
ARMY: *REVERSE CARD*
Them: REEEEEEEE
this is literally it 😂
Daechwita • 20 years ago EXACTLY. Once I saw a post on reddit talking about how toxic the pewdiepie fanbase is, and it was met with TONS of outrage about how they were generalizing the entire fanbase. One comment even said “wow thanks for judging me without even knowing me” even though that’s EXACTLY what reddit does to all kpop stans, claiming that all of them are toxic. Oh the irony...
Yea lmao
I mean, army can be toxic but its not all of them.
@@id10cyy vocal minoritys ruin everything for everyone
I agree with what you said about people constantly talking about how BTS fans are toxic. Every time I hear it in a video I don’t react of course because I want to show that Army’s are not all toxic.
Abbie D.
I know right 😔 there are so many toxic armys out there that I want to kick out the fandom because they’re too loud and they overshadow the good ones.
The thing is that that's what MOST Army does cause the non toxic ARMY isn't gonna reply saying "Hi I'm not toxic" cause what does that prove? You just get attackdd and "OH BUT LPOK AT EVERYONE ELSE". For every ARMY that said something toxic there are probably 100 that jyst ignored it. There's nothing we can do we already do so much but they only care when one person does something wrong
@@seesawonezerotwosixonenine7154 exactly it comes off as ass kissing
Yeah :/ the toxic part it’s just a minority but it’s pretty loud, unfortunately
Kyle For 20 M people (like you say), saying half a billion are toxic IS a minority compared to the actual number, you said it yourself
Wow this was incredibly poignant. I’m not a bts fan and admittedly have not always been the biggest fan of bts fans but as a person into kpop in general (and tbh as someone whos been in fandom since i was a kid) i actually just relate to so much of this. Its annoying for genuine interests to be written off so often and by so many people around us. Great vid
It’s one of the most frustrating things because if everyone just left everyone to enjoy the things they like, the world would be a much better place. It’s almost like people don’t have excuses anymore, they say shit like ‘we only make these jokes about BTS because kpop stans are annoying with their fancams’ which makes zero sense because they are generalising a fandom on just the toxic fans they see and acting like every kpop fan that posts a fancam is a BTS fan, therefore BTS have to be shitted on. Majority of the time there are less BTS fancams that people post to annoy locals than other kpop group fancams. But they use any excuse, sometimes no excuse at all...
"Opinionated but I'm always spittin straight facts"
- Mark Lee and Elliot Sang (probably) ;)
I love this 😂
Yessss
one thing i hate about being an army
people will ask "are you army?"
me: "yeah."
them: "uhm.....it's ok you're a guy so you're not obsessed"
ARGHHH
i'm-
anyways
i really loved this video
if people watched this they would actually
yk
be better
i am also an guy but obsession is ok but not over obsession in limits i always stan to protect them for sure protecting them can't be over obsession
it's just ironic how when a male is fanboying over something he get's called an "enthusiast" but when a female does the same thing, she's "obsessed"
@@jjrhwy3376 yes and its disgusting like i am male and i really love bts but my gf is called obsessive, i literally don't care about that but idk y the 3rd person Dose like tf- i was the one who introduced her to bts and she is a army like me we share same brain cells and we are happy but the 3rd person always be like she likes some singer's more then you like tf i don't actually care about it since i myself like bts more then her
@@krist6714 I'm so sorry, but I didn't understand the last part of your sentence, when you mentioned the 3d person.
@@jjrhwy3376 3rd person means someone who is not that important
Yet, we are the mean ones, we are the toxic ones. Yet, we are the one that can not celebrate our achivements because "BTS is a popular group, don't act that surprised", we are the ones that are called horrible things everyday. The whole kpop community it's full of hipocrisy, because they can call us names, they can say whatever they want, but expect ARMY to stay quiet. I've been with them since I was 10, (I'm 16 now) a mexican girl that didn't had an opinion online because " You are an ARMY, no opinion". Honestly I am just so done with everything that we endure. ARMY WE ARE STRONG AND POWERFUL AND WE WILL NOT STAY QUIET ANYMORE 💜
Yeah honey you are right💀💅🏼
Fighting!💜
Preach girl!
