My take is that Starfleet has had a few basic designs each of which expanded and evolved over time, with NX-01 serving as the fundamental basis of all of them. This is why in the TNG era, the Miranda-class and some of its variants were seen more than once -- at the same time we had almost the same number of sightings of the much larger Nebula-class, which shares the Miranda's same basic configuration. This is similar to the fact that the Excelsior-class and Galaxy-class were occasionally seen together, and both of those classes have the same basic configuration, as well. So while the Miranda-class may not have existed _by name_ in the TOS era, the immediate predecessor to its design almost certainly did, albeit with a service range significantly less than that of the Constitution-class, which would give us an "out" for why we never saw it canonically during TOS -- because the events of TOS were almost invariably far outside the reach of that class of ship.
I always saw the Miranda as a new ship launched near the time of the TMP Refit era ships ere being designed. And very very few were actually in the TOS configuration save one or two and all others were redesigned for the TMP refit.
I hate to say it, but it's not a theory that can be disputed, but canon information. The USS Reliant, as indicated by the presence of her registry number on charts, was at Starbase 11 during the TOS episode "Court Martial". Her commemorative plaque was also seen in Picard S2 Ep1 "The Star Gazer", revealing that she was commissioned into service in 2264.
Eh registry numbers have been well observed as having little logic behind them so you can’t really rely on it. Otherwise USS Grisholm would have been a late 22nd century starship. They are a topic of a future planned video
WRONG!!! That proves the new Star Trek is not canon in my opinion. The Reliant NCC-1864 was an uprated Surya Class vessel and was officially commissioned as an Avenger Class Heavy Frigate on 22 April 2258. NOTE: There is NO USS MIRANDA to be found in this list! www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/blueprints/general-plans-uss-avenger-class-sheet-3.jpg
@@Thin447Line the first piece of evidence I provided was from The Original Series. I should also note that the class was always known as the Miranda Class before Lower Decks showed one, given that the name dates back to the production of The Next Generation. Now quit acting like a baby because the franchise you like is going in a direction you don’t like.
@@Ty-yt3lj Nope. The Avenger lore was established as early as 1983. It was the idiot Next Gen writers that deviated from established lore and created their own narrative. Since they were on the Paramount payroll at the time, their discombobulated gibberish became "official canon." The franchise IS going in a direction I don't like. Star Trek is dead to me after the horrible "Discovery" series. Everything that deviates from true canon is conveniently shoe-horned in by some techno-babble non-explanation like parallel universes. To ignore established sources of information in the interim years between ToS and TNG is doing a huge disservice to the dedicated content creators of the day. Miranda sucks. Avenger Rules! I don't know anything about so-called evidence that places Reliant NCC-1864 at Starbase 11 on or about Stardate 2947.3. If there is such a reference, it says NOTHING about it being a "Miranda Class" vessel. At that time, it would have been in its original Surya Class configuration before its refit to Avenger Class specifications in April of 2258.
@@Thin447Line you can’t exactly talk about ignoring hard work when you’re ignoring 90% of the franchise in favour of a few lore books from 40 years ago.
Great video. I love the idea of TOS Miranda Class vessels. It makes perfect sense to me and the original Star Fleet Technical Manual has a vessel that is extremely similar.
I do believe in actual canon the Miranda class was meant as a test bed for the refit Connie's tech but proved so useful and versatile that it was put into active service.
Really there isn’t all that much to go on. I tend to assume it introduced a lot of the tech used by star fleet in the 2270s and 80s but like the idea that it was a fully fledged design meant for serial production. Ultimately though whatever your headcanon it’s just as valid.
The Anton Class was before the Miranda and the Miranda Class was in fact a refit like the Constitution refit became the Enterprise Class. I thought that was already established. What do you think?
I've always rather liked the Miranda class. I always felt one of the less realistic things about the ST Universe is~ I don't think we would send single vessels off into unknown regions alone. I think they would send task force sized fleet. A major ship like Enterprise would be in command of the fleet with five to nine support vessels.