THIS IS THE ONLY CHANNEL FOR KPOP INFORMATION WORTH GETTING RECOGNIZED.
THATS IT.
This and kpop Junkee (another really awesome guy, multiple kpop groups focused tho) are the two people I can handle. If check him out if were you
DKDTV and KpopJunkee too, though with DKDTV its more than just kpop but also political and national issues in korea
@@mochiyeosang1908, true, but they had a falling out thing with Army so I'm not subbed to them anymore
Lachimolala what happened?
Broken Hotdog, one of them basically went on a podcast and said something like they wished BTS wasn’t as popular so other Korean artists could get recognized. When Armys questioned him about it, he got defensive and snappy which wasn’t received well.
I heard someone say the BTS gets hate more than Seungri and- that had me shook.
That makes me sad :(
When you actually think about it not really because 1. BTS is bigger than him 2. BTS have bigger fandom 3. All Seungri gets is hate lmaooo when BTS has majority supporters
noojmaN same
Everyone basically forgot and forgave him
@@benita8856 for real
Great vid as always! Gotta love how when gamers spread misinformation on the kpop industry, "trigger" teenage girls for fun, post slurs and other straight up racist and homophobic shit and mock idol suicides it's considered nothing more than trolling or dark humor, yet kpop fans are called toxic for posting videos of people dancing
That's not to say that fancams can't be toxic but like... one of these things is inherently worse than the other, at least in my opinion
society loves putting down interests that are considered "girly". guys rioting on the streets because of sports? cool. girls posting videos of their favorite musicians? toxic and cringy. ive sen sports fans putting fancams in their replies and only getting positive feedback
i never even thought about that.. wow. so true, people love to bring bts down through insults etc. and then proceed to lecture about how the FANDOM is toxic... hypocrisy at its finest. of course there are toxic fans, and same goes for literally every other fandom but people love to ignore that fact... armys are ridiculed for it more often than other fandoms probably because of how large the fandom is. the larger the fandom, the louder it is, which means more toxic people unfortunately. :(
this. just, this. it's so strange that we're all put in a box when other fan groups (specifically, western fan groups) don't get the same treatment. armys do So Much good, but people let the minority overshadow it. we're one of the largest fandoms in the world, of Course there's gonna be people that are quick to anger or are toxic etc, but there's So Many that actively do good. being an army makes me want to do better every day, and i hope someday people will see that, too
Did you already forget about beliebers and directioners? Outside of the racial element (which is important) how are the boys treated any differently?
@@denzelwenzel omg western Chinese and Korean media change their articles plus the artists you've mentioned get airplay but bts is the only artist in the top 5 who has no airplay....
Billboard miscalculating ON...
BTS being bashed for not talking about SOPA scandal and american election when they are not Americans.....
BTS even said themselves after interviews they hear interviewers speaking Ill of them....
BTS has being hated on interviews but the leader changes it to something positive for the members..
They carry all hate thrown into kpop...
They out chart plus being the only artist to chart in 21 music markets but you will see an artist who charted in only 2 markets being given all awards...
ARMY is one of the most welcoming and supportive fandom I have seen
Say it with me
People who disrespect BTS without even knowing them are jealous of them.
I don't think the joke itself was offensive - it could have been replaced with "if BTS get kidnapped by aliens ARMy will build the Enterprise in a week" and send the same message. The problem is that you CANNOT joke about something that people are actually in danger of, on top of the racism behind choosing BTS and not, say, Beyonce. But it's low-level shittyness from a known edgelord.
Finneas is a fucking *colleague* of BTS. He was COMPLETELY out of line. Also the fact that BE did not know (or pretended not to know, although she kinda lives in a cloud so I believe her) BTS when the MOST RETWEETED TWEET OF 2019 and the 3rd in history is a vid of Jungkook dancing to Bad Guy shows how much Americans in particular dismiss anything they didn't make.
And that's the cold hard truth.
wheres the lie?👏👏😤
Yup.....I wasn't offended by the joke because it has truth to it, and honestly? I laughed a bit at it. And preach sis (not assuming your gender, so please correct me in you are a guy or gender fluid)
@@noranason6521 right I laughed too but the times right now it just wasn’t a good look
@@tella5654 Mhm, I totally understand.
It’s frustrating cause I’ll notice myself finding a way to like things less because I know there’s a lot of people who don’t like it, but then army reminds me that other people who like bts exists and I don’t wanna sit here and act like I’m not an army when I am, bts has helped me through so much! If I like it I like it, it really sucks trying not to be as passionate about something because it’s considered too much or too weird, I’m tired of it!!! If my mom doesn’t like it or my friends don’t like it, whatever!! It’s still making me happy a this moment and that’s all that matters, I’ve learned so much from this group and I will continue to support them until they disband, Idc what people say, it’s my interest why does it matter to you?
THAT'S IT! That's exactly how I was feeling a time ago, I was starting to became an army and I wanted to talk and follow BTS and everything but I was just to afraid about what people could think or say, actually some friends of mine really hurt me when they say bad things about it, it's okay not like something but why what I like is stupid and what they like is just so "cool"? So lately I just was so done with that shit and I just don't give a FUCK anymore, I post about BTS everyday, I talk about what I wanna talk, I say that I'm an army everytime, because the truth is that we should be glad that we're not like this people who have such close mind, that live so deep and blind in their own world that can't see or understand anything different without judging, so I feel really, really grateful and happy to know BTS, to live in the same time as them, to be a fan of such honest artists who do such good music, and damn, life is short, let's live, let's like and love what we love, we're happy? So that's it! Time flies, I'm happy I live in the same time as BTS so I'm gonna make it worth!!! FIGHTING ARMY, YOU'RE NOT ALONE!!! 💜
Wait...someone needs to explain why we put Spanish music on the radio even tho 80% of the listeners doesn’t understand but we can’t put kpop
Because they're completely different genres of music with completely different I fluences?
@@RealityBoat not exactly the main argument people have is " I don't understand korean' or why would I listen to a song in a different language. When spanish songs (shocking it's not english) are played on the radio
@@tbhidk spainish is a very universal language spoken across many countries just like english so it would make sense that it has a broader appeal compared to a language spoken only in one place
@@RealityBoat yeah that's very true
maybe cuz more people in the west speak Spanish while very few speak korean? idk man :/
As a former Kpop stan the reason why they tend to be so "sensitive" is most likely because they already get so much hate both online and in person
Ikr
Hoshii
this is the worst hate bts has ever gotten and its just breaking me. if you're an "anti" reading this please stop. just stop. racism isnt okay.
so sad those people are born to be toxic. honestly I don't understand are those people don't learn in school about how to be kind how to respect people... or maybe they don't expose yet to real world that we are different to each other in term of race, religion, interest, personality etc.. i just don't get it wt this people..
@Estela Lopez I see you commenting in every kpop vid this guy has put out you think we're gonna believe a local more than the fans. No, so? Bts are some of the most humble and genuine people you'll ever meet and see. If you want proof got checkout their behind the scenes, they seem the same as on and off camera so just stop commenting as if you know.
@@Kairena2103 That girl surely knows that what she's saying is wrong, and she's trying to convince people that what she's saying is true, but failing miserably at the attempt since ARMY and other K-Pop stans are not stupid.