I actually have a similar headcanon. In my mind the Miranda began development in the late 2260s just as the larger Excelsior program got underway, the Miranda developers included the ability to add in trans warp capability if the Excelsior was successful as future proofing, and otherwise developed a whole new generation of technology. When the Excelsior experiences the first of its delays some bright spark at starfleet drew up a new spec constitution using the new parts developed for the Miranda and suggested it as a stopgap heavy cruiser while issues with excelsior were ironed out.
In my headcanon, the Franz Joseph-designed Decatur/Belknap class was the development platform for the flat nacelles (what FASA calls FWG), the Mirandas were the first vessels after that to receive the refit (unibody design being more stable; as we saw in TMP, the flat nacelles still had unresolved issues needing to be ironed out), then the Connies played catch-up. Kirk's inclination to stay out on space (and avoid promotion) means the Enterprise was among the _last_ Connies to get the refit, not the first...which is why the Excelsior project was so close to being finished. Admittedly, the NCC's originally assigned to the Belknaps belie this, but I'm much more comfortable tweaking things that weren't official canon to make them fit canon than the reverse.
Starship Class, Constitution Type -> Excelsior Class Spacecraft Class, Ptolemy/Farragut Type -> Miranda Class Scout Class, Saladin Type -> Oberth Class The Excelsior-Miranda-Oberth era lasted almost a century. While there were outliers like the Galaxy and Ambassador classes, we never see more than a couple of those. And given that a brush with a Miranda could take down a Galaxy, there's really no need for new ships either. These were meant more to show off the opulence of the Federation more than making meaningful improvements on the technology. I suspect that the Constitution-Ptolemy-Saladin era was also about a century long, putting the original launch of the first Starship class not too long after the NX-01 refit, meaning for at least two centuries, Starfleet never had more than three major designs on the go, and has only has about seven major ship designs. This tacks with reality. Now, were there variants and subtypes? Sure. The Constellation wasn't half the ship Enterprise was, and the Defiant was even tougher. Known registries on the Starship class got back to the three-digits, so it's been around for a LONG TIME -- almost a thousand registries worth of time -- whatever that is -- and there were absolutely tech advancements during that time. There was just no need to change the SHAPE of the ships. That's like how WW2 ships don't look that different than modern ships today, 100 years later. Why not? Because the basic shape of the hull works and there's little need to change it. Minor tweaks to improve hydrodynamics, that's all. The only times we see radical departures is when adopting wildly new technologies. Kind of like how Transwarp might have.
@@starshipreviews Well, what about Phase II? TMP shows (maybe) a second connie refit. So the miranda class could have started in a kind of Phase II configuration. Never saw the Reliant like this, but that would also be very interesting. At least the soyus class, which kind of looks like miranda refit, had a Phase II like bridge.
The Constitution was not larger. The Miranda is the bigger ship, volume wise. The Connie looks larger, but it’s just increased surface area. 😊It’s pretty safe to assume that the Constitution Class was being phased out at the time of STII, and the Miranda, and Excelsior classes were being phased in.
I'm sure I have an old TOS Star Trek manual somewhere that shows this design to be in service in the TOS era. If I find the book I'll check and update.
IIRC, no. TOS (Matt Jeffries) Tech manual had, in addition to the Connie, the single-nacelle Hermes scout and Saladin destroyer, plus the (proposed?) trireme dreadnaught Federation. TWoK era (Franz Joseph) Tech Manual had Miranda (called Avenger) class, Decatur/Belknap light (Sombra-esque "fast"?) cruisers, and the Ascension trireme dreadnaught. (I say "trireme" to make the distinction between them and the JJ-verse conventional dreadnaught Vengeance). I don't own these books, but had friends who did, and I read them avidly back in the day. IIRC it was FASA that invented the notion of the Anton predessessor of the Miranda, which other have since run with.
I'm not as sure why having some earlier 'Miranda' variants would be a real problem, even amid a proliferation of designs, (I prefer to imagine a pretty big and diverse Starfleet, too, even if there were only so many top of the line explorer starships at various points,) ....The proto-Miranda design could have easily been one out of several spaceframes they had, but it got chosen as the basis for the modern Mirandas and variants.