@@emitheorbit1118 forreal they act as if they're doing a favor
man i hope this goes viral, it sure deserves it. you explain your thoughts and views so well and obviously put a LOT of work into it.
i dont use social media bc i dont need to be told by people 24/7 my favorite band sucks and i suck too for it, so i didn't know about this tweet situation. it's nothing new, and not surprising but still disappointing. funny thing is this sort of treatment happens ALL THE TIME if a majority-female-fan-group gets too big, we get told we're obsessed and crazy and dumb, but most of the time these people are more obsessed with us then we are with whatever it is we're enjoying (music, movies, shows, books...) and rarely (if ever) have an open mind or kind words. it's more than "i dont like what you like", it's "i hate what you like and also you and i'm going to be very vocal about it now". i've seen and experienced it time and time again, now at 24, i'm just tired.
anyway, thank you for this very intelligent and well made video, good luck with everything. subscribed!
edit: i forgot to say, that billie eilish video at the end was perfect haha
The thing that annoys me most is he knows how all of his fans are. He knows his fans are racist, xenophobic, homophobic, ableist, and so on. He can tweet whatever he wants about BTS and the comments will be full of hate. Frost tweeting about BTS is giving the green light to his fans to say whatever they want about BTS. I’m tired honestly
I mean I'm sure every fandom in the world has terrible people. Humans are shitty. He can't control what his fans do
it's a little funny. "why are they so overprotective and obsessive?" they ask as they continue the cycle by disrespecting bts. it's like asking why a child keeps on eating more and more when it's YOU who has your hand stretched out to feed them. what results do you expect? at that point, it's not the child at fault, it's the hand that feeds them.
ikr, bts and army always getting so many hate comment and they wanna expect we just chill & not angry 😒 Nah bro ,Army Sick and tired about Antis/Haters and that's why we overprotective BTS
I think a better example would be asking "Why are you so defensive?" while they keep jabbing and hitting you.
“I feel more like myself than I ever have”. That rlly made me tear up a little bc that’s exactly how I feel about it. Bts and being army isn’t my whole identity. Not by far but they’ve genuinely helped me become more confident and grow as a person
This is why I deleted Twitter as a whole. There’s such so much going on there I cannot even handle.
Ikr same. It affected my mental health a lot😔
Me too. It was really awful.
Elliot! 🔥
adam!!!
FJFNFIFJ ADAM
bts is for everyone and at the same time it’s not for everyone...who will listen with prejudice
Seriously, your channel is underrated
the fist time i met this channel, i shared with many people as possible.
It is!
Hating people without a reason is embarassing. I would never hate a person without a logical reason.
true. especially just for the reason that you wanna hate on their fans and get clicks on twitter
@@mariel7475 its so embarassing in my opinion
there is a reason tho: bts stans acting like retards
Our fandom's like highschool freshmen. The louder, crazier people are who everyone looks at, whereas the normal quieter ones are overlooked
Thanks a lot for this, for a wile now I stopped telling people about being an army, as an 28 year old accountant the moment people finds out they automatically think I’m childish, unprofessional and less capable, it gets tiring having to win over the prejudice of clients and colleagues, but you remind me why I should be proud.
I honestly LOVE your essays. Your research and how reasonable the points you make is unpatched. Like I can't describe how much I connect to, appreciate and respect your videos. The points you make take the words out of my mouth and then push me forward. Please dont ever stop what you're doing- I look forward to every essay you make because it gives me the validation, clarity, and perspective I need to become reassured, less ignorant, and more confident in my self and my beliefs. Thank you 💜
If froste is proud that he *only* made $20,000 for charity and is still making fun of BTS, then he should know that my Bangtannie boys have donated millions to different charities and organizations and us ARMYs have also donated in their names and helped so many people because we were inspired by BTS.
I really don’t appreciate that so many people only look at what you called the vocal minority and they refuse to look at the majority of kind hearted Armys. BTS has helped so many people through their music and they’ve helped me through some murky times.
I’m sick and tired of people at my school thinking me and some of my friends that also like Kpop are weird. They think we only care about Kpop for their looks but they never truly try to understand us. They never watch a MV or listen to a song. Some of my teachers have looked into BTS and have watched a MV or two or just looked up a song and understand the fandoms. They understand why we like them. My teachers have looked at the lyrics and have seen what they mean to us. One of my teachers listened to the Truth Untold and she understands what the song means to us. These people at my school who give me or my friends weird looks because we like Kpop are so annoying.
Me and my friends are also Asians and my friends have gotten looks and have been told things like “Corona time!” Or “Ooooohh! Look! It’s the corona breed!” Or “Stay away from her! She’s probably infected!”. I haven’t been told anything like that because my dad is American and I have double eyes lids and light skinned, as if I was just another American, just slightly yellow toned. My friends are genuinely hurt by these dumb people’s words and actions and I feel so bad for my friends. Their indirect words also hurt me too. These people have to realize that saying that type of stuff isn’t funny and it’s not going to help anyone. People can be so dumb.
My friends and I live in America btw
Sorry if this was really long
I purple you Army! Stay strong and healthy! We can get through this virus and ignorant people together! 💜💜💜
"Now I feel like more like myself than I ever have"
I became a fan in late Feb 2020 and this is exactly how I feel. Before being exposed to BTS, I was dismissive of them and categorized them as something I can never relate to. After I gave them an honest deep dive, I was astounded by my ignorance. To see millions of people share a positive world view through a pop culture figure was something I never imagined would exist. Their music helped me heal my personal struggles - the reason why I am protective of them. I am dedicated and passionate about them because they changed my life, to say the least. I feel like myself more than ever.
Thank you for articulating everything we've been feeling and experiencing. It sucks to constantly be the world's punching bag just because people refuse to see how good and decent the fandom really is... People constantly accuse the whole fandom of bullying and sending hate to other groups, but don't they think if it really was the entire fandom doing this, we would have trended hashtags or phrases? We constantly ACCIDENTALLY trend keywords WORLDWIDE almost weekly, it would be effortless for us to trend hate if we truly wanted to. But we don't.
You made me cry.
I rarely cry, but this situation has been bothering me for years, ever since I became a BTS fan.
I'm never letting people label our fandom the worst things just because they have prejudices and they don't want to understand.
So many times ARMYs said the right things, in more than 2 years being active in the fandom (let's not count 1 year in which I wasn't following the community and I was pretty much being a stan "on my own") I've seen so many smart arguments completely ignored by kpop stans, journalists, critics, locals, gamers, literally anyone who isn't an ARMY at this point. And I'm tired of it because whatever they want to hate us for, they don't apply those standards to everyone, just to who they want to demonize.
I've never seen such a dedicated, smart, and overall good fandom in my life.
I'll forever be grateful to ARMY for opening my eyes, making me learn about issues and helping making a change in this world.
BTS and ARMY helped me realize I, too, had prejudices I needed to get rid of and they helped me find my voice again when I had lost any hope of living in a better world.
DesertOrSea no one cares
@@hermancastillo8498 Clearly you do if you're here
Honestly, if BTS says “Army stops global warming” Armys would freeze the earth over. Like Armys just need to be given a time to ride. Do we ride are dawn or Night?😂😂😂 I stan a organized fandom.
I know I’m super late but w/e...It’s so hard being a kpop stan especially A BLACK STAN. Kpop is literally the only thing that makes me happy and it’s like ashamed of telling people I like it. I am tireddd😀
As an ARMY, I feel very upset when someone calls me “obsessive fan” or as someone who is “overly obsessed” over BTS. I, myself, listen to BTS songs for healing. Their music inspired me in so many ways and kept me motivated. I just wish they would at least say, “I’m glad they make you happy.” or something similar to that. I just don’t want to be labeled as someone who is obsessed. At least I’m a 13 year old girl that doesn’t chase BTS around nor try to get close to them. I’ve been living well and the reason is because of BTS. They saved my life. But the other person decides to call me “obsessive fan”?? Seriously, what did I do to deserve this? ://
Haters gonna hate. Players gonna play.