I think there may be ships which look like the Miranda in service earlier, I like the Anton and Suraya (?) myself but just don’t like the idea of giving the Miranda class specifically a longer service life
I tend to dislike the wonky FASA designs. In my headcanon, I envision the Antons and ALVision1000's Albatross-class as inhabiting the missile frigate/light shuttle-tender role of your beloved chonky-boi Chandleys. It also seems to be a good intermediate step between the likes of Axanar's Magellan-class (which is to say, proto-Antons) or Strange New World's _Farragut_ and a Connie. The Alec Peter designs are also incorporated into my headcanon. IDIC, or in other words, "you do you".
It's not the content creator's fault. The Miranda class has had so many explanations that I just don't care anymore. In fact, I haven't cared since Vonda N. McIntyre first described the Reliant in her abominable adaption of The Wrath of Khan.
EXACTLY the reason and proof that "Miranda" was a loosely cobbled and poorly thought out origin story for the Reliant. The lore of Avenger was already well established and documented in 1983. The fact the "official" canon writers chose to ignore it is all the explanation I need to discount their account as truly fan based fiction, outside of established lore.
My opinion on head canon logic is key , if someone's head canon conflicts with canon ( alpha or beta ) i heard one that directly conflicted with movie and show dialogue and beta xanon sources , and logic, just because of an opinion and choosing to ignore information. ( present a series of reasons why its incorrect or illogical they still stick to head canon )
Avenger Class is not, as you call it, "head canon." It was drawn up and a back story written as early as 1983 by the original Star Trek artists who were involved in the original "Star Fleet Technical Manual" and other products by FASA and remained faithful to the original Franz Joseph designs. This was pre-Internet and to get your hands on these awesome blueprints and drawings was all done through mail order from Starlog Magazine. To say it isn't "true canon" merely because Michael and Denise Okuda don't recognize it as "canon" is doing a huge disservice to the talented artists "back in the day" before anybody with a computer could spread waves of misinformation and outright hubris was an everyday thing. The ones working on Paramount's dime are the ones who are really just making things up and ignoring the work of those who came before them. Turns the whole "Head canon vs. true canon" concept on its head IMHO.
@@Thin447Line no tony that wasn't the head canon i was thinking of , it was something from the undiscovered country, about the Klingons. I was talking about head canon generally.
Even though possible but I don't think the Miranda class existed in TOS they barely had any Constitution classes Kirk said it was only a dozen like her the Enterprise and by the movie era Starfleet would have had to refit all those old Miranda classes why not just make a new class out of constitution class parts🤔
I'm sure they had more than twelve of the hull type, I interpret that statement to mean there were only twelve _at the same refit level,_ the rest were awaiting that upgrade and still looked the way Enterprise did in "The Menagerie", the first TOS pilot episode (no red shirts, gooseneck displays, Bussard Collectors didn't glow and had antennae tips, etc.)
@@starshipreviews Boy, you really are ignorant of readily available facts aren't you? The Avenger Class does have dual navigational deflectors on the ventral aft section of the ship. Just look at the official plans and they are there.
If you read the comment you would see it asked for a dish, which the !Iranian doesn’t have. The ship does have deflectors as that is how trek tech works. Just not in the same highly visual form as the Connie. Please read the comments before you call someone ignorant, not a good look when you charge into something with insults with half the info.
I always figure they were the two unexplained round protrusions on the top side of the saucer (front) section. Split up instead of a single emitter, safety in redundancy, and simply not glowing (maybe more power efficient? After all it didn't glow in TOS!) Glowing deflector emmiters are just "rule of cool" at work.
There was no such thing as a U.S.S. Miranda / Miranda Class. The Reliant as we know it from the movies has a very detailed and well documented back story. It started out as a Surya Class frigate. A spaceframe design borrowed from the original Franz Joseph Ptolemy Class Transport Tug. There were several frigate class ships using the dual nacelle below the primary hull centerline design. Along with the Ptolemy tugs, there was the aforementioned Surya class as well as Coventry and Detroyat classes. The refitted Enterprise was the first ship to employ many new technologies. The Surya class ship U.S.S. Avenger NCC-1860 was the first of these vessels to undergo a major refit to match the now proven upgrades on the new Enterprise. Thus, the new design was christened Avenger Class Heavy Frigate. Reliant was a Surya class ship NCC-1864 that eventually got the same upgrades under the new Avenger Class specifications. "Miranda" was made up by ignorant writers who were obviously unaware of this rich back story. I don't consider it canon, though many may disagree with me. I have all the original blueprints drawn up by the original Star Trek artists dating back to the mid 1980's. All of it predates any "official" mention of the phoney-baloney "Miranda Class." The proof is in the pudding: www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/blueprints/general-plans-uss-avenger-class-sheet-4.jpg
Franz Joseph had great designs that I love and incorporate into my headcanon, and his class lists are a great source of ship _names,_ but when it comes to specific NCC (and class ship) assignments, what he created simply cannot be 100% reconciled with what others (like the Okudas) contributed...contributions that cannot be 100% ignored. Ruin Johnson's and Jar Jar Abrams "contributions" are (literally) a different story. I incorporate much of what you mention (because I'm old enough to have seen it firsthand myself) but I try to take a reconciling stance, and incorporate it into a unified (head)canon, rather that try to warp the existing (and generally agreed-upon) canon to make it fit that 1980's snapshot of what-was.
My take is that Starfleet has had a few basic designs each of which expanded and evolved over time, with NX-01 serving as the fundamental basis of all of them. This is why in the TNG era, the Miranda-class and some of its variants were seen more than once -- at the same time we had almost the same number of sightings of the much larger Nebula-class, which shares the Miranda's same basic configuration. This is similar to the fact that the Excelsior-class and Galaxy-class were occasionally seen together, and both of those classes have the same basic configuration, as well.
So while the Miranda-class may not have existed _by name_ in the TOS era, the immediate predecessor to its design almost certainly did, albeit with a service range significantly less than that of the Constitution-class, which would give us an "out" for why we never saw it canonically during TOS -- because the events of TOS were almost invariably far outside the reach of that class of ship.
I always saw the Miranda as a new ship launched near the time of the TMP Refit era ships ere being designed. And very very few were actually in the TOS configuration save one or two and all others were redesigned for the TMP refit.
I hate to say it, but it's not a theory that can be disputed, but canon information. The USS Reliant, as indicated by the presence of her registry number on charts, was at Starbase 11 during the TOS episode "Court Martial". Her commemorative plaque was also seen in Picard S2 Ep1 "The Star Gazer", revealing that she was commissioned into service in 2264.
Eh registry numbers have been well observed as having little logic behind them so you can’t really rely on it. Otherwise USS Grisholm would have been a late 22nd century starship. They are a topic of a future planned video
WRONG!!! That proves the new Star Trek is not canon in my opinion. The Reliant NCC-1864 was an uprated Surya Class vessel and was officially commissioned as an Avenger Class Heavy Frigate on 22 April 2258. NOTE: There is NO USS MIRANDA to be found in this list! www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/blueprints/general-plans-uss-avenger-class-sheet-3.jpg
@@Thin447Line the first piece of evidence I provided was from The Original Series. I should also note that the class was always known as the Miranda Class before Lower Decks showed one, given that the name dates back to the production of The Next Generation. Now quit acting like a baby because the franchise you like is going in a direction you don’t like.
@@Ty-yt3lj Nope. The Avenger lore was established as early as 1983. It was the idiot Next Gen writers that deviated from established lore and created their own narrative. Since they were on the Paramount payroll at the time, their discombobulated gibberish became "official canon." The franchise IS going in a direction I don't like. Star Trek is dead to me after the horrible "Discovery" series. Everything that deviates from true canon is conveniently shoe-horned in by some techno-babble non-explanation like parallel universes. To ignore established sources of information in the interim years between ToS and TNG is doing a huge disservice to the dedicated content creators of the day. Miranda sucks. Avenger Rules! I don't know anything about so-called evidence that places Reliant NCC-1864 at Starbase 11 on or about Stardate 2947.3. If there is such a reference, it says NOTHING about it being a "Miranda Class" vessel. At that time, it would have been in its original Surya Class configuration before its refit to Avenger Class specifications in April of 2258.