Live a life man. Good luck
I'm happy and proud that "Someone like you is a Army". Who make this video, who understands. And that's what we needed.
Thank you.
i‘m actually a silent viewer and usually i don’t comment under videos...but this video was really really impressive! i like the way how you stated your opinion and used good arguments! i‘ll definitely continue watching your videos!
BTS changed my life too, I'm so happy when I find people who also acknowledge the positive impact BTS's music make on so many people. Treat these artists with respect people!
the hate they receive is digusting, not just within the locals/gamer/western side of things but within the kpop community itself. they're demonized over everything and its honestly just so exhausting. i've left the kpop community as a whole but i still support bts.
I almost got to tears whilst watching this. Kpop has literally helped me get past anxiety. These people think that want to marry them or summat, when I want to smile.
Same, especially when he started listing our donations
crybaby lmfao
I don’t even know why, but this made me cry. I have been an army for around a year and a half, which is not that long, but many things have happened in that time. I’ve always been trying to not let what people say about BTS or Army get to me and not engage with comments like this one on twitter. Lately though, It’s been really tiring. Sometimes it really gets me down. It’s this feeling of being completely powerless and not knowing what to do, or knowing that you can’t actually do anything to fix the situation.
I am Indian and i have dark skin and so many people have teased me about this they tell me to drink plain milk and not chocolate milk and i see everywhere that lighter skinned indians are preferred in bollywood movies even if they are south indian! there are no foundations for darker skin tones in india and every single face product say white and like and angel LIKE WUT so if ur dark you cant be an angel! i used to hate getting tanned outside in the sun bts taught me to love myself and stanning was the best decision i ever made
sorry if i made any mistakes im so mad i cant type (and i dont have many braincells xD)
Before I get into my reflection, I would like to say that this video was really insightful, and I also loved the essay style to the video, with a introduction to the topic at hand, the evidence, and the explanation behind everything, as well as a conclusion. I think you did a really good job at explaining your thoughts.
I came here and watched this with a open mind. For someone who does not listen to BTS -- my reason being that I don't understand the language to be able to appreciate the music -- I also was one of the people who saw Froste's tweet as a joke, not understanding why he received so much hate. In fact, I would like to claim that Froste's intent with the tweet was not to spew hate against BTS fans either, and that he also did not know what it meant to tweet something like that. I also used to think, from only being exposed to the perspective of the non-BTS fans, that BTS fans were dedicated to the band-members and I fed into most of the stereotypes. But, I am from Asia myself, and although I am not from Eastern Asia, I empathize with those who are subjected to the xenophobic comments that many people make these days, especially due to the current global situation. I absolutely do not identify with those hateful people, but I still like to believe that many of them did not know that their comments were in fact xenophobic, and that they too may have been simply attempting (however, failing) to make a joke. I also do not think the actions, behaviors, and comments of the leader of the Western superpower country help to decrease the xenophobia and racism (that's a topic for another time).
But now that I have watched this video and processed the information presented, I would like to thank you, Elliot, for calmly presenting the opposing perspective. I have now understood why the tweet was insensitive towards the BTS fandom, and in fact agree to a certain extent that Froste's tweet was not the best worded. But, I still do not believe that Froste deserves the hate (and the terrible threats) that he received from the tweet, because -- just like you mentioned -- I don't think he was ill-intentioned with the tweet, but that he simply wanted to make a joke, and slide in there his appreciation (perhaps?) for how dedicated BTS fans are, but do agree that he use that as a learning opportunity regarding xenophobia, racism, and stereotypes. I do however find him in the wrong for the other tweets that you cited.
Nonetheless, I hope other people also gained a new perspective in this issue, and perhaps came to realize that some of their beliefs regarding stereotypes were not true.