@@Thin447Line you can’t exactly talk about ignoring hard work when you’re ignoring 90% of the franchise in favour of a few lore books from 40 years ago.
Great video. I love the idea of TOS Miranda Class vessels. It makes perfect sense to me and the original Star Fleet Technical Manual has a vessel that is extremely similar.
My head canon is that the Miranda class development led to the refit of the Enterprise, with an improved nacelle design.
I tend to think that the Miranda influenced the constitution refit as well
I do believe in actual canon the Miranda class was meant as a test bed for the refit Connie's tech but proved so useful and versatile that it was put into active service.
Really there isn’t all that much to go on. I tend to assume it introduced a lot of the tech used by star fleet in the 2270s and 80s but like the idea that it was a fully fledged design meant for serial production. Ultimately though whatever your headcanon it’s just as valid.
The Anton Class was before the Miranda and the Miranda Class was in fact a refit like the Constitution refit became the Enterprise Class. I thought that was already established. What do you think?
I've always rather liked the Miranda class.
I always felt one of the less realistic things about the ST Universe is~ I don't think we would send single vessels off into unknown regions alone. I think they would send task force sized fleet. A major ship like Enterprise would be in command of the fleet with five to nine support vessels.
I like to think that the design of the Miranda class is what spurred development of the Constitution refit.
I actually have a similar headcanon. In my mind the Miranda began development in the late 2260s just as the larger Excelsior program got underway, the Miranda developers included the ability to add in trans warp capability if the Excelsior was successful as future proofing, and otherwise developed a whole new generation of technology. When the Excelsior experiences the first of its delays some bright spark at starfleet drew up a new spec constitution using the new parts developed for the Miranda and suggested it as a stopgap heavy cruiser while issues with excelsior were ironed out.
In my headcanon, the Franz Joseph-designed Decatur/Belknap class was the development platform for the flat nacelles (what FASA calls FWG), the Mirandas were the first vessels after that to receive the refit (unibody design being more stable; as we saw in TMP, the flat nacelles still had unresolved issues needing to be ironed out), then the Connies played catch-up. Kirk's inclination to stay out on space (and avoid promotion) means the Enterprise was among the _last_ Connies to get the refit, not the first...which is why the Excelsior project was so close to being finished. Admittedly, the NCC's originally assigned to the Belknaps belie this, but I'm much more comfortable tweaking things that weren't official canon to make them fit canon than the reverse.
The Miranda class was made from the old Anton class. I’ll get up in the federation, recognition manual.
I completely agree with every point raised here
You could say it was a development of the FASA Loknar class if you adopt FAsA Trek.
Ooh there is an idea
I think if you put the TOS Miranda class upside down it looks much better.
Yeah your probably right
Starship Class, Constitution Type -> Excelsior Class
Spacecraft Class, Ptolemy/Farragut Type -> Miranda Class
Scout Class, Saladin Type -> Oberth Class
The Excelsior-Miranda-Oberth era lasted almost a century. While there were outliers like the Galaxy and Ambassador classes, we never see more than a couple of those. And given that a brush with a Miranda could take down a Galaxy, there's really no need for new ships either. These were meant more to show off the opulence of the Federation more than making meaningful improvements on the technology.
I suspect that the Constitution-Ptolemy-Saladin era was also about a century long, putting the original launch of the first Starship class not too long after the NX-01 refit, meaning for at least two centuries, Starfleet never had more than three major designs on the go, and has only has about seven major ship designs. This tacks with reality.
Now, were there variants and subtypes? Sure. The Constellation wasn't half the ship Enterprise was, and the Defiant was even tougher. Known registries on the Starship class got back to the three-digits, so it's been around for a LONG TIME -- almost a thousand registries worth of time -- whatever that is -- and there were absolutely tech advancements during that time.
There was just no need to change the SHAPE of the ships. That's like how WW2 ships don't look that different than modern ships today, 100 years later. Why not? Because the basic shape of the hull works and there's little need to change it. Minor tweaks to improve hydrodynamics, that's all. The only times we see radical departures is when adopting wildly new technologies. Kind of like how Transwarp might have.
One can assume the Miranda Class was in effect by the end of the TOS era, I think.
I tend to think it was introduced in the late 60s yeah and it informed the later Connie refit
@@starshipreviews
Well, what about Phase II?
TMP shows (maybe) a second connie refit.
So the miranda class could have started in a kind of Phase II configuration.
Never saw the Reliant like this, but that would also be very interesting.
At least the soyus class, which kind of looks like miranda refit, had a Phase II like bridge.
The Constitution was not larger. The Miranda is the bigger ship, volume wise. The Connie looks larger, but it’s just increased surface area. 😊It’s pretty safe to assume that the Constitution Class was being phased out at the time of STII, and the Miranda, and Excelsior classes were being phased in.
I'm sure I have an old TOS Star Trek manual somewhere that shows this design to be in service in the TOS era. If I find the book I'll check and update.
Please do
IIRC, no. TOS (Matt Jeffries) Tech manual had, in addition to the Connie, the single-nacelle Hermes scout and Saladin destroyer, plus the (proposed?) trireme dreadnaught Federation. TWoK era (Franz Joseph) Tech Manual had Miranda (called Avenger) class, Decatur/Belknap light (Sombra-esque "fast"?) cruisers, and the Ascension trireme dreadnaught. (I say "trireme" to make the distinction between them and the JJ-verse conventional dreadnaught Vengeance). I don't own these books, but had friends who did, and I read them avidly back in the day. IIRC it was FASA that invented the notion of the Anton predessessor of the Miranda, which other have since run with.
@@xheralt Starfleet Battles had a TOS version of the Miranda class designated as NCL(New Light Cruiser).
I'm not as sure why having some earlier 'Miranda' variants would be a real problem, even amid a proliferation of designs, (I prefer to imagine a pretty big and diverse Starfleet, too, even if there were only so many top of the line explorer starships at various points,) ....The proto-Miranda design could have easily been one out of several spaceframes they had, but it got chosen as the basis for the modern Mirandas and variants.
I think there may be ships which look like the Miranda in service earlier, I like the Anton and Suraya (?) myself but just don’t like the idea of giving the Miranda class specifically a longer service life
I tend to dislike the wonky FASA designs. In my headcanon, I envision the Antons and ALVision1000's Albatross-class as inhabiting the missile frigate/light shuttle-tender role of your beloved chonky-boi Chandleys. It also seems to be a good intermediate step between the likes of Axanar's Magellan-class (which is to say, proto-Antons) or Strange New World's _Farragut_ and a Connie. The Alec Peter designs are also incorporated into my headcanon. IDIC, or in other words, "you do you".
It's not the content creator's fault. The Miranda class has had so many explanations that I just don't care anymore. In fact, I haven't cared since Vonda N. McIntyre first described the Reliant in her abominable adaption of The Wrath of Khan.
Ha memories of bad reading unlocked
EXACTLY the reason and proof that "Miranda" was a loosely cobbled and poorly thought out origin story for the Reliant. The lore of Avenger was already well established and documented in 1983. The fact the "official" canon writers chose to ignore it is all the explanation I need to discount their account as truly fan based fiction, outside of established lore.
The official canon writers didn’t want to be stuck with already established lore. Like it or hate it Miranda is official
it came into commission when wrath of khan was written..
Around that time probably
USS Reliant NCC-1864 space-keel laid down: 8 JUNE 2256 / commissioned 22 APRIL 2258 / Starfleet Division, Baltic Yards, Leningrad, Earth.
Thanks buddy
My opinion on head canon logic is key , if someone's head canon conflicts with canon ( alpha or beta ) i heard one that directly conflicted with movie and show dialogue and beta xanon sources , and logic, just because of an opinion and choosing to ignore information. ( present a series of reasons why its incorrect or illogical they still stick to head canon )
Avenger Class is not, as you call it, "head canon." It was drawn up and a back story written as early as 1983 by the original Star Trek artists who were involved in the original "Star Fleet Technical Manual" and other products by FASA and remained faithful to the original Franz Joseph designs. This was pre-Internet and to get your hands on these awesome blueprints and drawings was all done through mail order from Starlog Magazine. To say it isn't "true canon" merely because Michael and Denise Okuda don't recognize it as "canon" is doing a huge disservice to the talented artists "back in the day" before anybody with a computer could spread waves of misinformation and outright hubris was an everyday thing. The ones working on Paramount's dime are the ones who are really just making things up and ignoring the work of those who came before them. Turns the whole "Head canon vs. true canon" concept on its head IMHO.