Thank you for watching with open mind and trying to get our point when others didn't. I would also like to add that if he had worded the tweet differently like e.g. 'If BTS wished for a Coronavirus vaccine, their stans would find a cure in 24h' that would give the intended (?) dedicated fandom outlook without the burden on the asian group. This tweet also came after weeks of us BTS fans encounter wishes of them getting the virus or death from non fans and especially from the gaming community just because any associated news on them apparently correlated with coronavirus jokes. After a not so good first interaction with Froste, this one felt as much antagonizing as every other.
Hope my ramblings make sense, english isn't my first language. Thanks for reading.
@Estela Lopez its not related to this comment. Stop commenting the same thing everywhere
umm.... Now that bts has said things about facing racism in the west...Forste still thinks the anger asian fans of bts had towards him were all "childish".... surely no one deserves to get death threats but i can careless about him when he still so ignorant.... he is socially privileged and he doesn't seems to know the microagression people have towards asians in general.... Like you i am also person who doesn't know a thing about kpop but still i think Froste is very very very ignorant.....
hello,
i'm not a part of BTS ARMY anymore, but i really appreciate your way of approaching this situation.
you analysed it with logic instead of emotion but found a way to include how it affected you and the fandom.
i just want to say that i am extremely grateful that you covered this topic, as many communities have struggled with hate and not many people decide to step out and voice their opinion in fear of more hate directed towards them.
as a matter of fact, i strive to approach problems and hurtful situations like you have done in this video.
this might sound stupid, but you really inspired me to get my stuff together and start standing up for myself in every sense possible.
thank you for protecting ARMY and hopefully any other community affected by these comments.
respectfully,
saya
Literally thank actual god that there’s someone who’s talking about the actual truth on how the majority of not just army’s but stans of many different groups actually think and feel. Like, Beyoncé fans, Star Wars fanatics, go crazy if you talk shit about them but it’s not what the rest of the world focuses on. I often feel so alone when I’m talking about how I’m not some crazy Stan and my friends make fun of me for it and call me a koreaboo or something. Foreigners who listen to and enjoy western music aren’t ameraboos or whatever, they’re just allowed to like the music. I’m really glad this was in my recommended, you just gain a subscriber
Seeing that thumbnail I actually smiled. Not because I thought they were obsessive, but because I thought it was cute to see someone making a joke over the fact that BTS fans are so dedicated, loving, and caring of them that they would do anything for them. To me it was truly just an adorable joke!
I guess I'm not one to talk, since I am not an ARMY myself.
But if you are an ARMY, just know I completely support you.
The obsessive fans are absolutely not the majority, and they should not be used as a stereotype for every fan.
The media (sometimes) only shows/speaks about negative things army's have done but don't shine the light on positive things the fandom have done and it's not fair to them. I really wish people would understand that EVERY fandom has a toxic side. Idk I just find it really unfair to them :/
things ARMYs can’t do without being judged, criticized, hated, and called horrible things
1. praise BTS for their hard work and achievements
2. defend BTS when they are hated on
3. listen to their music
4. smile
5. breathe
6. exist
it’s true😔🤦♀️
I feel like one of bts’s song- Ugh describes this situation perfectly in a way. People putting/showing their anger towards things that are kinda dumb in a way. All people should be putting all this energy into something that matters. Such as helping others and doing whatever you can during this pandemic.
I don't advertise the fact that im an Army purely because im afraid of backlash, the toxicity surrounding the stigma of Kpop is almost unbearable. Even my closest friends who i love very much look down on me for my love of this group. Group mentality and needlessly lashing out because of uninformed stereotypes is honestly the wort thing ever. I feel almost unsafe and uncomfortable because i cant truly express and share my love for their art.