@@Thin447Line no tony that wasn't the head canon i was thinking of , it was something from the undiscovered country, about the Klingons. I was talking about head canon generally.
Oh, nice!
Even though possible but I don't think the Miranda class existed in TOS they barely had any Constitution classes Kirk said it was only a dozen like her the Enterprise and by the movie era Starfleet would have had to refit all those old Miranda classes why not just make a new class out of constitution class parts🤔
I'm sure they had more than twelve of the hull type, I interpret that statement to mean there were only twelve _at the same refit level,_ the rest were awaiting that upgrade and still looked the way Enterprise did in "The Menagerie", the first TOS pilot episode (no red shirts, gooseneck displays, Bussard Collectors didn't glow and had antennae tips, etc.)
👍👏
Where's the deflector dish??
It’s one of many starfleet ships which don’t have one
@@starshipreviews Boy, you really are ignorant of readily available facts aren't you? The Avenger Class does have dual navigational deflectors on the ventral aft section of the ship. Just look at the official plans and they are there.
If you read the comment you would see it asked for a dish, which the !Iranian doesn’t have. The ship does have deflectors as that is how trek tech works. Just not in the same highly visual form as the Connie. Please read the comments before you call someone ignorant, not a good look when you charge into something with insults with half the info.
I always figure they were the two unexplained round protrusions on the top side of the saucer (front) section. Split up instead of a single emitter, safety in redundancy, and simply not glowing (maybe more power efficient? After all it didn't glow in TOS!) Glowing deflector emmiters are just "rule of cool" at work.
I would say not .
There was no such thing as a U.S.S. Miranda / Miranda Class. The Reliant as we know it from the movies has a very detailed and well documented back story. It started out as a Surya Class frigate. A spaceframe design borrowed from the original Franz Joseph Ptolemy Class Transport Tug. There were several frigate class ships using the dual nacelle below the primary hull centerline design. Along with the Ptolemy tugs, there was the aforementioned Surya class as well as Coventry and Detroyat classes. The refitted Enterprise was the first ship to employ many new technologies. The Surya class ship U.S.S. Avenger NCC-1860 was the first of these vessels to undergo a major refit to match the now proven upgrades on the new Enterprise. Thus, the new design was christened Avenger Class Heavy Frigate. Reliant was a Surya class ship NCC-1864 that eventually got the same upgrades under the new Avenger Class specifications. "Miranda" was made up by ignorant writers who were obviously unaware of this rich back story. I don't consider it canon, though many may disagree with me. I have all the original blueprints drawn up by the original Star Trek artists dating back to the mid 1980's. All of it predates any "official" mention of the phoney-baloney "Miranda Class." The proof is in the pudding: www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/blueprints/general-plans-uss-avenger-class-sheet-4.jpg
Original Surya Class plans: www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/blueprints/general-plans-uss-avenger-class-sheet-6.jpg
has it ever occurred to you that you're simply wrong and have failed to say a single bit of information that's currently recognised as correct.
Franz Joseph had great designs that I love and incorporate into my headcanon, and his class lists are a great source of ship _names,_ but when it comes to specific NCC (and class ship) assignments, what he created simply cannot be 100% reconciled with what others (like the Okudas) contributed...contributions that cannot be 100% ignored. Ruin Johnson's and Jar Jar Abrams "contributions" are (literally) a different story. I incorporate much of what you mention (because I'm old enough to have seen it firsthand myself) but I try to take a reconciling stance, and incorporate it into a unified (head)canon, rather that try to warp the existing (and generally agreed-upon) canon to make it fit that 1980's snapshot of what-was.
The Miranda Class is viable as a light cruiser to compliment the Constitution Class heavy cruiser
It’s it is