I’m so glad to have found your work. All of your videos and articles on BTS/Kpop are so well spoken. Often I find I had similar viewpoints but whenever I did not you were able to open my eyes to a different perspective. This tweet for example, I was unaware of the previous tweets and didn’t understand the uproar. I saw horrible things said from all sides that day. It broke my heart. I didn’t do any digging on it though. I put this video in my watch later when it was posted because I hoped you could help me understand. This video gave me more insight. I am a part of Star Wars fandom and I very much appreciate the moments that were added about it. My section of that fandom is treated almost identical to how army is often treated. I would very much like to see an end to this type of discrimination. It will take time but as long as there are people like you and the army you discussed at the end, I have hope. Thank you 💜
I actually teared up watching too
Thank you for this. My friend told me what the tweet said, but in her own words, and she couldn't understand why it made me upset. This video laid down my thoughts and feelings perfectly. Thank you.
You ever been so passionate about something that when someone insults it, you just tear up because you're too frustrated and can't the words out? Very thankful we have well-spoken people like you on the fandom
bts has prevented me from killing myself during these almost two years of pandemic. The confinement added another level of anxiety to what I already lived here in my country, Venezuela. If anyone knows how the situation is quite difficult. Anyway, I discovered bts and my days have been better ,they open up a whole world for me in kpop and I start listening to other groups and I become a multistan. Also, I start to watch Korean dramas and get interested in their culture. but speaking specifically of bts they teach me through their songs that I am not alone, that I should love myself and that I am valuable. they make me really happy. I wish the best for these 7 talented guys. alex 35 years old venezuela 9/7/2021
you explained my thoughts PERFECTLY. i spent hours that day trying to explain exactly what you described but you explained it so much more eloquently than i ever could’ve
I just want to cry. I don't understand why we can't just enjoy something we like. It fucking hurts.
I am literally crying, thanks a lot for this... sometimes it's very difficult to be on twitter due to so much racism, discrimination and ignorance that you see on a daily basis.
Have a nice day Elliot :)
I feel like the reason why a lot of ARMYs are a little overprotective is because of BTS’ past. Anyone who would take a glance at them would be like, “Oh, they’re a famous kpop group, that’s it.” In reality, ARMY know a lot more about the members than them, and have seen the things that they’ve been through. BTS were looked down upon, they received criticism, they didn’t have a lot of money, people doubted them, and their shows would get cut. I believe that ARMY has seen these things and refuse to let the past repeat: let the members see hate and not have anyone to support them and comfort them. We want to protect them and let them know that we’re there for them. BTS have been at the lowest and they worked hard, as well as any other group, idol, artist, athlete, or any other human in general. I am able to see both sides of an argument, and I understand where certain people are coming from. I just think that our society should learn how to respect others and become more understanding. Anyways, I Purple You 💜💜💜
I am a 48 yr old mother, a baker, full time mother, I love books, I love good food, I love to make cakes and breads, and I love BTS.
whether you are an army or not, you have to applaud army’s for their charity work. many armies donated the money from ticket refunds towards coronavirus and did so many other things as well
14:36. That whole reply from the first tweet totally explained everything in a broad idea, like i doubt most of the listeners of "Despacito" knew what he was actually saying. But really thank you for covering this!!!
First of all, thank you so much for this incredible video. I'm so tired of the countless amount of people who think disliking BTS or K-pop, in general, makes them cool and quirky. It's totally fine to have an opinion or different taste but blatantly hating something simply because many people like it, doesn't make you edgy. Also, the stereotype that only teenage girls enjoy k-pop is ridiculous as k-pop fanbases are extremely diverse and if you think otherwise then you probably need a reality check. Also, If you are a teenage girl who is a fan BTS or k-pop there is NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. People need to stop linking young girls who support artists and enjoy their music as 'obsessive' and 'crazy' because it is completely wrong. I am so glad I joined the BTS fandom as met so many wonderful, creative and intelligent people. You guys are amazing.
sir i think you dropped this 👑 ...
don’t drop it again king:)
They come at us and then say we're toxic 😪😪